/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11037872
Scam.

>>11037872
>Neuralink
>>>/x/

There are some wild questions and concerns raised about Neuralink technology in the press and forums. The root cause is probably the drama hunting in the movies and news, because dramatic content is exciting and increases ratings. Then you have people who don't follow how the modern technology actually works. On one hand, they are afraid of all the pulp fiction drama scenarios like The Matrix because they fail to realize how far we are from anything like that. Elon's mixing of real results and distant future projections amplifies that. On the other hand, they fail to see all the possible near-term improvements BCI can bring, especially for people with disabilities.

We should try to educate people, and shape more realistic expectations. For example:

Downloading Kung Fu skills (100yr+):Will not happen any time soon, possibly never. We are still testing early hypotheses on how memory works. Neuralink interface is about interfacing with senses and actuators in the brain, not about direct access to memory.

Advertising abuse (10yr):More realistic, and luckily Neuralink team is conscious of that, and is thinking of ways to keep it out of their products. Still won't be a factor until the first consumer devices start shipping, which is probably no less than 5-10 years away. And even then, it will be an issue no bigger than the current web ads. Annoying but possible to block or otherwise ignore.

Hackers and viruses attacking your brain (10yr):A virus is not realistic, as laughable as people afraid of catching a computer virus now. Human brain is not a programmable device from all we know. A hacker gaining access to your feeds could potentially show you some offensive ads, or misleading directions, or steal some personal data, same as on the web. A physical breach in device could pose an electrical hazard, but there are safety measures to prevent that, and as someone aptly said, if they want to kill you so much, it is easier to shoot you

Telepathy (20yr):Possible in a certain sense, but really is just a fancy catchy term for a communication without speaking, which could be like texting on steroids, enabled by consumer version of this device. As Musk said, our brain thinks in meme-like patterns, so there is a chance that when some of those coincide for two people, this could use a very efficient representation of emoji-meme-idioms, which would feel like direct understanding of another person's thoughts. Very cool but not scary. No-one is going to read your private thoughts, except if you have poor impulse control, and leak them because of the lowered communication barrier. They might build in some filters to prevent that, like you could constrain business communication to traditional language without those idioms. Probably won't come to this level until the 2nd or 3rd generation of the consumer devices.


Surveillance (10yr):This is a real threat, same as it is now. Basically nothing changes. See above on not reading your thoughts.

Mind enhancement (10yr):This may be realistic, but avoid magical thinking. It is going to gradually grow on us like internet and smartphones. Just more efficient, extending your abilities a little here and there, making a nice big upgrade in quality of life combined. Quick access to reference data, maps, translations, texting, so quick, effortless and natural it starts to feel like part of your own mind. Will enhance gradually, starting with the first consumer devices, but getting truly impressive later.

>>11037878
t. free will shill

>>11037902
Entertainment (20yr):Perhaps some time after the first consumer models, this can become a huge upgrade to VR and AR technology, enabling awesome games, sensory content, and probably some useful apps in that realm, too.

Education (20yr):This may lower some barriers and offer new rich media options, but as all technical innovations have shown, at the core of education remains hard mental work of both the educators and the students. Hold no illusions. The universe is inherently complex and often counter-intuitive; internalizing accurate useful models for it takes time and effort.

Disabled assist (5yr):That is what this is about right now. A huge difference between being able to text even slowly, or see even poorly, and not. Maybe improving prosthetics integration a bit later.

Merger with AI (50yr+):Elon's visionary goal, barely tentatively visible on the horizon. Requires a meaningful general AI to be relevant, and a much better understanding of brain than we have now.

Mind uploading and transcending our physical bodies (100yr+):Strictly in the realm of sci-fi now, so mostly worth discussing in sci-fi subreddits.

Remote robot control (10yr):Possible to a degree now; this technology may make it more useful.

Inequality in society (20yr):This device may become a factor after several consumer model iterations make mind enhancement a huge competitive advantage. Until then, other factors are much more important in this problem.

