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Why not both?

>>11083094
You're being sarcastic but it's unironically true. Mass misunderstanding of statistics and data is a huge detriment to society. That is knowledge that can be applied to almost everything we do, unlike trig.

>>11083094
But...we do? Is statistics not a class in high school?

>>11083094
then we’d just have a bunch of uppity teenagers who think they know everything

But High School students do both? Neither takes that much time from the school year
Side note: Anyone who says "hot take" deserves to be executed

>>11083105
>>11083110
stat was offered at my high school as an ap class, you could take either it or calculus

>>11083109
we have that anyways
the only difference is they'll actually be more correct

>>11083121
Correct. However in my estimation only maybe ~10% (AT BEST) of students in high school take a statistics course.

>>11083110
now that's a hot take right there

what is causal inference

>>11083141
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+causal+inference&s=g

>>11083144
why does that need an entire class

but if kids understood statistics they would be racist

>>11083152
That's something I hadn't considered.

>Despite...

>>11083094

i agree with this

Some people tell me the percentage of people understand statistics is statistically insignificant.

But I like to retort, how can you say that when you haven't even interviewed half the people in America?

>>11083152
exactly the opposite

>>11083152
lmaoooooo

>>11083104

Did you somehow forget about how trigonometry is used almost daily in all kinds of jobs? lol

>>11083105
>>11083110
It was only an AP class at my school. Almost nobody took it. It should be standard curriculum.

>>11083163
how is that the opposite?
and which group is 0.6%?

>>11083162
underrated

>>11083110
Hot take: Anyone who says "side note" deserves to be executed

>>11083169
like what?

>>11083177
>how is it the opposite?
because if people understood statistics and could reason cogently they wouldn't fall for simpleminded racist propaganda

>and which group is 0.6%?
blacks with violent crime convictions are ~0.6% of the US black population, according to the US bureau of justice statistics' (BJS) figures

if you're trying to justify "predictive policing" and claim "the blacks bring it on themselves" that stat isn't going to be very convincing.
so instead, you pull in some loosely-related numbers and then present a new """"""""statistic""""""""
>blacks are 13% of the population but commit 50% of violent crimes!!1
and idiots eat it up like hotcakes.

>>11083163
despite being only 0.01% of the population, caucasians are responsible for 100% of slaves freed

>>11083340
Gun owners are responsible for 100% of gun violence.

>>11083365
Nah, gun thiefs exist.

There's a party in america that still wants to teach creationism side by side with evolution in schools. Not gonna happen, it's going to cause them to lose votes if people understand how to interpret data and not fall for actual fake news.

>>11083438
Ownership is a fuzzy concept

How about we teach basic life skills instead of math that even for the small amount of people that'll get use out of it will forget and have to relearn by the time they need it. Perhaps educate people about nutrition so we don't have ever retarded normie going OMG LE GMO LE CARBS AND GLUTEN LE FAT LE MSG LE LITERALLY EVERYTHING I DON'T UNDERSTAND BAD BECAUSE ORGANIC FOOD COMPANIES TOLD ME SO, not to mention all the fucking lardasses

>>11083524
Furthermore when you think about it the average idiot's nutritional education is literally just from propaganda since nobody is actually teaching them besides commercials

>>11083524
Almost every state has a mandatory nutrition class as part of its curriculum and they're fucking useless. The only way you fix the issue is to label childhood obesity as parental abuse.
We are already bogged down by tons of "life skills" classes that slow down already smart kids and force them with the general population. Kids should be split off from each other as early ad possible. Let the dumbass monkey kids learn how to do literal addition in their tax class.

Some time ago there was a guy named Andrew Hacker who claimed that high school algebra should be abolished and replaced with arithmetic word problems. Not sure what became of that.

>>11083524
Actual old-fashioned Fascism is the only potential "solution" I see.

Obesity and unhealthy diets are the inevitable result of the widespread availability and relative inexpensiveness of simple carbs, high fructose corn syrup, and fast food. Take a drive down any reasonably populated American town and you will pass DOZENS of fast food places within 10 minutes. People eat this stuff because they want to, and they like it. Modern agriculture makes this stuff very cheap too.

America values personal freedom, as well as the freedom to do business. People demand cheap tasty food, and businesses are happy to supply it. This is how America works whether we like it or not.

So the only way to realistically stop, or even object to this is to step in and say "No, just because businesses can supply people with something that they demand doesn't mean they should always be allowed to. Public health demands constraints on this." So if the existence of abundant and cheap but shitty food is detrimental to the people and society, it shouldn't be allowed to exist. Arguments like this are textbook Fascism, and are largely antithetical to the classical liberal framework that prevails in America.

A similar argument can be applied to porn, although that would be pretty much impossible to actually implement, even if legislation demanded it.

>>11083163
>>11083337
What is the citation on this.

To truly understand statistics it requires a prior knowledge of calculus, otherwise anything beyond means, medians, max, mins ect. become meaningless. Even something like even an expected value, a very simple concept on paper, makes no sense without a calc 2 level knowledge of series. Without this background statistics is too easily misinterpreted, for instance, even psychology researchers don't have a particularly better grasp of what statistics means than the general population, and they use it all the time, yet their field is still pseudoscience (see 30% replication rate). This is the kind of stuff that will be our downfall, I'd rather have a select few with rigorous, correct knowledge, than everybody having an incomplete, easily warped knowledge of the subject.

>>11083617
Trig is genuinely unintuitive nonsense that is just taped onto the rest of math.
We would probably see far better educational results with putting calculus before trig.
The only things that make trig into something functional is actually already knowing the fundamentals of calculus otherwise it is the most awkward shit on the planet.

>>11083152
This

>I'm bad at trig so no one else should have to learn it

>>11083101
This.

>>11083152

False, if people actually learned statistics and read about "recidivism" they would understand that population crime stats are inflated. Recidivism is what explains high crime stats as it highlights a smaller sub-set of the criminals/convict population committing multiple crimes throughout their lifetime.

But it's easier to meme the "despite being 13%..." phrase because the average person is a retarded brainlet.

>>11083094
the fact it takes an entire school year to learn fucking algebra or trig is the problem

no way those should take longer than a semester. school has become too bloated

>>11083629
trigonometry has been in use for far, far longer than calculus has been around. can you give any examples of something "unintuitive"?

>>11083763
They should not even take a semester desu.

>>11083110
>>11083264

And that was how World War 3 began.

