/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11174925
Bullet to the head has a 100% success rate.

>>11174927
LOL no it fucking doesn't

>>11174968
Show me one person who has remained depressed after going through the procedure.

>>11174970
OH SHI-

TMS has shown a lot of promise
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulation

>>11174927
Wrong

>>11174970
People sometimes survive with legendary medical treatment. These people often finish the job using more effective methods later on.

>>11174925
>waaah i do nothing but site inside, eat shit food, masturbate and play video games all day why am i depressed??????

Seriously has anyone got over depression? I have too many problems that have no solution and I think I'm just going to run away to some cabin asap, unplugging the internet and getting away from it all.

>>11175083
Anyone who has get over it surely isnt browsing this hellhole so i doubt youll get answers

>>11175083
>I think I'm just going to run away to some cabin asap, unplugging the internet and getting away from it all.
LOL there you fucking go, you had it all figured out all along. do this. exactly this. fuck the rat race. food and shelter. fuck everything else. unless you're curious. food/shelter/health/curiosity=happy life

NOT TO MENTION I LICK THE PRICK DICK SHITTING FUCKING CUNT LOL

>>11174925
Death.
Assuming there is no afterlife and we cease to exist when we die.

>>11175058
>sometimes
>often
that's where you're wrong, kiddo.

>>11175083
do a bunch of drugs until you feel better and then after a while you'll feel much worse so do stronger drugs and keep doing that until you're cured or dead
t. done this since 16 and unfortunately not dead

>>11175248
Kinda this just don’t get addicted to anything seriously

>>11174925
>2019
>Still talking about fucking particles.
>world consists of little balls who gets attracted to each other by other little balls
"ok"

>>11175259
I'm addicted to like two or three drugs but they're not too bad, I have a consistent schedule to try and curtail their effects
Gabapentin is probably the worst, with Cannabis withdrawl in second. Thankfully i'm not taking any SSRIs or anything. Zoloft withdrawl was the worst thing i've ever experienced.

>>11174925
>>11175097
Hey man. I spent most of my twenties deeply depressed, I've done the whole no internet hermit thing (not a great experience to be honest) and I now feel great about life and genuinely happy to be alive. I'm open to talking to you about what has helped me if you're interested.

To get the ball rolling (if you're interested) what does your life look like? Do you have a source of income, a friend group, projects you enjoy? It's okay if the answer to these questions is no, I've been there. But once we have a look at your life we can suggest how you can improve things.

What are you displeased with in life? I mean it's possible you're life is awesome and you just have a chemical imbalance, in which case I would recommend medication (which I have tried also) but somehow I think it's probably lifestyle related.

Let me hear your thoughts.

>>11175265
>I'm still a brainlet unable to comprehend the whole particle-wave duality thing
"ok"

>>11175293
Do you believe in conscious photons too? teehee don't look at me i'll collapse.
>What are quantized fields.

>particle wave duality
topkek

>>11175310
>muh belief
particles and waves are things we invented to describe nature, sadly nature at it's most basic evades those simple descriptions, if you have a better one please do share it

>>11175272
I guess this thread's pretty off-topic anyway. I was never taught anything and I never developed properly as a person. My parents are both mentally unstable people who violently split up when I was born and they gave up trying to teach me anything when I was young. I never payed attention or did any work throughout the entirety of my public education but I kept getting passed and let by without much if any resistance from my teachers, while this was happening my home life was degrading on both body and brain with everyone involved and I started to develop personality and mental issues. I never talked to others at school and by age 10 I was engrossed in the internet and stopped being present with my family and outer life completely. My ability to empathize, communicate, learn and develop ideas and skills, and regulate emotions are all still stuck in child-like stages, stunted and nonexistent. This combines into an adult man who is completely helpless and resists any outside help either consciously or unconsciously - education is unlikely because money isn't good and I have great difficulties learning and retaining information, let alone having any drive and giving a shit in the first place. I have shown to not be able to follow instructions accurately or be trusted with responsibility so having a job is pretty unlikely as well. I have no talents and never developed any interests or skills throughout my life. Basically, I'm a dud and I want out - I'm wasting everybody's time and I refuse to change my ways.

