/sci/ - Science & Math

Fuck, I won't be awake at 11AM.

Make sure to take some pretty screencaps to post later.

oh for fucks sake guys, this is an actual space ship being tested and nobodies interested?

>>1100775
PROTIP: /sci/ doesn't actually know science, and /sci/ can't be bothered with real science.

looks pretty cool, any specs on what the lb to dollar rate is to get something to orbit aboard this launch vehicle?

>>1100785
Dr. Killinger once visited /co/ and he instilled a sentiment for dealing with trolls constructively, I wonder how we could fix /sci/. Also, i'm taking my cool thread there.

>oh for fucks sake guys, this is an actual space ship being tested and nobodies interested?

Wake me when it gets to Mars with people aboard.

>>1100794
LEO price seems to be 45.8e6, with a payload of 10.5e3 kg.
so about 4.5e3$/kg, how does that compare with the shuttle? I don't keep those kind of figures on the top of my head. found these on their falcon 9 page.

2+2=potatoe faggots

I hope it explodes. What do we need the stars for or any of that bullshit. waste of money.

seriously, who gives a shit unless you're a shareholder

/thread

>>1100866
shuttle is RETARDEDLY expensive.

>>1100921
well, yeah, it uses chemical rockets, it's not gonna be cheap until we have a space elevator or a lofstrom launch loop.

>shuttle is RETARDEDLY expensive

Hey, it's only 500 million dollars per launch.

I for one sleep better knowing how fruit flies behave in a weightless environment.

>>1100969
It's a better use of money than the BILLIONS that are spent overseas killing innocent sand niggers.

>>1100982
and you know, i kind of like velcro, and plastics, those are nice too. part of space exploration is just setting up conditions that are hard to satisfy, and by accomplishing them you've come up with creative solutions to problems that might not need solving very often, but those solutions have a lot of really common applications completely unrelated to the first problem.

>>1100982
That money wouldn't exist if it weren't for killing people for resources.

>>1100982
>killing innocent sand niggers.
>innocent
>sand nigger

wat

>>1100969
I thought it was more like 1.2 billion per launch, and it's just that the overall costs manage to bring it down through magic or something.

>>1100800
Well, /k/ managed to fix it after several months of absolute shit by getting a mod to actually ban people.

/tg/ does it by just subverting every thread to be about something else if it's a troll thread. Or sometimes they just turn a troll thread into an awesome thread somehow.

The problem with /sci/ is that too many people around here act like pretentious knowitall's who shit all over every thread where someone's trying to learn something. Instead of talking about math, people spam "NO HOMEWORK THREADS" [whether or not there's even any homework involved, and even if there were, why is that even a bad thing?]

We've driven out all the interesting discussion, and now the only thing interesting that's left to talk about is religion vs science.

>>1101100
But we don't actually talk about religion/science, we troll each other with insane backwards logic in an attempt to aggravate others. only, the others they're trying to aggravate are trolling just as hard. Instead of talking about mendel and the monasteries rolls in perserving knowledge we oversimplify matters to the point of pageantry.

>>1101038
nigga in the sand here

Asians are better than you.

we have more better IQ

>>1100716
broadcast starts in an hour!

has it happened yet?

>>1103248
...
it's a live braodcast... that starts in an hour

>>1103268
it's on a loop you fucking troll

... starts... in... fifty minutes...

>>1103309
yeah like im gonna watching a 2 min looped video for 50 videos why dont you just fuck off

This thread demonstrates why we need an /eng/ board, where people can discuss the practical application of science, such as space rockets and underwater cities, and leave all the fucktarded religion, quack medicine, crank baseless theorising and magnet stuff here

>>1103314
No, that's not science, that's trolls, creating an /eng/ board would just entice them to move there because it'll be the new place to troll.

...

We should get on top of that post haste.

Launch is going to be cancelled due to weather

>>1103314
>/eng/
more like /gay/

Did someone need a launch canceled?

>>1103325
Wish i could find where the test launch is taking place so i could check the weather.

>>1103334
Cape Canaveral?

Another live camera feed can be found here http://www.spaceflightnow.com/falcon9/001/status.html

>With a vacuum specific impulse of 304s, Merlin is the highest performance gas generator cycle kerosene engine ever built, exceeding the Boeing Delta II main engine, the Lockheed Atlas II main engine and the Saturn V F-1.

I was about to slag it off for looking lame and its mediocre payload weight to GTO, but you may now colour me impressed

R7 family still rules the stars though

>>1103343
there's also the heavy lifter class which i presume they'll be testing later.

it's not been cancelled

>>1103343
It'd be interesting to see how it'd compare to a hydrogen / oxygen system. Back in the 70's they were getting 400 SI out of hydrogen/oxygen, compared to around 250 for HTP / kero

Regardless, it'll be nice to see the US have what looks like a decent launch vehicle again

>>1100982

none of them are innocent

>>1103390
Yeah, i've seen a couple places where H2/O2 rockets have highest theoretical thrust, but that'll be an interesting engineering solution to have cryogenic hydrogen right next to a rocket exhaust port.