>>11083811
That biggest example is learning about identities before you ever learn how to derive

>>11083152
They would also never drive a car. Global warming solved?

>>11083094
>wed be a lot better off teaching kids things that only mathematicians and analysts actually know how to use correctly
A watered-down version of statistics and/or analytics will get you to precisely the point we've already arrived at. This would change absolutely nothing. You'd figure after the reproducibility crisis happening in virtually every soft-science humanities discipline that haphazardly employs statistics, we'd recognize that throwing around numbers isn't sound mathematics and that the ability to solve an equation does not guarantee the detection of truth. After the last couple decades of people misappropriating and mischaracterizing every Logical Fallacy™ they could find, we'd recognize that giving people half-ass versions of analytic tools means they make worse than simply rational decisions, and that there is a fundamental difference between analysis and rationalization that cannot be taught in a single classroom (especially considering it's something that researchers, politicians, and experts of all sorts of disciplines still struggle with).

What you need is a population that isn't so fucking convinced they are authorities on everything because they can google search it and skim the abstract of a scientific report. What you need is less academic instruction, and more actual education, principally in the realm of intellectual humility. All the different bits of knowledge you can cram into a child's head will get them no where without knowing not just when or how, but why to apply it.

This idiot is another shining example of the problem I'm describing. She has a thimble full of knowledge about social problems, rationalized a piecemeal solution that doesn't address the problem, and lacks the knowledge and education to rigorously analyze the situation and develop a solution that would actually work. She's taking a complete shot in the dark, and her analysis demonstrably boils down to, "Makes sense to me!"

>>11083516
It's absolutely not, you just don't know any of the definitions of ownership. "People who possess guns are responsible for 100% of gun violence" is the accurate statement. There are contextual, denotative, and legal differences between possession and ownership, all of which are readily knowable.

>>11083337

>Sourceless statistic
Vs.
>Bernie and every other retarded liberal says that one third or one fourth of black men end up in prison as an excuse to call police racist.

So all the liberal politicians you worship are lying? Tons of black people go to prison

>>11083891
>because they can google search it and skim the abstract of a scientific report
We would be a million times better off if people actually did that. They don't.

>>11083094
Objectively true
>>11083169
What year is it?

>>11083094
You don't learn that in school, your parents are supposed to teach you that.
>Get rid of (school subject) replace with (soft skill)
Anti intellectualism, and trying to force the school to assume the role as parent

>>11083337
Have you ever been around or interacted with black people?
Youd know they're foul beasts if you had and wouldn't be doing mental gymnastics

>>11083094
Brainlet take.
Triogonometry, primitive as it is, is still a part of Geometry, one of the most beautiful fields of math.

Statistics is of the most boring and uninteresting branches of math

>>11083629
>Trigonometry
>Unintuitive

Are you literally retarded?

>>11083899
Bait

>>11083963
Bait

>>11083758
>population crime stats are inflated
Would they be equally inflated for each race or would some races be more prone to recidivism?
Nevermind.
Better not look that up...

US public education math needs some stepping up. It's basically basic algebra and geometry until 11th or 12th grade. Then you can elect to take calc, or do trigonometry.

>>11083839
What do you mean "derive"? Derive as in calculus derive? If anything, derivation and integration at the highschool level are the least intuitive math concepts, hands down. You're sort of just showed the chain rule and expected to use it without any background beyond the (f(x+h) -f(x))/h, the most arbitrary concepts. Same thing for any other derivation/integration algorithms, like why does integration by parts even work?

Trig is not arbitrary, not arbitrary at all. It's all just ratios, triangle inequalities and pi.

>>11083094
>Kids should be taught to accept propaganda instead the most important math.
Statistics didn’t tell us how far away the moon was.
FTFY

>>11083920
>conflating homicide conviction rates with total incarceration rates
Exactly what this thread is about.
Brainlets are easily confused and routinely conflate different statistics without even realizing it.

>>11084017
>accurate thinking is mental gymnastics
0.6% is not a high percentage, it's a very simple concept

>>11083575
Are you asking because you actually want to see the data and will reconsider your position once you see it, or are you just hoping you can dismiss the inconvenient facts by calling me a liar?

Well, I'm not like your (((handlers))), who never provided you any sources (not that you even deigned to ask).

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

>>11084361
>what did he mean by this

>>11084361
So only 0.6% of niggers murder. That's still 6x the murder rate in the white community. On the bright side its mostly niggers killing other niggers so I agree with your point that we shouldn't be policing them

>>11083094
We would be better off if they taught multivariable highschool by grade 12. those that can't pass should be euthanized

>>11084345
liberals are far more racist than conservatives

>>11084345
>Social Psychological and Personality Science
This is what the average humanities scholar thinks a reputable journal is.

>>11084415
I didn't even want to get into that... and to think he unironically posted that on /sci/ like anyone here would think he was posting something with any scientific merit... just makes me feel for the state of this board.

>>11083094
Actually UNDERSTANDING statistical inference (and not parrot fashion applying formulas)requires a solid math background, including calculus (for gaussian integrals among other things) so you'll need to know some trigonometry.

>Not doing vector calc in middle school.
Kek

>>11084469
No there's tons of it that you can understand on an intuitive level without having to do it rigorously. You can use demonstrations and examples to illustrate theorems instead of proving them and you can handwave all the calc you need by alluding to a histogram and then talking about areas under curves.

>>11083524
These "basic life skills" shouldn't be taught by schools, it's the role of the parents.
The real problem is that the traditional family has been slowly dismantled since the 60s.
Of course a single mother wageslaving 42 hours a week for a boss won't have the time to cook home made recipes and teach basic nutrition to her kid through example since she's likely already eating prepared trash herself.

Leftists want more and more courses not understanding it's pointless if the kid lives in a shitty culture with a mother who has barely enough time for him and no father.

>>11084710

>GO BACK TO /POL/

The only problem with trigonometry is that the 360 degree system doesn't line up with the decimal system we use for everything else, hence why calculating cosines, sines, and tangents is so difficult to do by hand.

>>11084414
yeah liberals are the real racists after all. Liberals are the ones that hate hitler the most

>>11084727
>4 WORDS BEAT A PARAGRAPH

>>11083094
It's sad that young people can learn the quickest but they're taught the most obsolete shit and taught at a super slow pace.