>>11174925
Yeah, fix your life. Meditate, eat well, exercise, develop meaningful relationships, take time to enjoy yourself, walk in nature often, write a life plan, a one year plan, a five year plan, and a ten year plan, ask yourself what you dislike about you life, take steps to change the things you can and accept the things you can't, acquire meaningful knowledge, develop admirable skills, work toward significant achievements, contribute to something larger than yourself, read Aristotle and the Stoics. If you force yourself to do all this and you're still depressed then you have a chemical imbalance. We all just die so why not try to live the good life. You have nothing to lose. If you can't get out of bed because "everything is garbage, what's the point" seek psychiatric help and consider medication.

>>11175203
>Nobody has ever survived a gunshot to the head
>People who attempt suicide rarely try again

>>11175377
Yes and I'm sure you do all of this and just have a splendid fulfilling little life, right?

>>11175393
I'm working toward all of these things and I feel great, yeah. I'm currently an unemployed NEET living with my parents but I'm following the plan I've set out for myself and I genuinely feel amazing. I offer all these things as the ideal. I haven't mastered life by any stretch of the imagination, but that's what I'm trying to do.

>>11175363
Firstly, thank you for having the courage to respond. It takes vulnerability to share these thoughts and feelings and I relish the opportunity to try to be of help to someone as eloquent as yourself. I’m taking the time to write a response so bear with me.

>>11174925
The cure exists in environment, in your own actions and most importantly in your perceptions of who you are and what you are doing over what you think is expected and your own desires.
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You have to change your life to change how you see it and how you feel.

Also, psychedelic mushrooms have shown promise in giving life-long positive psychological changes for people suffering from terminal diseases and soldiers suffering from PTSD.
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TMS looks promising, but is fairly new, so long term success and safety are still in question, but it *appears* safe for the time being.
Try what you feel most comfortable with, and best of luck anons.

>>11175363
I’m sorry to hear about the adversity you have experienced. Just know that many people who have experienced extreme adversity have gone on to accomplish great things. Helen Keller was both blind and deaf and still managed to obtain a bachelor's degree. Don’t write yourself off.

The main tenet of cognitive behavioural therapy is to challenge unhelpful and negative thoughts. Here is an examples based on your writing. Instead of thinking and saying “I was never taught anything” which is clearly false from an objective perspective, think “well, at least I was taught to read and write fluently” which you obviously were. I have met people who cannot do either of these things. This leads me to my next suggestion. Keep a gratitude journal. Pick three things everyday that you are grateful for and write them down. I know this sounds stupid but this is supported by strong empirical evidence in the (legitimate) field of positive psychology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratitude_journal))
Still typing, bear with me.

>>11175363
>I never payed attention or did any work throughout the entirety of my public education but I kept getting passed and let by without much if any resistance from my teachers
You and me both. I now have a bachelor's degree with honours in philosophy and I’m moving to a new city next year to study psychology with a ten year plan of becoming a computer systems engineer. I know you say education is unaffordable but you are clearly of above average intelligence so not to pursue further education would be doing yourself a severe disservice. Find a way to make it work.
More coming.

>>11175363
I would say you are definitely struggling with poor self-esteem. You’re definitely wrong about not being able to empathise and communicate because you are doing both of those things right now, and you’re clearly wrong about not being able to develop ideas and skills because you express yourself with obvious fluency and in language that is a joy to read. I can’t say much about your emotional regulation because I don’t know you, but this may be something you can work on if your assessment is accurate.
>This combines into an adult man who is completely helpless
You’re not helpless.
>and resists any outside help either consciously or unconsciously
You replied to my message so this clearly isn’t true either.
Work on challenging these inaccurate negative thoughts. Even if your replace them with things that aren't necessarily positive to begin with i.e. "sometimes I can resist outside help and I need to work on this".

More incoming.

>>11175083
>Seriously has anyone got over depression?
No because depression is caused by our fucking society.

>>11175463
Depression is caused by society but I have overcome it. You have to claw tooth and nail to improve your life in the modern world.

>>11175431
>>11175434
>>11175456
Thanks for this insight. I wouldn't have come across these words myself. I will save them in a document for future reference.

