/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11229336

This is a post courtesy of Larry Pee the Faptimist.

You're welcome.

>>11229336
That’s a cool idea.

>>11229336
then what are the quarks, covalent bonds, etc. in each atom ‘galaxy’
not tryna undermine your theory but like just curious

>>11229336
You cannot measure the spin state.
That is a lie.
If you can measure the spin state of a "photon" how is it done?
This theory is deeply flawed because it relies on theoretical machines we don't have yet.
So it cannot be proven until verified with an actual apparatus.
This is an idea. It's very cool though, nice work :)

>>11229336
back to r/holofractal/

your kind is not welcome here, stoner

>drops acid once
why are retards so obsessed with fractals?

>>11229336
i believe this OP

>>11229443
probably because looking at pictures is like the peak of their thought process

>>11229391

not just cool. its true.

>>11229399

go look at a galaxy picture. see the spiral arms and how they make rings? literally electron shells.

>>11229404

not stoned. and this is not holofractal.

why are you so afraid?

Whats more We are fractals.

When you die you reach this base state and all you experience is a distorted sort of noise thats indecipherable but sounds like all language mixed into 7 syllables stuck on repeat while you "see" flesh colored nothingness...not black. This is God...you. Before the bigbang. Then you are stuck until milenia pass and earth is formed and you're born again.

>>11229460

we could show you this fractal in a literal unified physics engine and you still would not believe. such is the life of a sheep only knowing what it is told by other sheep. its sheep all the way down. thats the flaw in your social modality.

>>11229473
Stuck in that loop.*

>>11229336

>>11229470
>not stoned
>>11229473
oh really? lsd then?

The spiral arms are equivalent to electron shells. Literally the same thing at different scales of reality.

>>11229474
oh great argument nassim. go to conspiracy theories, very smart tactic. the guys on >>>/x/ and >>>/pol/ are super redpilled on science-is-a-conspiracy stuff, maybe go there

>>11229476

Im OP and this is 100% accurate. We can even computationally simulate it, and we have.

>>11229481

Why do these thoughts make you so angry?

I know why. But do you?

>>11229477

No. I'm sober.

But I'm free.

>>11229473

I don't know about that... but I do suspect that it is impossible to be nonexistant. We are in a loop.

>>11229336
The Universe is fractal.
wtf does that even mean? It's a geometrical figure? Of what though?

>Time changes at different scales based on the only constant, the speed of light.
>believing light has a speed
According to your own theory "speed" wouldn't even be part of the equation. How fast is what going? Toward what? How would geometrical in which each part is still part of the "whole" have a "speed"? It's growth and would have to be induced by something that is obviously not that geometrical figure.

>This is why subatomic particles have spin measured at many times the speed of light (google it, it's true). Its because time is literally accelerated the smaller you go.

There is literally no empirical evidence of a "particle" photon or otherwise. "Spin" tells me what something does not what it is. You refer to atoms and the universe being the "same" yet you can only tell me why in terms of what they DO and how similar they are to it, yet it is obvious that it is not the exact same. It would be like calling an "arm" a "human" just because it has similar components and is made of the same stuff, or a "wheel" the same as the axle. An "arm" does nothing on its own, a human makes the arm do something specific. A "wheel" does nothing on its own, an axle makes it do something more specific.

>This is absolutely be an established fact 100 to 200 years from now.
>This is a rehashed theory from 2000-5000 years ago

I thought I was still on /x/ reading this gobbledygook

>Basically, our galaxy is an atom for larger scales
whoa dude dmt joe rogan end of men in black

spiral arms of galaxies don't have wave particle duality. thats the old meme model of the atom where the electron 'orbits' the nucleus

>>11229336
>subatomic particles have spin measured at many times the speed of light (google it, it's true).
If this is true, im convinced.

>>11229399
Probably just polarised fields being emitted from the centre (super massive/micro back holes); at our scale we perceive these "fields" to be dark energy of different kinds (most are currently invisible to our instruments).

