/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11228684
>I think this image speaks for itself
The battlecry of the /pol/tard.

>>11228684
>no consideration for climate differences
>no consideration for load

>>11228684
More like politicians arrived.

>>11228689
>implying politicians weren't involved in making the roads of the past

>>11228684
Fuck off, go back to /pol/

>>11228684

Those roads on the above picture would easily crumble under the weight of daily traffic though, they weren't built for vehicle use

>>11228688
I think the most relevant factors here are efficiency, distance, and cost

>>11228717
That shows your lack of understanding of Roman road usage and construction. Some of those roads have 2200 years of vehicle use and are still going strong. No, you can't drive 75 on a wet day on one but you absolutely can haul goods in a box truck on one. This is ignoring the hundreds of miles of Roman roadbeds that have served as the substrate for further road construction.

>>11228765
See, that sounds fantastic!

Doesn't fall apart all the time, and people will go at a reasonable pace so that pedestrians (human beings!) can walk around and live safely in the presence of vehicles (machines!).

>>11228765
>Some of those roads have 2200 years of vehicle use and are still going strong.
Prove it.

>>11228765
>2200 years of vehicle use
>the earliest car was built in the 1600s

>>11228773
Roman bridge in Salamanca, Spain that people still use.

>>11228765
>horse and buggy is the same as an 18 wheeler

>>11228687
No redditor, people like OP belong to /x/.

>>11228776
>chariots and the like aren't vehicles

>>11228782

>>11228777
>The bridge has been restored on numerous occasions
Nice try.

>>11228777
That's not a real picture, it's CGI. The 3D modeling program put its watermark on it when it was exported.

>>11228684
>>11228689
>More like politicians arrived.

Exactly. Build it cheap and don't care about tomorrow. Rome lasted a long time because people cared about the future. When did they stop caring about the future? When the christians started telling everyone that judgement day would be in their lifetimes. In a way, it was a self fulfilling prophecy.

>>11228803
>When did they stop caring about the future? When the christians started telling everyone that judgement day would be in their lifetimes.
Fuark we need to convert everyone to Hinduism or some shit

>>11228808
>Fuark we need to convert everyone to Hinduism or some shit

THOR is my savior! (Also thorium reactors.)

>>11228820
A perfect match!

Engineer without a single degree here, should I design the road of the 22nd century?

>>11228684
>I think this image speaks for itself
The image that has text embedded in it?

>>11228773
I POSTED a picture of one of these in-use roads.

>>11228864
SOLAR FREAKING ROADWAYS

>>11228803
A big part of Roman engineering was that its elites felt a definitive sense of ownership over space. I mean that literally, a Patrician was essentially a small king who was lord and master over a patch of space, with the legal right to just outright execute anyone on that patch of space that he pleased. Romans as a whole had this idea that a Roman as just allowed to do whatever he wanted as long as it benefited Rome and his society as a whole would back him up. You see Romans just want to put down a road between two spaces, for some utilitarian purpose or just for shits and giggles, and the government just fucking does it, in many instances actually putting the guy in charge of it because he clearly knew the area best.

Can you imagine that? A government not only acting in its people's interest, but even giving a shit what they personally want? I genuinely cannot.

>>11228914

>>11228765
The relationship between vehicle weight and road wear isn't linear. That thing would be toast after a year of loaded box trucks. Never mind actual freight shipping trucks.

>>11228986
Yeah but it could have
1. been built or rebuilt since
2. not had 2000 years of vehicle traffic

You can claim your grandmother is 300 years old and show me a picture of her but that doesn't make it not bullshit.

>>11228803

This, essentially.

Christianity (which is really just Judaism with a shiny gloss), fucked the world by convincing us that we are evil and need direction from a "higher power". We arent and we dont. We are good and perfectly capable of self organization a la ancient Greece / Rome. Self organization is the key to happiness and a healthy society, and is why Rome lasted for thousands of years until the Christians (aka, Jews in disguise) appeared. Christianity (Judaism) is essentially facism. The Roman's thrived because they embraced decentralization and personal liberty.

>>11229255
This.

>>11229255
Based Pharisees getting revenge on Rome by crafting a mind virus

>>11228684
>I think this image speaks for itself
You must be at least 18 to post here.

>>11228808

No. See, thats still shit thinking, having everyone be the same thing.

The Romans were free to invent their own Gods, it was a marketplace of ideas, and the competition was self optimizing.

Americans have allowed this JudeoChristian bullshit to be a slave chain around them, preventing them from exploring better modalities of being.

>>11228684
You mean shitty roads with stones sticking out you tumble over and that can only sustain the load of some shitty peasant carraige?
European here, I know what shitty old roads are like.

