/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11191243
based

>>11191243
>Mankind will truly rule everything.
I doubt that but it should be our prime prerogative.

>>11191243
we will cease to be "man" by the time we get around to that

>>11191243
sure bud

The most realistic form of space travel is that we figure out cryo sleep and send off a ship of people at half the speed of light with an AI on board to land that on a decent planet. Not that we'd have any means of communicating with that colony then.

>>11191243
Our destiny is more to "spread" than "conquer". Spreading multicellular life to lifeless planets, where the unique conditions of each will evolve the creatures into something "alien".
In a few million years, humanity will take multi-planetary life for granted, and the story about a central Mother-Earth will be largely considered a myth.

>>11191294
We might not have an all-encompassing Galactic Human Empire, which is sad, but I can live with it.

>>11191301
I think governments will be limited to individual star-systems by necessity. Each system would have roughly 1-3 terraformed inner planets, and several hundred bases on rocky bodies scattered around the outer planets.
The real question is, what would be the extent of interstellar commerce? There would of course be indulgences (art, luxuries, etc) but what consumable materials (iron, grain, etc) would be more profitably imported from factories across the gulf of space?
I know this board rags on economics as a science, but it really is one of the more important fields in the world

*blocks human potential*
heh, nothing personal kid

>>11191243
If we have truly reached escape velocity in terms of extinction, this is likely true. Perhaps humanity will continue into perpetuity, and if so, given enough time, i.e. some subset of eternity, our conquest of the universe is almost inevitable, unless we encounter another (or many other) civilisation(s) that began evolving around the same time we did, similarly reached escape velocity, and are doing something similar. We would likely interact peacefully as we will both (all) be incredibly advanced by this stage. And as >>11191257 suggests, we may very well not be recognisable as human at all, but rather some form of cyborg collective beyond our current comprehension.

>>11191243
Nope. Probabilistically, mankind should be gone 9000 years from now, and even sooner if we spread rapidly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_argument
Technology either takes us inwards or humanity is not eternal

mankind can't even rule one planet properly

>>11191430
The idea of a global government is laughable and misguided
Future-humanity will consist mostly of agrarian city-states

>>11191291
We might very well reach higher than 50% the speed of light though. Maybe 70% or even 80% and higher. Depending on where you're sending people, it might still take a while for people to get there though.

>>11191294
>>11191301
Idk, I could see something like a "Galactic Human Empire," actually existing but it won't be anything like it looks like in fiction. Due to the nature of space travel and how much effort it takes (at least at first), early colonialization of space will be a largely collaborative effort of Earth governments. There will be an element of peace for the first century or two of space, especially since you wouldn't want space warfare to destroy all the expensive infrastructure you've built in space. In addition, corporations will also probably hold more power than Earth governments and if anything, economic interest will ensure peace in space, even if it'll be scary how much power and sway they hold.

As we spread out further amongst the stars, I could see there being rebellions, insurrections, maybe even a few bonafide wars between powers, etc., but aside from creating new powers, it probably won't significantly fracture the power structure of space. I can't really see humans actively warring with one another for any long, significant period of time in space, unless they got really screwed and absolutely needed somewhere to life (think a failed colony or habitat).

It all depends on whether we create some sort of tech that allows near-light speed communication. That and the discovery of other sapient, intelligent, even technologically advanced life out there. Nothing makes people join together and accept our differences more like something foreign.

>>11191243
>its our time!!! we will rule the universe
no . you cant fathom how little humanity will affect the universe before it dies out. but if you play your cards right you can die a faggy death figuratively or literally due to whats known as manifest destiny. most factions make the ,mistake of saying something stupid like its our time as they charge into battle (again can be figuratively)

do you know why this is the case? people say stupid shit to get others to fight their battles. to often both sides do it. to many times a faction has claimed it was their time and lost. its burned into the fabric of reality that that is the battle cry of the wild faggot just before it dies

Manifest Destiny.

