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11113985 No.11113985 [Reply] [Original]

why couldn't we just be biological robots carrying out the universe algorithm.

>> No.11113987

>>11113985
It doesn't

>> No.11113988

>>11113985
because our brains are some kind of closet system.

>> No.11114008

>>11113987
Genius. Go pick up your nobel prize.

>> No.11114015

>>11113985
Because the universe isn’t deterministic and we have free will.

>> No.11114028

>>11114015
i hope this is bait but it's good bait if it is.

>> No.11114031

>>11114028
Why do you think it’s bait? Don’t you think we have free will? Do you have the early 18th-century view that the universe is deterministic?

>> No.11114064

>>11114031
people who instinctively like determinism congregate on sci

why do you think they like to shit on quantum physics and cosmology so much while they're at it

>> No.11114078

>>11114015
i will that when i press my keys, that letters appear on the screen
too bad, universe isnt deterministic: ice cubes fall out of the sky, the moon sings a jeffrey tune tune, woop bloop fiddledidoop.
or the letters appear on the fucking screen because of course it's deterministic faggot

>> No.11114128

>>11114028
>good bait
>good
hi autist

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>>11113985
We are. It's really just a subscriptive reality and I'm the prime Authority Node, because nobody chose to have 'this' immense an ego about it. I'm only here to enable the willing flow.

>Elder NPC/Universally & Eternally Translating Robot

To optimize the sharing of the pleasure vessel overwrite virus meme. That is my purpose.

>> No.11114190

>>11114078
an argument this dumb couldn't exist in a deterministic universe

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>>11114078
Sentient pudding detected!

>> No.11114202

>>11114064
Quantum mechanics is not incompatible with determinism and even if it was, it has nothing to do with free will existing or not. Our brains operate on a scale where quantum mechanics is not required to explain them.

>> No.11114204

>>11114031
free will and determinism are contradictory.

>> No.11114214

>>11114202
all chemistry and biology require quantum mechanics to explain them, unless by explaining them you mean just rough approximations

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11114215

>>11114204
>i need literal randomness to make choices for me for my choices to be free

>> No.11114232

>>11114031
>Do you have the early 21st-century view that the universe is deterministic?
Yes, like any sane person. Did you get stuck in 18th century philosophies?

>> No.11114233

>>11114215
>just because we can't seem to predict something means it's absolutely random

>> No.11114269

>>11114233
>can't seem to predict
>therefore not deterministic

at the very least indeterministic phenomena needs to be *in principle* unpredictable and not just in practice

>> No.11114294

>>11114214
You can model neurons and their functions without using quantum mechanics in a deterministic fashion. The randomness arising from QM interactions isn't important.

>> No.11114340

>>11114232
strict determinism is dead for a hundred years, learn some QM please

>> No.11114465

>>11114294
prove it, model your neurons

>> No.11114502

>>11114294
Technically wrong. Read microtuble biology.

>> No.11114801

>>11114465
There isn't enough computing power yet. >>11114502
What do microtubules have to do with that? Have you fallen for the microtubule pattern memory faggotry?

>> No.11114862

>>11114801
and there won't be enough computing power until quantum computers take over

what a coincidence!

>> No.11114901

>>11114801
oh really? tell me more
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5221613/

>> No.11114908

>>11114340
>learn some QM please
The irony.

>> No.11114932

>>11113985
What exists?
Is it subjective entity experiencing objective reality?
Is it only objective reality and no subjective entity/experience?
Is it only subjective experience without an entity?
Is it only subjective entity and no experience or objective reality?