Brain research (1yr):The greatest immediate benefit. Better understanding of brain operation, disorders; possible hints for brain modeling and machine learning.

>>11037872
>just let me drill a bullet sized hole in your skull to put a glorified EEG in your brain with a sowing machine goy

pass, and its for low IQ retards.

Elon the scam artist is top tier, best around. This is literally just an EEG, and their algo just looks at noise and guesses, like all other bullshit EEG science.

/thread

>>11037872
also

>nigger skull used for diagram related
the target consumer I presume. Only a nigger nogger would stitch the equivalent of a commodore 64 BCI to their fucking brain.

I will wait until they can accomplish something that works WITHOUT A BULLET SIZED HOLE DRILLED IN SKULL TO SOW A FUCKING EEG TO MY BIG BRAIN

/threadedbrain
/threadedthread

>>11037909
this.
elon is nothing more than a good jew, all he does is sell old shit with a new coat of paint and markets it to the average retard

>>11037917
nailed it, this is empirically correct. just wait for the fuckcucks to show up and cuck themselves so hard trying to explain this away without any fucking shred of argument.

>BUT BUT MUH BULLUNYARE SAVIOR GON MAKE ME MARS GUD BOY N SHEEIT GON GIT ME DAT LECTRIC NIGGER ROCKET BRAIN STICH U P I NTHIS NIGGER!~!!!

any day now

>>11037917
Yeah, he transforms some toying around by lab nerds into something with market value. It's called innovation.

>>11037909
>>11037917

Imagine seething this hard. You will never contribute anything useful to humanity other than shitposting here.

>>11037932
>It's called innovation.
tipcock, you're retarded because-

ah fuck it.. drink heavily on the IQ antidote sir, gulp it in. Those points wont degrade further themselves will they?

>>11037941
typical elon bot/shill, just throws out the emotional argument like a hot wet turd.

fuck off nigger.

/sci/.. more like /fortune500advertspam/

this isnt science, this is a product.

you literally posted something akin to

>cocacola, discuss
instead of
>carbonated cornsyrup garbage, discuss.

>>11037872
Our shrinking brains will shrink even faster

>>11037947
>Our shrinking brains will shrink even faster
GOOD! and of course this is totally natural!

>>11037944

>T brainlet

Typical 4chan pseud. Absolutely seething in his inferiority

>>11037951
you suck at advertising, or the bot script sucks at advertising.

i hope you have some sort of plan B for job security, cause SpaceNueralSolarBoringLinkTestaX is gonna be pissed at your low IQ results sir.

pissed!

>>11037951
>Typical 4chan pseud.
woops kinda exposed yourself as being a new piece of garbage, first day here? just another stop on the advert spam list I presume?

>>11037872
We don't know shit about how the brain function, let alone how to enhance it via circuitry.
It's all just a scam.

>>11037872
When do I get to fuck my wiafu in BCIVR?

>>11037872

called cheating, and poorly at that - a gross violation of nature it amazes me how arrogant humans have become, and how stupid

>>11037965
typical elonnigger investor ^

>>11037974
lmao, you act like this actually does anything new!

unless you mean drilling holes in skulls and using sowing needles is stupid, because that is indeed stupid.

>>11037942
At least you admitted you had no argument.

>>11038080
big sage right here on this current post, thread is over already so it needs no more bumps.

again,
>>11037953
>i hope you have some sort of plan B for job security

^

>>11037974
Elon's just trying to keep us from being completely outclassed by AI in the future. Literally said that in interviews.

If you can get shit out of it you can put shit in it
Enjoy becoming an insectoid

White power ai

>>11037872
No thanks, I'll keep my brain scar-tissue free if you don't mind.

>>11038116
That's how our senses work today. Dummy.

>>11037872
Version 2-3 is what I want.