10 minutes :D

>>1100716
Wait.

What the fuck is this, what the fuck is going on and why the fuck did I not know about this?

>>1103442
SpaceX tests rocket in half hour, watch on internets

>>1103444
What's the rocket testing when it gets into space/orbit?

fuck yeh space ships

http://spacegizmo.livingdazed.com/spaceflight-now-live-feed/
http://spacegizmo.livingdazed.com/spaceflight-now-live-feed/

was watching this one because it's playing already
just saw an explosion in a building near the rocket and they switched to a loop of trees
!!

>>1100715

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Anyone else read this?

>>1103462
>>1103462

>>1103437
IIRC it has been done, and the oxygen they combine with the kerosene in most rockets is liquid, they just use loads of insulation. The major problem with hydrogen is that is has to be pressurized, leading to significant weight gain.

I may be wrong but I believe the N1 had pressurized hydrogen tanks. That may have had something to do with it blowing up every single time though.

Fuck yeah soviet engineering

>>1103462
I am distressed by your statement, i was up making sandwiches for my lunch today.
http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php
is still showing the test pattern, even though it should have switched over to prelaunch stuff 5 minutes ago...
I have to get to the physics building, hopefully something will be informative when i log back on over there.

Its started t minus -20

shit doesn't work

>>1103554
I'm back, did anything explode, or was he trolling?

STREAM HAS STARTED

http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php

it's fucking starting!
http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php

Rockets being fuelled.

>>1103573
actually, since they're talking about helium loads, it might be their coolant they're taking on board.

what am I doing wrong? I HAVE FUCKING FLASH PLAYER

it's cute, he's trying to narrate, but he has to catch himself every couple of seconds to prevent himself from using big words.

>>1103578
Same here man, i dont want to miss the launch ;_;

>>1103578
Enable scripts?

>>1103587
no noscript or anything mang

>>1103577
Fair do's I just had a quick glance and saw white steam/gas coming out the side and assumed liquid oxygen subliming.

how long does it take to fuel do you reckon?

>>1103591
gah, if they don't remove that hold soon, i'm gonna miss the launch.

>>1103591
subliming is from a solid. This would be evaporating or boiling.

>>1103578
>>1103586
Works for me. you sure you have the latest version?

Right now, NASA launch control has asked them to put a hold while they clear the path.

I hope they get it cleared soon <_<

also, "40% chance of weather being an issue today"

that weather does look a spot ominous, i'll grant them that. It could suck a bit if they pushed the launch back to tomorrow.

EVERYONE ELSE GET OUT OF THE FUCKING AIRSPACE, WE'RE SHOOTING A ROCKET HERE

>>1103606
Or better yet :

"Hey, we going to launch a rocket. if you're in the way, you'll get hit by tens of tonnes of high explosives. Have a nice day."

Oh, well from that perspective the weather looks much more pleasant, and the rocket looks much more dildo-y.

>>1103613
This weather is what we call "seattle sunshine"

>>1103613
A thousand female technophiles just left a wet patch where they were sitting.

>>1103622
there are a thousand female technophiles?

So, they make about 80% of the thing themselves, that's good. NASA sub contracted most of the apollo rocket so they no one organization has all the plans.

>>1103624
with a population of 3 billion to choose from? at least.

I wonder how long until somebody comes up with a fully reusable single stage to orbit lifter, that'd cut down costs big time, these guys are gonna have to rebuild their entire first stage every launch.

>>1103625
I also like the fact that they can ship the rocket on trucks. Much easier than other methods, and it means they can move the rockets anywhere there is a decent highway system.

>>1103625
So while we wait for the count down to kick up again what the fuck is the rocket actually doing?

Going to the moon, testing what in orbit?

>>1103650
This is basically a test of the rocket itself. It's lifting a version of their orbiter with no heat shield into orbit. If the mission is successful, the rocket will lift the load into orbit, where it will stay before eventually burning up on re-entry.

This doesn't sound exciting, but this is the first time this rocket has launched for real. If they pull it off, they will have proven that it is possible to lift their orbiter into into orbit, paving the way for future missions.

>>1103656
and verifying that there launch manifest gets carried out.
http://www.spacex.com/launch_manifest.php
bigelow aerospace is included XD

Ah, the reality of space launches:

"Can we go yet?"
"No."
"Can we go yet?"
"No."
"Can we go yet?"
"No."
...

well what the fuck are we waiting for?

>>1103694
NASA to give them the all clear.

They said the rocket is ready, and for now, the weather is good.

inb4 it doesn't launch today

>>1103688
on NSF:
atleast 45 minutes before a possible next launch.

