/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11069461
[spoiler]Have sex[\spoiler]

>>11069461
This kills the word.

www.overleaf.com

>>11069461
>Mathematicians should strive to remove such extra-mathematical complexity for students
No students need to get used to having to put up with shit they don't like because there's a whole lot more of that coming after they graduate. If you're quitting over having to learn almost nothing about linux you weren't going to get very far anyway.

Also I don't see why you're holding LaTeX to a higher standard than Word, which is more of a bitch to install and takes no-one of fiddling to get anything to fucking work consistently.

>>11069461
>Word is easy to use
Stopped reading right there. False premise leads to false conclusions. Latex is MUCH easier to use than Word and has fewer bugs. Example: friend of mine did her thesis in Word. The toc has a bug in versions 2010 and 2013 where it would display every chapter as being on page 1. No way to change this.
Also typing formulas and using macros. Come on.

>>11069461
Word is for children. Latex is for grownups.

>>11069631
word is for children
latex is for sophomores
word is for intelligent adults

>>11069636
word is for highschool
LaTeX is for university
word is for giving up and going to industry

>>11069483
My husband and I wrote our Masters theses with LaTeX so that we could support various layout features with relative easy. I created a LaTeX template, and all we needed to do was write our chapters and sections in separate files. A bash script parsed the template and chapter files twice, and spat out a nice PDF.

Oh boy, did I ever get my butt kicked by the hassle of LaTeX support for custom CJK fonts. Oh good, just use that package. Oh no, that package doesn't work unless you use that engine. No, that engine doesn't support custom fonts, use a different one. Oh no, this other engine doesn't support that package, but here's a similar package whose arcane settings you need to tweak just right. It took nearly a week for me to get my template to match the university style guide without throwing hissy fits after each compilation — and then I added BibLaTeX to the mix, and it's a wonder the wall doesn't bear an imprint of my head getting my inline APA references to respect those font and layout choices, too!

For our purposes, just writing our theses in Word would've been a hundred times simpler. After we submitted our theses, I created a Word template, modified all the paragraph and character styles, set our preferred fonts with CJK support, checked that the line heights were consistent, double-checked the paragraph and line spacing, saved the template, and we've never looked back.
I'm with the author in that I'm absolutely fine with sane defaults, and I'm sure most people are, but sane defaults for an international world. I'm glad scientists and engineers have an easy way to typeset complicated equations and what have you, but it's such a pain in the neck to (a) support non-ASCII characters (b) in a font that you like (c) with consistent line height when using CJK fonts.

>>11069461
>Word is easy
so is latex
http://www.sciweavers.org/free-online-latex-equation-editor

you submit homework as pdf and nothing else wtf

>>11069461
It would seem you have never heard of LyX.

Dude just overleaf. After that you literally only have to type "what you want" latex in a search engine. Easy af.

>>11069461
>type report in word
>screencap and paste in LaTeX where necessary

>there are people who struggle with LaTeX

>>11069461
Big cope

>>11070726

god im so pissed that they created overleaf now every normie will start using latex and its going to become the new trash tier software just like anki and the internet in general

>>11069461
> sudo apt install texlive-full
> a tremendous amount of command-line bullshittery and arcane escape codes

Faggot

I work as an editor for a scientific journal. Nobody has ever submitted a manuscript in LaTeX. And if they did, I'd reject it and insist that they submit in a proper text format like Word or RTF.

>>11070822
To be fair, you also need an IDE if you're a beginner, so that would be 2 commands in total.

>>11072846
Good joke. I laugh.

>>11072846
I have been told that this is true.

>>11069483
>If you're quitting over having to learn almost nothing about linux
GNU/Linux

>>11069766
Some of my instructors wanted me to submit .tex files for them to compile.

>>11072885
I demand to know what university you went to right now.

>>11073000
WSU

>>11069461
>It takes a tremendous amount of command-line bullshittery and arcane escape codes to install, set up, and configure TeX and write up a basic problem set.
You must be literally braindead to believe this. I am guessing you're using Windows, and you find the following "tremendous[ly]" difficult?

>download miktex and texstudio
>install miktex, then texstudio
>start texstudio, start writing

>>11073509
is that easier to use than LyX?

>>11069472
Hand draw it and include it as an image.

>>11069461
If the math you're doing is so simple it can be typed in word, you don't belong on this board. Come back in 3 years.

>>11069472

>>11073552
Listen to yourself
You make me sick

>>11073552
Based and pragmaticalpilled

>>11073552
>>11073750
https://castel.dev/post/lecture-notes-2/

>>11069472
doesnt look like math desu

>>11069461
Just use Overleaf you scrub

>>11073114
Wichita State?

>>11069472
Aren't diagrams the worst thing to ever happen to math? Most unintelligible shit done by crappy teachers who just want to get around having to actually teach non-trivial stuff

>>11074024
Inkscape is good, but integration with word is trash. The link you posted literally states he uses it alongside latex. To use it with word, keeping it as a vector graphics will render it ugly. You pretty much have to use image files that scale and look like shit.

And even then, if you have ever used inkscape you would know it's hardly any faster/better than tikz.

