/sci/ - Science & Math

>>11003419
computer science, engineering, and real science are for people too stupid for mathematics

>>11003419
It’s actually just for people who want to make a lot of money right away.

>>11003486
Is this true, I want money

:(

>>11003491
Yeah. People who go into CS for interest alone are few and in between. The reason the major is oversubscribed at my uni (Berkeley) is because there are impressive job offers for undergrads. Meanwhile math and science kiddos can only hope for some lab work or graduate school.

>>11003499
How to get impressive job offers? And how impressive are we talking?

EECS kids can expect a 150k starting salary from google

>>11003502
150k salary + 50k bonus + 100k vested stock over 5 years.

That’s for a new fresh graduate first job. EECS. Not me but offers like this aren’t uncommon.

>>11003503
>>11003506
What’s the catch? How is this possible?

So imagine being a little shit only 22 years old and you’re worth almost half a million a year out of college.

I’m a bio major ofc so I will be poor

>>11003507
For select EECS/CS departments (MIT, Caltech, Berkeley, Stanford) just about every decent graduate can expect an offer like this. The programs are rigorous and the students are super productive employees so obviously there is competition to hire them, it turns out that all these companies vying for a small pool results in a higher salary for fresh hires.

So for these schools there are dedicated recruiters and constant events (I sometimes used to go to get free food) just in the hopes of catching a student and hiring them. Meanwhile if your regular CS grad from state school thinks they will make this, they’re wrong. These girls/guys I’m talking about are executive tract engineers.

>>11003515
Damn, now the reality of how much it sucks to not be in these schools is setting in. That’s some truly life changing stuff, but guess I was too brainlet to do it. Are their programs really more rigorous than other programs? What do they do that makes it so? Why can’t other schools do the same? They must be pretty super productive if the results are that amazing.

>>11003534
People choose Berkeley EECS over Harvard, Yale, and Oxford.

They are rigorous. The students are smart as fuck. The professors are all like the people who created CS and have ties to big companies. The projects are all specially selected to be relevant and useful.

>>11003534
Well the problem is that “the best minds of my generation are figuring out to sell ads on Facebook” and not curing cancer.

I don’t know if they are truly smarter but they are shark type people (although always clad in friendly Silicon Valley garb). They can do what these companies want and they managed to develop new products that generate value. The entire EECS grad class is like long lists of google/apple/Goldman Sachs/Microsoft/etc.

>>11003542
So it’s basically impossible to get into Berkeley EECS unless you’re already amazing and have tons of accomplishments?

>>11003419
Engineering, mathematics, and real science are for people who are too stupid for computer science

>>11003599
Yep. It’s a separate admissions. They have an acceptance rate of 3% while Berkeley is itself 15%.

>>11003499
Hold up, so only EECS grads are guaranteed jobs, but every other major isn’t guaranteed the same despite being from the same prestigious school and likely a similarly rigorous program? That’s interesting. Does that mean it’s easier to get into those programs since they have less of a guarantee?

>>11003636
Yes and yes. You can get into Berkeley undeclared (college of letters and sciences) like me which is like 20% but it’s decreased to 17%. You can get into Berkeley college of engineering which is 15%. You can apply to EECS which is 3%. There is no in school transfer option to EECS. I can transfer to mechanical engineering if I try and I’d have to do an internal application but I can’t do it for EECS.

So yeah I wouldn’t be impressed by Berkeley generally, but I think EECS is impressive.

>>11003636
The programs aren’t similarly rigorous. EECS is a double major rolled into one, and they study physics/math/electrical engineering/computer science all rolled into one.

So now the coolest thing is the EECS/haas program which is called MET, and it is a BS in EECS and a BS in business administration. You have to apply separately to both as a freshman and can’t transfer.

Normally if you go in to the general university undeclared you can apply to transfer to school of business at end of year 2.

In my college (letters and sciences) we have applied math and all the sciences and also just “computer science”. So if you want you can study CS/Applied Math but it doesn’t carry quite the same prestige. Lots of people do CS/Stats or CS/CogSci or CS/Econ (economics is not in the business school).

