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11133423 No.11133423[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

If there is no incentive to cure disease under capitalism why has not a single country in the rest of the world who all have socialized medicine?

>> No.11133433

>>11133423
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>> No.11133439

>>11133423
Socialized medicine is used to mark people psychopaths and give people free way to remove people.

Do you want to be sick?

>> No.11133448

>>11133423
true
if we had a vaccine or a cure against dental caries
as it stands now, 99% of dentists would be out of work overnight
haha imagine that haha

>> No.11133525

>>11133433
Time to sleep it off pal.

>> No.11133733

>>11133433
why hasn't even a not country would have not?

>> No.11133735

>>11133448
thats not how it works. smart and self motivated people would apply their skills elsewhere. medical or not.

>> No.11133743

>>11133423
American socialists are conspiratards on the same level as any lizard people believer, and that kind of world view needs severe americentricism to function.

>> No.11133760

>>11133423

Have you read the book the giver? Well as you try to find stuff to meet your desired standard of performance by taking it for granted. You’ll realize in theory they haven’t changed for the past 70 years or so or have revolutionized. It’s just static. Everything we are or could be measured from its principle.

From this permissive point first world countries are war zones trying to find third world countries to be backed by. The general rule that applies is you shall only see within the paradigms it has set so things or people are not taken for granted. Nor they too shall see their loss. We are in a state of war and competition, there are remote copies, truths, lies, pays and wages; broken hearts along this battlefield. General sympathy: If you say you love me why do you recreate me, if I loved you for yourself. Death is not a forgiveness, to say you shall murder is to believe you forgot. Make them cry for everything they miss.

>> No.11133787

>>11133423
US leads the world in medical research. Socialized medicine is good when it comes to ensuring access (and by this I mean universal healthcare, not single payer). It is not so good in funding R&D, tough.

>> No.11134448

>>11133525
Time to lurk moar pal.

>> No.11134464

oh

>> No.11134503

>>11133423
Because they don't have a substantial underclass who don't pay taxes so they can afford it ... for now.

>> No.11134509

>>11134503
Also, the U.S. basically pays for their defense through NATO.

>> No.11134554

>>11133439
that's true but it also does some bad things

>> No.11134583
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>>11133787
>US leads the world in medical research. Socialized medicine is good when it comes to ensuring access (and by this I mean universal healthcare, not single payer). It is not so good in funding R&D, tough.

???

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>>11133787

$0.05 has been deposited into your account. Thank you for supporting United Healthcare! For every ten dollars you raise shilling, you will be sent one (1) executive boot of your preferred flavor!

>> No.11134625

>>11133423
If this is AI, not bad. It could be easily confused with a confused human. Otherwise, for your own sake get help.

>> No.11134627

>>11133423
What the actual fuck does this have to do with science or math?

>> No.11134705

>>11134583
way to carefully select the range and the scale so
a 2 year difference looks like half life

>> No.11134709

>>11133423
What the fuck are you trying to say

>> No.11134718

>>11134627
What the actual fuck does this have to do with anything? What is anon even trying to say???

>> No.11134727

>>11134448
Maybe you should lurk less.

>> No.11134730

>>11134727
Never seen this comeback. Nice, good one.

>> No.11134732

>>11134727
based

>> No.11134823

>11134727
>11134730
>11134732
These posters are zoomers.

>> No.11134846

>11134823
This poster is a faggot.

>> No.11134868

>>11133423
the ussr's 'unprofitable' bacteriophage research is what will save you when capitalist antibiotics stop working

also head transplants because seems like a good idea to central commttee tovarisch `\(ツ)/'

>> No.11134885

>>11134823
What is a zoomer?

>> No.11134906

>>11134885
It’s new “4channel lingo” which means someone who can run really really fast

>> No.11135089

>>11134906
Not funny.
>>11134885
It is one who loves animals.

>> No.11135255

Remember that time the Polio Vaccine was suppressed because it would destroy the iron lung industry. Fucking capitalism.

