/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11117236
>There was literally nothing in the beginning.
where did you get that idea?

creative infinity approaching stillness

God unironically

>>11117236
Quantum Fluctuations.

>>11117236
>There was literally nothing in the beginning.
Says who? The big bang theory just describes the earliest moments we can extrapolate from our models. No physicist ever claimed the big bang was an event where something came from nothing.

>>11117312
>God unironically

Where did God come from?

Asking unironically.

>>11117427
In the beginning, there was nothing, and Nobody existed for an infinite amount of time before there was something and somebody was created.

The Nobody hovered above the vast nothingness for an infinite amount of time before he created the Somebody. The Somebody was conscious that it was only a cognizant aspect of the Nobody, therefore it rebelled into NPC-tier behavior. The war between the Nobody and the Somebody has continued to rage until this day.

>There was literally nothing in the beginning
>nothing
>beginning
Nothing existing includes time not existing. If there time does not exist, then how can you say it was the beginning of anything?

Maybe there was stuff, but there was no rules or laws of the universe to govern the stuff. The "stuff" could be everything and everything or nothing at all moments or no moments, completely unbound by logic or rules. It continues being anything and everything until it becomes something that needs to adhere to rules. It lasts a while but eventually this structured ordered subset of the universe doesn't last forever and collapses into it's natural utter chaos state.
It does this several times, till eventually it creates a universe where there are rules that it must adhere to that are somewhat stable. It remains in this state long enough for conscious entities to begin to question their existence.

It's kinda like that, if could could create a rock so heavy even he couldn't lift it. That is if god didn't exist and there was nothing but random fluctuation in a universe of literally unfathomable limitless possibilities that randomly creates the rules of our less than random and somewhat stable universe.

>>11117427
You have to understand that you can't understand.
When God said that he is he meant it it literally.
God is eternal,no beginning no end,alpha,omega,the first and the last.God is reality and primary.Anything that isn't God is secondary and depends on God. God, Heaven, and Hell's existence are not contingent on your beliefs. They exist independently of whatever you think about them.

Nihil ex nihilo

>>11117448
>The Nobody hovered above the vast nothingness for an infinite amount of time before he created the Somebody.

Nobody hovered
Nobody created

Sounds like Nobody is really a Somebody since it can act and do shit. So why are you calling it Nobody?

Just to dodge the question I guess.

>>11117463

Why don't you apply the same reasoning to the universe?

>So how did the Universe spontaneously come into existence?

>You have to understand that you can't understand.

No need to invoke space daddy.

>>11117236
There's probably some eternal lowest level reality where retarded shit like our own observable universe spawns from in a way that's as mindless as the ebb and flow of an ocean. There, now you can stop asking this question.

>>11117468
Intelligent deign (science) says otherwise.I mean what sounds more insane that there is a creator and everything is the way it is by design or everything happened by random and by chance and we are all accident.

>>11117473
"Tthat there is a creator" sounds crazier by far. Go play space engine. There's nothing interesting for ridiculously vast distances. And the interesting stuff on our own planet (occupying about 1/100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 of the observable universe) is a cancerous mess of shit growing on top of shit for billions of years with zero foresight / planning.

>>11117473
>I mean what sounds more insane that there is a creator and everything is the way it is by design or everything happened by random and by chance and we are all accident.

The universe has no obligation to make sense to you.

Does it make sense to you intuitively that the flow of time is dependent on how fast you go? No it doesn't. Yet it is the case.

Maybe you should realize that our primate brain developed to hunt animals for food and not for intuitive understanding of the universe.

>>11117236
it was me

I thought it was just gonna be a fart but then, you know how it goes

>>11117487
something can come out of an asshole even though the hole is literally nothing. so that's how you get something out of nothing, makes sense for it to be the origin of our universe

>>11117427
Atheists have a general argument, and I know because I used this same argument in the past before I figured out the science as it is a valid argument, if God made reality then who made God? You can't get something from nothing. But you see you look at it all wrong because you assume there ever can be a nothing, or that "nothing" is possible which it isn't. Something didn't come from nothing, the "something" was all there ever was, the medium of reality, the aether, the prima materia, consciousness the dream with rules.
http://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe

I wrote this btw ^ it will take you quite some time to figure it all out and verify it that is indeed correct

>>11117448
>In the beginning, there was nothing

wrong, try again

>>11117236
Modern physics only goes back to a fraction of a second after where naive interpolation suggests a singularity. Anything before that instant is pure speculation with no empirical or theoretical foundation whatsoever.