So letters and sciences is the normie brainlet college but we are all in Berkeley and walk past each other every day. All humanities and basic sciences and social sciences are in L&S and within my college I can transfer to any major as long as I do the right classes and get good grades. That’s because the popular ones like CS and Econ require passing “weeder classes” to “declare”. Chemistry and majors like Molecular and Cell Biology are also in this college but we have an additional “College of Chemistry” that’s has a more in depth BS in chemistry or in Chemical biology. There are entirely different tracts depending on whether you do chemistry in L&S or CoC, like you take Chem 1ab in the former versus Chem3ab in the latter (more quantitative chemistry).

Being in L&S is like going to community college or a low tier state school while being at College of Engineering/Chemistry/Business/Environment/Agriculture/etc. (there’s a few more tbqh) is a far more rigorous experience. But we all get to be “Berkeley students”.

>>11003499
every uni is completely inundated with CS majors, i'm surprised with the absolutely massive numbers of kids graduating is CS every year that the industry hasn't stalled completely with thousands jobless. I wonder why is that?

General public doesn’t know this but recruiters and companies do

>>11003702
Yeah so the CS61A intro to data systems (based on python) has 1000 students per semester per section (3 sections). And it’s a literal gigantic auditorium.

Same class meets 3 different times a day. 3x a week. So you can go to lecture at 9am or 11am or 3pm. Same lecture every day. The instructors vary but it’s the same class, you can go to whichever you want and same test and hw.

It decreases for upper division CS but all the 3 I got CS classes are like this. CS61ABC... B is java based.... C is hardware based and covers compiling and shit.

In conclusion. Thanks for reading my blog. Don’t go to Berkeley unless you’re in EECS, or you’re going to grad school. Undergrad here is an absolute meme (except for EECS).

Why are there so many incels in CS?

>>11003419
These fucking guys talking about six figure salaries and elite colleges and here I'm rotting in a Mexican no name Instute of Technology.

>>11003767
Do a math undergrad and apply to Berkeley or Stanford for a masters in EECS. That is a golden path. They’ll let you in if you have ok GRE and grades

>>11003767
CS61ABC are all fully online if you want to follow them you can.

So they also made this class CS10 for “humanities and social science” to get into programming.

And there’s a new Data Science Major which is in its own college of Information.

>>11003714
How does grading even work? How do they learn without hands on debugging? How many of those 1000 graduate?

>>11003792
Lol they hire like second/third year EECS and CS Majors to grads you. So your TA is a fucking undergrad.

>>11003792
Also the hw is electronically submitted via terminal so it grades automatically. But for tests it’s the TAs. Projects are also uploaded and the prof tests them with code... there’s a competition called “Hog” in CS61A and there’s games you design so your win rate can be higher or worse but must be above a certain percentage and pass the tests to count as hw... the higher win rates being extra credit.

>>11003767
>be me
>study in a brazilian uni within the best 10 of LatAm
>not even top 200 in the world

>>11003792
https://cs61a.org/proj/hog/
Debugging you can ask on the online class forums or go in office hours but it’s fairly straightforward.

>>11003802
Don't believe those ranks, the Tecnológico de Monterrey is likely the second or third best university in Latin America and is not better than my shitty local Institute.

>>11003419
I'd argue computer science is a real science everywhere outside the US at least. But I do agree that pure mathematics is surely harder.

>>11003810
Why is the language python? Is there a specific reasoning?

>>11003843
Yes they say it is a great language for readability and teaches abstraction which is the point of that class. Java and C++ and C come in at CS61B.

Also a lot of google is built on python and the prof is a former google employee.

>>11003850
They learn three languages at once in one class?

>>11003760
It doesn’t require extreme brain power to think this through, but serious, you don’t belong here and you should grow up or you’re never going to make it you fucking sociopathic vapid zoomer

>>11003881
Yeah. Berkeley doesn’t teach by language but by concepts. So you’re supposed to be able to instantly learn and adapt to new languages.

It’s built up from the first class to teach “programming fundamentals” which they believe what makes it a computer science versus applied code monkeyhood.

>>11003419
As a lawyer I absolutely despise codemonkeys. I can't wait until international IP and patent laws make their lives a living hell.

>>11003767
I feel you bro.

