/sci/ - Science & Math

>due to the professor
Literally never. You are responsible for learning the material.

>>11110082
100 Percent the students fault. If he/she really wanted to learn, he/she would learn it.

100/0

>>11110082
It's almost entirely the fault of the student you should be self studying in the first place

As long as what's expected is communicated clearly students should manage even if the teaching is bad. 80/10/10 student/teacher/other bullshit

>>11110082
70/30
I had both awful (alcoholic, crazy or violent) and great teachers.

Expecting to spend an hour or two with a good or a horrible person will radically change the way you will deal with the material.

I was always strong in physics and chemistry but a prof I had in high school almost forever disgusted me from the discipline, my grade suffered, then the year after I had a cool guy and aced the final exam.

50/50
A Chinese student was failing our multivariable class because we had the hardest professor. He dropped and took an easier professor who just copied homework problems on exams and got and A at above 90%

>>11110175
Then what's the purpose of going to class?

95/5

there are definitely some bad profs but it's uncommon
the student should look at himself before blaming the prof for poor performance

I'd say 90/10, of course it's on the student to learn the material, but a teacher who makes the course interesting can have a huge positive impact on performance.

When the teacher gives the student and F because some satanists say "it is a matter of national security that no one ever finds out that he got the highest grade of all time," then it is 100% the teacher's fault. When the teacher say, "So what? Lots of other people who get Fs are able to find gf," the answer is that, "The 'so what' is that I didn't get an F, and I am not willing to jump through the hoops that people who get Fs have to jump through." In that case, 100% the fault of the "instructor."

>>11110284
Also teacher is responsible for how shit is graded

>>11110278
To assist you in learning. classes work well for most of the students. However if it doesn't work for you you are supposed to learn using your own method

>>11110082
50/50, likely even 40/60. Reason being that it's the teachers job to present the material in a way that will get the students to study. Claiming the student should be willing to study either way is retarded, since it'd remove the requirement for the teacher. If a teacher can't be at fault cause self study is a thing, then all that should be expected of you is to own a library card and take an exam, hence may miuscule amounts of student fees. However, since people pay for the teacher (either tuition or tax), it's their job to get you to study.

At least half of all professor's I've had to deal with performed fucking poorly. It was immediately apparent for them to consider lecture a drag. The only time they were properly involved was during seminars. Honestly, make that 30/70. I can hardly recall any competent/motivated teacher who actually put effort into structuring and presenting the relevant materials.

>>11110082
without standardized tests across all universities it’s usually up to whoever makes the test. tests can be made to be very difficult or easy

There were some profs in my grad program that definitely seemed bent on getting students kicked out of the program. Having hard classes is one thing if it's in the interest of the student. On the other hand, there are profs who make shit hard out of apparent spite for their students and their life and give zero shits about the student or their future. These are bad profs.

90/10. I've had professors whose solutions to the same question changed year to year with entirely different answers each time, without the question changing, but those are rare. Most of the time if a professor makes things difficult, it's to do it right, and does not come from their own inability to grasp their subject

>>11110082
99/1
The vast majority of performance issues are the fault of brainlet or lazy students, but, as the one that writes the exams, the professor could ask questions that are not representative of what is covered during lecture or in the textbook. Even then, questions such as those are often doable enough that any competent student could feasibly solve them.

>>11110278
To get a degree.
Degrees are a means to prove your qualifications to potential employers. It's certainly not a perfect system but I haven't seen anyone come up with anything better.

>>11110082
>some other form out of the students control.
This one quarter I ended up with a C average because I was sick the whole time, had difficulty breathing which made it difficult to study and basically spent 3 weeks bed ridden barely able to think.
Does that count?

I personally can only blame a prof if something was on an exam that was either stated not to be on it or wasn’t said to be on it. Other than that it’s my responsibility to do well. I’d say 80% of profs clearly indicate what is expected knowledge.

You're all moronic elitist.
Its an educators role to both enlighten and inspire his students.
The great professors you've had had Definitely had a very impactful and long lasting effect on how you think and on the academic topics you end up finding fascinating.
This goes way beyond performance.

For example my power systems analysis prof had ridiculously good qualifications, but her classes wer fucking shit and he failed to communicate what he found so fascinating about power systems.

Whilst my signal analysis prof was very fucking good at communicating the topics and inspired me to get my masters on the subject.

This is a simplistic example of course but you get my point, the professors job as an educator isnt simply to outline the contents of a class.