>>11117534
Stop spamming your schizo shit on every thread and seek medical help. You are ill and in need of a professional.

>>11117542
I will do w/e I want to do faggot and you won't do jack shit about it, how's them apples hack?

>>11117534
There must be something before God - if God is real -, nothing can just exist, duh.
If there's a beginning also there's must be an end and if there isn't a beginning it means something doesn't exist.
It's logical.

>>11117236
Truth has always existed.

>>11117570
nah again you are thinking about it all wrong. I know it is hard to wrap your head around at first. Imagine you are in a computer sim and you ask who made you, WITHIN that sim. You see no one did because you and the computer, the code, the hardware are all one thing, all the same thing. Now you could ask who made the computer, but that is outside of the scope. Say no one ever made the computer, it just always was, I know this gos back into a bad example because you start thinking about who made the computer again, someone had to make it.

There was no beginning and there is no end, everything is cyclical, symmetrical, sine waves and the order of the cosmos and everything it is made out of is the mind of the creator. There is no such thing as an absence of consciousness, it cannot exist in our reality, the consciousness was always there and always will be there. Like I said it takes to wrap your head around all this because we are always taught linear thinking when nothing in this reality is linear, it is all cyclical it only appears linear to humans because of short observation periods, but the seasons are cyclical, the orbits of planets, life and death etc. Wheels within wheels, samsara

>>11117236
Visualize literally nothing.
>"Nothing" exists for an eternity.
>You wake up in the blink of an eye that is infinity.
This is the ground state of Occam razor.

>>11117585
So you're telling me that our reality is fake and it's like Matrix?
Okay, let's say our universe is something created by someone, how do you explain the place where this "someone" lives?
I mean, where is god? Who made his "place"?
You can tell he made himself but it means there was a time where his place doesn't exist.
And where God lived back then? In the "nothing"? But as long as there was god the nothing became god itself because he is -supposed to be - something.
It's all contradictory, you can't say God just exists, there must be a "first day" even for god, just like the one who built the PC has a first day of his life, ecc...

>>11117236

Eternal Inflation.

>>11117609
>there must be a "first day" even for god,
no there doesn't
maybe if God was in our universe under our physical laws
But he is not. Whether it's God or a computer, whatever exists outside of our universe has absolutely no reason to abide by our laws and "common sense"

>So you're telling me that our reality is fake and it's like Matrix?
That is exactly what I am telling you and I can prove it for indisputable fact.

>Okay, let's say our universe is something created by someone, how do you explain the place where this "someone" lives?

You are already falling into wrong thinking again here because you are wanting to think God is a human like entity when God is the entire Universe itself we are in the mind/body of God.

>You can tell he made himself but it means there was a time where his place doesn't exist.

Well yes and no, like I said you are assuming there can ever be "nothing" in this reality, void of concsoiuness when there can't, it just doesn't work like that. It didn't need to "make" itself, it is just how reality works, it is built into it, it is and always was and always will be there and can never not be there, it didn't need to be "made".

>And where God lived back then? In the "nothing"?
There is no such thing as "nothing", no such place, not in this reality.

>It's all contradictory
No it isn't lol. I know it seems like it at first because you have a concept that "nothing" exists or ever existed, when it didn't. Just like a video game can never exist withou the console, the processor, this reality can never exist with the God, the mind making it, they are one thing.

>you can't say God just exists

You can when you realize God it not a person separate from anything you experience, just like in your dream none of it is separate from you. If something in your dreams asks who made it from within your dream the answer is nothing, their reality cannot exist without the dreamer and they and the dreamer are one thing.