>>11174925
>Is there a cure for deep depression?
do you have a reason to be depressed? if not are you eating a good diet and exercising with a diverse range of hobbies and friends? if you're depressed without any reason to be and have a healthy lifestyle and have tried ssris for longer than 3 months consistently with no relief look into ketamine treatment, if you're depressed with no reason to be but don't exercise, spend all your time online and eat junk food all the time then that's your reason, a flowchart would probably do well here

>>11175470
Thanks, just knowing someone can, can be a great help.

homosexuality

>>11175363
Let’s challenge some more negative thoughts.
>I have great difficulties learning and retaining information
Clearly not true. You’re OP was about a proposed subatomic particle right? I doubt you were just larping. You actually read and understand this sort of material right? How about… “sometimes I find retaining information difficult” Yeah, if you’re studying advanced physics math and science, no shit.
In regard to your purported lack of drive you can work on this. Victor Frankl was paraphrasing Nietzsche when he said that a man with a why can bear almost any how. Write a life plan. Seriously. What have you got to lose? The worst that could happen is that you don’t manage to accomplish what you set out to. So what?

You’re going to have to change your ways and I believe you can. If you keep doing what you’ve always done you keep getting what you’ve always got. I assume you are being supported by a spouse of family member? Take this time to strategise.
What are your thoughts about what I’ve said so far?

People seem to be appreciating what I'm laying down. Happy to offer further advice to anyone that wants it. I need to go for a walk now however as I feel my back getting sore from prolonged computer use. I try to walk an hour a day and I strongly recommend it, especially to anyone suffering from depression or weight related issues. Peace out. Back soon.

>>11175483
>homosexuality
What about it?

>>11175486
It's true and I've heard it in some slice or another many times. I'm just lazy. I glazed over a news headline about my OP image and decided to include it because it's /sci/ related. Thanks for telling me this because I probably couldn't have organized this kind of thinking in my head.

>>11175506
No worries man. I'll be back in an hour if you want to talk about whatever.

my cure is playing extreme/progressive metal drums

>>11175265
No, the world is composed of little balls that get attracted to each other by little balls AND sometimes the balls seem to be waves.

>>11175473
this shows my point a lot better

>>11174925
stop being depressed, unironically the only solution

t. shrink

>>11175515
Nice, I'm a drummer too. I was in metalcore and deathcore bands in high school. How are your blast beats and double bass?

I'm back if anyone wants further advice or to chat about whatever

>>11175498
it's gay, is it not?

>>11175621
I suppose by definition? Unless you mean in the colloquial sense of "bad" in which case homosexuality isn't gay at all.

Here is the cure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qqt-D7RPQyw

>>11175530
Based

>>11174925
>>11175363
The simplest way is to brainwash yourself.
1) Decide who you want to be
2) Plan the steps to achieve that
3) Change environment and start building your new self

It is necessary to change environment and sever ties for as long as it takes for the new you to take over.
The reason why that's hard is because your current personality is rooted in memories, so every interaction with past information can deter your efforts, this is why when they brainwash people they cut them from their familiar surroundings.

Take on meditation to calm your mind, repeat affirmations/mantras to yourself about what/who you want to be (it's important at a subconscious level).
Realize that's there's nothing to be depressed about as long as you're alive and healthy.
Building up confidence will improve your realiability.
If your memory sucks, take notes and make todo lists.
Take on a easy hobby from which you can attain self gratification.
When interacting with others be who you want to be, fake it till you make it.
Force yourself to see from other people POV, even if you decide to be come a sociopath that knowledge will help you.

The mind is a flexible thing, you can take whatever approach you want.
You can try little by little, you can go straight actor pretending to be your new self until you actually become it, you can train a thoughtform with the traits you desire and "give up" command.
Just in case, I'd suggest you to learn how to use a pendulum so you can talk to your subconscious, this is a job that requires all of yourself to walk the path.

Some general advice, walk at least 2km a day, eat varied food, drink only water.
You can even learn to control your emotions directly, it's just like a muscle. If you have a crippling depression just force your brain to experience happines, although, the correct way is removing the cause of depression.
Everything is a tool, use what you can according to needs.

Good luck anon.

>>11175525
Always hilarious when retards who think they know something are trying to lecture you. How do these balls get attracted to each other in your retarded conceptualization? Let me guess some force ah yes a force it just be like that. Great explanation. Go learn some QFT you retarded little dunning kruger shitkid.

>>11175828
>thoughtform
>use a pendulum so you can talk to your subconscious
Avoid this sort of woo in my opinion. Otherwise very solid advice.

>>11174970
Those who unfortunately survived.

>>11175847
I'm suggesting it because there's no guarantee that and individual has a stable subconscious, it may be necessary to compromise, which requires communication.
It's hard to do things when your own subconscious is sabotaging you.
I myself find the pendulum useful when I'm stuck between two choices, and for making work estimates. Just feed your subconscious all the information and let it do the calculations.

