/sci/ - Science & Math

It makes more sense than autism does, considering your OP pic and the kind of people that inhabit related threads on /wsg/.

>>11052595
I don't know about psychopathy but crying doesn't make you an autist, I have autism and yet I'm not a fucking crybaby.

>>11052595
If you feel bad that you're a psychopath, you're probably not a psychopath.

>>11052595
I'm an aspie. Same here.

I still think you're a psycho.

If that concerns you, you probably aren't.

>>11052595
This webm made me realize how lonely I am. I haven't spoken to a women in litteral months. Why do I spend all my time doing math again?

>>11052595

Well you definitely are obsessed about yourself, otherwise you wouldn't shitpost about it on sci. So you are at least in part a psychopath.

>>11052595
cuite grill. too bad she chooses to act like a retard
seriously, in what way are these movements supposed to be attractive or entertaining?
it looks like shes having a spazz attack

>>11052841
just trying to bait attention from retards like you

>>11052621
wrong

>>11052595
If you're empathetic, who cares if you really are a psychopath?
Seems you can function normally

>>11052595
I dunno if you are misdiagnosed. One thing is for certain: you sound like a gay retard. Especially gay, and incredibly retarded.

>>11052621
This is correct. Before i was diagnosed with Asperger's, I was worried I might be a sociopath, but i loved animals, cared a lot about people, felt guilt. Told my therapist and he assured me I was far from a socio/psychopath

>>11052595
I doubt you're a psychopath. Get yourself away from the psychiatric system, the frame of mind that modern clinical psychology puts you in is poison. Recognize behaviors that hinder your potential to form meaningful relationships and achieve meaningful goals and work to modify those behaviors/cognitive patterns. Be your own therapist if you will, without all the unhelpful, ill defined labels.

>>11053204
omg dont listen to this guy, he sounds psycho

>>11053206
I cant find a single instance of someone who's been helped by psychiatry instead of being subdued for the sake of the collective.

I'm a sperg and honestly, you're just a bitch.
>>11052633
Do you call normies "neurotypicals", flap your hands and/or all that other retard stuff? If not, don't degrade yourself by calling yourself an aspie, call yourself a sperg.

>>11052595
>american psychologists

>>11052621
Depends on the beliefs of the psychopath. It is similar to the crumbling down of the narcissist. They have an inflated sense of self-worth, so being diagnosed with something that is considered a defect can be troubling for them. Often they just ignore it and keep being assholes.

>>11052711
You are closer to the closest thing to a real god.

>>11052711
Tesla admitted later in life that he wished he spent more time with that sort of fun family stuff rather than research.
Time, no refunds.

>>11053268
Teach me your ways. How should I properly sperg out?

>>11052595
Becuase you imagine yourself in those situations. Psychopaths only cry for themselves.

Actual psychopath here. I doubt you are one. The only times I'm aware I've ever cried were waking from dreams, but I didn't retain the feeling consciously. Whatever it was.
I didn't even suspect I was one until I participated in a Wash U fMRI study and they told me. Didn't change much.

Psychopathy is a meme pop-psy "disorder" OP

>>11053636
Psychopath from above here. I think you are probably right. I don't really feel all that different from anyone else, as far as I can tell.
I am much more pragmatic than my friends though, and I've learned to temper my suggestions so they don't sound cold.

>>11052595
>haven't cried in years
>unaffected by movies
>little to no concern for humans going through hardships
>have hurt animals repeatedly when I was young
>feel no guilt, but understand responsibility
>feel regret very rarely
>watch some chink short movie about not being able to stop time
>cry like a baby
what did my emotions mean by this?

>>11052595
I have that crying thing as well, but never been diagnosed with anything.
Am I a psychopath?

>>11053636
This. Psychopathy is neither well-defined nor in the catalog of mental health issues.

>>11053636
>>11054542
Reminder that we can detect psychopathy on fMRI scans like this guy >>11053536 said, and that this detection corresponds very well with the behavioral definition of the disorder. Psychopathy might not be perfectly well-defined (like most other psychiatric disorders), but this doesn't mean that the structures we are trying to describe doesn't exists.

I would say that we understand psychopathy better than depression. Lack of understanding does not mean that the disorder does not exist.

>>11054883
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

There is no consensus on the definition of the disorder. Hence, it cannot be said that the behavioral definition fits fMRI scans.

>>11054900
Not really the case. Sure, there's disagreement, but if you read all the views you will see that they have much in common. It's almost like they stuffed everything they agree on into Antisocial Personality Disorder.

>>11054900
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_Checklist
>The Psychopathy Checklist or Hare Psychopathy Checklist-Revised, now the Psychopathy Checklist—revised (PCL-R), is a psychological assessment tool most commonly used to assess the presence of psychopathy in individuals.
>most commonly used

>>11052595
my cousin is a psychopath and she cried at furneal of our bushka

>>11054883
>muh fMRI
The basis of so much shitty research.