There is a strongback issue with telemetry from the rocket. the air force is checking the FTS ( flight termination system ).
Rocket, weather and range are cool except this range problem.

announcer said the fuel was Lox / kerosene. The plumes you're seeing is is the fuel boiling off. it is being replaced at the same rate, though.

still waiting.

remember; the launch window today is 4 hours. so far the only reliable news of any problem is one telemetry feed being weaker then expected. there is also some vague talk of a sport fisher obstructing the range, unconfirmed.

Remember folks - this is a first launch. Even harder then Ares 1X. and we have a long launch window here.

>>1103812
I wonder if they incorporate any aerogels for insulation. solid smoke is awesome stuff.

also, weather continues being green - both for clouds and for winds.
The linchpin of this laucnh will most probably be the stage seperation.
but, as spacex said, this is the very first test launch of a new vehicle. while the engine block is composed of 9 earlier tested engines, there is still a whole lot that could go wrong.
it really is rocket science, so have patience.

>>1103823
I would suspect not. Comparatively speaking, the cost of the fuel is nothing. Especially the tiny amount that is boiling off. And at $4500 per pound, even aerogel would be very expensive to lift into orbit.

>>1103688
True! This is why I've never seen a live shuttle launch. I've never had several spare weeks to sit around Florida.

>>1103823
no areogels. you let it boil off to not need as much cooling and/ or active venting. topping it off is the easiest solution.
now confirmed; small fishing vessel near the launch zone. Fucking fishermen, get the fuck out of my range.

it seems the telemetry issue is caused by the leaning back of the arm now pouring fuel into the rocket; this caused one of the telemetry feeds to be way weaker then expected. it should be fixed if the rocket leaves the tower ( ie liftoff ) but I can easily imagine rules ( and common sense ) that say you shouldnt go on the hunch that it will fix itself.

>>1103855
a reasonable approach.

So, if we could get single stage to orbit, it wouldn't matter how low an orbit it was, because we could use plasma rockets or ion thrusters from then on with a much higher efficiency. it's that first 50-60 miles that's hardest.

the fueling tower has moved back towards the rocket; it is this arm that is blocking the telemetry feed. compare these 2 positions;

and the situation now; the arm is on the rocket again.

>>1103879
higher. air drag even drags down the ISS. ion engines dont have a lot of thrust, and it would be more efficient to get over the initial drag.

update:
weather is still green, same for rocket.
the arm is being moved to do some testing on the telemetry issue.

>>1103855
>>1103888
verification of the arm as the impediment means that they can set a new launch point. I'm crazy kinds of excited.

>>1103879
You really need more than 50-60 miles, and remember, most of the energy of a spacecraft in orbit is in the form of translational energy. It's not as simple as just lifting a load up 100 miles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Earth_orbit

is the video really jumpy for everyone else, or is it my internet connection?

>>1103936
same here

The Reel Insanity sport fishing boat (get it?) is the boat with engine trouble that is trying to traverse the zone to reach Fort Pierce to the south. They don't have clearance, but are not responding to radio calls.

FUCKING BOAT GET THE FUCK OUT WE ARE TRYING TO LAUNCH HERE

also, once again lowering strong arm -

>>1103936
Go to the little checkerboard icon and select low quality - it isn't really any worse and it seemed to make things a bit better. but it is a little jumpy anyway.

man i wanted to get an internship at spacex so bad this summer. this launch makes me want it even more. spacex why dont you love me ;_;

>>1103948
probably getting more attention then they expected.
>>1103918
all you need is marginally stable orbit so that a more efficient space tug can take over. Ion engines and plasma engines have specific impulses at least an order of magnitude better, usually more. those should do the bulk of the work, if we can finagle it to work.

>>1103948
Thanks, that did help a little.

strongarm now back at position. it seems there might be a serious opportunity to launch at 1 pm EDT.
no word on any clearing up of the problem, though.
I'll go shopping now and buy dinner - i hope the thing doesnt launch without me.

fuck, really the last update:
SpaceX is looking at using an alternate antenna providing a stronger telemetry signal with the flight termination system. This could lead to a liftoff at 1 p.m. EDT, or even sooner.

and

The Reel Insanity crisis has been averted. He's holding position. Apparently as a result of a "colorful" radio conversation with the Coast Guard.

moving the launch tower around is the equivalent of adjusting your bunny ear antennas to get a good signal on your TV

That "sport fisherman" is probably in the pay of SpaceX competitor ULA or a pissed off NASA contractor.

Hehe

Bird just flew through the oxygen

>>1103979
T-27 minutes now, we're traveling backwards through time! woo!

>T-00:27:30
THOSE BASTARDS

HOW DARE THEY DELAY MY VIEWING EXPERIENCE

>>1104000
bird : "this cloud makes me feel funny"

>>1104004
>T-00:15:00
THANKS JESUS, BACK TO WAITING

T -15 PEOPLE!!!

>>1104019
once the clock starts counting...

The hold clock stopped...

>>1104016
Whao shit, my nuts.


THEY'VE FROZEN OFFFF

Anyone know why the hold clock has also been put on hold?

>>1104034
They ran out of tech support representatives.

>>1104034
because engineers find irony delicious.

