/sci/ - Science & Math

quantum teleportation

>>11091140
sorry, i don't believe in the outdated brainlet conception of causality made by that jew einstein

>>11091146
>>11091152
My point is less about FTL travel and more about the "Dude science has been wrong before so it's probably wrong now" argument in general.

>>11091168
whats wrong with that? its ignorant to think that everything we "know" now is actually true

>>11091140
We are indeed going to easily travel the universe in the future. But the enabling technology won't be FTL, which is impossible, but transhumanism.

>>11091168
If you don't have a reason to disagree with his statement concerning science having been wrong, which is based on some kind of induction at least, then you're baseless disagreeing with him on feelings.

That said, I doubt we'll develop FTL due to the difficulties modern science, and indeed any logical understanding of causality places on FTL, but admit that it's possible we'll find something to allow it. But placing ardently believing in FTL just because of this is like ardently believing that ceratopsid dinosaurs are still alive and insisting that modern zoology must have missed something, since we used to believe coelacanths were extinct but they turned out to still be alive.

>>11091140
The appropriate response is to shut the fuck up.

>>11091271
This. OP you sound like a fucking spineless faggot. Stop crying about normalfags cucking you and post something valuable for once in your life. Saged, of course.

>>11091168
While I agree that's a dumb statement, most idiots on this board believe in shit like that. So you may have come to the wrong place.

>>11091260
>easily

>>11091140
There's no need to invent FTL anyway, we can travel the universe at subluminal speed just fine. Well, niggers can't and it's good: you wouldn't want niggers all over the universe.

The speed of light is not a limit. It's just a phase state transition vertex.

Go ahead, try to prove a negative. I dare you, I double dog dare you motherfucker.

>>11091244
So Newtonian mechanics is wrong then?

>>11091140
What? Humans knew that powered, heavier then air flights are possible since birds exist.

>>11092492
Since it can't happen, it effectively doesn't exist.

>>11091140
>california here I COOOOM... right back were I started from

>>11092501
Welcome to the 20th century.

>>11092512
Except it can happen, and according to mainstream physicists, it already has. The microwave background radiation is purported to be one such instance of light traveling slower across distance than matter. The speed of light is like the speed of sound because spacetime doesn't exist and a physical aether composed of mass really does. We break the speed of sound all the fucking time. Get over yourself brainlet, you haven't seen it all.

>>11091152
he's right you're wrong
the appropriate response would be, sorry im am retard
>>11091152
based

>>11092501
Not wrong, incomplete.

>>11091140
>another whoreposting thread

>>11092588
I would argue it is literally wrong lmao
but just to play devils advocate.
Start by insisting that newtons fundamental laws of motion are mere premises, which are not founded on fact but contrived from intuition. The usefulness of Newtonian mechanics cannot be denied, but will never suffice to prove it true.

>>11091152
lmao fucking poltards.

>>11091140
just ignore their failed understanding of reality and fuck chicks.

>>11091140
It's a fallacy. How would you normally respond to fallacies? (I don't even know)

In general people have no idea with how advanced and stringent our scientific model of the universe actually is.

They all think it's """theories""" (just some guesses) they don't realize the actual mathematical reasoning and proofs underpinning it at all the core.

The average person doesn't realize that we have most likely already figured out about 70% of all physics and we only have a couple of gaps left to connect it all into a single "theory of everything" unifying all forces.

>>11092790
>The average person doesn't realize that we have most likely already figured out about 70% of all physics and we only have a couple of gaps left to connect it all into a single "theory of everything" unifying all forces.

you had me until there lol

>>11092419
Yes, easily. With transhumanism and mind uploading, traveling to another star is as easy as sending a laser beam.

>>11092790
>In general people have no idea with how advanced and stringent our scientific model of the universe actually is.

This is correct.

>>11092520
>The speed of light is like the speed of sound because spacetime doesn't exist and a physical aether composed of mass really does.

>>11092518
That was rhetoric, it's obviously not wrong.
See
>>11092588

>>11091152
based retard

>>11092790
>the actual mathematical reasoning
>>>/x/

We already have space compressing tech, its just in the prototype stage right now. Even if it turns out that using it to "go FTL" is impossible, it will still allow us to use curved space to move around using only energy, which is very handy.

>>11092790
How do you know that? There are some things we know that we don't know, but by definition you can't know how many things there are which we don't know that we don't know.

>>11092790
>In general people have no idea with how advanced and stringent our scientific model of the universe actually is

Yeah you're right, people don't know how advanced it is, it could be absolute dogshit.

>>11091140
We solidly know a few things about the universe that no further discovery (except totally breaking out of our universe) can get around. Thermodynamics is SOLID. C is SOLID. These are hard limits. You can't move information faster than light without infinite energy, and you can't have infinite energy.

>sleeping in a bra
seems staged

Tell him that FTL = time travl and that it is more likely that we'll discover immortality in the next 30 years than FTL in a 1000 years.