>>11229512
>spiral arms of galaxies don't have wave particle duality
LOL, they literally do, look:

>view a galaxy from above
>speed it up such that the "galactic arms" are moving/spinning at the speed of light
>"stars"
>"arms"
particle/wave duality created.

>>11229579

Completely true. Subatomic particles have measured spin as high as a million times faster than light. Physicists hand wave it away as a flaw in their measuring instruments. Its not.

Time literally accellerates the deeper you go because time is simply a measurement of movement through space, and the opposite is also true, larger scales are moving slower through time.

>>11229591

Absolutely BTFO

Jesus what a killshot

The reason why atoms have 2 electrons in the first orbital is because those are the 2 connecting spiral arms. Other orbitals are simply measuring how many times the instrument detects a passing arm during a rotation.

>>11229610

Its like comparing a human to a housefly.

A human can outrun a housefly, so a human is FASTER, but a housefly is QUICKER and difficult to swat.

Even though the spin of subatomic particles is faster than light, it would not beat light in a "race" the spin is simply occuring at a MUCH smaller scale that experiences an accelerated time comparable to our scale.

>>11229624

It you were to scale up that housefly to our size, it would be zipping about at hundreds of miles per hour, but its small, and so even though the fly is remarkably quick, its not covering much ground relative to our scale of reality.

>>11229399
>not tryna undermine your theory
not science then

This is all Optimum Theory, fyi.

I'm not Gary. Like I said, I'm Larry. But this is all from the theory.

>>11229591
except galactic arms arent superpositions that can suddenly be expressed as a single particle when observed, or anything analogous to that.

>>11229614
being so retarded you think that was a convincing argument

Galaxy plume

>>11229645

So do atoms.

bro what if like the really big stuff was actually the really small stuff if an even bigger universe, and then its universes all the way up? wouldnt that be crazy man

genius science'ing

>>11229637
>except galactic arms arent superpositions that can suddenly be expressed as a single particle when observed, or anything analogous to that.

Uncertainty principle is an artifact of hidden information.

>>11229649

Its true. Its been computationally modelled. Universe is like a fractal. As above, so below.

>>11229648
holy shit youve cracked the code. and guess what, tires and donuts are the same thing as well. go ahead and take a bite of some michelin.
It's not like similar geometry can be found in different things in the universe.

>>11229650
good thing i was talking about the observer effect, but go ahead and show us a galactic double slit experiment.
>>11229653
the flat earth has also been "computationally modeled" in that theres a model of it somewhere on a computer, doesnt make it true.

thats enough stoner bs for one day

>>11229637 clearly doesn't understand >>11229591

>>11229655
You failed to realise the important fact that we currently have no unified system that shows why certain structures and forms should exist at the extremes, we've had to use different and mutually exclusive systems (special and general relativity) to explain this.

OP is definitely onto something.

>>11229404
>critics being cunts are the reason we're stuck in the least fulfilling age of human history
I fucking knew it.

>>11229684
Imagination is also lacking for some.
Allegiance to the apparent strictness of science is also a limitation.

>>11229336
how can we take advantage of this new information?

>>11229684
>>11229693
>anybody who says stoner ideas is an evil dogmatist
>hurr durr stoner ideas are so enlightened, cough cough

>>11229669

Putting a massive body near an atomic "arm" is going to attract all the subatomic particles into a ball through

>>11229698
>Putting a massive body near an atomic "arm" is going to attract all the subatomic particles into a ball

Imagine if a giant the size of the observable Universe stuck an instrument needle bigger than a galaxy near a galactic arm, all the stars and planets would attract to it through gravitational forces and it would destroy the entire galactic system.

>>11229675
>OP is definitely on something.
FTFY

>>11229695

the best future is below not above. We should shrink, not grow. Trillions of minds on microprocessors, and then smaller still until we reach the quantum realm. We should be tethering ourself into DEPTH not scope.

The other take away is that whatever we find in those depths will have a headstart and could be ridiculously advanced due to the time accelleration effect... so maybe not...