>>11003702
It's still growing.

>>11003921
But lawyers use codemonkeys too.

yep, it's a meme but I have to admit it was kind of good 20-15 years ago

>>11003921
I can do your shitty verbose "profession", you can't do mine.

>>11003938
I am sure you can, autismo. Barely capable to string together enough words to form a coherent sentence. Sweats buckets infront of an audience. But I am sure you'd perform in litigation, Lord Stackoverflow. Being a codemonkey isn't hard. If you think you're special, check again. CS is the 21st century's economics degree.

>>11003946
CS is the 21th century factory worker analogue, and I say that as a CSfag

>>11003946
Imagine reading tons of boiler plate texts only to defend Tyrone murdering the local grandma as a public defender. I can give public speeches, and I'm actually good at tech, fuck you leech.

>>11003982
You'll be grateful for a reasonably educated public defender once the FBI busted your door to arrest your for distributing loli pornography.

>>11003989
I'll flee to Thailand, Saul Goodman wanna be.

>>11003989
I'll flee to Thailand, Saul Goodman wanna be.
Only a true schizoid will actually endure thousands upon thousands of legalese bullshit.

>>11003625
You can't study comp sci through the college of letters and sciences? Or are you talking about an engineering degree from the college of engineering?

>>11003989
>loli pornography
not illegal nor should it be

>>11004183
>pornography
It's not porn if the characters aren't 3D.

>>11003946
>Barely capable to string together enough words to form a coherent sentence.
>Sweats buckets infront of an audience.
sentence fragments
>"infront"
nice coherent sentences there, bud

Since this is the CS general thread, I'm gonna post my game plan and where I'm at so far to get vetted.

I went to an alright CS program but not amazing in Canada - I graduated with 2 years of experience and worked 1 year outside. I just got a remote job that pays pretty well (for Canada). I'm 24 right now, and my goal is to be L7/E7 at Facebook/goog by 28.

>Get comfortable at my current company (6 months)
> Apply for masters for next semester at the loo, university of Toronto, and my university
>Do masters over 3 years
>When I'm about to finish my masters, I'll apply to google, Facebook, Amazon, etc etc

A big reason I want to do this is because I want to publish at least one research paper. Both my parents have PhDs so I want to live up to them at least

Good plan?

>>11004626
Why waste time applying for a Masters and waste 3 years when you can gitgud at leetCode (shouldn't take more than 3 months of intense algorithmic study and practice) and apply straight to FAANG anyway?

Don't be stupid.

>>11003824
Yeah, it seems like CS undergrad in the US is often mostly programming/software engineering. At my European university a third of my CS undergrad was theory and math where theory is something like computability or complexity theory while data structures and algorithms counts as applied CS.

>>11004640
I'm already a leetcode god. I honestly just want to get back into school man. I want to publish a paper or two.

I'm studying CS and I'm good at programming but do they really care that much what school you went to? I could only afford a state school.

>>11004774
Good schools only help with finding a good first job. But of course, a good first job is what snowballs into a really high position later on.

>>11004491
English is my third language so forgive me for not proof-reading my posts made on a taiwanese basket weaving forum.

>>11004150
>You can't study comp sci through the college of letters and sciences? Or are you talking about an engineering degree from the college of engineering?
you can get a B.A. in computer science from letters and sciences, but you can only get a B.S. in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science (one major, aka EECS) from the college of engineering and even within that college it is something you need to apply to if you didn't apply as a freshman admit.

>>11004774
At "target schools" the big tech companies and also finance-tech recruiters show up like crazy. It is all about getting your foot in the door and being recruited. for EECS grads, they are actively recruited so much so that people in 3rd year are being given offers and recruiters are taking out seniors to dinners n shit to woe them (french laundry or other michelin stars).

>>11003419
Based

>>11004150
But the CS classes in letters and sciences are given through the college of engineering, so the eecs and cs kids can share some classes, true. but i've seen the recruiters come and turn cold when they learn an applicant is just cs and not eecs. there is a "Computer engineering" department in eecs only and not in cs, and this is mostly a graduate group that offers a number of undergrad upper division electives.

im a fucking bio major and i even got invites to meet and greets in luxurious san francisco hotels cuz i took a few cs classes.