>>11054936
Yes, but it's still one of the most powerful tools we have. Your point is extremely nonspecific. Additionally, I believe they've replicated the results with other brain imaging tools as well.

>>11052595
psychopathy is not a psychological or psychiatric diagnosis. The concept exists but it is not recognized

>>11054949
>but it's still one of the most powerful tools we have.
Much like flint in the stone age.
>Your point is extremely nonspecific. Additionally, I believe they've replicated the results with other brain imaging tools as well.
The way they derive conclusions from fMRI is also non-specific which is the problem. The typical mistake is something like
>we looked for some differences and found a way of categorizing those differences that looks significant
The labels the two groups have is often almost incidental and heavily biased by cohort/selection.

People often love fMRI because they're materialist zealots, and they will overlook how hard it is to design and then actually do a meaningful study using it because they get off on it showing material processes in the brain (this is also why you can see similar results from other technologies). Nearly any given study using the tech is trash.

>>11054987
>The way they derive conclusions from fMRI is also non-specific which is the problem.
Not necessarily.
>The typical mistake is something like
>>we looked for some differences and found a way of categorizing those differences that looks significant
Although categories can mislead, it can also illuminate. A general argument against categories does not bear much power in this context. You have to look at the specific categories used for psychopathy to really get your argument to work.
>People often love fMRI because they're materialist zealots, and they will overlook how hard it is to design and then actually do a meaningful study using it because they get off on it showing material processes in the brain (this is also why you can see similar results from other technologies). Nearly any given study using the tech is trash.
This is yet another extremely nonspecific argument with a strawman twist where you try to associate my position with several philosophical doctrines that has a certain stench.

>>11054987
>they get off on it showing material processes in the brain
I guess the material aspect of the brain is completely irrelevant to cognition. Surely this is what every person believing in metaphysics believe.

>>11055058
There are many material aspects to how the brain functions, it's complicated. There are MRI based techniques that look at some more of these things, but you won't find them in any of the studies that look at brain differences in clinical whatevers. The data is also not fantastic.

>>11055028
>You have to look at the specific categories used for psychopathy to really get your argument to work.
No I don't you little weasel. It is a specific type of non-sequitur. The way you've worded your reply makes me think you don't understand what I'm saying though.

>>11054917
>>11054924
>Different conceptions of psychopathy have been used throughout history that are only partly overlapping and may sometimes be contradictory.

People on /sci/ sure suck at reading.

>>11055097
>>11055104
Absolutely seething. Thank you sir!

>>11052595
The moment you realize that most of these mental illnesses / disorders aren't actually legitimate brain damage that affects you negatively but rather you failing to fit the template of the majority is the moment you'll stop giving the slightest fuck about them. I personally should by definition be a high-functioning autist and a schizoid, but the truth is that these aren't dysgenic because they're very useful in specific environments, such as having to operate in more complex environments where autism comes in play, or secluding yourself from the oversocialized hotspots so you don't get plagued when the plague hits in the case of schizoidism (or arguably, draft as well) - both of these increase survival rate in a couple of scenarios that happen once in a while and are only branded as undesirable flaws because modern society is dominated by people who do not exhibit them. Religion is a very similar case. I'm not trying to tip my fedora or anything but the reality is that some religious beliefs should be classified as at least a few disorders clustered into a psychotic episode which can legitimately be treated through therapy, but no one would even dare mention anything about this because their career would be gone instantly and the majority would victoriously cheer the banishment of such a bigoted individual. Isn't this exactly what happened with another set of beliefs as well just recently?
You must be an idiot to believe anything coming out of that industry built on pandering, an industry which has the sole function of bringing the derailed individuals back into being the templated drone of the collective.

>>11055167
>Isn't this exactly what happened with another set of beliefs as well just recently?
What set of beliefs and what labels?

t. isolated from public discourse

>>11052595
It's the same thing. When you get good enough at understanding normies, you get labelled as psychopath. Neither has actually the symptoms as described, it's just normies being crazy. Basically either diagnosis means you are not insane, unlike almost everybody else, IN THE WEST. That's right, there are almost no normies outside the west and where they are, they tend to be low lifes - gangs, mafia, and other shady people.

>>11052595
It's the same thing. When you get good enough at understanding normies, you get labelled as a psychopath. Neither has actually the symptoms as described, it's just normies being crazy. Basically either diagnosis means you are not insane, unlike almost everybody else, IN THE WEST. That's right, there are almost no normies outside the west and where they are, they tend to be low lifes - gangs, mafia, and other shady people.

>>11055586
While there is some truth to this there is also no truth at the sacrifice of the extended indeterminate. If you want the expanded story, then you should seek the middle story in the farming of the vocal sacrifice.