.. on the other hand there will be less... in fact perhaps zero, competion expanding into galactic scope since larger scales will be less advanced than us, in theory

Its a trade off, so who the fuck knows.

I will say that simply realizing this effect exists, the time acceleration effect, so much more of existance makes sense. The effect holds true even at relatively macrolevels. Whales can live to be over 200 years old, us 100, dogs 30, flies live for a week, bacteria live for a day. Its literally because physics is tied to scale. And scale is tied to time.

>>11229724
sick dude, but stop hogging that blunt bro! pass that shit mannn

>>11229693

Exactly. Imagine explaining germ theory to someone 300 years ago who was completely convinced that disease was caused by the devil.

Imagine how completely insane you would sound ranting about billions of little creatures crawling on your skin, and how even the human body is made out of them, how the human body is just a hive of trillions of smaller creatures. They would actually burn you alive for talking like that.

>>11229614
>Jesus what a killshot
Go on ...please.
I'm the annon that experienced death in a mxe loop and I do believe he taught metaphysics

>>11229404
always amazed me how quick sci and lit jump to calling people who know little about science or just dont agree with there highly subjective/unprovable theories stoners, its almost as if the academic field has to feel superior in ever sense that they regress to the puritan ideals of "life with hardwork and no fun is the only ideal, its what makes us better than the simpletons" when in fact it just makes you as boring as the 40 yr old welder who gets off work and pounds a couple of beers while watching reality tv. only difference is you talk about something most people give two shits about and are to pompous to realize it

>>11229336
I wish this was true, because it adds a sort of whimsical intrigue to the concept of existence. Unfortunately, there is next to nothing to back this up factually.

>>11229391
which he stole from men in black

>>11229336
>This is why subatomic particles have spin measured at many times the speed of light (google it, it's true). Its because time is literally accellerated the smaller you go.
oh it's you again. subatomic particles (fields) don't have literal spin because rotation doesn't exist at that scale.

Don't know how sci can say God isn't real when his existence has already been proven by quantum mechanics

>>11229336
this is common knowledge, that's how rick's car battery works, silly

>>11229336
>>11229988

seriously though op, watch this if you haven't

https://www.wcostream.com/rick-and-morty-season-2-episode-6-the-ricks-must-be-crazy

what the fuck even is a fractal and why should I care that the universe is one

>>11230015
Infinite and changing in all directions and dimensions, yet stable.

>>11230015

If the universe is a fractal, you don't need to analyze everthing through reductionism since the structures and mechanics repeat in every level, and both things are a huge pillar of the scientific method today.

>>11229336
Woah such knowledge and profoundity, how long it took you to think that through? Very glad you have decided to share your knowledge

>>11229728
>Quick, accuse him of using drugs, I have nothing else to contribute with

>>11229336
based schizo, keep going

>>11229336
Things you clearly know nothing about:
* atoms
* galaxies
* fractals
* spin
* wave-particle duality

Literally everything you have said in this thread is wrong at best, nonsense otherwise. Take your meds and gtfo.

http://www.sci-news.com/astronomy/science-fractal-patterns-rr-lyrae-variable-stars-02475.html
This is a recent example. Fractal but also the golden mean.

>The unprecedented light curves of the Kepler space telescope document how the brightness of some stars pulsates at primary and secondary frequencies whose ratios are near the golden mean, the most irrational number.

>>11229336
so how fast does a photon cross an atomic galaxy?

>>11229931
>oh it's you again. subatomic particles (fields) don't have literal spin because rotation doesn't exist at that scale.

Like I said, thats just what they say to explain away the fact that spin is faster than light.

>>11230102
>If the universe is a fractal, you don't need to analyze everthing through reductionism since the structures and mechanics repeat in every level, and both things are a huge pillar of the scientific method today.

You think, sillyhead? You mean we could just computationally simulate the universe? But then how will the EU convince voters to spend 20 billion on a new collider?

>>11230214
>Literally everything you have said in this thread is wrong at best, nonsense otherwise. Take your meds and gtfo.