Test, /sci/:
1. Given a connected graph G with distinct edge weights prove that there is a unique minimum spanning tree.
2. Given a graph G give your best polynomial time approximation algorithm for the maximum independent set.
3. Given an r-uniform hypergraph with each edge being a set of r vertices, give an r-approximation algorithm for the minimum vertex cover.
If you fail to answer these questions, you are not actually a computer scientist/do not understand what computer science is.

EECS student at berkeley
Summer 1: Microsoft discovery engineering intern (paid prorated 108k salary, like 9k a month for 3 months)
Summer2: Apple Software Engineering Intern or Microsoft Program Manager Intern both paid 120k , so 10k a month for 3 months
Summer3: Google or Apple or Microsoft senior position internship (can make 120k or more)
Summer 4: final intership, you probably have offers from a bunch of companies and you can negotiate them up, or you can talk to goldman sachs and be hired for a final summer internship (to try new things and be well rounded, make 10k a month as a trader intern in nyc)...

fall of final year, by october you respond and decide where to go for fulltime in may... sign by november. bonus you get immediately /moving costs sent to you in april.

this is how people live.

All the while you're getting your dick wet in the hot "engineer" girls these companies also hire and in the design/business interns and in these cities where everyone is partying every weekend .

>>11005208
>>11005207
and we all clapped.

>>11005217
i seens it. bruh. i seens it. i did one of these internships and i got paid 45k over the summer.. didnt . i didnt get my dick wet as much cuz im a bit of a dork but others were doing it all the time. they bring over super hot girls, cuz its interview based, basically if you're a girl you gotta be alt or hot.

didnt get an offer tho. i was a a bit out of it that summer for personal reasons and didnt communicate well with my team.

i used the money to fix my teeth and travel around the world after graduating. also just spent a lot on clothes/restaurants.

yo check it.
https://www.glassdoor.com/Intern-Salary/Microsoft-Redmond-Internship-Salary-EI_IE1651.0,9_IL.10,17_IC1150499.htm

https://www.glassdoor.com/Intern-Salary/Microsoft-Redmond-Internship-Salary-EI_IE1651.0,9_IL.10,17_IC1150499.htm

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/02/how-much-amazon-apple-facebook-and-google-summer-interns-earn.html

these are even low estimates tbqh cuz they pay less to kids from ohio state than eecs berkeley even for the same role... and they dont like to advertise how much everyone really makes.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Intern-Salary/Facebook-Menlo-Park-Internship-Salary-EI_IE40772.0,8_IL.9,19_IC1147371.htm

didnt mean to post microsoft twice.

any1 want 2 buy some cheese?

i'm beginning to dislike cs, as well as the academic culture at my uni, but i have nowhere to go. none of my efforts have paid off and i think jumping off a building is the most productive thing i could do at this point

>>11005888

i didn't want it to end like this but i have no other way out. my advisor is/was a no-good rat who is nothing but hype. he never communicated clear objectives. his collaborators randomly stop collaborating. he tells you to do this or do that, and uses bait-and-switch tactics, and then gaslights you when things don't work out. he is a world-class prick and i place most of the blame squarely on his shoulders.

>>11005914

but at this point, i'm out of energy and money. i have nothing to show for my efforts. not that anyone necessarily owes me anything, but i cannot bear these circumstances any longer. i've been too depressed for far too long. i had hoped things would be different but this is the end of the road for me. i tried to enjoy life but can't say that i ever actually did. i feel bad for my immediate friends and family but i have nothing left to work with or give.

it feels like i've been slowly bleeding out for the last few years and now i'm nearly empty.

so that's my review of the cs major at my university

every visit to my university is like another tiny needle through my perforated heart. the thought of leaving empty handed fills me with despair

why does fortune and opportunity always seem to befall others and never myself? why do i feel as though so many others have misguided me? that the good things in life were simply never meant to fall into my hands?

i want to publish and have a few good results to my name. i don't want it to end here, it just looks like i failed. but it kills me that other people are getting far ahead on far less work, because they have better networks. i see no way forward.

i truly envy people who chose to study math or a natural science. at least the i'd have some fundamental motivation rather than learning to use this API or that design pattern. at least i'd have some connection to the natural world.