>>1104044

Ferrous Flakes - Ironically delicious!

>>1104060
we should make pun contests a regular occurance on /sci/, it'd better than all the troll threads.

Oh its back to T: 15

>>1104075
The song "Detachable Penis" just came up in my playlist. Look at the video and tell yourself that isn't some kind of witty joke.

Bumpin' anyway for the 2-hour hold mark.

ARGH! Another fucking boat is in the way!

>Posted June 04, 2010 09:57 Pacific Time

>T+ 02:01:15 Launch scheduled in the next 5 minutes.

HOLD COUNTER GO...

RESET? What?

And we are launch!

THE BOATS

THE BOATS THEY KEEP COMING
anyway, back with food.
a chopper is on its way to fend of the boat.

>>1104172
So why exactly is a boat a problem? All I can think of is "something goes wrong and bits of rocket land on them".

anyone else having trouble connecting to the webcast all of a sudden?

>>1104164
we better not, my stream just foo'd, ok, good, we're still at T 15, i'd angst pretty hard if i missed this.

>>1104182
thats the point, its not good news for the space industry if their rockets start falling onto people.

>>1104194
they're broadcasting live across the internet, they can't be doing it to suppress coverage. They might just want it gone for a security reasons, maybe he has a sniper rifle and he plans to shoot the fuel pumps or something?

From what I've heard it is a rather unpleasant experience for boaters in the range.

The choppers hover right over you (difficult to ignore a Blackhawk 20 ft above you), they drop a 5lb bag of flour on your boat, with a note telling you which direction you need to head in immediately at maximum possible speed.

Once you are outside of the range, Coast Guard will board your boat and you will spend a few hours in their company as they inspect your vessel and question all the passengers.

If the captain has been consuming alcohol (not uncommon), they will be seriously busted.

Very few people are ever intercepted twice. Anyone who goes through the wringer once learns very directly, that it isn't worthwhile making that mistake again.

The new launch time is expected to be 1:30 p.m. EDT, and the countdown clock will pick up in five minutes.

lets hope for no boats....

T-15 ...AND COUNTING!

The new launch time is expected to be 1:30 p.m. EDT, and the countdown clock will pick up in five minutes.

DAMN YOU WEBCAST! WORK!

all go for countdown.

launch in 14 minutes!

HOLY SHIT!! ITS HAPPENING!!

>>1104194
"FUCK. Two trawlers at the bottom of the ocean. How in hell are we going to spin this?"
"Give me ten minutes."

============
New York Times
USA Announces New Missile
*New portable platform design
*Claimed to have "inter-planetary" range
*Attained sub-meter accuracy in recent testing

Joke over, T-countdown is active!!

T minus 10 minutes.

gogogogo spacex!

is the voice over someone from here?

he can barely talk

>>1104245
he's no bill nye, but i think he's doing a fair job for how little public speaking our people engage in.

Fuck, now I can't connect to the stream. I hope you guys are taking screenshots.

>>1104251
try http://www.livestream.com/spaceflightnow - it's not as good though.

steering checks done.
T minus 6 minutes. everything green so far!

vehicle on internal power- power level good.
transmitters on.

liftoff at 11AM guys!

T minus 4 minutes. vehicle release platform booted and ready for launch
abort system online.

history in the making here.

t minus four minutes!

>>1104260
thanks!

T minus 3 minutes

fueling bleed completed - closing fuel valves. everything in go condition

T minus 2 minutes.
Launch director go for launch

lox filled
stopped heating of l2 lines

OH GOD IT'S HORRIBLE

Range go. T minus 1 minute!
prevalves open
helium load ended

THEYRE REALLY GOING MOTHERFUCK

ONE FUCKING MINUTE

onboard pc have control

hope all engines work
everytihng green so far

20 seconds to go

This fucker better not blow up on the pad.
30 seconds.

last chance to get in here!

30 seconds gents

LOL

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

launch pad abort - engine aborted.
looks like the fault was the same as the original engine test.

ffffuuuu-

Mission abort

ABORT LOL

ABORT SHUTDOWN SAFE MODE?! @ 2 seconds!!!

FFFFFFF

WHAT THA FACK

WAAAAH! ABORT!

T - 0.10

HOLD!!!

FUUUUU

the vehicle shut itself off. the same happened on the static fire test.
I wonder if it is the same system.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Looks like we all got trolled by the onboard computer guys

well, it's better than a cataclysmic explosion...

If this were on Discovery Channel they'd just blow the whole thing up now and call it a day.

This abort is annoying, but its better than it blowing up.

abort at T minus 3 seconds.

there was a green flash from engine igniters - then the built in safety system stopped it.

dont forget people - this is a FIRST launch of a TOTALLY new vehicle. this is seriously hard.

>>1104329
>>1104329
The children are our future
The computers are our trolls
this r future

>>1104334
lol, soo true.