>>11084710
>These "basic life skills" shouldn't be taught by schools
Yes they should

>>11084421
>>11084415
Guys he has like ten articles some from rather reputable journals, you're only triggering the dump

>>11083094
How the fuck is "kids should learn something in school" a hot take? The kurds dont deserve their own nation is a hot take. The ongoing genocide of uighur muslims isnt a problem is a hot take. Homosexuality is a disease is a hot take.

Christ there is a whole section of western society that just needs to drop dead.

>>11083629
>Trig is genuinely unintuitive nonsense that is just taped onto the rest of math.
We would probably see far better educational results with putting calculus before trig.

TIL that basic mechanical advantage isnt intuitive. You must really struggle doing literally any physical task.

>>11083152
>DESPITE MAKING UP ONLY 13 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION...

>>11084777
It’s on purpose. The federal board of education enforced compulsory shitty education and indictrination in order to create workers for the oligopoly, not to raise up people with the mental weapons to fight them, retard.
First thing you get taught is to stand in a bread line.

>>11084808
“school” shouldn’t be compulsory or federally controlled. It’s a low security concentration camp.

>>11083104
you are an imbecile trigonometry is far more important, being such a fundamental building block. Just because your brain lacks three dimensional comprehension, don't pull the rest down with you.

>>11085207
Yet, you give no examples. I actually use trig regularly for my job (civil engi). Firstly, most jobs aren't engineering jobs. Secondly, the Pythagorean Theorem gets the job done 99.99% of the time, and can be taught in minutes.

>>11084415
>>11084421
How about this journal, guys? Is it reputable?

>>11084768
>decimal system
yikes

>>11084768
>decimal system
yikes

>>11083337
>>blacks are 13% of the population but commit 50% of violent crimes!!1
Even the graph you posted yourself says that is true.

>>11084415
classic example of retards posting statistics without knowing how to interpret them

>>11084421
>I didn't even want to get into that...
>implying you've ever used SJR
notice he left the journal impact factor / SJR quartile (hint: it's Q1) out of his screenshot
if you weren't larping as a scientist, you'd know journal impact / citation counts are relative to the field

pic related are SJR stats for the famous journal "Intelligence" which contains the important race+iq papers including the minnesota transracial adoption study, lynn's original african iq study, etc.
and yet it is lower ranked than this journal >>11084345

>just makes me feel for the state of this board.
i guess the only thing to do is go back to >>>/pol/ where academic rigor is respected, run along now

>get to college
>physics 101
>it's pretty much assumed you can to trig in order to solve even the most basic problems of projectile and rotational motion
Nope, definitely teach trig to teenagers.

>>11083094
I actually did take stats instead of trig in high school.
Counselors fucked my schedule in 10th grade and put me in ap stats instead of trig, so I went into calculus in 11th grade having never taken trig

>>11085495
>>11084405
>but it's true
That was the point
Two true facts ("blacks are 13%" and "50% of convictions are black") are presented next to each other, as if causally related, to mislead brainlets
The fact that 99.4% of blacks don't have a violent crime conviction is omitted
If, by chance, a less retarded brainlet does ask how often a black turns out to be a killer, he gets answered not with hard numbers, but with "more often than whites" which satisfies him while keeping him away from the salient data


Maybe you can see the fallacy more clearly if you consider the leftist version:
>Blacks are 13% of the population but <1% of new big tech hires
Leftist brainlet sees this and thinks:
>if big tech is racist, then blacks will be underrepresented
>since blacks are underrepresented, big tech is racist, as I suspected
Meanwhile, last year in 11 states, 0 blacks took the AP CompSci exam, so maybe big tech's not hiring blacks because there's no blacks to hire? But this information is omitted from meme discussions, and if you dare bring it up, people accuse you of mental gymnastics

>>11085820
>99.4% of blacks don't have a violent crime conviction
source?

>>11085820
>The fact that 99.4% of blacks don't have a violent crime conviction is omitted
How is that relevant? What is the percentage of whites that don't have a violent crime conviction? That this percentage is small is simply your subjective view, when the actual point being made is that it is multitudes higher than for other racial groups. If blacks are a small racial group yet responsible for the majority of violent crimes, the frequency that a black turns out to be a killer is way higher than that of whites or other groups, so the original point still stands.

>>11085865
Racism is taking a behavior only 0.6% of a race exhibits and using that to characterize the other 99.4%. Statistically, that doesn't make sense.

>>11083101
This, we could do both if we used Tau (2*Pi) instead of Pi. Half of what confuses the teens in trigonometry is messing around with the weird factor of 2 change. The time taken to teach trigonometry could be cut in half. Cut out some useless trig rules as well and you would almost have enough time for a full stats course. Cut a bit more here and there on advanced algebra stuff (e.g. there is really no point in teaching anything to do with matrices to high school students) and you are good to go.

>>11083094
>instead of history
Ftfy

>>11085881
Please also posy the same stat for white people and Hispanics and let's make real conclusions instead of your worshipping and damage controlling for blacks.

>>11085881
Do those stats even factor in a place like Africa? You know where Africans majorly live? They eat babies to cure HIV, and have 15 kids while having HIV. They genocide one another on a weekly basis, are there even any crime stats from Africa that are a smidge accurate?

>>11085991
So you're not racist against African Americans?

>>11085865
>How is that relevant?
First: because it makes a case against racial profiling; i.e., punishing the 99.4% for the actions of the 0.6%. This contradicts the concept of presumed innocence and is obviously unethical.

Second, it reveals that the actual number of violent criminals is small enough to be easily explainable by causes that affect other races.
One example would be mental health. You think blacks don't see drive-by shootings as total insanity? Put enough nutjobs in a confined urban area with no education, little opportunity, sprinkle in a ton of drugs and guns, and watch the fun. See pic related. Notice the percentage. It wouldn't even be controversial to suggest that these types make up a good chunk (if not an overwhelming majority) of the 0.6%.

>>11085981
>compared to white people and Hispanics
Irrelevant. The assertion here is that it would be wrong to practice "predictive policing" (you could call it "rigged witch hunts" if you wanted) against any group.

>>11083094
But you need trig to understand statistics. This is a classic case of someone who is so well educated they've forgotten the baby steps you have to take before you learn more complicated things.

>>11083094
the central limit theory conclusions are wrong, which makes all of high school lvl stats useless

>>11086023

don't be a fool.

>>11083094
You can't understand statistics without calculus and trig is an important part of calculus. I'm reminded of a time where some ignorant lawyer spoke to my class about how she loves statistics but can't stand calculus and never took it in college.