>>11091140
I hate women so much

>>11091140
>>11091152
>>11091168
High school dropout...
what's the relation of FTL travel and causality?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

>>11091140
He's right and you're wrong to argue from your standpoint. FTL warp drives are possible even without breaking current physics via Alcuberrie drive. Sure it requires negative energy to generate negative mass, but the fundamentals are there.

Your issue is not the physics but rather your own understanding of it. Physics will change in the next 100-1000 years. However one thing that won't change is if they're throwing impossible stuff that are not related to physics but completely unprovable or disproven. For example a God that watches you masturbate or watching you have anal sex.

>>11093653
>impossible

Define God and define why it's impossible.

>>11093659
God is a nigger, like you and you're a nigger faggot.

Exactly that.

>>11091140
>What is the appropriate response to this?
Depression, loneliness and sadness.

Just smile and nod, excuse yourself and retreat back to the safety of your peers.

>>11093653
Any FTL drive is a time machine. Since we don't see any travellers coming to visit us from the future there aren't any FTL drives in our future.

>>11091168
science should try not being wrong so much.

>>11093614
FTL travel includes time travelling, which breaks causality by allowing effects to exist before their causes. Causality is one of the most important physical phenomena we observe and without it, everything other than maths would be senseless gibberish. Since breaking causality would violate 99% of all laws and completely destroy all observable Nature, we believe it is impossible to violate causality. We have additional physical and mathematical reasons to assume FTL and time travelling are impossible, not just our hard-on for causality.

>>11093634
>the Alcubierre drive requires an already existing Alcubierre drive in order to be built
Or
>requires matter with negative mass which is not known to even exist

>>11093653
Alcubierre drive does not allow FTL, travelling large distances in less time than light would by surfing on the vacuum and literally shortening the path through spacetime is not the same as travelling above c. FTL means "faster than light" and refers exclusively to tachyons. Calling the useage of ST contraction or of a wormhole "FTL" is erroneous and error inducing in others. FTL explicitly includes time traveling whereas wormholes and Alcubierre drives do not.
There is absolutely no theory that can even hope to scratch causality. Stop adhering to fairy tales of massive craft accelerating past c without consuming infinite energy.

necesitaria ser un vampiro para tener tiempo suficiente solo para ver esta discusion lo mismo para no dejar de intentarlo

>>11093771
what if we harness the energy of a collapsing star?

>>11093688
>>11093771
FTL in reference to the universe, not to local space.

>>11092501
It is wrong, but it's good enough for most purposes.

>>11092826
Newtonian mechanics is wrong. There is question about it. However its still useful for calculation as the approximation for local space can be done with Newtonian mechanics.

>>11091146
Not what you think it is.

>>11093614

https://youtu.be/GguAN1_JouQ

https://youtu.be/1YFrISfN7jo

https://youtu.be/HUMGc8hEkpc

https://youtu.be/msVuCEs8Ydo

https://youtu.be/fHRqibyNMpw

https://youtu.be/gSKzgpt4HBU

>>11094003
>>11094049
Thanks for outing yourselves as brainlets. I suggest reading about science before arguing like retards.

>>11092590
These things should be institutionalized.

>>11093758
>breaking causality would violate 99% of all laws and completely destroy all observable Nature

???

closed timelike curves would bring inherently unpredictable events about but surely it wouldn't "completely destroy all observable Nature", whatever that means. and even if they were possible it doesn't mean that time travel to the past is something that could be done easily for free by anyone, so far it looks like it would require enormous amount energy and negative at that. so our universe would not necessarily turn into complete mess

i do think it's a reasonable assumption that FTL is impossible but let's not exaggerate

>>11091140
>id like that too, however, with our understanding of science and our tech capabilities, FTL is impossible
>then again, there might be a breakthrough so who knows
>but yeah, that would be nice

>>11094125
heh, behold:
>DNA samples taken
>artificial uterus and female reproductive system grown in vats
>surgical implantation
>viral vector to infect every cell with modified DNA
>subject post-surgery submersed into a vat and on life support
>within a month - fully functional female reproductive system and modified body displaying feminine features
>its a female, on all levels
or
>neurosynaptic surgery
>back to being and thinking like man

>>11092748
>obvious joke
>DUDE FUCK POLTARDS I HATE POLTARDS FUCK I HATE THEM SO MUCH WAAAAAAA

ok kid

>>11092520
hey look we found the brainlet everybody!

>>11094452
/sci/ence is a very serious topic. we do not take kindly to people injecting levity into our discussions.

>>11094138
Closed time like curves do not break causality. People interested in time travel do want to break causality because they want to change their past.

>>11095023
> they want to change their past
But.. they've already changed it into whatever they changed it to if they ever succeed in changing it.

>>11091168
>"Dude science has been wrong before so it's probably wrong now"
That's something between the Texas Sharpshooter and the Gambler's Fallacy. Existentially, it's also something we simply can't know until it's possible. Despite Eaglework's progress.
>user was banned for this post

Daily reminder for everybody who is under the delusion that we KNOW stuff fundamentally.