>>11191440
I actually wouldn't be surprised if in the future there WAS a global government, but if there was, it probably wouldn't be anything like people expect, with a very decentralized government body and modern nations being individual states of said government, with lots and lots of skirmishes between states anyway.

>>11191291

Most realistic is our medicine becoming so good that no one ever dies of old age.

This board is as bad as /v/

>>11191243
We're already dead

>>11191443

I doubt corps will exist as they do nowadays when you can easily automatize white collar workes than blue ones.

>>11191243
This is just a fictionalised fragment of liberal-humanist European culture that conquered the world. It's not destiny and it's not an imperative, it's not even a human thing. Moreover, it won't happen, you delusional scifi-loving retard.

Evolution shows that spreading out and multiply is the viable strategy of long term survival.

FTL travel is impossible. Travel at relativistic speeds is also impossible. We will die in this solar system, stop watching Star Wars.

>>11191853
And they told Thomas Edison the light bulb was impossible, and he proved them wrong.

>>11191853
Thank God

>>11191853

Only brainlets need FTL.

>>11191856
1) they didn't
2) the lightbulb did not violate well understood physical laws

>>11191866
cryosleep or turning your brain into a computer are memes too

>>11191853

Who needs cryosleep when my nanomachines keeps me from aging?

>>11191873

Both are unnecessary too.

>>11191243
The universe will end. What's the point?
Oh but that's such a long time from now...
The . universe . will . end

>>11191885
Ok, a multi-generational colony ship might work, but more realistically something critical would fail or everyone would go apeshit and kill each other. The only real solution to interstellar travel I will accept is finding out astral projection is real and can be used to teleport.

>>11191889

No it wont. It will exist for an eternity in thermal equilibrium until Poincaré recurrence theorem quicks in again.

>>11191853
FTL goes against laws of physics as we understand them at a really fundamental level but to say life extension, suspended animation, various transhuman ways of dealing with the time scales are impossible is just arrogance.

>>11191893

Multigenerational is also probaly not necessary either. There's a fairly good chance that we will have figure out and fixed aging by then.

>>11191243
It is our destiny to mark the Cenozoic-Thanatozoic transition with a thin layer of funko pops and Barium 137 dust.

>>11191897
>The universe "resets"
Yeah but we, with our memories and personalities and histories, do not reset with it. All that gets wiped clean, erased in a reset scenario. So what do we care that it resets? If we have to start from scratch, we have effectively died. That's exactly what we're trying to avoid. The only way out that I see is if we could keep all that and take it with us to a new hospitable universe, where all of the relevant information that we need to be able to continue to call ourselves humanity can pass through along with consciousness to the new place. Otherwise, like I said, we die.

The purpose of life is to increase the univere's entropy faster. That is our first and only goal.

>>11191428
never really thought about it but it seems to me that the doomsday argument also makes it more likely that if we'll evolve into a space colonizing machine civilization, our robot "descendants" would be unconscious. our birth rank might be statistically unlikely if we count the "births" of all the intelligent machine entities that evolve from our civilizations - but the lack of inner experience of those robots would explain the statistical unlikeliness away since there's no one inside to find themselves experiencing the inner life of zombie robots.... and the conscious part of our civilization is the only time we could possibly find ourselves in.

>>11191428

But if we are meant to exist forever then it is paradoxically equally likely to be born at any given moment.

>>11191291
If that's the case then we will literally never do it unless we've made life on Earth so hellish that we honestly shouldn't propagate the species.

Nobody in a half decent society is going to fling themselves across space with no chance of returning.

>>11191963

There's no shortagebof people who would do it just to build their own small Eden.

>>11191291
Send out an intergalactic internet catalog of information produced over hundreds of years to all colonies to keep them in the loop about their old planet.

>>11191907
I agree. Luckily, we have a solution for that:
Even if it takes you decades to cross the vast gulf of space, you can make the trip however short or long you'd like, depending on how fast you go.
So assuming you don't need to return to any people you left behind, the trip through space seems like it takes no time at all.