>>1104331
>>1104334
>>1104335
detonationmind

>>1104339
how many launch pad disasters did we have, after all? I remember watching october sky, and really, fancy bombs were a lot more common than rockets.

>>1104350
not that much.
really. they are quite rare on established systems
there where like 3 launches in the past 2 weeks.
A proton, last night. thats no small fella.

nasa be trollin too
theyre playing "This week in Nasa History/Gallery" which amounts to a mediocre slideshow instead of playing this launch WTF

I keep half-expecting to see somebody actually walk out to the rocket and fix something.

>>1104361
i mean back in the 50's and 60's, when we were just getting going. shit was bananas.

"Oops! I left the silly thing in reverse!" - Duck Dodgers

I'm a huge fucking idiot... just realised I'd moved the scrollbar somehow and was a minute or two behind the rest of you guys. Couldn't understand how there could be so many posts a second after something happened.

Wind seems to have settled down maybe they'll launch now.

>>1104369
dude.

what part of SpaceX dont you understand? this is not nasa. the range is not nasa. the mission is not nasa. there is nothing nasa about this.
I guess we'll see a launch attempt tomorrow. Good safety system atleast.

>>1104399
I don't think wind was the initial malf,

>>1104403
I think what he means is nasa's ignoring it. which they may be.

>>1104411
they are not. they just cant do commercials for a company on a public channel like nasaTV.

I really really really hope this is a sucess.

Obama's entire plan for space is built on companies like tihs. First launches have a really high failure rate.

/sci/ let us hold hands and sing.

6 minutes till launch?

Holy fuck.

timer's reset!

clock reset

lol what a troll of a rocket

T-15

>>1104427

its T- 15 minutes now.
Lets get this fucker going

>>1104432

Aw fuck. Quit it with this shit SpaceX.
Your entire company depends on this.
His other company Tesla moters is dead broke.
If this is a success his dreams might come true after all

The igniters are a pyrophoric liquid slug ahead of the fuel (ignites on contact with air or LOX) good for one try only.
SSME had a shutdown at tminus one due to a turbopump sensor that showed a false positive failure condition.
Spacex has 9 engines, all must be within a number of specifications, pressure temperature etc.

I guess we'll see a scrub till tomorrow.
(SSME: space shuttle main engine )

>>1104445
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Motors

hurrr.

funny how noone understand how launches work. its pretty common for launches to be at T-1 minute for days

>>1104450

Damn. @_@
are you for real? I dont want this to be delayed.
we have been waiting way too long for something like this

>>1104462
I understand them perfectly. and they're not at t minus 1. They are t minus 10 or 15.
And a scrub at t minus 3 seconds (!) is not that common. not unheard off, but really.

>>1104460

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/05/musk-says-i-ran-out-of-cash/


>Hurrr

>>1104487
>implying he isnt in a divorce right now and has TONS AND TONS OF ASSETS, just not cash.

they really dont have money problems. estimates are that spacex could survive 4 launch failures ( as in, it blows up ) and still go on.
so yeah,
>huurrrr

>>1104499
also, spacex finances are totally apart from musks personal finances.

woot another launch attempt on the way

So what's happening then? It's night in my timezone, should I just give up and call it a...
fuck. It's 4am. I may as well just stay up anyway.

Oh he's talking! I'll stand by, sir.

Anyway. Here's a fun little graph of the posting rates in this thread (for 5 minute time periods since it was made).

>>1104508

One more attempt before they have to scrub it for tomorrow

still time for one more attempt.
abort was due to a launch parameter being out of bounds.
so refueling and the likes, and one more try.

Also a few more boats spotted. the fuckers.

Posted June 04, 2010 10:57 Pacific Time

We still have time in today's launch window for another attempt

>>1104512


What part of the world are you in?

looking at a 2:45 pm new T-0 time

for those of you who are intrested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigelow_Aerospace
Bigelow are another space company similar to spaceX, and are working on space hotels, they have already launched the worlds first commercial space station. Just though I'd drop this here.

" big cargo ship heading south bound has entered the range, 20 miles off shore "

MOTHERFUCKERS
NUKE THE FUCKERS OUT OF THE WAY

>>1104543

All that rides on Space X being able to get them to orbit. I have been following Bigelow for a while now.
>using tech nasa threw away cause of bureaucracy
@_@ this is why private corps are needed in space

>>1104549
I hope that helicopter is carrying enough flour.

>>1104549
where are you getting these live updates from?

GET THAT FUCKING OUT MY FUCKING RANGE

>>1104553
and also why nasa exists, they hammer out technology, private sector implements it. Powerful symbiosis.

>>1104567

not the guy you quoted but you can hear them from the webcast. Turn the volume up. he makes announcements periodically

>>1104574
I only hear wind

>>1104579
>Periodically.

Listen to the wind harder. Ask the grass to reveal its secrets to you.

>>1104572

>implying NASA has the balls to try new tech anymore.