>>11091140
>FTL travel is physically impossible
>Babby thinks our understanding of the universe is "complete"
Honestly you just come off as arrogant trying to act like you're smarter than your friend. No doubt we will eventually find a way to "bend" or negate the fundamental rules of reality.

>>11091168
>Dude science has been wrong before so it's probably wrong now
Except that's 100% correct. Please go be a dunning-kruger/pseud somewhere else.

>>11091140
I've been in this shithole so long my first thought about pic related is "thats a dude"

>>11091244
It's also foolish to believe in miracles and that science/engineering can do anything.

>>11095299
well no shit.. but it would no longer be reality,, it's quite simple then, we need to escape our simulation to make our own simulation that fits our needs better. (I don't care whether you think we're living in a simulation or not, it's irrelevant we're bound by the rules given regardless)

>>11095303
pffft the top 10% of tranons could never look as good as the top 1% (pic) of females. in the same way as the top 10% of female athletes can never compete in the top 1% of males, or if they could it's so extremely unlikely it's not even worth considering and we will never see it.

When someone's right there's no other response than: "yeah, sure"

stupid narcisistic dumb fuck.

>>11092520
Correct

>>11091140
Common folk will speak with shit in their teeth, don't bother yourself with brushing their teeth for them.
accepting bullshit that satisfies a cult like appeal is a perfect sign of obvious retardation, only someone stupider than a moron would attempt to argue with the deaf, daft, and blind.
point them in the right direction, you're not their fathers, they are not children. It is by their own volition they live in ignorance.
>>11091152
yeah last night a jew stole my secret formulas for FLT drives, it's real, it's really real.
>>11094211
lobotomy was already invent, what the fuck are we doing?
Humans are fucking delusional assholes.
I don't want to traverse the fucking cosmos. what the FUCK. why? why the fuck would I want to do that? are these people's lives so fucking shitty they want to literally blast themselves into a meaningless and mundane void?
They want machines to think for them because it's too hard for them, they want robot assistants to wipe their asses, they want immortality, they want to enhance the size of their peepee. what the fuck. These people are literal man-children.
Maybe it's because My grandparents came from a different country and brought different values and therefore made my super ego different, but I can not fucking stand these children.
They want to be retarded babies living in a fantasy world.
Blasting into space to live on some imaginary martian paradise? that is NOT normal behavior. I am seriously concerned for my people, the American people.
I'm in my 20s, and what I worry about isn't about some asshole shooting metal into space or fucking up our brains with his radiation so he can send his wrinkly dick to teen girls faster. I am worried about the safety of my neighborhood, how am I going to raise kids with homeless men that are filthy, carrying disease, over dosing in parks, screaming in the streets, and pouring coffee on a baby (Yes that really happened).
Holy shit, this is real life.

>>11095368

Oh wow, look at this guy! He is concerned about society. Lol.

Well go ahead, try to change other people. Report back how it went.

>>11091140
I want a girl like that :-(

>>11091140
>FTL travel is impossible
As of current paradigm it is but only because of the axiom "Nothing travels faster than light". If the current paradigm gets debunked then FTL travel will be an undeniable consequence.

>>11091140
"FTL is impossible" mean more than one thing.
One is moving faster than proton and that will probably stay impossible.
Another is warping space-time around us so we reach a destination faster than proton in normal space. This one is possible within the current laws of physics even if we don't know a pratical way to make it happen.

>>11095395
no point, read my previous part,
"Common folk will speak with shit in their teeth, don't bother yourself with brushing their teeth for them.
accepting bullshit that satisfies a cult like appeal is a perfect sign of obvious retardation, only someone stupider than a moron would attempt to argue with the deaf, daft, and blind. "
I just worry man. I don't want my future kids to be sucked into this type of mental illness, I mean what if I fuck up and my future kid becomes an engineer?
what the fuck

>>11091140
Give up.

Light is always slower or faster than light. Therefore something is always FTL.

>>11091140
gas the normos

iq war now

>>11095302
Oh really? Do you assume medicine is wrong then? When you get sick you refuse to get medical help because it's probably false?

>>11091140
He has a point

You got owned by a normie

>>11091168
That's a 100% true statement. Where people go wrong is then assuming that alternative "science"/conspiracy theories/shit I saw on YouTube are better than mainstream science and relying on those. We are probably wrong about most things, but science is still your best bet.

>>11093764
uhh... exotic matter ?

>>11098522
Uhh... fairy tales?

>>11093408
Always thought it was bizarre how scifi voyagers are mortal

>>11091168
>>11091140
You are misunderstanding science. It's not that "science has been wrong before so it can be wrong now". Science has always been about observation and trying to understand those observations, making guesses using our understanding, and then trying to confirm those guesses through repeatable observation.

Through our current understanding of science, we cannot think up any feasible way in which FTL travel would be possible. That doesn't mean that current science says it's impossible, just that we don't know any way by which it would be possible.

>>11091260

Transhumanists can go fuck themselves right into a one-way trip to the sun.

>>11099684
Why you fucking luddite?

>>11099051
It does say its impossible