>>11191950
Well any posit about future human behaviour is going to be groundless but if you accept that the argument has predictive power (at least nobody has yet been able to prove that it doesn't), something in that vein to explain why we aren't outnumbered by future observers or that humanity ends relatively soon are the only immediate conclusions

Born too early to explore the stars.

Born at the right time for VR porn.

>>11192078
VR porn isn't even that much better than regular porn. After a few viewings, it's all the same shit.

>>11191360
Wrong image

>>11192509
>the least developed areas in the world with the shittiest educations have the worst IQs
YOU DON'T FUCKING SAY

>>11191243
Not mankind, something after us. Of earth maybe, or a competitor

>>11191243
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPB2u8EzL8

>>11191243
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4izuDMUQA
Go to 24 minutes
This is our true and only destiny

>>11191243
>to conquer
We are not in war against the Universe...

>>11192533
Yes we are. We are in constant conflict with the environment, which is constantly trying to kill us. If we let our guard down even for a moment, we might all be dead within minutes. This is the basic essence of "survival". If the only meaning of life is to live, i.e. to survive, i.e. to not die, then yes, existence is a never-ending conflict with the universe. One which we will only win once we are immortal.

>>11192533
The Universe itself is constantly trying to kill us. We need to tame it.

>>11191243
*kills itself by poisoning the environment*

>>11191440
Tracer Tong detected.

>>11191424
>Likely interact peacefully
Yeah I would like to know the probability of that occurring

>>11191243
>It is our destiny to conquer the universe. Mankind will truly rule everything.
hat a profoundly disgusting statement. Not only does it, in obscene vulgarity, equate the man with the beast, it also continues to suggest that everything natural is somehow good, justified by the mere virtue of existence. The most horrifying acts of violence, despicable evil which just begins to sharpen its teeth at rape and murder, are justified in this one simple sentence.
The entire post is undoubtedly a product of a diseased mind of unnerving abnormality, just hiding beneath a facade of religiousness, but it corrupts this religiousness by its limitless contempt for all the material world. This perverse, barbaric individual, in their hatered of the enlightenment, yearns for the dark horrors of the uncivilized past. It wants to grind all that it dislikes into dust, and replace it with its own horrifying visage, a totalitarian religion of submission to its own antediluvian ideals.

>>11192816
Then how do you explain what we have now, if it weren't for the human desire to conquer and accomplish. Just admit you like fucking trees.

>>11192816
>>11192819
cont.
I completely understand what you're trying to say and I slightly agree with you. However, I see that where we are now as a species, is tenfold times better, than if we was to continue our existence as primordial beings.

>>11191243
>he unironically thinks Homo sapiens in its current form will rule over anything

But when all people have become useless, self-prop systems will find no advantage in taking care of anyone. The techies themselves insist that machines will soon surpass humans in intelligence. When that happens, people will be superfluous and natural selection will favor systems that eliminate them-if not abruptly, then in a series of stages so that the risk of rebellion will be minimized.

Even though the technological world-system still needs large numbers of people for the present, there are now more superfluous humans than there have been in the past because technology has replaced people in many jobs and is making inroads even into occupations formerly thought to require human intelligence. Consequently, under the pressure of economic competition, the world's dominant self-prop systems are already allowing a certain degree of callousness to creep into their treatment of superfluous individuals. In the United States and Europe, pensions and other benefits for retired, disabled, unemployed, and other unproductive persons are being substantially reduced; at least in the U. S., poverty is increasing; and these facts may well indicate the general trend of the future, though there will doubtless be ups and downs.

We won't even be able to substitute oil before our society collapses in the current century.

>>11191243
>>11191291
The most realistic form of interstellar travel doesn't involve sending live humans, in cryosleep or otherwise. I don't think people intuitively appreciate the distances or difficulties involved. It's not our inevitable next step, we have no manifest destiny.