>>1104586
i'm spinning pipe dreams on how a public space agency ought to interact with private sector. Nasa should do projects that explore the possibilities of frontier tech like inflatable space habbitats, turn that into open patent stuff so that any company can pick it up, do some in house modifications and make that private tech and make a business out of it. the middle way is usually more nuanced that "woo capitalism"

>>1104567
I wont tell that here, lest the forum gets flooded with /b/tards.
you can email me
yarr.dude (at) gmail dot com

>>1104586
Wanna rage hard?
read up on this:
http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/searagon.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Dragon_%28rocket%29

550 tons (! ) to leo ON A SINGLE LAUNCH
2 LAUNCHES FOR THE WHOLE ISS MASS
totally doable, ON BUDGET.
not used. reason?
"not interesting".
fuckers.

HOW LONG FROM NOW WILL THE LAUNCH BE?

updates on the ship;
telling cargo vessel to hold position if possible, name is the Charleston

and now:
Charleston is going to turn around and head north

so that one will clear range

launch, if any, will be at the end of the launch window.

>>1104615

I thought it was because Nixon cut half of NASA's budget, ending the whole Future Projects branch.

>>1104637
yes, at the time that was also one of the reasons. however, the reason to go with things like the shuttle and such, and never even reconsider it - it gets named now and then - is because "we dont make engines like that".
basically, its a Big Dumb Booster. The russians are way more in that direction, which, imho, is the way to go.

>>1104631

>>1104637

>>1104646

I agree, Big Dumb Boosters are the shit, godammit why does NASA try to be all efficient?!

Don't they realize they would get more public approval if they made a BIG FUCKING ROCKET with little to no tax money?

we will hear within 25 minutes if we are go for a last launch attempt.

Well I'm just killing time now watching that atom bomb documentary. Probably putting me in the wrong mindset though...

Also the big dumb booster - I read some sci fi book years ago and this guy made one (to the point of calling it that) and all these wonders happened and blah blah awesome. So it was actually almost real? Yessirree, I'm ragin'.

>>1104637
>>1104637

Fuck. Well obama reopened that branch. The only good thing coming out NASA anytime soon is the ION engine and that is being built and designed by a private entity

>>1104667

Are you refering to the Maniforld series by Steven Baxter? As he wrote a lot of books about what almost happend in the space industry.

>>1104615

I emailed you man. Check your inbox

>>1104654
...the last post...
DUN DUN!!

>>1104677
Holy shit dude. You got it in one. Wonder if I should re-read them... I keep wearing nostalgia goggles recently :-(

KSC radio said new T-0 at 2:45pm.

That would imply about 7 mins to resuming the count.

Confirmed. Resume the count at 14:30, T-0 is 14:45

so we have another launch attempt!
also, the stephen baxter series are a bit too much if you read a few of them.
but the "big dumb booster" he named is indeed, well, real. nasa always goes CUTTING EDGE TECH and their launches cost millions.
Russians just launch a soyuz. and another one. and when it snows, they just launch. and its made of steel. no fancy composite materials. way closer to the big dumb booster ideal. The Sea Dragon is basically the ultimate BDB though. I would love to see one build.
550 tonnes to low earth orbit in a single launch - can you imagine that!

>>1104695
COuntdown's on, you wizard you.

Terminal Count started!!!!!!

>>1104679
send!

terminal count started again!
T minus 15 again, and counting!

Lets hope its this time!

CLOCK IS TICKING

O GOD O GOD O GOD O GOD O GOD O GOD O GOD

TERMINAL COUNT HAS BEEN INITIATED

Countdown started.

o shi- its on

counting down!

Guys, guys...

What if the T stands for Troll?

Its now T minus 11 minutes.

ten minutes...

SpaceX has said that the main engines did not ignite.

so it was only the initial igniter.
T minus 10 minutes, for the last attempt of today. lets hope they get it going!

>Abort

>>1104752

T minus 9.
please please work falcon 9

Did the camera change at some point? I don't remember that tower on the left...

OH GOD A GIANT BEE

This is probably just one of the coolest things i have ever watched. I just love listening to the radio chatter that goes on and thier cross checks...god i feel like a little kid

>>1104763

Yeah. This is the best view of the launch.

T minus 8 minutes

terminal count started ( once again )
all engines started chilling.
a bug just flew before the camera. get out bug, you wont survive it!
everything go so far. Weather looks baad...I hope they wont have to abort for that...
t minus 8 minutes 10 sec and counting.

>>1104766
I guess they could always abort the launch to get those insects safely away...

T minus 7 minutes mark

prevalves open
stage 2 hydraulics loaded
engine and turbopumps being chilled.
Fuel bleed open
T minus 6 minutes. everything green so far.

T minus 6 minutes. Mark.

I am so giddy.

I'M GOING TO MASTURBATE AND EJACULATE WHEN THE FALCON 9 LIFTS OFF

6:00 to fried insects

T minus 5 minutes and switched to internal power, everybody get in here!

vehicle on internal;
vehicle battery green status;
vehicle release pad setting up
vehicle set to flight.
internal power to 2nd stage on.

t minus 4 minutes 40 seconds

T minus 5 minutes mark

We are close.