Look at how angry you are getting. Imagine how mad you would get if physics was so simple that it could be taught to a five year old over breakfast fter you spent $200,000 and 8 years on a degree.

>>11230515
>so how fast does a photon cross an atomic galaxy?

Extremely fast, which is why time is accellerated on that scale. Everything is smaller and happens quicker. The only constant is the speed of light, its like a universal drumbeat.

>>11230537
>>>11230515 #
>>so how fast does a photon cross an atomic galaxy?
>Extremely fast, which is why time is accellerated on that scale. Everything is smaller and happens quicker. The only constant is the speed of light, its like a universal drumbeat

The Universe has no smallest unit. Everything is smaller, just faster, like shrinking a film and watching it all happen in fast forward.

>>11229474
BAA BAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH BA BA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

MAH SHEEPOLE

2012

>>11229336
Kind of.

Heaven is the Sun & “God” is just the collective of all stars, who themselves are each a collective all of their planets harvested, sentient entities of love. This “collective of collectives” co-creates reality for each other. All love.

Reality is an infinite, negentropic, holofractal Lorenz system.

Heaven & Hell, forever. Light never dies.

Every star is a sentient collective. Every star is a heaven unto itself. If you love in this toughest of dimensions, you get harvested into heaven when you die, where you live forever with your family and everything you loved in this life and it is beautiful forever.

The Egyptians called the “as above, so below” phenomenon correspondence. In this density, you can notice correspondences by picking up on what Jung called synchronicities.

Heaven changes and gets better as it orthogonally twists up into higher dimensions forever, outside of time, etc. You traverse the universe as sentient light and who knows what else.

>>11230524
Nah, it's what I say personally. Your silly little fractal math fantasy theory you stole from mib doesn't make sense irl. and don't bother replying, discussing this would be an utter waste of time.

>>11230594
few questions.

1) WHy is this existance so shitty and miserable?

2) What is the meaning of synchronicites and coinsidences? what do they mean when u notice them?

3) what about the people who are bad in this life like the elites who sacrifice ppl? where do they go?

4) do people that commit bad shit get accounted for their crimes against humanity when they die?

>>11229479
>The spiral arms are equivalent to electron shells
Are you telling me that planets and stars are actually in several places simultaneously and it is physically impossible to know where one is and how fast its going? Wow!

Or maybe you should open a highschool physics book and realise orbital have nothing to do with planetary orbits, even if they appear to have similarly sounding names.

>>11230532
Angry? I'm merely treating your ideas with the respect they deserve.

>>11229336
"Fractal"

Scalar.

>>11229717
Best post itt

>>11230537
What the fuck
>everything is faster at smaller scales
>except the speed of light, which is constant in all scales
These are mutually exclusive

>>11230650
1) You can blame your circumstances on a few things: your mentality, your DNA/family, your upbringing, the people you choose to associate with, the ideas/philosophies you subscribe to. Achieving your dreams is possible, but you need to be going after the right things (passion, love).

2) They are like signposts that you getting closer to being in the reins of your life/fate. People normally just get swept away by the will of others.

3) HELL, light never dies.

4) Yes, they either go to HELL or their DNA/light body gets completely disintegrated (that's what the weighing of the feather/soul ceremony was about in Ancient Egypt).

>>11230701
Also:

Human consciousness is a self-similar reflection of the day-night cycle of Earth. The active conscious mind, just like the Sun, outshines all subconscious influences. Those subconscious influences are always present, however, just as the infinitude of stars are always in the sky, whether we can see them or not. When sleep approaches, the conscious mind slips below the horizon, and the variegated influence of a distributed infinity dominates.

Think of the mind as having a primary locus (consciousness) with an infinitude of secondary, subconscious influencers, of varying magnitude.

All is one; your mind reflects the consciousness of every star whose light touches it.

A corollary to this is that you as an sentient entity, are present in the minds of everyone you know as a subconscious influencer. All of humanity is linked in this way because we are all one.