>>11037872
Just like the internet it will be hijacked for mostly commercial purposes. The internet could have been a place where people came together to create things but most of it has been subverted to channel money into the hands of tech giants like google and facebook. This is a hard pass from me unless we acknowledge this and work fucking hard to prevent it.

>>11038328
>implying this isnt just a fucking one off scam like 95% of his garbage hype shit

>>11038333
are you talking about some science fiction story where there is a BCI? Cause this nigger is just cracking skulls and putting some fancy eeg threads in your brain.

>>11037872
Q1: Can I buy two?
Q2: How many will fit on my head without weakening the integrity of my cranium?
Q3: Can I replace my cranium with a computer that interfaces directly instead of via that stupid behind the ear thingy?

>>11037872
Nothing to discuss, it doesn't work

>>11038460
reddit post.

>>11038462
/thread (for the 5th time)

fuck this product promotion and fuck cucklon

>>11038685
Get laid Virgin

>>11037898
>>11037902
>>11037907
based rational thought poster

>>11037922
>>11037917
>>11037909
>>11037877

confirmed retards

Neuralink is basically ten thousand bi-directional electrodes implanted in the brain. They are also implanted largely non-invasively.

Current state of the art is less than a hundred electrodes, and either for stimulation or reading, not both. Also, they are implanted quite destructively.

Even disregarding all that shit about internet downloaded directly into brain, Neuralink will be a real advance in neuroscience.

>>11037872
how can you possibly fix that shit once broken?

just implant a new one and let the body absorb the old one? kek

>>11039272
Please be first in line for the chip implantation so you can die as fast as possible and never post here again.

>>11037872
They should all be killed, and their children.

>>11037872
We Deus Ex now

>>11038462

Of course it doesn't work you fucking retard. It's still in the process of being developed, they are only conducting first human tests in 2020

>>11037872
How much will it cost for consumers? What's the likelihood of adverse effects. This looks like a dream come true but I'm worried that there will be a price to pay. I've also heard the first model will only allow you to interface with specific devices.

>>11037872
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mX08JttCio

/thread

>>11039820
kek

>>11039820
>most of them are iphones
itoddlers BTFO

>>11037872
>tfw get 1 gen neuralink installed
>gen 2 comes sooner than expected
>cant replace gen 1 without an expensive surgery
>a few years down the line and gen 1 neuralink gets hacked and get infected with adware showing ads in your field of view 24/7 unless you pay a ransom

>>11040180
>tfw someone will ransom me not to leak my fetish thoughts

>>11040180
>>11040201
Thankfully it won't be available for smoothbrains.

>>11039924
Most of those are knock-off iphones. Look at the people using them.

>>11037951
t. faggot tourist. Go back to r/ElonsCockInMyAss nig nog

>>11037951
you sure made those incels seethe lmao

>>11040212
Please explain your thought process.

>>11037872
If I pull that will you die?

>>11040403
It would be extremely painful

>>11040460
You're a big guy

Bumping to piss off all the pseudo intellectuals in this thread

>>11041109
Slave and Russia are eastern, north America is the west and they only want to neuralink the black people for weird racist fashion purposes
Modern people are fucked. Fucking freaks

>>11037872
Imagine getting a virus with that thing linked directly into your brain. What would happen?

>>11041128
This was super cringy, I'm not even sure why I posted this. Please punish me or whatever you're going to do

>>11037872
It's the beginning of the end of the idiotic idea of "individualism"

>>11041128
>weird racist fashion
What in the fuck?

>>11037877
You must be thinking of Cyber Myonics.

Bump.

Discuss

Neurastink

>>11037902
>Telepathy (20yr)
I want an experiment in which two neuralink people have a direct connection. Install two neuralink threads in each person. One is input, the other is output. Wire the input neuralink from one person to the output of another.
What would be the results with 10k electrodes? What about 1M? 1B? At some point it becomes a hivemind.

>>11043164
You made a borg! +1 XP