T minus 3 minutes.

Shaking from excitement

Some fitting music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USjECyG3Jjo

video and telemetry lock verified. the initial error was cleared it seems.
everything green so far.
T minus 3 minutes.

>>1104817

Fuck no. that is shit music.

T minus 3 minutes. locked and loaded

3 MINUTES SO EXCITED DON'T YOU FUCK UP THIS TIME ROCKET

Get ready to join the cosmic ballet!
T minus 3 minutes.

Preemptive "OH THE HUMANITY"

2:30 - LD go for launch

all prevalves closed
launch director is GO for launch!
heaters ending.
T minus 2 minutes

VERIFY RANGE GO!

RANGE IS GO!!! OMG GO!

T Minus 2 minutes.

Hold on to your ball sack

ninety fucking seconds and the bee is still hanging around? is he nuts?

Range is GO!
2nd stage LOX tank closed
helium load ended
I dont want another launch abort oh god oh god
T minus 1 minute and counting.
wanna bet for another t minus 2 seconds abort?

GO GO ROCKET RANGERS!

60 seconds or so from what I'm watching.

It's probably already actually launched, I remember the lag on the NASA streams being about 2 minutes.

WE ARE IN THE FINAL STRETCH.

T MINUS 60 SECONDS.

1 minute OMFG !!!

LOOK OUT FOR THE WASP

lol wasp

Oh fuck bees!

20 Fucking seconds!

0:30 !!!

GOGOGOO
ENGINE IGNITION AND LIFTOFF

GOOD GOD ITS BEAUTIFULL

FUCK YEHH

"win"

OH GOD I AM COVERED IN GOOSEBUMPS

WE HAVE LAUNCH

FOR GOD SAKE STAY IN ONE PIECE

GOOD GOD THAT CAMERA ANGLE

first stage performing normally.

this IS A NEW ROCKET THE FIRST TIME LAUNCH
GOOD GOD.
max Q soon.

LIFTOFF!!!!!!!!

looks like doctor evils dick and balls space ship

next time -
2nd stage sep
thats the hardest

YOU CAN DO IT FALCON 9

GO GO GO GO GO GO.

For the love of all that is holy reach orbit falcon 9

HAHA listen to them cheering

Ladies and gentlemen

We have now entered the modern space age

shit. I was hoping to see a massive explosion

Fuck!!!! I lost the connection at T minus 30 seconds

SECOND STAGE

WE HAVE SECOND STAGE SEPERATION

Did it sound to anyone else like on the radio they were screaming 'OH GOD NO'? ...just me?

HOLY JESUS FUCK THIS IS THE MOST AMAZING THING I HAVE EVER SEEN LIVE

SWEET SHIT THIS IS AWESOME

STAGE SEP AND IGNITION!!!

pitch nominal!
engine operating normally!
Stage stap soon

aaand.
MAIN ENGINE CUTOFF

AND WE HAVE SEP

AND SECOND STAGE IGNITION
YES
LOOK AT THAT GLOW FROM THE MERLIN VACUUM ENGINE

OH GOD IT'S IN SPACE

SECOND STAGE.
GO GO GO GO.

modern space age here we come.

3500 m/s!
more than 10 times the speed of sound at sea level!

Goddamnit Nasa you can send shit into space but you can't fucking setup a proper stream what the fuck.
Regardless that was awesome.

2ns STAGE PERFORMING NOMINALLY

A FEW MINUTES LEFT TO BURN AND IT WILL BE A TOTAL 100% SUCCES

LOOK AT THAT PITCH CONTROLLER YOU CAN SEE IT MOVING

tears in my eyes, tears in my eyes.

>>1104889
no. It means there's a new rocket which still isn't quite as good as a 40 year old russian design.

so uh... what's meant to happen now? is there another stage? is it just going to turn off after a while?

>>1104893
DAMN IT, I missed seperation also!

separation is clean yeah!!

someone said "oh sweet victory" over the radio! :)

holy cow look at that exhaust thingy expand

>>1104912
it's not NASA!

>>1104911
don't you need to go at 11km/s to get into orbit?

4000 meters per second, 189km altitude.

that red glow from the vacuum engine is fucking AWESOME - its due to radiaton cooling

PERFECT FUCKING TIMING

I fapped and came exactly when the rocket took off.

What a glorious day.

239 km
almost 5000 m/s

amazing

lol grassfires

grass fires by hanger (lol)

Oh and fuck me sideways I lost the stream right after the launch.

Great! Now its in space, where does it go now? does it just burn up?

"we have grassfires on by the hangar"

2nd stage is performing as expected - including fuel dumps ( trimming )
guidiance, battery and test dragon capsule are perfoming nominally

look at that earth man, just look at it.

in b4 it gets bogged down in government budget cuts and never flys again

>>1104961

This is not NASA man. This is a private company. they will be rolling in money after this launch.

