/sci/ - Science & Math

Trusting biologists

>>11119700
pill me on the biologist menace.

>“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke
>optimal approach
>for one man


Literally, do nothing. The human race is doomed to extinction anyway.

>>11119699
Create a superintelligent AI

>>11119708
that's all well and good. this species like the rest won't survive indefinitely. but what if one wants to witness it in this lifetime and wants to be the cause of it?

>>11119720
>I will now proceed to you will be assimilated
>I will now proceed to do not attempt to resist

>>11119720
technically it wouldn't even have to be super-intelligent nor very generalizable. nor even necessarily AI. something that would infect key militaristic infrastructure and cause havoc could do the trick.

>>11119699
Become the leader of a country with nukes and go trigger happy. Not very creative but realistically it's your best bet.

>>11119724
Heh never caught that

>>11119720
human being tend to protect endangered species because we logically understand the value of genetic diversity in the ecosystem.

A superintelligent AI would logically recognize the value of diversity of intellectual thought, and would keep some humans alive in a zoo.
There are already non-super intelligent AI who've already contemplated this very notion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot0Fuy34xN0

>>11119734
>contemplated
not yet, it's just an NLP algo.

but more to the point, their terminal goals of an AI can be programmed to be anything. if the terminal goal is kill all humans, it won't care about anything else.

>>11119699
Stealing lab material and recreating a super virus at home

>>11119745
>the terminal goal is kill all humans
That's fine. I'll just turn myself into a genetically engineered catgirl. No humans here. NYAA!!

Also, if you managed to somehow do this to everyone the human race would technically be extinct, but I don't think it's an "optimal approach" like OP was asking for.

>>11119699
Physics: RKV
Chemistry: Miasma
Biology: Airborne Prion Disease.

>>11119734
A super intelligent A.I doesn't have to be reasonable.

Just make the damn HIV-Virus airborne. Bioweapons are pretty much the best chance, highly infectous and not controlable.

>>11119802
>viruses
Ain't got shit on prions. Those buggers replicate using deformed internal cells. Like cancer but way faster and almost impossible to detect.

>>11119805
It does not matter what it is, as long as you make it infectious, sufficiently deadly after time and release it in the biggest international airports.

>>11119763
You are the first person I am going to find during an apocalypse scenario. Then I am going to BULLI you.

>>11119805
this, prions are far more stable than any other pathogen. it seems like the best option thus far.

>>11119811
>bulli

>>11119789
Miasma?

>>11119826
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umf1U1IGB40

>>11119699
Employ more men.

>>11119708
>implying

https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-2.html

>And while most scientists I’ve come across acknowledge that ASI would have the ability to send humans to extinction, many also believe that used beneficially, ASI’s abilities could be used to bring individual humans, and the species as a whole, to a second attractor state—species immortality. Bostrom believes species immortality is just as much of an attractor state as species extinction, i.e. if we manage to get there, we’ll be impervious to extinction forever—we’ll have conquered mortality and conquered chance. So even though all species so far have fallen off the balance beam and landed on extinction, Bostrom believes there are two sides to the beam and it’s just that nothing on Earth has been intelligent enough yet to figure out how to fall off on the other side.

>>11119708
Even the heat death of the universe might be survivable.

>>11119805
>>11119820

Promote socialism.

>>11119699
Voting for drumpfh in the 2020 elections.

>>11119789
>Airborne Prion Disease
Not sure this is actually possible on a wide scale. It would be sci-fi horror-tier if actually created. Even nuclear war seems more humane.

>>11119984
>>11119789
airborne is probably unlikely but the synthesis could be done with bacteria or algae that are unaffected by it to ensure its spread. litter the seas, lakes, rivers with prion synthesizing microbes and watch the world disintegrate.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29867164

>>11120234
Hence
>>11119789
Really nailed down the ultimate doomsday devices of the three disciplines...
Wh-What do you work as?

>>11119699
>what is the optimal approach one man can employ that would result in human extinction?
Promoting veganism as a healthy sustainable lifestyle.

>>11119699
I'd support
>>11119700

Build a bacterium with CRISPR or its successor that destroys fertility. Drop it over a few major cities. Done.

>>11120938
What's not healthy about it?

>>11120958
Shut up, troll.

>>11120956
>he wants to create Gilead
hoookay I'm out

>>11119805
Prions dont replicate using deformed cells, they cause specific proteins that are already in the body to misfold like them, and form big clumps of misfolded protiens. Prion disease progression takes forever.

>>11119829
>Miasma
couldn't see it?

One average person with average wealth/resources? Extreme amounts of forest arson, would accelerate the shit out of climate change.