>>11052595
it's almost as if the actual definitons of various mental illnesses have nothing to do with their popular definitions.

>>11052595
wait... you can be diagnosed with being a psychopath and not be put in some mental asylum immediately after?

>>11055162
>gets btfo
>"lol you so mad lmao"

>>11052595
It's all on your mind bro

>>11056086
Imagine projecting this hard

source? those panty flashes

>>11056086
More like
>gets btfo
>"you little weasel, you just didn't understand my post, you suck at reading!"
>"u seething"
A reasonable response
>"no i btfo u"
Kek

>>11052595
You aren't a psychopath, you're probably an Aspie.

>>11056184
Keep deluding yourself. Reading comprehension failure is just a thing I noticed becoming much more common on /sci/ over the years.

>>11056191
Second this. There's are psychopaths in thread though. You recognize them on the overly confident, derailing and dishonest form of discussion.

>>11055104
Psychopathy originally referred to people who had some kind of mental illness but were undetectable in typical clinical settings of the time (referred to a mental hospital and assessed). It's always been an extremely broad category, and in how it was presented in Mask of Sanity could arguably include most personality disorders to some degree, especially cluster B disorders.

I think the most common definition now is it's a problem with how someone experiences the feeling of empathy, but this has a lot of overlap with sociopathy and the whole nature nurture aspect of those two things is far from clear cut (not to mention overlap with almost everything else). The path someone takes to having an abnormal experience of empathy is probably multifaceted i.e. if we only look at genetics, it's going to be a polygenic condition that probably can involve all sorts of genes and their expression, not to mention involving key things in nurture and culture/social context. The vagueries can be a strength in clinical shit though.

>>11056216
I am >>11056191, at first they misdiagnosed me with ADHD, before "correcting" the diagnoses to AS (after they'd already been medicating me for a couple of years).

>>11056230
That's how I understand it as well. If I remember correctly, especially the fact it's easily confused with sociopathy makes psychologists refrain from adding it to the catalog.

>vagueries can be a strength
What do you mean by that?

>>11056211
>Reading comprehension failure is just a thing I noticed becoming much more common on /sci/ over the years.
Might be, but that comment was directed at certain posts, thus the intent is clear. It's incredible embarrassing that you are trying to hide it.

>>11053519
You ever see the original Broly transformation? That's basically it.

>>11052595
Did they give a test of words that say "death" "dead children" or did they show graphic content to you? If you failed, its probably because you watch gore webms here. Go to a different type of test for psychopathy

>>11054527
Your not allowing your self to feel empathy maybe, it seems like its non genetic, so get out and help others and talk or a really good idea is do improv for anxiety it will cover anxiety or anger or intolerance to others in general

>>11052595
>Psychology

Not science or math

>>>/x/

>>11053337
uh huh, and when he was with them, he wished he was researching. People, never satisfied.

>>11056327
Where did I hide anything? Stop patronizing. Those guys acted stupid, I called that out. You blew this out as "you little weasel, you didn't understand my post" etc. That was clearly not what happened.

>>11052595
How old is this retard?

>>11052595
I am calling bullshit on you. There is no disorder called "psychopathy" in the DSM-IV or DSM-V.

>>11057933
Fucking kek, dude. You are in it deep.

>>11057938
this
she looks about 14 yo at most, yet some people here act like she is an adult (and sexualize her in the worse case)

>>11056152
she's karna.val anon

>>11058115
17yo
https://www.tiktok.com/@karna.val

>>11053259
Tbh have to agree with this. It's a machine to break the based and create normalfags.

>>11057995
This. It's a self diagnosis made by edgy teens

>>11052595
who is she? asking for a friend

>>11058086
Are you this lame in real life too?

>>11054527
Insensibilization is a thing, not necessarily pscychopathy

>>11052595

I'm a reformed psychopath.
Self cured. (It's possible.)
You've been healing yourself.
The easiest way to self treat is to attempt to test it over and over, as you have obviously done.
This can occur because of curiosity. (Slow progress)
Or, this can occur because of an insecurity about the condition. (Faster progress)

Not sure if you're a slow or fast progress case, but if you keep attempting empathy, you develop it. The difference between you and regular people will remain, but you'll have an on/off switch for it.

You can choose to turn off your empathy, if necessary.
You will default to ON, if you keep up what you're doing, and turning off your empathy will require a minor amount of mental effort.
(Psyche yourself up.) <- That phrase is self explanatory.

>>11058132
good to go

>>11058941
TAKE A SEAT

>>11058917
>Are you this bulletproof in real life too?
Absolutely.

>>11059080
I like you.

>>11052841
It's called dancing anon. Ever gone to a party?

>>11060245
anon, let the autists be themselves. don't want them showing up to dance parties, do you?

