/sci/ - Science & Math

No the game is rigged

>>11217410

>>11217414
wat

Yes

all of them save a few prestigious ones

see youtube

>>11217410
No, the point of education institutions is to filter people by IQ, through the proxy of testing. No one cares about the knowledge you learn, they just want the best/hardest working people to be their wageslaves.

>>11217410
it will be a combination of both.

>>11217410
No-one likes MOOCs. Not employers, not students, not educators.

If these courses start having a standard of certification, where at least 60% of the applicants fail to acquire the certificate, eventually some of them will start being recognised as good measures of knowledge. I hope it happens, education should always strive to be accessible, but it still needs to maintain strict certification standards.

>>11217410
Yes, and cheap VR will be the trigger.
You will just have to go to an examination center for the finals and that's it.

I don't know if you guys watch some courses on youtube but the comments are full of third worlders.
Those people have trash infrastructures and the material probably dates back to the 90s with some shitty lazy prof, what do you think some pinoys will pick if they have a choice: their philipino introductory course to neuroscience or genetics or the one from Berkeley?

I would go for an even bigger prediction and say you will see top colleges shit subsidiaries everywhere in the world McDonald franchise style in the coming decades.
Of course the home university will remain the rich kids playground where they come to network and have the "campus experience" but the rest of the world will do without.

>>11218950
Diversity quotas and grade inflation have eliminated the filter.

>>11217410
COOM

>>11217410
i doubt it

>>11217410
No, because a key aspect of major universities are the research programs they support and the ties they make to industry and the government as a result. You need the infrastructure to support those activities, and those activities are what foster innovation. That cannot be done online. You can have online courses and online certificates, which will serve as cash cows for the university, but you can't replace the campus. Not in today's research environment.

>>11218950

it's obvious no longer a good filter as you cannot automatically get a job with just a university degree

>>11220516
Professors just want to research and they don't really give a shit about teaching classes. If online education becomes a huge thing, then maybe universities will just become research institutions with connections to industry and government.

>>11220516
Kek, maybe 10% of global universities have a research program worth something.
95% of students (number pulled out of my ass) will NEVER approach research outside of some half assed thesis at the end of their master that NOONE will read and which is likely just some a sandwich thesis.

Good students will find their way into the academia while the mediocre to average ones (like me) just want the course and the paper so they can move on to a job.

>>11220649
>they don't really give a shit about teaching classes.
That's because you have chucklefucks like this fag >>11220690 who view university as high school part 2, diploma boogaloo. They only care about their GPA, and on average, must be taught down to, lowering the bar for the students that excel in class. If we could filter out students that treat university like a more technically-involved trade school, then some of the rot in academia might be treated. That doesn't solve the problem of bureaucrats running universities as for-profit institutions, but one step at a time.

>>11220690
Research these days is very much incremental. The low hanging fruit have been picked. What we have now are highly specialized fields involving highly specialized research that only other people in said highly specialized field might find interesting. BUT, if you combine enough of these results together, you end up with something remarkable (modern microelectronics, for example).

>>11217410
no, if anything they'll be replaced by online degree programs by the same brick and mortar unis. Especially now that edx stopped making their courses entirely free. Their audit mode is like a "trial" now, even for useless humanities courses.
A lot of prestigious colleges are making online programs now (ASU, Michigan State, WC Madison, PennState, Caltech, Stanford, just off the top of my head). There are a few entirely online universities that aren't diploma mills and are actually accredited, like WGU and Open University, but they're not free, and they'll always be a minority among a shitload of scams like UoPhoenix.

>>11221486
>>11217410
the best way to really rape those elite bastards is by creating competency testing as the requirement for getting certified for knowledge.
>wanna be an engineer?
take the mechanical engineering competency exam to get your certificate of certified competency.
this would eliminate the need for uni. and people could just sit at home reading free text books.
We should start a campaign for it.
FUCK universities.

>>11221498
that's basically what WGU does. It's non-profit and competency-based, so if you demonstrate you're truly competent you can pass a course in weeks and enroll in another course for that term (you're also charged a flat fee per term instead of per credit). Many professionals who need the "is graduated" checkmark filled for HR use it to get a diploma without being ass raped by massive debt and tuition fees for 4-5 years. Some people even graduate in a year. I don't know about the quality of their courses though, all I know is they're not a diploma mill (you actually need to demonstrate knowledge), an it's cheap. Don't expect anything better than state school tier quality wise