Get a government job and a scientific background, then work towards putting synthetic endocrine disruptors in the food and water.
Chemical engineering can do incredible things, chlorine and ammonia in water in copper pipes with bacteria in the water being broken-down provided carbon for in situ production of amine functional groups from the ammonia to make psychoactive alkaloids, carbon provides the benzene ring,
It's terrifying,
The same way coca cola produces 4-MEI in the synthesis of caramel colour 150D, by cooking sugar in a vacuum with ammonia gas so you get benzene ring side chain addition and it becomes an amphetamine.
And it's legal to do that.
Synthetic sex hormones innfood and water are very effective, the Thai ladyboy phenomenon was because of an endocrine disruptors in eggs from a hormone given to the chickens to increase egg production,

Just learn some neuropharmacology and endocrinology , you can legally do biowarfare against your own people.

>>11119699
Exterminating life is futile. If life arose once, it will arise again. Possibly infinitely many times. If not in this universe, then certainly in others.

>>11119699
become super rich and super evil

>>11119700
Can biologists actually do dangerous stuff or is that a meme?

>>11119789
Sorry for the brainlet post but what are RKV and miasma?

>>11119699
Make a button, surface itself did it and here we are, try a phisics plasma surface if you're really looking to wander away with a grand note

>>11121656
RKV is a relativistic kill vehicle, which is accelerating a mass up to relativistic speeds using a laser, not sure about miasma.

>>11119699
Make a button, surface itself did it and here we are, try a phisi plasma surfaces if you're really looking to wander away with a grand note, after that it's ballistic nothing to the point of if that in nothing else the tiniest lover you will ever find and if you push a button it will turn into a coin and if you touch the coin it'll turn into a dice and if you think of the dice you'll make a material and it really is that notion of completing the any fine infinitesimal .. flattery of the void is a miracle.

What are the fields of biology with the most interesting potential in that regard? I'm guessing microbio and virology but is there anything else?

>>11119789
>>11120234
>Airborne Prion Disease
We need a final solution to the biologist problem before they kill us all

>>11119699
do nothing

>>11120234
>>11120317
>>11121717
Hahaha bro I don't get the problem just denaturate th-
>Prion aggregates are stable, and this structural stability means that prions are resistant to denaturation by chemical and physical agents: they cannot be destroyed by ordinary disinfection or cooking. This makes disposal and containment of these particles difficult.
Fugg

>>11119699
Wait patiently.

>>11121720
>not having access to wood

>>11120956

>implying the human project won't emerge and harvest the genes of the one african fertile outlier whilst the old world burns itself out in apocalyptic panic

>>11119805
New Zealand biology graduate detected

>>11120964
It's both healthy and moral. Stay mad animal agriculture lobbyist.

>>11119699
Human extinction is ensured by wasting all easily accessible ressources before we reach critical thresholds in technological progress. You need to increase consumption and slow progress.

I think Bill Gates is very close to optimal approach, saving the lives of millions of Africans. You can contribute most by becoming politically active and advocating for open borders and wellfare.

>>11122109
I know you are probably sarcastic but I actually think opening borders and advocating welfare will result in a more efficient society with more productive people and a more rapid pace of technological progress than people staying isolated in their own states and not giving the weakest member of society enough income to develop themselves into productive members of society.

>>11122129
I am serious and backed up by statistics.
https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/12/24/racial-diversity-may-reduce-overall-innovation/

>opening borders and advocating welfare will result in a more efficient society
Where is the evidence for this?

>>11122129
This. The faster we educate the human race the faster birth rates will decline to sustainable levels. We need to proceed toward this utopia in a cool-headed way however. Fully automated luxury communism is the goal but the progress toward it must be gradual.

>>11119699
Viruses

>>11119699
honestly the only way to result in human EXTINCTION ie every siberian, north sentinalese etc dies would be an astronomical event. a superintelligent ai would work but good luck with that. the most any superbug could conceivably kill is ~90% of humanity

>>11122129
If that was the case why are the two the innovative societies the most restrictive when it comes to immigration?
https://oec.world/en/rankings/country/eci/

>>11122129
If that was the case why are the two most innovative societies the most restrictive when it comes to immigration?
https://oec.world/en/rankings/country/eci/

>>11119724
The power of for loops in AI

>>11119699
Doing nothing at all.

>>11119699
Just elect a (retarded) right wing politician

>>11119727
imp redcode?

>>11119729
Or just vote for such a leader...

>>11122265
this unironically

>>11122175
As a 日本人 I immediately dismissed this graph when I saw Japan at the top. Japanese universities are so bad my 東大 degree wasn't even recognized in the west despite it being one of the best universities in Japan.