/sci/ is awfully cruel, hooking you with a few (you)'s and then giving you the cold shoulder for the rest of the day

oh why is the joke always at my expense?

>>11005938
sounds like you could profit from some counceling. Try it, its free and 100-1000s of other people at your uni had similar feelings and perspectives on this world.

>>11006288

i went to counseling sessions as a child but never got very much out of them. their advice was always somewhat obvious, and often easier said than done. certainly some people find it reassuring to have a councilor to strategize with and talk with, so i understand how they could benefit. it has never done much for me though

legally prescribed stimulants are the only things i find comforting these days, but i tend to take 1.5-2x my prescribed dose when i'm stressed and that leaves me without for 1-2 weeks before my refill is due. it's a bad habit that i'm trying to break. it's so hard to stay calm and collected.

>>11006331
>it's a bad habit that i'm trying to break.

doubling up, that is. the meds themselves work very well

>>11006331
>it's so hard to stay calm and collected.

even if i can muster the will to focus on something, i often get anxious and my mind goes blank. it hurts my confidence and makes it even harder to buckle down when the need arises.

>>11003792
I don't go to Berkely but a big state school with hundreds of students per class. All of my projects gave you sample inputs and expected outputs similar to what the professor and TAs were going to put into your program. They also had servers for each class that you have to ssh into and run your programs because that's what they'd be using to grade your test. If it doesn't run in the test server you failed the assignment.

>>11006444
>a big state school with hundreds of students per class
That description is accurate for Berkeley.

>>11006444
I went to a smaller school where the professors would hand mark your submissions. They would print out your whole program and provide feedback on errors and style, not just the output.

>>11006331
>legally prescribed stimulants are the only things i find comforting these days, but i tend to take 1.5-2x my prescribed dose when i'm stressed and that leaves me without for 1-2 weeks before my refill is due.

I want to stop but at the same it makes me so impressively productive

>>11005229
>https://www.glassdoor.com/Intern-Salary/Microsoft-Redmond-Internship-Salary-EI_IE1651.0,9_IL.10,17_IC1150499.htm

>A intern there earns as much (actually more because the purchasing power is bigger) as senior developer here in brazil with ~7 years of experience

literally fuck this country and fuck my life

>>11006488
That sounds nice. I had to send 3 emails to get a T.A to give me my extra credit they didn't give me for an assignment in data structures. I got a B+ in the class because I was in a rush and didn't check if the final project compiled on the server. I assumed since I was using the same version of C++ on fedora ( the server is centos) that it would compile. It didn't and I only got credit for the documentation and algorithm analysis. If those weren't part of the grade I would have got a C+.

>>11006488
I honestly prefer this. I hate electronic hw submission. For math CS or Econ or any class.

>>11006003
>having to learn how to use an API

just read the docs and write the code you fucking retard

>>11006522
Why don’t you apply? Or move? If you pass the four interviews you will be hired. They prefer h1b anyway because they can abuse you more.

>>11005888
>>11005914
>>11005924
Don't do it.
How old are you?

>>11005924
I know that feeling. I felt it first at 10 (at least that is when I first opened my mouth about it). The absolute hopelesness, the crushing feeling of disappointing others etc. etc. With age, some of the stuff got better, and with therapy, it went way better. Nowadays I am able to tell a depressive thought from a real one, which helps me to prepare for depressive episodes. Some I can even prevent from happening.

Much talk, what I mean is: 1) Get help. For you and everyone around you. What you have is healable. 2) You are not alone with your feelings. That is just another line that your brain on depression tells you. All the best anon!

>>11003419
Learning Science is for people too stupid to do actual Science.

>>11006331
Oh I see. I would still encourage you to try again, some things work differently as an adult. Also make sure to avoid the psychoanalysis school and seek the behavior therapist school. They have a very scientific, hands-on approach. If they just blurted motivational quotes, they would not have been of use. They are to treat that ill organ you have called brain, and the good ones should know how to test their success.
Stimulants: Yeah, funnily I noticed the same effect. I think getting proper medication would be good tho; i have seen it do wonders in my mother and sister.

oof iam a stupid moron who cant even do programming course at uni levels, while still being intrested. They higher on experiance though right? right...
Please right?........