There is a huge market for sattelites

yeayay orbit achieved!!!!

... I just watched something go into orbit.

:O

EARTH ORBIT BITCHES

HAHA, party in the background

>>1104961

>government budget cuts

>private company

SECO : IN ORBIT!!!

Mission success!!!

we orbit now

>>1104956
this is a test launch. it has no real payload - it will burn out when it reaches its orbit, and will then slowly decay over the course of a year.
The dummy paylaod is a dragon ( their capsule ) spacecraft dummy, packed with sensors.
265 kilometres high
7000 meters per second
reached orbit, 2nd stage sep.
Lost video signal as it passed out of the horizon.

100% FUCKING SUCCES.

>>1104961
naysayer.

but ya, i was thinking along those lines :(

SpaceX CAN into space!

this makes me happy to be an aerospace engineer :)

So now that we're in the future, what's next? i say we get piss blind drunk for now.

EARTH ORBIT FUCK YEAH!!
A NEW ERA OF SPACE TRAVEL HAS BEGUN!!

also, fuck clouds, I couldn't see the launch from my apartment.

>>1104961
>>1104988

This is a private company, with private customers as well as nasa, so this is not very likely.

>>1104988
"Let's tax space!"

What a glorious day.

Yay for private spaceflight!

I can hear the SpaceX CEO:

OH GOD SO MUCH MONEY SO MUCH MONEY I'M ROLLING IN IT SO MUCH MONEY I'M SCROODGE FUCKING MCDUCK

>>1104988
>>1104961

You two. Its a PRIVATE corporation. Not NASA.
This is why we are all so excited about it.
The same guy who makes TESLA cars owns this company

a quick review -
reloaded after first abort at T minus 2 seconds.
2nd time, flawless launch, max Q, MECO, stage SEP, 2nd stage merlin ignition, and SECO, achieving orbit.

HOWEVER

the roll at the end of the orbit seemed to be increasing, not sure what happened there, but it didnt really look nominal. not too much of a damper, but still. It'll be interesting.

Thanks for staying with me in the thread.

also, they might try to recover the first stage. first time anyone has done that...

heres the liftoff.

so, uh... what happened to that bee?

>>1105049
blown to safety by the gentile breeze of the exhaust gas.

>>1105067
didn't the exhaust gas ignite most of the organic material near the launch pad? Bee's got a god chance of being dead.

>>1105102
bees can fly. grass cant. if the bee had been on fire im sure they would have called it a beefire instead of a grassfire. so dont worry, it was only grass that burned.

I almost chocked when I saw how...very...slowly....the first 10 meters where.
Anyway, talk on the insider forums is now that the roll is the only thing that was an anomaly, but that they are waiting for indipendent orbit information.
however, overall, the launch was a GREAT SUCCES

and epic. I think you can use the word here.

pictures now slowly streaming in, I expect a youtube of it soon.

first, just look at this picture
http://twitpic.com/1twaez/full

other minor issues noted;
there where a lot of sparks on first stage. it looked like some insulation got loose, possibly burned up. not a biggie.
then, the roll on 2nd stage might be due to the turbopump exhaust ( which worked as a gimbal ) getting stuck. The roll at the end wasnt intended, and it seemed to accelerate.
both issues are , of course, TINY PEANUTS compared ot the first launch of a new rocket.

recovery of the 1st stage is underway - we'll hear later about its success.
it's quite good that the 2nd stage went flawless aswell - it had NEVER BEEN TESTED in a vacuum.

I heard an announcer claim that there were no stabilizing rockets on the second stage to correct any sort of roll. I really don't know much about spacecraft so I don't know if he's talking out of his ass or what.

>>1105114
I think you're not getting what i'm saying. I don't like bees. BURN THEM ALL. all the non-pollinators anyway.

>>1105153
you can use gyroscopes and the likes. and the gimballing rocket engine can be used aswell. as can a ( working ) dragon capsule. its not a real issue.
a succes would have been a first stage launch, with 2nd stage failing - obviously we got more then that.

There is also some talk about a slight recontact between 1st and 2nd stage - they might want to use a second more or something before stage sep.

Talk of fuel slosh may have been spurred by the roll. Fuel accelerating from a standstill in the tank to a swirl down the feed lines imparts a torque to the vehicle.

and the youtubes are UP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt_SA1aXU60&feature=player_embedded
handheld from a distance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTkr9PeDeko&feature=player_embedded

1 minute long from t minus 30 secs till t plus 30.
HD soon, hopefully.
goddamn, it looks gorgeous.

im outta this thread.
time for a beer on my roof, while there is still some last sun. I'll raise one for SpaceX for sure!
thanks for everyone screaming, it was fun.

http://www.twitvid.com/E2JKU

bad video, EXCELLENT SOUND
goddamn its noisy

>>1105142
>recovery of the 1st stage is underway - we'll hear later about its success.

First news is that it hit harder than expected, and there is a debris field. So much for first stage recovery on this flight.