>>11230741
The reason there's a distinction between the demiurgic physical and higher spiritual planes is because the universe needs a great filter, a great test of mettle.

Is gnosticism a manifestation of one's dismay of being born into a hellscape of other people's love?

Can the ignorant/malevolent characterization of the demiurge be derived from the unsettled, unloving nature of one's own parents? Why did they craft this physical existence for you if they did not love themselves?

Does this disequilibrium explain the perverse, endless, scientific searching of the void for meaning?

It was right in front of one's face the whole time: family.

>>11230751
The higher densities are outside/above time. All of your experiences (on Earth and forevermore) are captured holographically in the Akashic records for you and your family to view and interact with eternally. Those are kind of like home videos for your family, who live in paradise with all sorts of beautiful correspondences from your time on Earth.

Field of Reeds, Valhalla, Heaven, Elysian fields - all the same thing - the Sun. It's all about family.

Heaven is the Sun and we evolved from Lions

Physicist here, two things looking similar because both approximately follow 1/r^2 laws (in case of the atom only in the sense of expectation values and in case of the galaxies in the limit of Newton Ian gravitation) don't make them the same.
Please read some actual physics and drop the popsci.

>>11230763
Science is very Jew-y and very Evil

The reason no physical aliens have visited Earth is twofold:
1) Sentient entities first live a life in this 3D density, if they are good and pure love, they get harvested into their nearest star (their heaven); they then travel the universe as sentient light forever (p.s. it's amazing). The idea of traveling from one star system to another as a 3D density creature is laughable. I'm sure it's been done though.
2) There is a non-intervention policy among the stars and their respective planets. Each planet is a "planned net" of love, by love, for love.

Matter & Pattern
Mater & Pater
Mother & Father

>>>/x/23940821

>>11230660

Uncertainty principle is simply incomplete information.

Good luck tracking the exact path of stars in a galaxy the size of an atom.

>>11230664

What makes you think that your ideas deserve respect? Your michelson morely experiment is effortlessly disproven, and thats just the tip.

>>11230682
>What the fuck
>>everything is faster at smaller scales
>>except the speed of light, which is constant in all scales
>These are mutually exclusive

No, because you are confusing distance traveled with something more akin to quickness.

What happens at smaller scales is happen quicker but covering less distance. Its like comparing a fly to a human. Scale up a fly and it would be as fast as a jet.

>>11230766
>Physicist here

Ah, so someone who hasnt been able to integrate Einsteins theories with the standard model and who uses Michelson Morley to disprove an incommeasurable "aether" even though the experiment is effortless proven bogus.

what about this, it talks about travelling far from Earth would extend your lifespan, relative to Earth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light#Possible_distance_away_from_Earth

>>11230812

Of course riding a light beam would slow down time according to this scale theory. What is light? Its just an expansion of energy into larger scale. That is why light radiates OUTWARD. Something that seems so natural that we rarely question it. Why does light expand outward? Light at the most fundamental level is expanding energy. As it expands in scale it also slows in relative time. And the inverse is also true. Negative energy that contracts accelerates into time from our perspective as it contracts into depth, a la a black hole.

>>11231220
>Of course riding a light beam would slow down time according to this scale theory. What is light? Its just an expansion of energy into larger scale. That is why light radiates OUTWARD. Something that seems so natural that we rarely question it. Why does light expand outward? Light at the most fundamental level is expanding energy. As it expands in scale it also slows in relative time. And the inverse is also true. Negative energy that contracts accelerates into time from our perspective as it contracts into depth, a la a black hole.

And to continue, all the while the speed of light is unchanged. Light speed is the Universe's drum beat. It is the constant by which everything else is measured against. Every scale has its own "light speed" and yet it is always the same. When you see this concept graphed out its incredibly intuitive, something you cannot unsee. The universe is infinite in scope and depth. Our scale of reality is faster than larger scales but slower than smaller scales, and every scale is sandwhich like this with light speed acting as the conversion factor.