>>11006868
Eh I much prefer reading from books but my class was entirely “online based” despite being at a irl university. I found I did much better after reading a general history about computer science (how it developed out of logic and math and Turing) and took a class on computability (where we did proofs and constructed a Turing machine). CS and programming became much more interesting for me after this. Also a lot of kids come in with a lot of programming experience. It is worth it to spend your summers taking prepping so you don’t feel totally out of touch on day 1

>>11006878
I am at a college which almost soley focuses on working as a developer of applications(not just programming but also how to process a clients request and take propper orders) and I am ahead of my class by what I like to think quite alot(I made a canvas with mysql database to make a online drawing bad, meanwhile the rest is still figuring out CSS/HTML) but its overall avrage to low level ed. I wont be working at major company probably but atleast ill prop get a job

Agreed. That's why I did computer engineering :^)

>>11006686
I'll. Also IDGAF about being ""abused" for some time.
People not long ago fought in wars, travelled oceans, were enslaved etc...
Working for a while with lower wages than a native is no problem

>>11006939
>abused
Just means they make you work a lot (while paying you a lot). The Americans want to work less (while making a lot), while the H1b don’t mind working more.

Btw the work is really variable. Some days you just hit your meetings (one-on-ones or biweekly team) and bounce, working from a cafe or somewhere else on campus or from home. Other days it can be stay till 9pm, if you’re a manager you need to push the product so whatever it takes you do. Obviously while making a lot of money.

>>11003886
Found the incel

>>11006896
My school (Berkeley) was very much conceptually focused on teaching CS as a science “of abstraction and problem solving” and not on teaching “developer” skills (except for one upper division class called “software engineering” and a rotating series of low division courses on various languages alone) but I couldn’t feel motivated until I read these two books
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/299652.The_Universal_Computer#

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1556746.Computability_and_Logic

These “grounded” CS for me in a wider intellectual context and made me feel like I was learning something that grew out of logic/math/philosophy as a special way of solving problems. Otherwise I get really confused about basic things about the foundations... but once I had this figured out I could feel excited about learning more.

Some of this was covered in later theory of computing upper division classes but I needed to know it to go through intro CS and feel a sense of direction.

You were just expected to be masterful at developer skills at Berkeley all on your own. You were supposed to be finding personal projects to do on the side all the time and to advertise yourself via a personal blog, have a passion project or something and join a bunch of clubs.

This was the main “developer” class.
https://www2.eecs.berkeley.edu/Courses/CS169/

And this on “programming languages”
https://www2.eecs.berkeley.edu/Courses/CS164/

And this was my favorite class
https://www2.eecs.berkeley.edu/Courses/EECS149/
The class project was building a robotic “embedded system”.

>>11003419
What do you guys think about CIS?Will I be able to find a job about 3 years from now? Thinking of transferring to CyberSec since CS students have to take way too much physics and math for me so that's out of the question

>>11007030
Sure. A lot of these depend on your school’s specific history and flavor. We don’t have CIS at Berkeley. We have “data science” and “computer science” as separate majors. I guess I would want to know you can work as a developer and have a good track record of implemented projects. If you can pass code interviews, team interviews, a team interview and two one-on-ones you can get a job in any FAANGM or startup in Silicon Valley.

>>11007030
You should take as much math as you possibly can if you want to be successful as a programmer especially long term. Languages fall in and out of favor but fundamentals will remain more or less the same so you want a great foundation in computation/math/physics.

So your standard FAANG+M interview for brand new hire is about 4interviews all with code tests and examples. If you come recommended you can skip a couple of these. It depends on your experience level too.

If you can't write software you're like someone who can't use tools. Braggung that you can't program is incredibly brainlet tier behavior
t. physicist

>>11007050
I only have Calc 1 and Principles of Probability as requirements and Linear Algebra,Numerical Analysis, and Statistics as elective
You have to take into account that I'm in a 3rd world Arab country and the professors probably aren't even that good
Pretty much the same shit math-wise if I switch to CyberSec in the same Uni, but I'm afraid of being stuck in something too limited and focused
on the other hand I'll be on the first graduates ever in this country with that degree so that might help my chances of getting a job

>>11007083
That’s good and it’s a bare minimum. Third world countries are usually not bad in teaching math, we get a lot of grad students from third world countries like Arab countries or India or turkey or Iran.