>> No.11135298

>>11133423
Based /pol/tard

>> No.11135396

>>11134583
somewhat misleading, americans lead VERY unhealthy lifestyles

>> No.11135414
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>>11133423
false
There is no incentive to PUBLICLY release cured diseases under capitalism
Do you think the rich donates hundreds of millions to hospitals just for funsies?
If a cure for cancer required full genome sequencing, advanced nano technology, intensive monitoring by top rated scientists and multiple physicians costing several millions that 99.9% of the population could not afford, why would they release it? It would cause overnight riots and instant collapse of society.

>> No.11135465

>>11133423
>no incentive to cure disease under capitalism
competition. *true* competition will force firms to create better solutions than their competitor.
this is economics 101 level basic stuff,
op should be ashamed

>> No.11135466

>>11134617
>Heehehehe if you don’t hate your government with rage you are a boot licker

>> No.11135468

>>11135255
It would probably happen tpoday

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11135471

Holy Cow! Lambkins Jesus got that thread deleted in about 0.00001 seconds, neh?

>> No.11135490

>>11134617
opiate shill, fuck off

>> No.11135586 [DELETED] 

>>11135490
Opiates are geret, you know?

>> No.11135656

>>11135255
A capitalist society is the reason a polio vaccine was discovered in the first place.

>> No.11135661

>>11134868
How will bacteriophage therapy work within the human body, which would presumably see the phages for what they are -- invading microbes?

>> No.11135690

>>11135471
Mmm.

>> No.11135722

>>11133735
>smart and self motivated people
>dentists

>> No.11135795

>>11133423
give examples of which countries you're talking about. Capitalist countries can also have socialized medicine (see all of Europe) so I'm not sure what you're referring to.

>> No.11135806

Came here to say that most of big pharmas spending in the US goes toward marketing. Not even really R&D

Past pharma employee here. Terrible field. 0/10 would not do again.

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>>11135806
>Not even really R&D
the only reason they spend so much is because they were forced to pay billions to socialist governments to bribe them to allow their product on the market so it's no surprise they have to shill it as hard as they can because they automatically have to spend billions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm_under_guidance

pharma companies USED SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT to block reversible vasectomies to protect hormonal birth control profits

SOCIALISM CREATES MONOPOLY, MONOPOLY CREATES HIGHER COSTS ALONG WITH REGULATION

many of the same meds that cost hundreds of dollars in america are nearly free in mexico because they have a FREER MARKET

>> No.11136131

>>11135845
kek
>literally free research paid for by tax payer money
>regulations avoid yome jewery that can kill thousands of people
>most profitable industry on earth
>exploit people with privatization of healthcare
>still finds a way to complain and lie by saying other's market is freer and socialism is responsible for monopolies while companies in the US are literal textbook examples of monopoly in capitalism

>> No.11136227

>>11133423
Here in Canada all the socialized health care is good for is going in for check-ups and getting broken bones fixed. Still have to pay for hospital beds, ambulances, medications, full physicals, anything dental, and anything that counts as a meal if you're in the hospital for a procedure, among other things. The incentive of making money isn't there for physicians either (clinics have a small patient maximum per day), and desu my motto is along the lines of "if something's seriously wrong with you in canada - you're mostly on your own"

I don't think any of the taxes go towards research.

>> No.11136414

>>11136227
most research is done in universities, ie public funding.

>> No.11136418

>>11133439
[citation needed]

>> No.11138045

>>11133423
>there is no incentive to cure disease under capitalism
?

>> No.11138104

>>11134727
took note.

>> No.11138119

>>11133423
Are you a retard?

>> No.11138129

>>11133423
capitalism is literally the only reason people cure diseases.

>> No.11138131

>>11134730
>>11134732
>>11138104
Thanks dudes. I don't know why one should be proud of thousands of hours of 4chan practice.

>> No.11138137

>>11133448
99% of cavities are due to sugar. Archeological evidence shows that even ancient peoples had better teeth than a lot of modern ones just because they didn't have access to processed sugar. If you drop it entirely, you can probably just brush once a day for the rest of your life and never get another cavity

>> No.11138144

>>11138137
Forgot to mention potatoes too. I love potatoes, but the starch in them is just as bad for your teeth

>> No.11138177

>>11138144
so the irish must have had great teeth?