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Precognition is considered to be pseudoscience. If it is/were real, in what way could it be proved?

>> No.11209723

Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV1uuGFmkvQ

>> No.11209805

>>11209723
Also interesting how this vid was uploaded around 12 hours before I asked this question.

>> No.11209813

>>11209805
They must have precognatively known you were going to make this thread so they got the video ready for you.

>> No.11209829

>>11209711
>in what way could it be proved?
Pretty easily. All somebody has to do is make a prediction that is
>a specific, relatively detailed event instead of a vague omen (i.e. "a bomb will go off in Oklahoma City tomorrow afternoon" not "omg I think sumfin bad might happen in the next couple days")
>provably given BEFORE the event, not "oh yeah you see that event that happened on the 12th? I totally dreamed about that on the 11th I'm psychic"
Every precognitive claim ever made violates at least one of those, usually both.

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>>11209829
What sucks is that I could have done something like that but didn't so there goes your one chance well hopefully it will happen again lol.

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>>11209711

there is no scientific principle that says precognition is impossible

>> No.11209892

>>11209882
There is. You would need to transmit information through time, backwards.

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>>11209892

"Aspects of modern physics, such as the hypothetical tachyon particle and certain time-independent aspects of quantum mechanics, may allow particles or information to travel backward in time."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retrocausality

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>>11209892
This is known to happen. It is observable even in classical electromagnetism via what is called the advanced potential. If you close a circuit with sufficient components, you can observe that the circuit reacts to your intention to close the circuit even before you actually close it.

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node51.html

>> No.11209907

>>11209901
Actually, I can't recall the exact experiment in which this is observed, but the theory allows it and I think it has been observed.

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>>11209711
The US Military/CIA doesn't spend millions of dollars on psudo science. FInd the stargate project in the CIA archives

>> No.11209999

>>11209907
Let me know if you remember more of the experiment

>> No.11210036

>>11209938
>The US Military/CIA doesn't spend millions of dollars on psudo science.
They do though.

>> No.11210037

>>11209711
The problem with psychic powers is that skeptical unbelievers would send out negative energy blocking them.
So it's unprovable and hard to weaponize in practice.
Personally I think people are just very good at predicting things unconsciously.
If we could tap into the same natural processing for catching a ball and use that for predicting the future in other areas who knows what we could do?

>> No.11210039

>>11209711
You would have to find either a trend that was so undeniable that it would HAVE to happen again, (likeliest) or, and I repeat, OR, you could tap into a set of possibilities in a consciousness stream, the very act of which will alter possibility in that instance. There is another method that is guaranteed to give you precognition, but it is incredibly invasive, dangerous and ethically wrong. If you discover it on your own, use at own risk.

>> No.11210048

>>11210037
If "negative energy" was that powerful, then negative energy itself would be measurable. I bet you didn't think of that, now did you?

>> No.11210072

>>11210039
I've already had one precognitive dream, but I still can't prove what happened to me. It wasn't about an important event though, so letting the internet know about my dream wouldn't do any good.

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Even if humans did have precognition, they would have it in a way that would make them unaware that they have it. If somebody was aware that they were seeing the future, they would eventually draw the conclusion that anything they see is unavoidable. But thinking like this renders the ability useless, because just possessing the potential to go against what you see, alters what ends up being seen.

This is because of the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle. When you make an observation of the future, the future becomes one of many possible states, but those possibilities are influenced by the act of you making an observation. If you see a future that you'll want to avoid, then reality will have to resort to contrivances in order to make it happen even after you observe this. In this way, the universe will take a path of lower resistance, and tend toward futures that you aren't going to actively attempt to thwart, except when providing a desirable future requires more contrivances than an undesirable future.

So in order for something to use precognition, it has to always think it can go against what it sees, even if that never happens based on past experiences.

>> No.11210129

>>11210048
This is called Noetics and it is measurable padawan

Noetics - Mind Over Matter
videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/MpidybLEBBdLmHk

>> No.11210132

>>11210036
Nah nigga

>> No.11210163

>>11210072
You can hone this with training, become an empath, I myself am an empath with 20 years of training. The materialist plebs here will balk or w/e but they are NPC shudra fascinated by the illusion.

If you want to understand this ability watch a tv show called The Mentalist. Being this ability is like studying any other field of knowledge. Essentially what you are doing is learning the mechanics of the matrix (including the humans) and it makes you able to predict outcomes more accurately with less variables than normies, your gut feeling/institution.

You may be able to easily predict the outcome of some experiment you set up than some podunk from /pol/ who doesn't even understand the variables let alone how to predict how they will interact and the outcome they will produce. Well just s you tower over them in this regard empaths tower over in what they can predict in this reality because they see and understand variables muggles don't. Think of Sherlock Holmes and his "supernatural" abilities to the outside observer. However to him they simply normal and logical/reasonable he simply sees things you don't and his mind knows how to crunch those variables to determine probable outcomes and his mind does it intuitively, he doesn't have to work through it, the mind simple crunches them unconsciously, just like a great athlete that can make an amazing play without thinking about the physics ie angle and sped of the ball, x vert factor to jump at y coordinate etc, they just know when to jump and when to where the length of their arm will be in the correct spot to make a once in a lifetime catch that will be on sports center highlights

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>>11210163
lmao what the fuck

>> No.11211677

>>11209901
>>11209999
It's pointless asking probably just reinvented the theremin and are too stupid to realize it.

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>>11211666
>derp derp derp burp fart some words and donkey sounds hee haw hee haw

I was pretty detailed and straight forward what did you have a problem understanding monkey brains

>> No.11212701

>>11209892
Wrong, you would need to understand the scope of the universe enough to predict what was going to happen next in detail.

Is a weather forecast precognition?

>> No.11212714

shoot someone in the head
if they dodge the bullet it was precognition