>>11086023
>First: because it makes a case against racial profiling

what about non-violent crime? what about people who never get convicted or arrested for their violent crimes? you're out of your mind. a real grade-A nutcase.

>>11083104
There's too much widespread ignorance and idiocy around stats. You'd have teachers that truly believe xkcd tier shit like "correlation is not causation" spreading their stupidity to teens. It's insufferable enough as it is.

Who need any of them?

We have computers lmao

>>11086141
xkcd tier is far better than where the current average joe is at.

>correlation is not causation
It's actually kind of true. Correlation can suggest a causal relationship, but you shouldn't assume a direction of causation. (If A correlates with B, that might mean that A causes B, or that B causes A, or that C causes both A and B.) Also, correlation can be p-hacked, so ideally you would specify the correlation you are looking for before investigating it as an argument for a particular cause.

>>11086106
>mass shootings by incels who post on chans are a mental health issue
>mass shootings by blacks have little to do with mental health
>aggressive policing of incels who post on chans would be heavy-handed, if not unconstitutional
>aggressive policing of blacks is just common sense

>>11086183
>when you run out of arguments
welcome to /sci/

>>11086183
>>11086195

that was my first reply in the thread. i'm not out of arguments, i'm just sick of arguing with idiots who don't listen to reason and haven't an ounce of common sense. you are both fools. i'd never even heard of the word "incel" before you assholes built some bizarre archetype around it to pin to disaffected white youth, who are probably the most non-threatening subset of people on the planet.


>mass shootings by incels who post on chans are a mental health issue

and how often does that happen? hm? someone gets murdered every sixteen hours in chicongo, on average.

fuck you and the horse you rode in on you goddamned idiot.

>>11086208
>and how often does that happen? hm? someone gets murdered every sixteen hours in chicongo

chicago

>>11086208
cont.

oh, and a person is shot every three hours in chicago. isn't that lovely?

black people are more violent and prone to crime. there is no denying that. it's a goddamned fact. cops have to deal with it 24/7, and so of course they develop biases. of course they profile. of course they're more careful when it comes to dealing with african americans, of course they're more suspicious. how could they not be?

>>11086208
>disaffected white youth, who are probably the most non-threatening subset of people on the planet.
so you're saying we shouldn't characterize a group of people based on the actions of a small percentage of said group?
i totally agree.

>and how often does that happen? hm?
how often does an islamic terror attack on american soil happen?

>someone gets murdered every sixteen hours in chicongo, on average.
this doesn't actually contradict anything i wrote
also, you have yet to actually make a point. what exactly are you trying to show?

>>11086023
>First: because it makes a case against racial profiling; i.e., punishing the 99.4% for the actions of the 0.6%

but they're not being punished, right? inconvenienced perhaps, but punished? it's part of a cop's job to find criminals, so if black people are more likely to be hiding a weapon or drugs or whatever, then it's reasonable that cops would be more suspicious of them.

>>11086238
see
>>11086245


and yes, it is somewhat unfair to law abiding blacks, but that's just how it is. black people commit more crime, so they get checked out by the cops more often. life isn't always fair to me, and it's not always fair to you.

if cops are giving law-abiding blacks a hard time just for kicks, then yes, that's wrong. but for the most part, i believe they do not harass law-abiding blacks on purpose. if you look like a thug you might get stopped more often. people who drive red cars get stopped more often.

>>11085820
>The fact that 99.4% of blacks don't have a violent crime conviction is omitted
Source indeed ?
It seems to be a low number given that for the sole year of 2016, according to FBI data (ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21) 0,4% (150 000 for 40 000 000) of the black population was charged with a violent crime.

>>11086023
>because it makes a case against racial profiling; i.e., punishing the 99.4% for the actions of the 0.6%.
But that's normal for police work. The whole of the population having to live under surveillance for what few individuals do is the standard. It just intensifies if the concerned population has more of those individuals, but it's the same principle.
For example, men are more policed for being potential rapists than women, despite rapists being a very small percentage of men. It's legitimate because that's the only way to police rapists.

>it reveals that the actual number of violent criminals is small enough to be easily explainable by causes that affect other races.
But that's not how things work. Genetics, culture and economics can all equally be the cause of something that affects 0.6% and of something that affects 60%. The number being big or small doesn't change anything to the causes.

>>11086232
That's the point of the OP, brainlets all the way from cops to legislators have drawn inaccurate conclusions about what constitutes "probable cause" for >13% of the population, all because they don't understand statistics or causal reasoning

>>11086245
>inconvenienced perhaps, but punished?
this thing to the left has something to say about being randomly stopped and interrogated by enforcers who are themselves above the law and have literally shot people for pulling their wallet out of their pocket
take it up with the founders

>>11086270

this anon has it right:
>>11085865

>>11086270

and for some reason i suspect that the founders would have my side on this, but i digress

>>11086268
>Source indeed ?
the same source posted earlier ITT >>11084361, from which the "50% of violent crime conviction" stat is also originally sourced. (unsurprisingly, you didn't ask for a source on that stat, despite apparently not knowing where it came from)
at least read the full reply chain before you respond

>>11086270

this anon has it right:
>>11085865


>>11086270
>this thing to the left has something to say about being randomly stopped and interrogated by enforcers who are themselves above the law and have literally shot people for pulling their wallet out of their pocket
>take it up with the founders

oh fuck you pal. i think the founders would have my side on this one, and i have a far bigger bone to pick about modern interpretations of the constitution than you do.

>>11086270

this anon has it right:
>>11085865

>>11086270
>this thing to the left has something to say about being randomly stopped and interrogated by enforcers who are themselves above the law and have literally shot people for pulling their wallet out of their pocket
>take it up with the founders

i think the founders would probably have my side on this one.

>>11086303
This paper only talks about homicide, while you were talking about violent crime.
Besides, browsing it quickly, I can't see a total number of convicts.
Where did you actually get that number ?

>>11086322
>people think that blacks commit more crime (which they probably do)
>police are sent to patrol black neighborhoods more
>police stop and arrest black people more because they're in their neighborhoods more
>more blacks would be arrested for the same homocide rates, based on simple probability
>black people discriminated against in justice system, and get convicted at a much higher rate and get much harsher sentences, even when every other factor is controlled for
>police look at arrest rates in black neighborhoods, sees increase in arrests and convictions
>more police sent to black neighborhoods
>cycle keeps happening, massively inflating black crime numbers while depressing white crime numbers.