The way the brain works is not as simple and definite as some would like to think.
Getting to understand oneself can only lead to improvement.
Just avoid getting into preternatural bullshit. Your subconcious may end up playing along and start pulling up crap from its ass.
And if your subconscious is crazy or delusional, welp, that's one of the compromise scenarios I guess.

One should aim to strike a positive balance.

>>11174925
Lead poison has been shown to be an effective treatment.

>>11175610
I'm working on SYL's All Hail the New flesh right now. Bomb blasts are so fun to play, working on heel toe double bass as well.
Have fun bro!

>>11176719
Based Cronenberg reference track title

>>11174927
Unless we’re in a simulation

>>11177064
Did someone say cronenberg?

>>11174925
Yeah stop caring about how you feel about shit. Your brain is overreacting and creating scenarios in your schizo mindscape to be sad about. It's okay to be sad. It's okay to be depressed. Acknowledge and move on.

>>11175265
Thinking of particles as balls in 2019, you need to be at least 18 to post here kiddo

>>11177247
>Yeah stop caring about how you feel about shit.

when i do that people yell at me.

>>11174925
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>>11177361
>>11177366

not funny

>>11177371
Neither's the show.

>>11177377

i can take it or leave it. the episode where morty's grandfather got cucked by some random nig was kind of fucked up though. it's no more full of bullshit than anything else on tv though.

>>11177389
it's a fucking great show

>>11177391

pilot was decent, went downhill from there.

>>11177397
bullshit, i'm thoroughly entertained every episode. you're just a faggot

>>11177403

it should have been more about the action and scify. the entire tone of the show changed after the pilot. it devolved into a stale, mediocre comedy where cuckoldry is taken seriously but existential questions aren't.

>>11174927
Friend of a friend was shot 7 times in the chest and legs and once to the back of the head. His walk is as fucked as his face, but he's alive.

>>11177418
cont.

and why does every show end up like this? morally empty and with the worst sort of humor.

>>11177422
>morally empty and with the worst sort of humor.
/b/ro i don't know wtf you're watching but the whole show delves extremely deeply into real personal relationship dynamics, emotional development, and emotional manipulation. every episode is a winning treat of peculiarity

I thought you guys were smart

>>11177468
LOL THIS FUKKEN GUY

>>11177465

no it doesn't. the characters fight over petty and retarded nonsense. the show isn't about life or people. it panders to silly women and gen-z.

>>11177493
>the characters fight over petty and retarded nonsense
> the show isn't about life or people
these statements do not succeed. the most abundant thing people do in their miserable fucking lives is fester over petty and retarded nonsense. at least in america

>>11177524
>these statements do not succeed. the most abundant thing people do in their miserable fucking lives is fester over petty and retarded nonsense. at least in america

excuse me sir, i think you forgot your hat

>>11177423
Killing him now would be an act of mercy

>>11175610
>metalcore
>deathcore

Gay as fuck desu. Real men listen to black metal, sludge, and hardcore.

>>11177423
Why was he shot?

>>11174925
exersize, healthy eating, minimizing drugs alcohol and pornography, meditation, and striving to achieve attainable life goals.
we have been over this many times but you won't listen.

>>11174927
it doesn't even have a 100% kill rate, much less a 100% depression elimination rate

Why does everyone think depression is just "I don't like X about my life"?
Successful people will get depressed, loved people will get depressed.
Depression doesn't come solely from unhealthy lifestyle.
In any case, a bit more exposure to the sun might help a bit.

i think i've probably been depressed for many years but i don't have the willpower to check for sure, just buying groceries is hard enough

>>11180459
Because that's what depression means to the type of normie with inflated self-importance who feels like they're qualified to tell everybody on the Internet how they're just living their lives wrong. They get sad because they're unemployed with no girlfriend so they get a job and a girlfriend and now they're happy. Therefore this is how it must work for everybody.

>>11175266
>Cannabis withdrawl
u fucking wot

>>11174970
>Be Ludwig Boltzmann
>Be absolutely correct about particles composing the universe rather than ether/energy
>Brainlet Physicists won't accept your theory
>Kill yourself
>Get proven right 2 years later

.. Social interest and investment, personality, attractiveness, skillfulness, anatomy, energy levels, and other aspects of genetic expression are basing on nutriments, a most simple, logical method of cellular energy / youth.

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