I recommend pursuing more math take a couple of applied math electives and definitely take up to calc3. More linear algebra and proof writing can be good too.

>>11007083
Cyber security is a sub specialization in my opinion. It is a little weird to study it on its own at the undergrad level. How well can they teach it? People I know who work in cyber security have a background in advanced math. Can you double major with cyber security and math?

>>11007090
>Cyber security is a sub specialization
I completely agree with that, I just think that the novelty of it being all new and stuff will help me get hired not too long after graduating,YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT the mentality of a nation with an average IQ of <90....

>>11007095
You could be right in that it is a newer field and maybe warrants differentiation. But be sure to develop core CS competencies too. Third world countries are fairly decent at basic science AFAIK, might not have cutting edge new research or expensive labs but they can teach math/physics from textbooks just fine. Do you want to work in your country or go abroad?

>>11006507

i feel like i'd be more productive if my baseline wasn't a state of interminable despair and dysphoria. stims are nice but they can only pick up so much psychological slack.

>>11007102
I'm gonna try my luck at getting a master's scholarship to some foreign school right after I finish my bachelor's and hopefully get hired abroad that way
If I do cyber security I have a good chance of scoring some cushy government job that obviously wont pay as good as some startup in the U.S for example, but it will still do until I can branch off to something else

>>11006522

be thankful you don't have to deal with hordes of foreigners who all want a piece of you

>>11003419
i'm in ""real"" science and the people are, on average, very very stupid

>>11007111
Will your government fund your masters? I know some countries do that because we get masters students who are being sent over for 2 years and then go back. Obviously if you don’t plan on staying there long term it would make sense to just apply on your own and get a job through that program at a recruitment event or through a professor (which is definitely doable).

>>11006635

after many years as a compsci major i have come to an inescapable conclusion...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcbXCMvpmWo

>>11003896
>>>11003419
>I agree with this man, I think that there is definitely not enough emphasis on mathematics in CS and that there are a lot of codemonkeys.

but really, shut the fuck up you little bitch with your part whole fallacy and suck my nuts.

>>11007126
No they won't, if I wanna continue my academic pursuit any further I'll have to pick one of these 3:-
A-work my ass off and have my school performance suffer as a result(or just work and save up for a while and study later, which would mean I'd have to waste even more years living not as comfortably as I would like)
B-do really good in school and try to get any sort of scholarship
C-have my dad sell some piece of land which although is ultimately meaningless, hold tremendous sentimental value to me and it will most likely be sold to some immigrant(this is the worst outcome)
see the problem with all of these is that I don't expect this country to last too long at this point because of multiple reasons which we are on the wrong board to discuss (I'm Jordanian)

>>11003702
>>11003926

Interestingly...
https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market/college-labor-market_compare-majors.html
CS with 4.7% unemployment and 23.5% underemployment rate

A computer scientist should really be a specialized applied math major. Ideal programmer studied Applied Math or Physics in addition to “computer science” because the quality of CS varies widely and many programs are training useless coders who can’t adapt or change tact if needed.

I'm a math major at a no name state uni, about to graduate and I got a job lined up doing software, 70k salary. Pretty much the only programming experience I have is Google Summer of code.

What's funny is that people at my school taking CS1 complained that finding the area of a sector/segment (circle) was too mathy (for a homework assignment where you could just Google the formula)

>>11006828

idk man. at this point i know what works and what doesn't. it's just hard to see things working out well, i don't know if i have it in me.

>>11007139

this. it's sort of ridiculous how some universities won't even eat their own dog food; the grad programs don't often enroll undergrads from the same country, much less the same uni

>>11003886
>t. CSlet
Like pottery

>>11007156
People are such brainlets that they can’t remember the circle area formula, that’s why.

do electrical engineering or computer science if you want to make money. real sciences is only if you genuinely like researching your subject because you will have to go to grad school to get a real job in your field.