>>11083094
But trigonometry is so important for the physical sciences because of how necessary it is to study introductory physics.

>>11086281
that guy already got blown the fuck out. that's why he exited the thread post-haste.

>>11086305
>>11086281
>>11086287
>>11086322
>double, triple, and even quadruple posting the same thing
i know you're upset but catch your breath and at least try to develop a cogent argument.

>i think the founders would have my side on this one
not on the suspension of 4th amendment rights they wouldn't.
on the matter of "probable cause" they would have your side only because they didn't consider blacks to be human, which for an american in 1791 could be understandable.
it's not at all clear that they would all be racists in 2019, especially since they weren't brainlets

>>11086455
>i know you're upset but catch your breath and at least try to develop a cogent argument.

i'm not at 100% right now, so you'll have to forgive my editing. it's hard for me to compose good replies when i've run out of my adhd meds.

>>11086455
>it's not at all clear that they would all be racists in 2019, especially since they weren't brainlets

are you kidding? they'd probably think we're mad for even discussing this, and they'd be right. it's asinine. what's it to you? are you black? i hope so, at least then i'd have some modicum of respect for you. white SJWs are truly the worst.

>>11086428
You'd think they'd include a way to adjust for police presence in their models. Like maybe you would have a higher ceiling on your error bars for number of crimes committed in an area that is not heavily policed, relative to the number of convicted offenders.

>>11086428
>massively inflating
By how many % ?

>>11085964
>Half of what confuses the teens in trigonometry is messing around with the weird factor of 2 change.
No its not what the fuck are you talking about, have you ever taught trig

>>11084136
this, what a fucking idiot lmao

>>11083094
they should have both.

>>11083365
that's interesting. it's almost like having a gun is a prerequisite to using one.

why can't centrists handle the 13/50? they either claim it's a racist lie or make up absurd rationalizations.

if I was a centrist the easier argument is to say it doesn't justify racism. it's the hard environment, cops, etc that makes this statistic.

11086809
>daily reminder about the 13/50!
>holy shit stfu and go away
>KEK TRIGGERED SJW

>>11085820
>The fact that 99.4% of blacks don't have a violent crime conviction is omitted
It's omitted because it's a irrelevant statistic. Murder rates are inherently low. A murder rate of 0.6% in a population is fucking astronomical. It's FOUR ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE greater than the global average. Blacks are 6 times more likely to be murderers relative to whites in the US. Is the average black on the street a murderer? No, of course not. That's not the point of 13 but also 50. It's just brining light to the fact blacks are overrepresented among the small fraction of society that ends up as killers.

>>11087037
>racists r wrong cuz like 40% of blacks dont kill someone ever year so they r good
Lmao it's cool bro only like 20% of blacks kill someone a year like why blame the 80% that dont bro like who cares if everyone's gonna be killed like the 80% bro

A "basic" stats class that's too advanced for elementary and high school doesn't do a whole world of good, most high school kids know that stats can be manipulated anyways

Trig is at least useful for construction and shit brainlets will need, and is a good introduction to more complex maths

Stats and other shit, which is taught to some degree, appears as a buzzword for retards to just bitch about

Waaah teach stats that'll teach nazis better
Waaaah teach finances
Waaaah teach how to do taxes and like build stuff

People are taught English for 12 years and still can't write, you aren't going to fix "racism" with a math class (assuming you were even right, and aren't misreading the stats yourself)

>>11087037
>violent crime conviction becomes murder rate
Just like that

>>11083110
It was offered as a regular class in high school for me.
Took it in 12th grade, but everyone else was in 11th grade.

>>11087085
Someone already pointed out your shit was talking about HOMICIDE, congrats on trying to bust someone on "wow u didn't read it and pulled a strawman" when you did

If you took stats and you're a retard that's wrong, why advocate for it

>>11083101
Because they also have to study other very important stuff, like humanities.

>>11083104
Probably but my trig boner is too big, anyone whose isn't probably wouldn't pass stats

It's more important to have fun in highschool imo. If math is useful but too hard to enjoy, the student isn't going to spend any more time getting the kind of grasp on it that takes years.

>>11084136
>>11086590

Some races are prone to higher rates of recidivism which is exactly the point. Again if you have a sub-set within a population reoffending at higher rates then the crime stats become inflated because it's allowing an individual to be counted multiple times. Brainlets interpret those multiple offenses as multiple individuals committing a separate crime of their own.

To put it in terms that you can understand. The best distance runners in the world are black. But within that population is a sub-set that consecutively produces a near majority of the best athletic runners (40% top medals in distant running), the Kalenjin tribe. That population consists of roughly 5 million people. Those 5 million are a small portion of Kenya which is 50 million people. The population of Sub-sahara Africa which Kenya is a part of is 995 million to 1 billion people. So out of that population only that 5 million has consecutively produced the near majority best distance runners. That means 40% of top medals are achieved by 0.5% (the 5 million) of nearly 1 billion black people. Then to top that off it needs to be highlighted that out of that 0.5% is a even smaller sub-set that's winning those medals and doing so multiple times.

A similar situation is happening in the crime stats for African Americans. Where a sub-set of those who offend are going to reoffend again multiple times. So assuming 2.6 million (6.5%) out of the 40 million are in prison/parole/probation. A sub-set of that 2.6 million is going to reoffend multiple times with some studies say 51% of all offenders. If accurate that will be 1.3 million (3.3%) of the 40 million that are reoffending. So 1.3 million individuals are causing most of the crime out of 40 million. This doesn't sound nearly as enticing as saying 13% of the population committing 37% of the crime. Because in truth it means 2.6 million of 40 million are responsible for said crime and 1.3 are the majority of the reoffenders.

>>11083564
Based.
>>11083617
I agree a real knowledge of statistics requires more advance math, but basic statistics is still more useful than trig. Expected value can be explained with a standard summation, e.g., expected value of a dice roll is perfectly sensible. I apply statistics a lot in my daily work and besides normal distribution, continuous distributions almost never come up in applying only in theory stuff. While actually calculating a p-value requires calculating an integral (usually numerically of course) the idea itself is fairly easy to explain with graphs, same with statistical power (which imo, most working social scientists don't even understand).

>>11083094
I have a similar opinion on linear algebra. It is so much more useful than calculus and should be taught at a HS level in its place. By far the most useful branch of math. It applies in the full gamut: from solving basic linear systems that can occur in everyday life all the way to solving differential equations and everything in between.