The most plausible way I can think of to colonise other star systems is to send machines loaded with the necessary information to build a civilization from scratch at the destination. That would still be easier than shipping live humans.

>>11192839
That's like being afraid your children will surpass you. Of course they will, and it's a good thing.

>>11192858
He's afraid that, having surpassed him, his children will enslave and murder him. When obviously, like children everywhere, they'll just wait for him to die and then take his stuff.

>>11192839
> In the United States and Europe, pensions and other benefits for retired, disabled, unemployed, and other unproductive persons are being substantially reduced; at least in the U. S., poverty is increasing;

This isn't true for most of western Europe. And at least in my country poverty is still going down with wealth inequality becoming less and less severe as the poor and middle class get richer quicker than the upper class. Meaning we are closing the gap.

Also pensions and other benefits are actually increasing as our economy is growing.

Looks like you just have a very US centric view on global economics that doesn't apply to actual first world countries.

I agree with humans being replaced with artificial systems however I don't think this will happen out of some sort of pseudo game-theory evolutionary selection. Instead it'll happen because humans are inherently dropping their fertility rate as they become richer and more developed. Which is why the fertility rate is dropping like a stock market crash all across the globe.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN

>>11192807
Human beings are mostly peaceful now despite glaring inequality. This wasn't true in the past. Primitive indigenous peoples have often been mistreated terribly by those more powerful than them. But this has become far less common. We have developed moral sophistication and will continue to evolve in this regard.

>>11192917
but you're going to miscalculate if you honestly think the same would be reciprocated by the other species.

>>11192857
I don't think it's that different from sending people in cryo sleep. You can probably easily find thousands if not millions who are adventerous, desperate, dumb or curious enough to explore a completely unknown world.

But in your case, what civilization would that be? Just robots following a protocol? Sounds pointless, even for human standards.

>>11192917
>>11192939
There are really only two ways of looking at interstellar war.

You can recognise the fact that, since the scales involved mean it's impossible to compete over resources or territory, there are zero gains to be made from fighting and going to war can only possibly make things worse for you.

Or you can identify the aliens as a systemic threat - if they don't have the intention, they at least have the potential capability of wiping you out. So you do unto them first to eliminate the risk.

When you study people with the second kind of attitude by putting them in games like NATO/Warsaw Pact simulations, they always end up getting themselves killed. So despite being founded on risk aversion, that attitude tends to be self-destructive. It's reasonable to think that the longer a civilization goes on, the less likely it is to operate according to those principles, because they literally die out.

>>11192917
Moral and kindness applied toward other individuals and species is a luxury allowed by us dominating the earth biosphere.
This would not hold if confronted with another species competing for the same ecological niche as us.

>>11192816
All living creatures seek dominance, there is literally nothing wrong with that.
You are trying to dominate right now by violently shaming him just and imposing your views through this process.

>>11192971
You'd send minds and hands, those are the only worthwhile cargo. Human-descended or uploaded AI, and the tools to build the tools you need. If you don't have true AI, you'd need to have robots prep the destination, establish a nursery, grow some humans, and teach them to be civilised, which is STILL easier and more practical than sending live humans IMO. And it is pretty pointless; either way your only payoff is a little temporary insurance against extinction, and an isolated daughter-society you can trade letters with. (Which seems fun enough.)

>>11192513
Its not only due to bad quality of education.

>>11191424
>If we have truly reached escape velocity in terms of extinction
We haven't. We're just at the dawn of our greatest trials.

>>11193865
"Escape velocity" is a vague term, but I think we've reached it. Maintaining it is the issue.
Let's say that "escape" refers to self-sufficient human civilizations in other star systems, (sufficient enough to create their own ships and colonize other stars) so that in the event of one star-system dying, they can continue to colonize others. Right now, we're on the right path; governments working on starships and colonizing nearby worlds. We are currently at escape "velocity", but we still need to keep an eye on maintaining "acceleration".
If our acceleration stalls (global war, societal collapse, etc) then we'd fall below escape velocity, but we'd have good odds on reaching it again. They turn of human empires is relatively fast when compared to the cosmic time-scale. (Though, this fact has a bad habit of making us idle. It's easy to say we have another few million years, which we might, but a supernova could kill us tomorrow. Or in a hundred years. Or the day after we settle another system.)