>>11053259
You don't know real psych patients

They would be shot by the cops, jump off a building, or live in a dumpster without meds

>>11055167
Autism doesn't allow you to operate in complex environments, mongo. Ot does the exact opposite. Go read a book.

>>11052595
You are so psycho you tricked your own brain

>>11052595
Psychopathy isn't a diagnosis.
Closest real diagnosis is antisocial personality disorder.
>Reminder that we can detect psychopathy on fMRI scans
Reminder you can't even get reverse inference to work on actual psychiatric diagnoses and you sure as fuck can't get it to work with psychopathy.
It's easy to take a bunch of brain scans and find one significantly similar feature to correlate with a psychiatric diagnosis of interest.
It's a lot less easy (so far impossible) to go in reverse where it would actually prove something of substance and demonstrate you can reliably identify that psychiatric diagnosis on the basis of that significantly correlated feature.
More specifically this doesn't work because that significantly similar feature is probably some vague stress indicator (at best) or remnant of the same antipsychotics they prescribe for everything now (to be a little more cynical) and it looks the same across a variety of supposedly well defined psychiatric conditions like OCD, depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/hbm.23486

>>11052595
Psychopathy isn't a diagnosis.
Closest real diagnosis is antisocial personality disorder.
>>11054883
>Reminder that we can detect psychopathy on fMRI scans
Reminder you can't even get reverse inference to work on actual psychiatric diagnoses and you sure as fuck can't get it to work with psychopathy.
It's easy to take a bunch of brain scans and find one significantly similar feature to correlate with a psychiatric diagnosis of interest.
It's a lot less easy (so far impossible) to go in reverse where it would actually prove something of substance and demonstrate you can reliably identify that psychiatric diagnosis on the basis of that significantly correlated feature.
More specifically this doesn't work because that significantly similar feature is probably some vague stress indicator (at best) or remnant of the same antipsychotics they prescribe for everything now (to be a little more cynical) and it looks the same across a variety of supposedly well defined psychiatric conditions like OCD, depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/hbm.23486

>>11060436
Autism gives a massive advantage in dealing with complex environment. I'd say that if you at the very least don't have greatly increased spatial intelligence, autism is a misdiagnosis.

>>11060420
You don't kniw them. Anybody who comes to you leaves worse off. Psychiatrists deserve to get sumarrily executed for crimes agianst humanity.

>>11060420
You don't know them. Anybody who comes to you leaves worse off. Psychiatrists deserve to get summarily executed.

>>11052711
women have no soul so you would be even more lonely in ones' presence. trust me

>>11052595
Psychopathy is more common than you think, and in loving and supportive circumstances, the individual is unlikely to exhibit traits that would distinguish him from any other functioning member of society.

A neuroscientist studying Psychopathic brains once scanned his own and by coincidence discovered he was one. By all means this man was a well adjusted, functioning member of society.
These things happen.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-neuroscientist-who-discovered-he-was-a-psychopath-180947814/

>>11060493
Very interesting, anon. This is a pretty decently sized meta-analysis. Here's what I take with me from it:
>We mapped to atlas regions coordinates of case-control differences derived from 537 task-fMRI studies in schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, major depressive disorder, anxiety disorders, and obsessive compulsive disorder comprising observations derived from 21,427 participant
>CONCLUSION The findings of this study suggests that case-control differences in task-fMRI activation reveal a shared topography for SCZ, BD, MDD, anxiety disorders, and OCD. This shared topography explains common deficits in cognitive circuits but does not fully account for variability in clinical presentation and cannot be assumed to imply shared etiological or pathogenic mechanisms.

BUT ANON, I cannot see psychopathy or antisocial personality disorder EVEN MENTIONED in this study. If these disorders were among those with "shared topography", then your point would be valid. It so happens to exist much stronger research on the topography of psychopathy than any of those disorders in this meta-analysis. It seems we can actually do this for psychopathy at this point. See for example >>11060888 . If you see my post below the post of mine that you are responding to
>>11054886
>I would say that we understand psychopathy better than depression. Lack of understanding does not mean that the disorder does not exist.
You see that my view is in complete concordance with your sources. This is yet another case of drawing conclusions from a general result that seems to not hold for this specific case. It is not your sources that are faulty, it is your interpretation of them.

>>11054936
let’s see your alternative

>>11052595
But do you think It's OK to break the law? Or do you like hurting people?

>>11054883
That’s confirmation bias, most likely.
>when we diagnose first, then seek out the behavior to support our diagnosis in a clearly biased way.
This is how political prisoners are given disorders, like that lady who was diagnosed crazy because she knew the kid the state handed her wasn’t her real, kidnapped kid.

>>11061394
It’s literally impossible to not break the law. There are hundreds of millions of them.

>>11061408
>muh confirmation bias
>shriiiieeek
Another nonspecific criticism. Find some specific indications of confirmation bias. it's easy to allude to such. When are you guys going to post anything of actual substance?