>>11087037
>A murder rate of 0.6% in a population is fucking astronomical
no it's not you retard. That's low enough that most people will never experience it

>>11087324
Reminds me of this

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3969807/
>The distribution of convictions was highly skewed; 24,342 persistent violent offenders (1.0 % of the total population) accounted for 63.2 % of all convictions.
>Persistence in violence was associated with male sex (OR 2.5), personality disorder (OR 2.3), violent crime conviction before age 19 (OR 2.0), drug-related offenses (OR 1.9), nonviolent criminality (OR 1.9), substance use disorder (OR 1.9), and major mental disorder (OR 1.3).

>>11086264
Classic sheltered suburban ritalin popping neet, you think it's like a couple extra traffic stops per year or something
In reality they stop and search the same guys over and over again because they just know they're criminals and by god they're going to find those drugs and that money you stole
To make an analogy maybe you can appreciate, think about the way Trump is being investigated for 3 new things every month, of course the left will dishonestly respond "well don't commit crimes and you won't get investigated" and "life's not fair", imo that kind of rationalizing just doesn't cut it and is literally why we have a bill of rights to protect the individual

>11086268
>For example, men are more policed for being potential rapists than women, despite rapists being a very small percentage of men. It's legitimate because that's the only way to police rapists.
You're not even making sense. Rape is policed in reaction to a specific accusation and suspicion of rape
They don't go riding through the streets, see a man, say "men are rapists", and then shake him down searching for rape evidence

Unironically I was afraid of any math above basic finance until I watched 3blue1brown's calculus series and now I'm still bad at math but it's way less intimidating

Schools just suck at teaching it

>>11087324
Reminds me of this, pic related
>The distribution of convictions was highly skewed; 24,342 persistent violent offenders (1.0 % of the total population) accounted for 63.2 % of all convictions.
>Persistence in violence was associated with male sex (OR 2.5), personality disorder (OR 2.3), violent crime conviction before age 19 (OR 2.0), drug-related offenses (OR 1.9), nonviolent criminality (OR 1.9), substance use disorder (OR 1.9), and major mental disorder (OR 1.3).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3969807/

>>11086264
Classic sheltered suburban ritalin popping neet, you think it's like a couple extra traffic stops per year or something
In reality they stop and search the same guys over and over again because they just know they're criminals and by god they're going to find those drugs and that money you stole
To make an analogy maybe you can appreciate, think about the way Trump is being investigated for 3 new things every month, of course the left will dishonestly respond "well don't commit crimes and you won't get investigated" and "life's not fair", imo that kind of rationalizing just doesn't cut it and is literally why we have a bill of rights to protect the individual

>>11086268
>For example, men are more policed for being potential rapists than women, despite rapists being a very small percentage of men. It's legitimate because that's the only way to police rapists.
You're not even making sense. Rape is policed in reaction to a specific accusation and suspicion of rape
They don't go riding through the streets, see a man, say "men are rapists", and then shake him down searching for rape evidence

>>11087934
>To make an analogy maybe you can appreciate, think about the way Trump is being investigated for 3 new things every month

american national politics are a ridiculous dog and pony show, and a complete disgrace to our great nation. i don't care for trump, hillary or any other two-faced bastard who makes their living putting on a show.

what do you want? less police presence in black communities? you know there are already a lot of black cops, who probably discriminate just as much if not more than white cops do.

>>11088043
>not wanting to be constantly harangued by police is controversial and unreasonable
the actual state of american cuckolds

>you know there are already a lot of black cops, who probably discriminate just as much if not more than white cops do.
yes, there are black brainlets too, i think anyone will agree

>>11088043
>>11088243

Cops took a much less active role in Baltimore after the chimpouts. As the liberal creator of the wire said, cops were afraid to do their jobs. Guess what happened?

Murder rate shot up, Baltimore crime went crazy. If only black people cared about crime that was committed by their own. Without a heavy-handed police presence, black communities would spiral into shit

>>11087643
>most people will never experience murder so it’s not a problem

Dude....

>>11088257
So if blacks leave the ghetto, they should reasonably expect less policing?

>>11087643
>As long as I can't see the issue right in front of me, it's not actually an issue!
Based retard

>>11087934
>Rape is policed in reaction to a specific accusation and suspicion of rape
Not quite true. They see a man hanging around a school or the backalleys near the exit of a nightclub, they're gonna police that.
>They don't go riding through the streets, see a man, say "men are rapists", and then shake him down searching for rape evidence
But okay, then the problem for you is not the profiling but the shake-downs.
And I can understand where you're coming from, as it happened to me a few times in my life because I look suspicious, and that was annoying. Last time was when I was hitchhiking close to the entrance of an highway, cops passed by, came back and frisked me. They saw a bearded hitchhiker, said "guys who look like that are dangerous", and shaked me down and questioned me for any evidence.
But that's police work. It's a pain but that's how it is. The alternative is less police.

Stop and frisk was by the way one of the reasons why crime dropped in the last thirty years.

>>11088243

answer my question. what exactly do you want? or do you just want to bitch?

>>11088257
>Without a heavy-handed police presence, black communities would spiral into shit

this is the unfortunate reality. anyone with a shred of common sense understands this. black communities would be third-world hellholes, just like they are in africa, without police doing their jobs. to believe otherwise is utter delusion.

i don't like it any more than these SJWs. it hurts me to say this just as much as it hurts them to listen, but it's the truth.

>>11088796
cont.

nobody wants to be the bad guy. nobody wants to be "racist". but certain things have to be said. things that most people understood at one point but no longer seem to understand. things that went unspoken out of human decency but now must be make explicit and clear to an increasingly delusional people.

I was taught both in my public high school
I'm from Brazil.

>>11083629
t. brainlet

>>11083094
>statistics and causal inference are great
>*race and crime*
>WHOA WHOA WHOA, not THOSE statistics

i never learned trig in high school

>>11088796

>black communities would be third-world hellholes,

It should be brought up that some of those third world sub-saharan African hellholes have lower Homicide rates. But this assumes you actually invested time google searching and comparing the U.S. cities compared to the African countries. This also assumes you actually gave a shit and not feigning care like some larp.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates_per_100,000_people_per_year

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

>>11089203
>This also assumes you actually gave a shit and not feigning care like some larp.
poltards don't actually look up data, "sources" is just a buzzword to dismiss an argument.

