/sci/ - Science & Math

Not science or math
It's gay to care about shit like this

>>11105153
Romantic love is dead, but science didn't kill it. Premarital sex, the pill, nudity and porn, feminism, Tinder and the college rape scare did. By the time the average roastie reaches 18 she's already used goods hardly worthy (or interested in) having a rap song written about her, much less a love sonnet. Ironically, the only people left in the West who still believe in romantic love are incels and the religious, both of which are shunned in mainstream "polite" society

>>11105153
>NOOOO I NEED SHITTY FEELINGS IN SCIENCE, STOP USING LOGIC ON RATIONAL THINGS

>>11105153
None of what you said actually has anything to with science, love just happens to be more absurd than other feelings regardless of what mental framework you use to look at it.

>>11105218
For incels priding themselves on their dispassionate, intelligent view of the world, they sure are incapable of analyzing data.

>>11106333
>t. 30-year-old roastie getting ready to settle down

>>11105153
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yafsGX3qLE0

>>11105153
The level of autist you have to to be to think that something loses value when its understood boggles the mind. People didnt and dont create art because of the chemistry in their brains, they created it because of their unique experience of the human condition.

>>11106407
>"Love+"
WHAT ARE YOU!? SRSLY
ARE YOU SOME KIND OF MONSTER?

>>11106425
No.

>Does science strip love of its mystery?
No. Merely describing a phenomenon in grossly-simplified technical terms like associated brain-chemicals or explaining its evolutionary utility does not somehow "explain away" the depth and mystery of the actual experience.

Go take a big dose of acid. Try to keep a straight face while insisting that the phenomenology of the trip you go on is simply uninspiring, given your knowledge that a "mere chemical on a blotter" was the catalyst for the entire thing.

>>11106350
>he thinks there are 20 yo women here
imagine being this socially naive

>>11105153
Pseudo intellectuals: "lol love is just a chemical reaction in the brain, it's just a bunch of neurotransmitters making you reproduce, love isn't real"

Actual intellectuals: "While serotonin and dopamine and oxytocin are responsible for things such as love, sexual pleasure, and happiness, it's beautiful that we consciously experience some chemicals as euphoria."

>>11106462
>Go take a big dose of acid.
NO. hallucinogens are for fools and pseudo-intellectuals. your typical hallucinogen user is a young man in college, trying to "find his place in the world", searching for "the meaning of life", listening to a lot of pink floyd, feels like he's more enlightened then all of his peers, isn't integrated with society and is privileged with parents who protect his naive fool ass from the harsh real world.

>>11106469
>Actual intellectuals:

>>11106487
Agreed. The imbalance brought about by LSD can be encapsulated in recording while a CAT scan is being performed on the brain. With a burnup of neurological mass like this it is obvious you are going to mix vivid memories and dreams in a coalesced mass of horrors/beauties. In short. I can see the end. There was nothing but light and darkness.

>or better yet if you weren't female, I wouldn't have a second thought about you. This bothers me to no end.
Lol. OP thinks love is dumb because it won't help him suck cock.

>>11105153
not reading that teenage wall of text.
just know reducing things to "chemical reactions" doesn't make them any less powerful and real. Other animals do it in an even more systematic way: look at how birds dance in courtship. It's so obvious they feel an instinct to do it to stay in the gene pool and there's nothing mysterious about them. It's still absolutely beautiful. Empathy is just an evolutionary trait necessary for survival too, are you gonna abandon being empathetic too just because it's not "mysterious" enough?

>>11106499
not an lsdfag, but what if firing up so many parts of your brain like that helps you understand shit not even a genius could? I'm no expert on neuroscience and I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm kinda retarded. So please answer my stupid question

>>11106487
Was that supposed to be an argument against hallucinogen use?

>this is your brain on rick and morty

>>11106532
It's too noisy. Too uncontrolled. Like the opposite of math. It is just firing non-sense at the wall and hoping it sticks.

>>11106564
makes sense, thanks

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>>11106564
Garbage in garbage out. It's obviously not going to turn a dumb burnout into a genius, but sometimes a smart and educated mind is just one twist/blend away from something like Insight.

>>11106598
>it's never happened, but it COULD happen

>>11106608
Not the point. That other dude's "understand shit not even a genius could" idea is clearly off the mark, but so is "too noisy...just firing non-sense"

A substance like LSD can help you come up with novel ways of arranging the stuff that's already in your head. If you have a smart head full of good information and rich experiences, then this mixing and re-combining can help you come up with new things that are also good and rich.

That's why the effect is properly described as associated with "creativity", not "increased intelligence" or something else like that.

>>11105153
>Love is just this meaningless impulse driven by chemical reactions
>My pursuit of scientific knowledge is above everything else, and not merely driven by similar impulses.