Word looks like shit for documents with equations

>>11074664
>The link you posted literally states he uses it alongside latex.
Oh shit, I don't think I made clear my intent. I think when drawing extremely complicated figures, just drawing them up for hand in some program is much easier and faster for BOTH Word and LaTeX. It was not intended as a pro-Word argument, but it could be if you work on it!
>To use it with word, keeping it as a vector graphics will render it ugly. You pretty much have to use image files that scale and look like shit.
Just write a script that converts it into an actual image and automatically inserts it into you current Word document. I am sure you can figure this out for just about any drawing editor. If you read the link, you would see that this is what Castel does for his dank vim+LaTeX setup (except I think he uses the vector graphics data).

LaTeX is easy. I hate coding of every kind but I learned it in an afternoon. Graphics are harder but I learned it in a day. Just fucking do the work and learn it.

>>11074772
I guess. To be clear I have nothing against word/libreoffice and inkscape. And I agree that hand drawing certain figures on something like inkscape with a tablet is undeniably faster. But when a really precise drawing needs to be made, with a lot of symmetry or repeated pattern, I would still argue that latex is likely the best option. For example, trying to do proportional models for something, working with electric circuits (for example, what if you need to change something in the middle of the circuit? In most inkscape setups, this will require quite a bit of group selections, dragging, copy pasting, etc. And you will end up with something that may not have the proper proportions), plotting waves or other figures for theory/explanations, integrating trig functions (to be fair idk if inkscape can do this, but given the previous example of waves, what if you need to make a figure that depicts waves using a sin function?) Etc.

Or making a clean representation for vectors, planes etc in 2d and 3d etc.

>>11074840
I completely agree. I use tikz a lot too. I want to change my neutral position to pro LaTeX. I wanted to play waters (ph 7) advocate, but you bursted my gool and I gladly confess like a triangle. Currently there is no alternative to LaTeX for serious mathematical typesetting, but maybe there ought to be? I never use Word/Libreoffice.

ITT: seething sophomore engineers

>>11074626
Washington

>>11075187
You might be right, but at least they are fighting for a noble cause.

>>11069472
How on earth do you even type that in latex?

>>11075315
Have you never in your life heard of reverse image search?

https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/62407/adjust-spacing-between-specific-rows-with-xymatrix

>>11069461
Yeah okay let me type a 50 page document full of tensor calculus calculations on Word

Oh no it's a disaster

>>11075187
lol this. LaTeX takes little time to pick up and even knowing the bare basics makes for astounding results. A good exercise to start is e.g. making a small document that sums up the most important formulae, theorems, etc. for some course you're taking.
>>11075315
There's a package that makes these commutative diagrams a breeze (relatively speaking...): https://www.ctan.org/pkg/tikz-cd

>>11075362
It's true that Latex produces the best documents but what about casually taking notes? I don't really enjoy having to set up a new document if I feel like taking some notes that I might or might not end up keeping. Besides, if you're going to be writing a lot, a single pdf or .tex file will get unwieldy, which means you'll have to split it into multiple files and shit. There has to be a better way, in my opinion a personal wiki would be great for note-taking but they're all shit. Does anyone have this figured out?

>>11075370
Text editors are better than Word for casually taking notes.

>>11075375
I agree but they're not better than paper. The only issue I have with paper is management, it takes time to keep it organized and you can't easily search through the notes.

>>11075383
10/10 post.

>>11075362
xymatrix is way easier to use than tikz

>>11075370
https://castel.dev/post/lecture-notes-1/
You can also take paper notes and then use the Mathpix app.

>>11075448
Stupid fucking moron, stop spamming that autist's shit. Yeah, "easy note-take" = shit-ton of vim plugins, git and latex. Are you fucking stupid?

>>11075470
It's a one-time cost. Most of his plugins are either easy to implement (just copy his code) or unimportant.
Again, if you don't want to bother, you can always use paper notes and the Mathpix app or any other handwriting-to-equation app.

FYI, I'm not >>11074024

>>11075479
I already have that setup. It doesn't work for random notes. Gilles is another autist who derives pleasure from tinkering a workflow, it has nothing to do with writing notes. As I said, compiled pdf and even the .tex files become cumbersome and encourage a certain structure. The wiki format is best for what I'm saying since you can just create a new page and hyperlink everything together, non-linear

>>11075484
Just use One-Note and a tablet

>>11075484
My bad then. It seems your issue seems mostly to be with your notes/knowledge being forced into a linear progression, even when that might not be optimal. Am I right about that?

>>11069472
This kills the LaTeX

>>11069461
[math]you \ are \ the \ blackest \ retard \ gorilla \ nigger \ I \ have \ ever \ seen.[/math]

>>11070777
>Fits like a glove

>>11073524
I don't know. I don't use LyX.
It is easy enough to use, and certainly a time-saver when compared to Word

>>11075545
Thats easy to do with tikz tho

>>11069461
/thread

>>11075545
Not at all.

>>11077032
Based and typographypilled.

>>11075545
Why? That is easily done in latex

>>11069461

Despite taking one C++ course very briefly in college, I have never truly learned to program. I have actually struggled with my few attempts to pick up a programming language throughout life, and never got round to it.

OTOH I had only moderate trouble getting LaTeX the first time I started using it, and have never had any serious trouble since. I've formatted quite elaborate documents, using it - certain of which have absolutely nothing to do with science or math.