>>11088995
It's racists and poltards that hate statistics. That's why they refuse to learn how they work.

>>11089203

so what's your solution to urban crime/violence? let's hear it already.

>>11089203
>and not feigning care like some larp.

that's pretty rich coming from one of you fags.

>>11083629
Bro how could you even attempt to teach someone calc before learning trig. Thats like learning how to drive a car before knowing which pedal is the brake

>>11089398
>my shitty solution that makes things worse is better than no solution at all
drink bleach

>>11083101
This. Although I strongly agree kids should learn a lot more about statisticd, probability and proper inference in general. Let trigonometry be a testing tool for that.

>>11089375
>muh pol boogeymen
"Racists" and "poltards" love statistics, actually, because they BTFO manipulative retards like you.

>>11083094
is she amartya sen's daughter?

>>11083629
I just had to use *multiple* trig identities to show a particular stochastic process was weakly stationary. It's neither unnecessary not unintuitive. And it won't go away if you pretend it isn't there. Trig is waiting for you in the closet.

>>11084768
>hence why calculating cosines, sines, and tangents is so difficult to do by hand.
No, it's because trigonometric functions are transcadental.

Also,
>decimal system
yikes

>>11089538

so then, you're not interested in being constructive. you just want to be an annoying, belligerent jackass.

>>11090141
Snowflakes just can't handle having their delusions criticized.

>>11089618
What they love can hardly be considered statistics except in the most cynical sense, anon
What you call "manipulative" is actually called "rigorous" in the field

>>11083094
>imagine living in a country where statistics isn't part of the curriculum
>and trigonometry

>>11090148

i'm just tired of people who build their careers and/or egos bitching about white people. it's so tiresome to listen to again and again. what more do they want? our nation is going down the tubes because of their stupid bullshit and still they want more.

>>11090148

i'm just tired of people who build their careers and/or egos bitching about white people. people who live the good life while doling out cultural criticism from on high, or ingrates who don't know how lucky they are to live here. /pol/ has opened my eyes.


i hate the changes we're going through, and i resent the people who drive them.

>>11090141
you made a retarded statement and promptly got blown out by data, so you respond by demanding a complete and comprehensive solution to the problem of human crime.

ok then, here's step one of my solution: stop doing stuff that makes things worse

>>11090175
>promptly got blown out by data

how? please make your point and cite your sources one more time so we can have a civil discussion. it's a long thread with a lot of people, and sci does not have IDs, so please humor me.

>>11090172
>things are so good for me pls don't rock the boat!
>i know things are shitty for you, but it could be worse! pls be happy with it!

>>11090186

you're goddamned right it could be worse. they could be living in africa, among their own people and in their native setting, without first-world medical care, schools, fire departments, EMS, paved roads, nearby hospitals, plumbing & sewage, ostensible democracy, etc.

>>11090172
>bitching about white people
We're talking about misunderstanding and misapplication of statistics, and the resultant bad policies.
That white people are involved here is merely coincidental; the same criticisms apply to policies enacted by Chinese, Iraqis, and Rwandans.
You're just searching for a way to take it personally.

>>11090186

you're goddamned right it could be worse. they could be living in africa, among their own people and in their native setting, without first-world medical care, schools, fire departments, EMS, paved roads, nearby hospitals, plumbing & sewage, ostensible democracy, etc.

blacks depend on whites for a first-world lifestyle. they cannot do it on their own.

>>11090202
>We're talking about misunderstanding and misapplication of statistics, and the resultant bad policies.

racial profiling isn't a "policy".

>>11090204
cont.

but you know what? i'm happy to have them. really. what i'm not happy about is that blacks, along with certain (((others))) have kvetched so loud and for so long that white americans are losing their own national and cultural identity

>>11090233
cont.

and this has paved the way for all sorts of bullshit. i do not resent all black people or all jews or all chinese or all indians. but they all seem to want a piece of us, and they're taking it, because we're handing it over. this is why i am upset.

>>11090244
Why not go back to your home country?

do you understand that anon? can you understand where i'm coming from?

>>11083094
>>11085964
>>11083104
Trig literally takes like 2 weeks to learn you retards. Sine, Cosine, Tangent + a bunch of identities any teenager can memorize in under an hour. There I just explained all of trig. Why the fuck do people spend a year doing this?

>>11090250

because this is my home country. both sides of my family have been in nearly every major war. my grandfather built his own house, my father built his own house.

>>11090260
And that doesn't apply to descendants of slaves?

>>11087331
>Linear algebra is more useful than basic calculus
Insane.

>>11090266

typically? no. but i already said i'd be happy to have them if they'd stop kvetching about being forced to live like civilized humans.

>>11090244
>they all seem to want a piece of us

and this is the wort part. people don't come here to cooperate, or to participate in the "melting pot" any more than they have to. they come here to tear off a chunk of our flesh. they come here and promote their own people, they bring more over and use our resources.

how exactly am i supposed to feel about that? everyone's out to get you these days, it's very tiresome. even people here, in an anonymous forum, are out to get you.

Funny we should pick math based on 'usefulness'.

But if you request anything else it's about making you a rounded personality.

>>11090259
>why should students have a healthy understanding of trigonometric functions

Makes me wonder.

>>11090412
Sorry, but white people already did all that x1000

>>11090412
The idea of playing on an even playfield sure makes some people angry.

>this one libtard trying to argue niggers aren't prone to criminal behavior

I think the biggest hurdle to education in America at least is that the average teacher is a complete fucking drooling retard.
If the people teaching these kids are unable to grasp the math, obviously the kids never will.

>>11090455
>>11090488

so it's eye-for-an-eye, is it? see >>11090141

don't act self-righteous if you're going to be that way. get off your high horse you spiteful bastard.

>>11090455
>>11090488

so it's eye-for-an-eye, is it? see >>11090141

don't act self-righteous if you're going to be that way. get off your high horse you spiteful bastard. you're motivated by ego and spite, and not any sense of justice or self-determination.

>>11090854
Don't expect people being feeling bad that you can't play life on easy mode anymore.

Forever Tier Religious Music/10

>>11090531

they've built their entire ego on this imperative. of some skewed, tinted vision of social justice, which is really just amounts to petty vengeance against whites.

their mind is bricked.

>>11090859

when have i ever played on easy mode? my ancestors came here when they were starving. they came here when there was nothing here and carved a life out of nothing. they never owned slaves.

what the hell do you mean easy mode?