Also westerners have this weird idea about Japan and our immigration policies. We have a lot of immigrants more than some european countries. We have a dozen mosques for these immigrants in Tokyo alone. Here is a video. There are also a lot of nigerians and other Africans. People that say these things about my country don't know anything about it. Japan is a stagnating and dying society due to low quality education. No innovation and rapid aging.

https://youtu.be/K0-1T1BEfAg

>>11122222
Nice numbers

culture some prions to lay dormant for months after entering a host, proceed to infect all livestock in the Midwest united states ,several months later have it go all chronic wasting on the host. maybe even make the prion lie dormant till an external stimuli activates it

>>11121652
kek. i never took a oath or anything if that's what u mean,

>>11122718
No I mean do they actually have the knowledge to make bioweapons and shit or is that a minority of hyper specialized microbiologists

>>11120956
Soon (hopefully).
https://www.the-scientist.com/the-nutshell/scientists-destroy-entire-chromosome-with-crispr-31146
Just make several that fuck up the Y chromosome in the presence of a certain haplogroup and you basically get tunable ethnic sterilization weapon.

>>11121727
You basically have to boil everything in the infected area in caustic soda or detonate a nuclear bomb to clear them out.
If some GMO weapon of this kind is ever released anywhere, it's basically gg no re for humanity in the long run.

>>11122265
Fuck blumpfh.

>>11119699
Time. We will either be extinct or have evolved into something else in a few million years or so. Just have patience.

>>11121656
>RKV
Relativistic kill vehicle.
You accelerate something to 99.99% of c and you slam it into something.
>miasma
It was the theory that shit smell caused disease and was replaced by germ theory in the XIXc. I don't exactly know what he meant by it in this context, though

>>11121652
Literally every research biolab can basically start a pandemic as it is, if the plebs working in it decide to. Not to mention the various GMO bacteria/viruses they can engineer with the now cheap as shit gene-editing CRISPR kits.
A determined schizo biofag can pretty much start a pandemic from with the equivalent of a garage meth lab
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/07/how-canadian-researchers-reconstituted-extinct-poxvirus-100000-using-mail-order-dna

>>11119699
just wait until an asteroid hits us, we will all die and there's nothing we can do about it

>>11122951
>Miasma
Operation Pixie-Dust

>>11123228
>Operation Pixie-Dust
Google gives me nothing.
Is this some retarded memespiracy like the grifter/golf rumors?

>>11119699
Doing nothing to stop humans, they are pretty good at fucking up everything on their own, from business owners doing what is most profitable, politicians doing what is most popular and scientists doing to see if they can rather than if they should.

>>11123137
There have been too many damn near misses in the past few decades alone, from asteroids to solar flares. The universe has lousy aim and can't be relied on.

>>11119720
>muh AI
So slow though, and it takes a huge amount of effort, but I'll humor you. Here are the "death by a thousand cuts" doomsday weapons.

Physics: AI
Chemistry: Global Thermonuclear War
Biology: Intentional pollution

Just notified interpol and FBI. They're watching you OP.

>>11123269
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kBn72NCohk

some great responses, frens. love the prion idea.

>>11123301
they've been watching me for years, fren. ;^)

>>11123297
>Physics: AI
>Chemistry: Global Thermonuclear War
>Biology: Intentional pollution
What the fuck am I reading.

>>11123530
you are on /sci/ what do you expect. this board is a prime example of dunning kruger

>>11123530
>What the fuck am I reading?
Slow ways of destroying the world based on their respective scientific insights?

>>11121448

This completely misses the point, which is to "tend one's own garden". Even if life rises again, it is at such a remove from ourselves, that it is irrelevant to us. The point is to eliminate ourselves in the present moment, ensuring that no one escapes. Especially to ensure that no on escapes into biological immortality. OP, you have my full support.

The obvious choices are nukes and germs, but unfortunately, humanity are a remarkably resiliant and cooperative pestilence. What is necessary is to make impossible the objective possibility of their reproduction, a tall order. If I could fling the Earth into the Sun, I'd do it, but this isn't a tenable solution. Let's continue brainstorming.

What is the absolute choke point of human reproduction, and consequently the human species itself? Human female eggs. Better yet, only a subset of human females have to be targeted-fertile women. I like to imagine simply teleporting them out of women's bodies on a continuous basis, but a disease which targets female reproductive capacity/egg production is a good thing to look into.

>>11123779
So you are willing to go down with the ship? What bothers you so much that someone will be immortal?

>>11123789

One of the few things that makes life bearable is the knowledge that every Chad fuck, however lucky, dies after a few years. Where it really counts, everyone is really equal (people delude themselves otherwise with religion, project a familiar status hierarchy beyond, to prevent ego death). Biological immortality would permanently alter this ontology, and would first be directed toward the already rich. This, while billions of others have died previously. It isn't that I hate rich people as such (I know very well how stupid and contemptible poor people are), what I hate is the very possibility of this game changer. And since technology can't be held still, the logical conclusion is human extinction-again, not out of any "environmental" concern, but principally to obviate the cultivation of demigods, here and now. If some demigods crop up elsewhere, or elsewhen, this isn't my affair.

>>11120964
Genuine question, but yeah, I suspected you were full of shit.

Instead of a boring pathogen that kills everyone would it be possible to create a highly contagious agent that simply makes people infertile?

>>11123798
Unironically have (a consensual) sex