>>11106598
>Insight
is yet another illusions. Our brains aren't wired to see all things objectively nor to understand the meaning of life. Whether you waste your life in a buddhist temple or just take lots of acid, any ego-death or Insight is nothing more than a worthless delusion you may or may not live by

>>11106641
>head. If you have a smart head full of good information and rich experiences, then this mixing and re-combining can help you come up with new things that are also good and rich.
Aviato

>>11105153
No one actually thinks scientific explanations of behaviors make them “less mysterious”. That’s just a coping mechanism by people afraid of love and that’s literally the point of Rick saying it in Rick and Morty
I don’t care that it’s brain chemicals. It’s still fun.

>>11105218
Boomer go to bed.

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>>11106325
>science
It is.

>>11106419
Mediocre art has been surpassed by quality art based on understanding.

>>11106462
The OP has a specific example, that previous relationships were more potentially subjected to large periods of "feels". It's a somewhat valid inquiry, the better paradigm being that those moments are better spent actually involved deeply.

>>11106752
>that previous relationships were more potentially subjected to large periods of "feels"

What does that even mean?

>>11105218
>"Premarital sex"
>[an image on marriage]
Some vows-based personal relationship is unreasonable and unrealistic. Even Jesus spoke against vows.

>>11106755
Poetry and similar were often what individuals did for fun before technology and chemical-understanding.

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The awareness produces more character.

>>11106680
Appealing to meaninglessness (here) is arguing a negative.
A). Objectivity exists, and it's possible using such knowledge and producing "worth". >>11099726
B). That's a specific example of utility for insight.

why does this tripfag make so many cryptic posts and spam threads? >>11106790

>>11106528
Good post, people thinking that science goal is to opt out or denigrate the human experience are brainlets.

The fact you know you're initially attracted to a woman because of a bone arrangement pattern and not because of cupidon or some deity isn't something to agonize on.
Rational thinking is just a tiny part of our mind.

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>>11106564
You obviously are a brainlet how ironic and its very easy to tell you have never read anything about LSD from a verified source or taken it. You are making shit up about LSD and its a cowardly loser mentality of someone that tells himself he didn't even want to go to the party because its just a bunch of people if he was even invited, its a sad cope for being a coward.

Even spoon feeding your dumbass with actual sources something to hard for you obviously.
Its a brain reset, its best use described as putting a reset for any past trauma and allowing you see past social barriers put on you from birth to become more clear with your goals in reality. Its significantly cheaper and has shown results then some therapist using pseudo-science telling you might be trans. Gary Fisher explored these and was able to help severely abused children from birth.

Half of the experience is personal the other half is universal. So again you have no idea what you are talking about.

Now go drink from your plastics or pesticide beer and get your daily dose of onions poison so you can continue to be a low impact idiot that cloaks themselves in ignorance as attempt to high horse.

>>11106598
You are not wrong.
>>11106532
You are asking a retarded 13 year old on his opinion on LSD read on erowid if you want a full accurate scope of what LSD does. Its a brain reset and yes it will make you more intelligent from activating areas of your brain you never get the chance from your lifestyle choices. It also has synergistic effect on the brain as a whole. It also helps you see the values in your own life and betters your mood for months otherwise with energy.

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/worth-the-trip-psychedelics-as-an-emerging-tool-for-psychotherapy/

https://www.sciencealert.com/lsd-psychedelic-therapeutic-treatment-mental-illness-resets-brain-network-harmonics

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/ptsd-drug-treatment/

>>11106802
>[Not an argument].
It's obviously better keeping your garbage labels to yourself.

>>11105153
You people just need to graduate from nihilism to existentialism, we Chads, are waiting you on the other side.

>>11105153
Technically, all of math, logic, and truth as we understand it are abstractions over repeated neural impulses. Does this suddenly make them worthless?

>>11107227
I have plenty of experience in brain related matters, and will trivially outlive you through my knowledge of biology and physics.

>>11107227
>to hard for you
>to
*too

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>>11107255
Obviously this line of thinking applies to all areas of life, including our pursuit of scientific and mathematical truth. However, what I said was that it is never more obvious, to me, than when infatuated or even in love (I've been so once, and I ended up purposefully distancing myself from her because of this shitty sentiment). And that thought lingering in the background entirely ruins the experience for me. This doesn't come up wth most other parts of life for me because it is not quite as self-evident, like I explained above with friendships.
I can rationalize this sentiment all I want, but at the end of the day it is just that: an emotion; an internal feeling of cringe and inauthenticity I cannot get rid of. Nothing rational about it.
>Go take a big dose of acid. Try to keep a straight face while insisting that the phenomenology of the trip you go on is simply uninspiring, given your knowledge that a "mere chemical on a blotter" was the catalyst for the entire thing.
I have, and it was a marvelous experience. Knowing it was caused by LSD makes it hardly any less "magical" to me given the profoundity of the experience. Hypocritical? Yes. Again, this is not a purely logical thing, clearly.
>Empathy is just an evolutionary trait necessary for survival too, are you gonna abandon being empathetic too just because it's not "mysterious" enough?
I had a similar line of reasoning during middle and high school, which led me to more or less train myself to tune out or completely ignore feelings such as empathy. I'm now in college, so not much later, but I suspect this did have an effect on me because I have a seriously hard time feeling empathy. So much so most of my friends call me a sociopath.