>>11090866
cont.

i do not come from money. my parents aren't rich, and neither were their parents. i don't know how you're picturing me, but you've got it all wrong.

>>11085207
No, you are being the fool. Statistics are much more applicable to the common person as long as the common person is allowed to vote.

>>11090854
>so it's eye-for-an-eye
Nope. You just need to recognize the human nature that exists in all races. Your superiority complex is amusing.

>>11090866
>>11090873
All white people benefitted from white supremacy. You said earlier that your grandfather owned land. Why doesn't everyone?

>>11090885

a small bit of land. he built his own house with his friends.

a small plot of land in the middle of nowhere costs virtually nothing, and when he bought it, it was indeed in the middle of nowhere.

>>11090892
>costs
It wasn't only about costs. A lot of black people's grandfathers were not allowed to buy land.

>>11083337

Okay but will you argue as fervently for people to read atasiti so properly and recognize the strong correlations between IQ and genetics?

>>11090897

well, they are now. the cost of an acre of land in the middle of bumfuck nowhere is probably less than what tyrone spends on his cell phone plan in a year.

>>11090897
A lot of black people's grandfathers were not allowed to buy land. Or had to pay more for worse land.

>>11090900
Not really, but the way your grandfather lived was likely similar to a 3rd worlder of today. Society generally tries to avoid such disparities in its population, and that disparity was directly caused by white supremacy.

>>11090920
>but the way your grandfather lived was likely similar to a 3rd worlder of today.

he wore a suit and tie daily. he went to church. he maintained his home and had interesting hobbies. he had good manners.

in other words, he had class. he did not live like a 3rd worlder.

>>11083094
>causal inference

like niggers and crime?
spics and destitution?

things such as this?

>>11090927
Everyone was like that back then

>>11090957

i'm not sure what your point is anymore. i'll just say that i have nothing personal against black people, but i think they have it pretty well in current year america, and most of their kvetching is unjustified.

>>11090965
Moving to the middle of nowhere is not viable in modern times. Unless you want to live like a 3rd worlder. We want to avoid the disparity that was caused by hundreds of years of white supremacy.

>>11090979
>Moving to the middle of nowhere is not viable in modern times.

why not? all my ancestors did it. they call came here when there was nothing. they moved into the middle of nowhere. land in rural america is still fairly inexpensive. i know plenty of people who've moved to rural america.

it's not that it's impossible, you just can't be bothered. and you have no faith that africans could do something like that on their own.

>>11090995
Even white rural Americans are struggling. There's a reason why the rural lifestyle is shrinking. Modern standards, like good hospitals, health care, schools, clean water, are just more expensive than it used to be, and having a job to afford these in rural America is getting rarer and rarer.

>>11091008

so don't tell me we're "playing on easy mode". nobody needs the gang violence. nobody needs the kvetching. nobody needs this influx of foreign migrants. they're all after a piece of america, and they don't want a rustic homestead. they want a cushy apartment in the city. they want a house in the suburbs. they want easy money, easy education, easy resources. they want BMWs and expensive cloths.

>>11091045
They just want to escape concentrated poverty, which was caused by white supremacy.

>>11091049

no, you want to spite us. you want a chunk of our flesh. i can feel your thinly-veiled aggression right through the goddamned internet. you'd take my livelihood and curse me under your breath.

>>11091056
cont.

and i'm not saying they're all evil, anon. i'm not saying they're all bad people, or even that most of them are bad people.

it just feels like everyone's gunning for us, and we have no way to raise our guard without being called "racist".

>>11090863
Yea dude I'm sure that happens in Africa aswell.

>b-but muh colonization
You know Africa was actually much better under colonization despite the atrocities committed. even then, you can't explain why pre-colonization Africa never got to discover the fucking wheel.

>>11091115

you sure you replied to the right post?

they should teach analytic geometry and basic calculus before trigonometry. burger education teaches kids the formulas without any clue where they follow from, which is why I think it's so unintuitive to most people

>>11083152
exactly the oposite. If kids were taught critical thinking, they wouldnt turn out to be complete dumbass conservatives.

>>11090979
>We want to avoid the disparity that was caused by hundreds of years of white supremacy.

Tell me about the white supremacy involved in japanese colonization of china and korea, as well as the arab conquest of southern european nations.

>>11085820
this

race realists just pretend to care about facts so that they can ignore the actual causes of problems in society and feel superior. Their skin colors all theyve got going for them

>>11083152

If women learned proper statistics none of them would date black men.

>>11083152
This so much. Same goes for Jews

>>11091346

>>11083337
>blacks with violent crime convictions are ~0.6% of the US black population, according to the US bureau of justice statistics' (BJS) figures
The point is that an average black person is more likely to commit crimes then any other race. Close to 1 in 100 (which is huge in the real word. Plus, you're not even selecting the portion of the population that is the most likely to commit violent crimes, young black men. I'd like to see how high the percentage of violent offenders is for that segment of the population is.

>>11091008
>even rural Americans are struggling
Not really, though lots of farms are going under right now. I really doubt most people in cities are living much easier

>>11083758
>recidivism
>for homicides
Nigga what are you smoking

>>11083564
>muh freedoms are all that matters even if it degrades the quality of life for everyone around me
>>11084710
Unironically is conservatism linked to schizophrenia because that's the only way I can rationalize 90% of the shit you retards post

>>11093062
>>11093067
>>11093362
Racism is banned on /sci/. Fuck off.

There is no difference between black men and other men. And if there is one, it's due to discrimination. And that doesn't belong to /sci/ but humanities

>>11083564
>educating people about nutrition is fascism
What the actual fuck is wrong with you. Also see >>11093445 - let's use the old example of guns. How do I have a "God given" right to carry around a thing designed to murder people as a paranoid retard but nobody has a right to not live around paranoid retards with guns

Personal freedoms just means "my feelings come first fuck everyone else"

>>11093362

>he thinks there aren't people who serve non-life sentences for homicide and manslaughter

Anon what the fuck are you smoking?Thirty seconds in Google search will give you a bunch of examples of people getting light sentences for homicide related crimes.

>>11093447
I'm >>11093067, how is what I said racist.. At all?

>>11093626
Are you a white male? Then you're racist

>>11090259
>>11090440
All trigonometry can be easily explained on one piece of paper. Really why do people have trouble with it?

>>11093677
Good for you.