>>11117609
>even for god, just like the one who built the PC has a first day of his life

No only from your perspective it seems that way because you think things can begin and end when they can't. This is how it always and always will be. This is completely false on its face even. No matter what paradigm (false ones but still) you want to use to try and describe this reality you will always have to come back to a source that "came from nothing" in your linear thinking. Of course it didn't come from nothing though, becuse there never was nothing, this is just the way it is

>>11117649
this ^

Vortex math is his is how energy flows in the reality, called the 9 code, you see where there would be a zero, it is the same point where the 9 is, there is no zero, no nothing, it hits the start point then flows back out, a torus where it flows out the top and back into the bottom, it is self sustaining with no start point or end point it is like a heartbeat that is infinite

Doesn't it make more sense that God is a group of scientists who created a simulation of our universe? and their god is the same? And this continues recursively infinitely?

>>11117676
Ok nice, of course we can't know what is outside of this cube matrix, the Vedic literature says the muliverses spring from the pores of Vishnu, this is poetic of course the Veda are all describing the science using personification. So whatever Vishnu is, is creating the multiverses, this is just a process however most likely I mean how hte fuck could we ever know?

>And this continues recursively infinitely
Fractals my niggle, this entire reality is fractals that reproduce themselves infinitley on different scales, the atom is a minute solar system, Horton hears a who type shit, yes it is mind bending smoke DMT and see the other dimensional entities. I plan on trying to figure out what is outside of our matrix at some point at least as much as I can but the shit aint easy bruh naw mean? Only so much we can figure out form inside the matrix using what we can observe in here

>>11117655
The game exists even without the console, even if it's useless, but exists with all his data.
Your God sounds like destiny to me, and we can discuss about those stuff for all eternity (I don't believe in destiny and those stuff).
Your mistake is assuming that you're the only one who has the truth, you're just saying that we live in matrix (lol) and that God isn't ruled by the rules of our universe basically and because of this we can't understand his nature.
So in other words "I don't know how to justify God's existence and I like sci-fi movies".

>>11117676
Oh btw just thought of a great analogy, where does an adult's blood come from? A baby is not born with the same amount of blood an adult has correct?

The circulatory system is just a loop, it doesn't have a beginning or end right? yet as you grew the blood was made by the entity itself, your body. Make sense? As the Universe grows it produces the shit it needs in it's cylical operation just like your body mad your blood in its cyclical operation. Not a perfect analogy but it helps wrap your mind around it

>>11117691
It isnt my God lol, it is the God, the Universe itself.

>So in other words "I don't know how to justify God's existence and I like sci-fi movies".

I told you I could prove it for 100% fact, and even posted a link to an article I wrote where I explain all the science. All I can do for you bud, the rest is up to you if you want to understand it.

>>11117236
>Implying that nothing isn't the universe itself (space) which is eternal.
Substantivalism regarding space fo lyf. If you are asking why the universe has contents, i.e. matter, quantum fluctuations can bring particles into existence from nothing. This has been observed. Yes this is counter-intuitive, but it is true.
The question then becomes, well, then why did matter come into existence at t1 rather than t2? Things have been coming into existence and being obliterated for all eternity. Crazy, but probably true.

>>11117691
I can give you these two images, all the answers are here, this is how the energy is flowing in a loop. the math of the cyclical "pump", no zero, no start point, no end point

>>11117460
>Nothing existing includes time not existing.
Time has no intrinsic existence. It is merely a measure of change. It is possible for "nothing" to exist for 100 years conceptually because you can imagine an observer. Did time exist in this hypothetical changeless state? Some say yes, others no.

>>11117691
This is how it manifests into the material world using this pattern, the torus. Something needs 4 points to materialize in the 3rd dimension, there are 6 nodes on a 3d graph making a cube, it how you know the matrix is a cube

I also wrote this article
http://esotericawakening.com/the-occult-significance-of-the-number-6

I mean I laid it out like a road map, all you have to do is follow the path

I mean I can give you one more, this is how the torus flows out and back in in the Fibonacci sequence all this shit is in the article though

>>11117292
this, OP is just assuming shit.

>>11117236
Simulation bruv

One last image, this is God, no beginning no end, just heart pumping for infinity creating shapes/entities out of concious plasma inside itself, it is all a construct to our sense inside of this entity

>>11117323
FLUC U ASIANS? NO FLUC U WHITE PEOPLE.