>>11228684
The cobblestone road is already "fragmented" since it consists of many flat rocks, so it won't break under stress as a conventional road would. It also allows for greater drainage rather than water getting absorbed and trapped within it for days and weeks at a time.

>>11229290
So you're saying they're better. I think we are in agreement.

>>11229270
>The Romans were free to invent their own Gods, it was a marketplace of ideas, and the competition was self optimizing.
Unfortunately the Christfags overtook the other ones in this case. How would we stop it from happening again?

>>11228778
>10,000 marching Legionnaires, baggage train, whores and Equites daily
>forever
>plus daily civilian and cargo
>aren't hard on roads
Nice post.

>>11228684
I bet if you drove fully loaded tractor trailers over them in every weather pattern, then they wouldn’t look that great.

>>11228684
One was made by a near endless supply of cheap labor and slaves.

The other was made by whomever was the cheapest during a bidding war.

>>11229444
>One was made by a near endless supply of cheap labor and slaves.
This is obviously not reproducible, maybe in the future with robots.

>The other was made by whomever was the cheapest during a bidding war.
But this is unacceptable. Why can we not just spend money ahead of time to invest in reliable infrastructure?

>>11229450
>Why can we not just spend money ahead of time to invest in reliable infrastructure?
1. people hate taxes because
2. governments often don't spend for the people or
3. when they do the benefits are diffuse and hard to recognize.

>>11229457
It's a painful negative feedback loop, but we need to break it somehow.

>>11228684
That trucks are much more damaging to roads than any normal human being?

>>11229498
Who else will repair the roads?

>>11228684
now take into consideration how many and how quickly the ones below have to build roads compared to the ones above

>>11229517
Now consider how much time they spend re-building the roads over and over again instead of making them right the first time!

>>11229498
>>11228684
Lol you guys will be dead in 20 or so years anyway of old age so fuck off.

>>11228684
>2000 years ago: FOR THE GLORY OF ROME!!!
>Now: Nationalism is kinda bad, and fuck those guys over there. Whats my motivation to put any effort into this?

>>11229450
But then how are the contractors supposed to pay off their buddies in office for continuous repeat business? Think about the implications you'll have by doing it right the first time. There's so much money left on the table.

>>11229547
>But then how are the contractors supposed to pay off their buddies in office for continuous repeat business? Think about the implications you'll have by doing it right the first time. There's so much money left on the table.
This angers me so much. I am leaving my job in software to work in government infrastructure to try to fix my city and then my state, and I will hire goons to beat these subcontractors up if necessary.

>>11228684
>stone roads designed for roman carriages and heavy transport with a total weight under 0.75 tons
>asphalt roads designed for up to 40 ton trucks
>>11229661
>why can't we maintain our country like how we did during the 19th century without taxes
>I wish it was like the 50s again
pick one and stick with it please, they're contradictory stances

>>11229498
Try repairing the interstate in your own garage I fucking dare you.

>>11229661
This image is false, because tarrifs and excise taxes.

>>11229416
Road damage is the square of the pressure exerted. 10k marching humans put miniscule pressure on the surface their feet contact. Horses and carriages are worse, but they don't come close to what something as light as a large sedan does. 18 wheelers, cement trucks, etc. do a massive amount of damage in comparison. A single loaded 18 wheeler does about 9,600 passenger cars worth of damage as they roll along.

>>11229266

Yeah, which makes Christian persecution of Jews so ridiculous, and vice versa. They are just denominations of the same religion. In fact, the Bible was rewritten to make "the jews" into the bad guys just so as not to piss off the Roman elite. Everywhere in the bible talking about the evil Jews was originally talking about the evil Romans. Jesus was beloved by the Jews at the time. Its why he had so many followers. He was their king.

>>11229407
>Unfortunately the Christfags overtook the other ones in this case. How would we stop it from happening again?

By having a complete model of reality. JudeoChristians throughout history have exploited the holes in knowedge. For example, the reason why Athens fell is because they didnt know about disease vectors, and were completely caught by surprise from a virus outbreak at their military's high density barracks. Allowed the Spartans to easy conquer them, when the Athenians had a better strategy. The diseases made them easy Christian converts later since Christians had a definitive answer for it, "disease is from the devil" etc...

>>11229703
MAYBE I WILL

>>11228684
As much as i like the sentiment of this pic as a pedestrian if i’m cornering fast on my bike i’d still rather be on tarmac.

Also I’ve witnessed the Wirtgen Road planer on action. Engineers are cool.

>>11228765
that doesn't look very good to drive on