But you are right to say we are at the dawn of our greatest trials; in fact I think that'd be a great phrase to bring into the wider discussion.
>We're just at the dawn of our greatest trials
Colonizing each new planet will take decades. Terraforming, generations. And making those planets capable of self-sufficient societal reproduction will take centuries. We need to dedicate ourselves to the cause of colonization, so that in a million years, we find ourselves taking interstellar human society for granted.
Sure, humanity's a bitch. Sure, some idiots will start wars or empires or genocides. But once we've reached that point of interstellar population saturation, the worst any one tyrant could do is doom his own star-system, and never the human race as a whole.

>>11191853
Why is relativistic travel impossible? Just send millions of small probes, not all of them would get destroyed.

>>11194052
I think we still have at LEAST half a century to go until we can have anything approaching a self-sufficient colony on another celestial body.

The problem is, as it stands right now, our current civilization is completely and utterly unsustainable for a multitude of reasons and we're headed for a rather severe collapse from which we may never recover (either because of extinction or because the resources of our planet are quite depleted already, making it much more unlikely to reach a high-tech space faring civilization again).

>>11192816
Nice pasta. That said, we're still going to dominate the universe eventually. That also includes the possibility of other species, who will be subjugated and placed under our heel.

>>11191243
This but through endless incestuous mating.

>>11194081
Zero resources are depleted or nearing depletion.

>>11191353
>I think governments will be limited to individual star-systems by necessity

The communication lag between solar systems is not much different than that for large colonial empires historically.

>>11191907
>FTL goes against laws of physics as we understand them at a really fundamental level

We don’t understand the “laws of physics”, especially not you, because the laws of physics literally do not exist. They are observed consistencies. Nothing more.

>>11191428
The Carter catastophe is literally a fucking meme.

>>11192509
>Wrong image
Dubious image.
We have seen this many times and i still have not seen any plausible reason for numerous discrepancies on that map.

>>11195568
It’s based on Richard Lynn’s data, which contains multiple outright made-up or mislabeled data points and cherrypicked data points in addition to being at best over a decade out-of-date.

>>11191912
"Aging" isn't even among the leading causes of death, though, there are a dozen diseases or categories of diseases that kill people well before they get too old to function and can affect people of all ages.

>>11191243

Until we meet a race 20 million years more advanced that turns us into farm animals.

>>11195601
More like
>Oh this rock is growing people on it
>Gross
>Builds Dyson sphere around our sun for more energy for their transgalactic power grid
>Giant laser arrays beaming energy to industrial processes we can't even concieve of
>The last remaining vestiges of our govts in nuclear powered bunkers try to launch a revenge nuclear strike on the Dyson sphere while the rest of us have long since frozen to death
>Ew that rock is trying to shoot missiles at us
>Sweeps our entire planet with gamma Rays and laser

>>11195601
>smaRrT PeoPLe r SocIOpAthS lieK mE

>>11191243
I wish anon, but it probably wont happen. With blacks population exploding they will take all the money in their gibs. After the race war, when only whites are left then we have a better chance. Greed is a big killer of progress. We could have had fusion ages ago, but big oil didnt want that to happen. If greed and minorities were eliminated after ww2 we would already have infrastructure throughout the solar system.

Mankind will perish on its blue dot. Its interstellar heir will be something more.

>>11195631
>lets dominate and destroy everyone who opposes us
>oh no this hyper-advanced civilization is killing us how could this happen
humanity

>>11191243
>It is our destiny to conquer the universe. Mankind will truly rule everything.

There are people out there who un-ironically believe this. Now that is hilarious.