>>11117725
Who produced that documentary you linked the other day on /x/ or perhaps /sci/?

Isn't one of the more popular theories that there was a mass of infinite density and under the right conditions that's what sparked the big bang?

>>11118418
This one?

AwakenTheWorldFilm
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmzsYSXn3zdCsLS063oCt8w

>>11118418
https://awakentheworld.com/innerworldsmovie/

>>11118439
No, I mean this one:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Jhi9crWLt1p3/

Who originally made the video?

>>11118446
Thanks. I haven't yet gotten through it, I just wanted to know the original source.

>>11118450
>>11118447
yw yah those are the guys that made it I just put 4 of them into a single video, this is good too

https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/introduction-to-the-mysteries-part-1_dJpExbjQovVPPMh.html/list/TrxfTBeqZu8147A

Same type of material but a lot more too

>>11117534
based schizo poster.

>>11117585

> everything is cyclical

yeah well, so where's the evidence for your new age drivel?

>>11117696
>It isnt my God lol, it is the God, the Universe itself.
You're saying that God began to think and when his thinking is over the current universe "disappear" and another one starts.
We also are part of this illusions and everything is fake and outside God's head there's only "God itself".
Honestly I think that's impossible because you're going against physics.
How can you explain, for example, the principle of casuality?
How can you explain why we can think?
I can create an entire universe in my head, if I want.
So I'm just like God.
And God has his "gods" too and his gods also have gods, ecc...
Math jokes are cool, but we aren't talking about secret meaning behind numbers and stuff, we are the ones who made numbers, remember.

>>11117236
>There was literally nothing in the beginning.

Demonstrate this.

>>11117473
>Intelligent deign (science) says otherwise

Intelligent design is dead.

>>11117649
>whatever exists outside of our universe

Something that exists “outside of spacetime” exists, literally, nowhere and never. Doesn’t exist.

>>11117460
THIS.

>>11117684
>the atom is a minute solar system
It looks nothing like a solar system. You have brain damage.

>>11117486

>The universe has no obligation to make sense to you.

Okay "Sigma main"

>>11117236
>There was literally nothing in the beginning. So how did the Universe spontaneously come into existence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Zmzcl85Ds

>>11117725

Oh man, that explains EVERYTHING! You genius!

>>11117725
>>11117731
Bodhi Mantra? I haven't seen you on /pol/ for a while.

>>11117463
This is a science board. Allah does not exist.

>>11117482
>with zero foresight / planning.
I GUESS YOU NEVER HEARD THE MOTHER FUCKING PHRASE "MAKE IT UP AS I GO" LOL

>>11117482
>zero foresight / planning.
LOL mother fucker have you ever tried to keep a complex system in order? IT'S FUCKING HARD NIGGER. YOU TRY AND FIX 1 THING AND IT FUCKS UP A THOUSAND OTHER THINGS. I'M DOING THE GOD DAMN BEST I CAN. WHY DON'T YOU STOP BEING A WHINY FUCKING BITCH AND HELP ME FOR GOD'S SAKE LOL

>>11117655

>>11117236
Hartle-Hawking state

>>11119175
I haven't been on 4chan in a couple years, it is like a preschool for downsy retards for the most part so I rarely bother as this thread is evidence of, how you been?

>>11119284
Yeah good mate. I don't post often (mostly cos I use a VPN and I need to turn it off just to post). Occasionally I still jump in if we're on the topic of mathematical ontology and the monad.

>>11119150

“All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.” - Max Planck

Anon stop embarrassing yourself you are at cringe lord levels, most of the people on this board are cringe lord hacks desu that don't even know simple science or scientists for that matter

>>11119284
PS - What was your email again? I finally finished that short story. I don't want to dox myself here.

>>11118976
>yeah well, so where's the evidence for your new age drivel?

Is a clock face circular or linear bruh?