>>11229895

Based

>>11229336
scale isnt the 5th dimension the universe is just basically smoke 4th and 5th dimensions are both pertanant to time and things changing in time

>>11229675
have you ever poured liquid into a container

>>11232127
dimension literally means scale you absolute piss brain

Intrinsically, the force which dominates on the scale of galaxies is gravity and electricity for atoms. One requires that this smaller universe be governed by electricity in place of gravity, which makes no sense given how there are negatives and positives. The spiral arms of a galaxy attract each other -- the shells of an atom repel. No such isomorphism is possible.

>>11232135
>have you ever poured liquid into a container

What does that have to do with anything?

>>11232179

Gravity is infinitely scalable. We can model this conputationally and integrate it with the other forces. Gravity is simply mass averaging toward other mass, it occurs at all scales of reality. Why dont planets repel at proximity like particles do? You could make an argument that they do, you dont see the moon crashing into Earth, do you?

>>11230781
previously you said spin goes much faster than speed of light at macroscopic scales hehehe. you dun goofd retard.

looks like OP read the kybalion

>>11232318

No, it's just difficult to explain this concept in words. I will draw a diagram and show you. give me a sec...

>>11229336
does this mean there is life after death?

Who wants to bet that distribution of galactic star clusters is approximately the same as electron orbital shells?

>>11232318
>>11232328

>>11232342
>>11232318
>previously you said spin goes much faster than speed of light at macroscopic scales hehehe. you dun goofd retard.
>>11232328

Now, remember that I said the Universe is "fractal". The laws are the same at every scale, only time is different because time is a measure of motion through space.

Okay, now imagine that the Universe is a an infinitely fractionable grid. I have shown 3 layers of dimention here in the center grid. Imagine the middle layer is where our galaxy is. Now light is the same speed everywhere, in every scale. In our scale a particle completes 1 rotation everytime light crosses each grid cell, HOWEVER because the scale above us is bigger BUT LIGHT IS STILL THE SAME SPEED a particle rotation occures everytime light crosses THREE cells of our scale; time is slower at larger scale because time is relative and can only be measured by movement through space (such as by measuring the rotation of particles). Okay, now what about the smallest scale in this diagram? Well at the smallest scale, particles rotate THREE TIMES for everytime light crosses a cell at our scale. Time is accellerated, again because time is relative and can only be measured by movement through space!

Make sense now?

>>11232357

... now to complete the thought, you might wonder why particle rotation would be tied to light speed at all? Well, it's because every is moving at light speed. EVERYTHING. It might not seem like it, but ever the atomes in your body are moving, rotating, radiation, vibrating at exactly the speed of light. Like I said, Light speed is the Universe's drum beat.

This is all "Optimum Theory" if you were wondering. I just ganked it all from their website. Maybe they ganked if from Men in Black. I don't know. But it's better than another IQ thread.

This thread makes me believe that the average poster here is 12 with the mental capabilities of an 8 year old.
I refuse to believe that anyone here has an iq bigger than 80.
Op has to be a dude who picked up an high school physics textbook before tripping on LSD.
So much stuff mushed together in a way that a stranger too those topics might believe it to be somewhat credible.
This is either a high iq troll or extremely stupid and a display of utter brainletism.

>>11230029
>>11230102
what

>>11232274
happens

>>11232334

All I know is that

1) the Universe is indivisible, and so it is one single unbroken THING, including you.

2) Conciousness is emergent through perfect logic. Simply, a "being" with your senses will actually sense in accordance with perfect logic.

3) the odds of you existing are literally zero. Not a small number. Actually zero. This is because in an infinite Universe there is infinite life and so the odds you would be you are 1 / infinity. Literally incalculable. The only conclusion I can then reach is that you are ALL life (see point 1), and therefore infinity divided by infinity equals ONE.

Conclusion, "we" are the indivisible universe come to life. You have, and will always, be alive, for all time, in infinite forms. This is not reincarnation. This is something deeper than that. I dont know what to call it. Some kind of cycle. I dont know. But you "we" are everything simultaneously. I truly believe this, fyi, and I live it. Made me much more compassionate.