>>11191243

Whatever helps you die peacefully

Puck that orbits Uranus translates from russian as a "fart"

>>11195653
> >lets dominate and destroy everyone who opposes us

Wasn’t me who said that. I believe we’re in the shadow of a much more advanced alien species. Perhaps a future vassal state.

>>11195410
Imagine believing this

>>11195790
Imagine not knowing this. We have over fifty years of oil minimum and centuries of coal minimum

>>11195817
>50 years will never come and this doesn't include the economics and energetics of diminishing returns
>oil is the only thing we're running out of
Imagine believing this

>>11195706
And what else would orbit Uranus?

>>11195883
>>50 years will never come and this doesn't include the economics and energetics of diminishing returns

Increasing oil prices will just make us switch to something else. It’s a good thing it’s going to expire.

> >oil is the only thing we're running out of

Pretty much. Welcome to name anything else.

>>11191291
Or just figure out how to digitize someone and send at lights peed across galaxy to where robot body is.

>>11192509
nice map of nuclear radiation from heroshima distribution

>>11195418
Oh yeah, I'm really hoping for a galactic quantum internet, that'll be sick
But those ancient empires could still interact, albeit slowly, from one end of their empire to the other. It took them months of travel, and such large empires rarely lasted long.
Our empire will take YEARS of travel. There's no reason any stellar government would give a shit about the galactic-governing-body except as a token gesture of community

>>11191291
Human body is the absolute disaster for going anywhere outside our planet. You need at least an artificial body designed specifically for the purpose if you want to call space your home. And maybe also artificial, or at least heavily modified intelligence to safely operate on time scales any actual space travel worth talking about would take

>>11191934
underrated, based, and god's will

>>11196054
We'd be better off sending unconscious robots out to the stars to build mines and mass drivers to send resources back to us. Sending brains outside of our communication range just creates another enemy empire to deal with. The light speed limit's true killing blow to any interstellar empire is communication. If you can't talk to your colonies you can't control them. They WILL have an incentive to outright ignore you or send tungsten your way.

>>11196503
Transhumanism would solve the "human body" problem, we'd be pseudo-immortal hyper-advanced cyborgs who look like people or furries or anything else we want.
The "travel times" issue is solved by relativity; it might take you thirty years to get somewhere, but at near-light speeds that would only feel like a few months to the passenger.

>>11191243
Sounds like the universe needs alittle freedom.

>>11191243
The Chinese want to do this.
t. Wandering Earth

>>11196527
>send resources back to us
That's not the reason why people want to explore the stars. Just its one of the reason, but not THE reason.

>>11195817
>We have fifty years of oil left
>This is not a resource nearing depletion
Are you stupid, or do you not know what English words mean, or what?

>>11191841
Found the mongoloid destined for slavery. Why does anyone even feel sorry for you people

>>11195548
please, demonstrate how it is

>>11191428
Probablisticaly we shouldn't exist. Besides I thought half the fun of being human was defying the odds

>>11192816
So basically you are saying OP is based and redpilled

>>11197081
>Probablisticaly we shouldn't exist.

What do you base this on? On the "improbability" of life?

>>11192913
>This isn't true for most of western Europe. And at least in my country poverty is still going down with wealth inequality becoming less and less severe as the poor and middle class get richer quicker than the upper class. Meaning we are closing the gap.
What a lot of propaganda. I am in France. The home of equality and our oligarchs are more wealthy than ever while the working classes are ground to dust. You fucking bourgeoisie filth will pay for what you have done.

>>11191243
Why, Mr. Anderson? Why, why? Why do you do it? Why, why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting... for something? For more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know? Is it freedom? Or truth? Perhaps peace? Could it be for love? Illusions, Mr. Anderson. Vagaries of perception. Temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose. And all of them as artificial as the Matrix itself, although... only a human mind could invent something as insipid as love. You must be able to see it, Mr. Anderson. You must know it by now. You can't win. It's pointless to keep fighting. Why, Mr. Anderson? Why? Why do you persist?