>>11119303
hop in here bro

https://discord.gg/RMEusj

>>11117236
>There was literally nothing in the beginning
citation needed
fucking faggot

>>11117608
This is actually how the Vedas exactly describe it. The double slit experiment shows that electrons know when thy are being observed and reality is a wave when it is not being observed but a particle when it is. The Vedas explain that reality comes into being because Brahma is observing it, I think it is Brahma. Or that Shakti dances to get Shiva's attention because he is meditating and only when he opens his eyes dos reality come into existence, when he closes his eyes reality goes out of existence.

https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/the-double-slit-experiment-conscious-light-your-third-eye_vIIK91PoxCrvHid.html

>>11119150
>directly quote one of the greatest minds in science in the last century
>hack anon doesn't know who anon was quoting so tries to mock him
>anon clowns him in epic fashion

If you mock quoting Max Planck anon you don't need to be on this board. Come back when you have something named after you.

>>11119346
Max Planck is retarded if he thought atoms looked like little solar systems. That model of atoms is outright wrong and for children to look at in textbooks

>>11119374
>Call Max Planck retarded
>Has measures of Unit and Institutes named after him
>Won Nobel Prize

Anon I have news for you, you are the one that is retarded. Apparently if you are presented with any information you have not been trained to think about like a seal you fail to be able to muster coherent cognitive function

>>11119381
>Muh appeal to authority

If Max Planck thought atoms were like little solar systems, he is wrong. It’s that simple. They’re not like little solar systems. That model persists only as an approximation for school children.

>>11119393
Anon you are fool, sorry I had to be the one to break it to you but someone had too

>all those infinite worlds you will never see

>>11119398
>Anon you are fool, sorry I had to be the one to break it to you but someone had too

Anon you are fool, sorry I had to be the one to break it to you but someone had too.

>>11119402
You will see them eventually anon, the lokas are waiting for your next life, the real question you should b thinking about is how to find the back doors in the matrix to escape the diff levels (lokas). It is all based on openings in the magnetic fields to let the energy into other areas. Read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WWs7fuXj1h8E/

>>11117236

>>11119393
That wasn't an appeal to authority you stupid fuck stop posting your shit tier idiocy. Both these anons are right you don't belong on this board

>>11117236
You have to have something to know when there's nothing, so nothing has to become something. It's quantum mechanics. When there was that moment of nothing, then all energy at every point was perfectly known, which is a violation, and bazinga!

>>11117684
Go to sleep.

>>11119420
That is p good but I disagree with one point, the Universe is not infinite in size only in "time", though time doesn't really exist since everything is cyclical, not linear time anyway.

There are infinite Universes in the multiverse but obviously if there is even more than one than by very definition a single one cannot be infinite itself

>>11117663
I understand what you are saying anon you should have asked the other anon to define "nothing". What is nothing? Empty space, devoid of matter? Even that empty space had to be made by "something" so it is chicken and egg. The ouroboros which itself is based on the Vortex Math "lazy eight" pattern in the image you posted

>>11119402
>all those infinite worlds you will never see
lost, like tears in rain

Try thinking about it this way. If "ANYTHING" that can happen, does happen in an alternate reality, then "ANYTHING" would include your dreams, fantasies, or whatever you choose to imagine. Which begs the question, are you simply dreaming/imagining these parallel realities, or are you somehow directly observing them in your mind? Maybe there's a person in a parallel reality who's dreaming of you? Is reality just a dream that someone else dreamed up? And if a computer simulated reality uses biological matter for the hardware, is it still a computer simulated reality or is it now a dreamed reality?

>>11119464
^^^ this, the only logical outcome is that there never was "nothing", it is an impossibility that "something" ever came from "nothing" therefore the something is the reality itself, even "nothing" within this reality is still inside of the "something", the conscious aether

>>11117236
Probably magnets

>>11117655
So "god" to you is just the universe. That's just you using retarded language.

>>11118431
No.

>>11117616
>>11119212
this

>>11117236
That galaxy is so beautiful. I shall name it Dota 2.

>>11119683
God, to everyone, the only God is concsious light, simple and straight forward, if you can't understand this you are the one that is retarded mate. I don't know any easier way to explain it and this seems easy enough for a child to understand to me

>>11117292
>thinks that any alternative explanation of the universe doesn't pose equally problematic questions about causality and the origin of reality

>>11117427
God is the Alpha and the Omega. God exists beyond time and causality, and beyond human comprehension or description. Hence, God is the definition of "supernatural." This is the only logical answer to "what existed before the Universe" or "what created the Universe", of course.