>>11110082
90/10

I did all exercises on KA, in my math book, in the lectures and still failed Calc 1 and 2 twice.
I have the dedication of a top 0.000001% Ivy League student, everyone else with my study dedication would have thousands and valuable phds by now in less than 5 years, but I have sadly the memory and IQ of a goldfish, which is why I will never improve despite trying harder than all of this board combined.

But because "muh IQ", a scientific fact, gets laughed at by high IQ people who reject the fact that their achievements have nothing to do with their work and all with a random number they were born with, no one will acknowledge this and calls me a liar (I can post the over 500 per hand calculated exercises from calc 2 alone if anyone wants to see it).

in math related courses the profs are usually totally useless, in humanities it must be closer to 50/50

>>11110298
in nursing school, one of my professors asked the class:
>"what's a common vaginal bacterial infection?"
>crickets
>"yeast!"
looks like I'm a bacteria now

frequently in clinical nurses who went to other schools are amazed that we don't have classes like maternity, gerontology, etc. instead everything is crammed into one class. called health promotions. we don't even learn things in a way that makes sense. we get things in little snippets as opposed to learning a body system, variations to that body system with age, and changes to that body system from disease. our classes are also taught by multiple professors instead of just one, and you can see which ones are good lecturers by class performance. for the lady who mistook yeast for bacteria, about half the class got below a 77%

>>11110616
agreed. on our past test glaucoma wasn't mentioned in any power point nor on the exam blueprint, yet there were multiple questions on it. I'm glad I read up on it anyways (my mom has glaucoma). this program I'm in is a clusterfuck according to current students, graduates, nurses who are amazed at what we don't learn, and new clinical instructors. can't wait to get out of here

>>11110092
>>11110091
>Have to take an online class
>The introduction is literally a blank template
>Hello my name is Professor write you're name here and welcome to put class name here, Be sure to read the syllabus carefully as you are responsible for everything listed on the syllabus.Include a paragraph about yourself, including hobbies, favorite foods, background, etc.
>Says book is mandatory but it's never used and all the homework is from a different book not listed on the syllabus, freely available online from 2008.
>Test questions have "short answer" sections that you will fail by default unless you manage to perfectly guess what the correct phrase is including punctuation.
>Teacher never responded to emails or calls
>Required to post three sentences on each chapter in a private class forum and reply to 3 other posts by others
>Everyone replied with I agree.

I'm never doing that again.

>>11110645
I agree

>>11110658
I agree.

>>11110091
Why the fuck are you paying through the nose for the lectures then?

>>11110082
In humanities classes, it's 100% the students' fault because those classes are piss easy.

But in STEM classes, I think it's a 50/50 split

>>11110091
>>11110092
>>11110174
>>11110175
>>[Etc.]
Here's an example: Algebra 1 – a professor doing a thesis on matrices (which is a much later topic, "intriguingly", and in relevance to only some degrees), and thusly is his basing for the materials .. It's "completely unreasonable" ..

>>11110597
"Training for specific roles."

>>11110627
IQ only alludes to some aspects of intelligence, proven by the fact that a lot of high IQs are had, yet humanity is still amongst dense mediocrity.

>>11110082
>Go to premier 4 year university.
>Class of 300 students, 1 professor, no fucks given about any student.
>Take class, drop class to avoid F
>Go to a community college
>Class of 30 students, 1 professor, cares.
>Take class, perfect score 100/100

:|

I'm saying 60/40.

The student is responsible for a bulk of the outcome, because it's the student's job to study and keep up with the material by practicing methods/calculations/terminology/applications/etc.

It's the professor's responsibility to flesh out the ideas and concepts, and to explain them in multiple ways if the first way isn't working. If a student approaches a professor and tells that professor that the teaching style put forth isn't working, it's up to the professor to actively engage with the student and try other methods. Obviously, the student needs to do their part in 1) being proactive enough to recognize their shortcomings and approach the professor, and 2) listening to the methods proposed by the professor and using these different approaches to try and mentally break through that wall that's halted progress.

I was in a calculus-based physics class and my professor "taught" in the worst way possible - it was like he was doing homework on the overhead projector, and we were watching him. He wouldn't explain what he was doing or why he was doing it, he simply worked out each problem in silence. Once he reached an answer, he'd turn to the class and say, "Did everyone get that?" and move on before we could answer. If we said NOTHING, it would have been 100% our faults. Once we told him that, no, we don't "get" it, the responsibility fell to him to explain it to us - his pupils.

>>11110642
>nursing school
Get the fuck out of here

IQ is out of the student's control