>>11196599
I liked this movie, i wish they would just make a 3 body problem miniseries or something.

>>11196611
We won't be able to stop small groups of explorers but I think preventing colonial groups from leaving would be advisable. Personally I'd join an explorer group if it was feasible.

>>11197179
same thing the 9,000 year limit was - stirring my shit around in the toilet and reading it like tea leaves. C'mon, you have to admit a doomsday prediction that far off is just fuckin absurd when we can't even predict tomorrow's weather that accurately. It's just some faggot speculating that humans and nature will keep up the status quo, something we're pretty shit at doing lately, for 9000 years.

>>11196527
Cool, but that implies there's enough left on earth to sack that would make an invasion worth their time and resources.
Also just do the quantum entanglement thing to send signals instantaneously

>>11192913
>Instead it'll happen because humans are inherently dropping their fertility rate as they become richer and more developed. Which is why the fertility rate is dropping like a stock market crash all across the globe.
You're retarded. The only reason why fertility rates are low now is a departure from the environment of evolutionary adaptedness. Fertility rates in developed nations will inevitably have a rebound, as people who control their breeding are weeded out of the gene pool, and "breeders" undergo strong positive selection pressure.

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/where-do-babies-come-from/
http://www.unz.com/akarlin/breeders-revenge/

>>11197583
Personally I'd rather the entire solar system be colonized. That way we can have personal private ships going between Earth/Mars/Venus/Titan/etc. More proliferation of ships = faster space travel r/d development and build.

>>11192513
That's why I'm building schools in Africa

>>11196625
Fifty years is ages away.

>>11197981
OK zoomer.

>>11196731
Imbecile. I am a virile Anglo man witnessing the death of his race while retaining the characteristic adventurous and arrogant spirit of it. I am the living definition of your fantasies. I merely object to the lesser races aping my own, and continuing with this delusion and self-destruction that has long since become a fabricated product wholly insincere.

Your collective fate is to too late realise the utterly absence of collective fate.

>>11197562
Fear. Life fears.

>>11197615
you think that clandestine cockblocking can ever be an effective military strategy?

>>11199206
continued...

how would one even accomplish this? I wonder.

>>11192539
>If the only meaning of life is to live, i.e. to survive, i.e. to not die...
>implying essence precedes existence

>>11191243
Even if we somehow find a way to travel at the speed of light or near the speed of light, it will still take us around 3-4 of constant travelling at that speed just so we can reach the nearest star which isn't the Sun. Not to mention places that are millions of light years away.

Drove down my block in Point Lookout or by 7-11 to try to get me to kill? Trillions of times repeat examples are happening.

>>11199823
>implying that essence does not preceed existence
Brainlet

>>11191291
right now, that would honestly suck desu. Despite knowing it is mostly thought as science fiction than real science right now, I believe interestellar ftl travel will be possible one day in a similar fashion to star treek, impossible right now, maybe, but so were a lot of things that are possible nowadays at some point in time.

>>11200934
We could've actually had a conversation, but you chose ad hominem. Nice example of how existence precedes essence, btw.

Wouldnt it be more realistic that we just end up going end up putting advanced VR on our heads, and live in our own paradises?

Why would someone bother to colonise the universe, when he can just put on a VR thingy and have everything he ever whished for.

>>11201105
ie: holosuite

>>11191271
Gotta start somewhere

>>11192539
But anon you/we are the universe.

>>11192509
Wrong image

>>11191243
That's what some ayyys are afraid of. Not even kidding.

>>11191963
>pioneer spirit doesn't exist

You're a pussy

>>11201105
>Why would someone bother to colonise the universe, when he can just put on a VR thingy and have everything he ever whished for.
I'm only speaking for myself, but that soudns extremely depressing. It's just not real, and no matter how mind-blowing the sex with your perfect vr waifu is, you'll never know what REALLY is out there. Ultimately mankind might bifurcate between the people who remain on Earth and fuse with AIs and those who go away to other stars.