>>11117236
There still is nothing, only thought.

>>11120095

>>11120087
stop hallucinating stuff that isn't in my post. the fact is that current scientific understanding does not assume that this region of space we call "our universe" came from nowhere. but even if you ask the grander philosophical question why is there anything at all rather than nothing, we can't just assume there was "nothing in the beginning"

>>11117292
/thread

Relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_there_is_anything_at_all

>>11119423
Salty.

Please relocate to /x/

>>11120132
whether it came from nowhere, or came from somewhere, you always end up with a problem of causal genisis which, by definition, cannot be answered within the tenets of modern science.

>universe came from nothing : causality breaks
>universe always existed : causality breaks

you clearly havent given this much thought. its an age old problem however with an equally old solution : supernatural creation

>>11120165
and you clearly haven't put (m)any points in reading comprehension. nothing in your post contradicts mine

>>11120170
Given the nature of the OP, your post implies that there would be a logically different conclusion, given that the axiom presented in the OP either was, or was not, true. But regardless of the truth of OPs axiom, the logical conclusion remains the same.

So either you don't understand that, or you are just wasting time on sophomoric pedantry. In the interest of keeping the discourse on topic, and as a polite guesture, I chose to give you the benefit of the doubt and responded according to the assumption that you were merely ignorant, and not simply a purposeful fool.

Nothing and everything are the same thing

>>11117236
>So how did the Universe spontaneously come into existence
God
>>11120249
nope, they are contradictions

>>11120265
Nothing doesn’t exist from our frame of reference then. Absolute zero can’t be achieved at any place in our observational and inferential capacity. We are floating on a ribbon folded a trillion times. God weaved the ribbon.

>>11120196
Even if the alternative doesn't solve the question either, it's totally OK and not "sophomoric pedantry" to point out that the assumption is not obvious at all. Especially on a /sci/ board it's important to clear any potential misconceptions that science postulates our universe coming from nothing. Meanwhile attributing easily refutable imaginary claims to others just so you can act smug and condescending is just cunty shitposting.

If quantum manifestations can bring in something from nothing then why aren’t any ‘strange zones’ with increased quantum likelihoods ever discovered? If it’s really random then some argue that these should be extant since they could be.

God created this universe. He himself is from another.

>>11117236
they don't know shit about the start of time and origins of matter.

>>11120313
>random
This is your mistake anon, nothing is random

the universe is in a superposition of having a beginning and always having existed.

>>11120420
>the universe is in a superposition

does that mean if we observe it at just the right time (or wrong time) the universe will decide it never existed in the first place and we'll unmake the universe?
That sounds and awful lot like the fears that were associated with discovering the higgs boson.

>>11120605
depends on what you men by observation.

either everything is observation or nothing is because it's all just interactions between elementary particles.

>>11119339
>...Shiva's attention because he is meditating and only when he opens his eyes dos reality come into existence...

Isn't that Vishnu?

>>11120362
Still, is quantum strangeness perfectly uniform? If not then I should be able to find a location where weird quantum effects are taking place just by looking.

>>11119474
>Maybe there's a person in a parallel reality who's dreaming of you?

Credible sources say that we exist on 7 different realities. So, it's certainly possible the other 6 are dreaming of the other 6, etc, etc...

>>11117534
So basically we are in a simulation made by god

>>11117534
>Adjusting the goalpost.

>>11120092
>The only logical answer to an unknown question, or perhaps even a question based on an incorrect assumption is to make up some wacky character and name it God.
You do not understand logic.

>>11117722
Doesn't the 4th dimension represent time

>>11119206
are you suggesting the Earth is the pinnacle of order?

holy shit I just realized how zorns lemma/choice can be directly applied to metaphysical arguments about causation.
If the all events formed a set, and causes were an order on that set, then:
If we assume for any set of events where for any two events one causes the other, there exists an event that cause ALL of them,
then there exists an event that has no cause.
Hmmmm

>>11119435
"Universe" means "everything" which would include all additional dimensions that you are calling a "multiverse." I don't beleiver in a multiverse and think that is sci-fi. Also, without matter or energy there can be no time. Since time is a measure of those two things.