>>11007857
Why is EE and CS paired up together? What is EE even?

I'm in my final year as an App Development major in Ohio and holy shit am I fucking stressed just reading this thread.

I always feels unprepared for landing that big boy job.

>>11003506
>150k salary + 50k bonus + 100k vested stock over 5 years.
>That’s for a new fresh graduate first job.
Nah

>>11003463
as a math major this is cringe

>>11007861
Electrical engineering primarily focuses on the development of physical systems (power, signal processing, etc..) however most universities also blend computer hardware into electrical engineering so these programs also teach embedded systems, logical systems, pcb design etc.
At purdue (my alma mater) we didn't have just an EE program it was Electrical Computer Engineering as so many students were studying and graduating with significant experience with embedded systems and chip designs
The CS department hated us because we stole all their research grants, turns out when you can apply software to a physical project it tends to attract more interest

>>11003419
Been here for quite a while and I never got this meme. From the few comp sci books I opened in my life I´ve seen that they are quite math heavy.

Am I wrong?

>>11007925
It is if you graduate from a top school with good grades though.

And yet here you are reaping the benefits of their labor. Ironic isn't it?

I went for informational systems and a friend of mine went for software engineering, we have decent paying jobs and life is good

>>11007137
Well then my man, you'd have to do B. Your knowledge is the only thing that can help you in such fucked times anyways, at least if you're not rich.

>engineering

>>11003419
You only need an IQ of around 115 to competently learn any job. Real human being starts at 140. People don't try to get hard degrees because it's tedious. Working hard is a boomer meme and for people with a shit life who are hoping it will get better later. Everyone becomes a teacher because the pay is decent and it's easy an easy as fuck job both to do and to get.

>>11003419
B-but I'm a computer engineer...

I'm so confused

>>11003956

But will the 21st century worker rise up and seize the means of information?

>>11007985
>The CS department hated us because we stole all their research grants
Based

>>11008015
>Am I wrong?
No. Never fall for /sci/ memes.

>>11009762
Id try to run doom on a quantum computer but it "probably" wouldn't work.

>>11006003
do you enjoy smashing rocks open with a hammer all day long and then having to name and define said rocks down to the minutiae? thought not
t. geologist

>>11003956
What the fuck do I do then?
If I say I want to get into liberal arts people say it's a bad decision, if I try to follow money I get told stuff like this.

>>11004699
How to get good at leetcode?

I'm from India. Do I have any hope of getting EECS Berkeley?

>>11011709
Stay in your lane.

>>11003702
>I wonder why is that?
Because all work is with a computer

>>11003419
Yes yes goy keep thinking that.

>le me so esoteric so smart mmm
> i c-cant dd-derive you the remainder from a tt-taylor formula. I can show u your arsehole converge on an interval mmm.
> j’adore le abstract concept ooo Gordel theorem
> haha he needs le calculatrice haha plug and chug
> mathematiques est la vérité absolue.
Op mad cuz I steal or yo pussy.

>>11003419
For anyone coming to this thread who is currently an undergrad in CS, keep your passion and fuck this guy
I work with physicists, engineers, and actual practicing scientist with many papers published.
The fact is, they need us. They cannot code for shit, they don't know simple open source hardware. So much so, they are considering hiring a full time Computer scientist.
I am current an undergrad in CS at a fucking community college. I am working on V2 of a 528 position relay to replace an expensive and outdated Kiethley switching instrument. Using a nema motor, two solenoids, and trigonometry.
Can you do that OP? We CS fucks use the same problem solving skills.
This statement could be said about any two profession. Just because someone hurt your feelings doesn't mean an entire profession is wrong

>>11007985
>EE
>The CS department hated us because we stole all their research grants
That uni's CS research grants must have been dogshit then.

If you study any STEM degree in order to "get a job" you deserve a bullet to the head.
Anyone who studies STEM should be squarely focused on going to graduate school to do research and further the field. If you don't have the spirit of an academic you don't deserve to be here.

>>11012216
That's a pretty elaborate way of saying your parents will maintain you all your life

>>11012221
the job is incidental.

>>11012221
elaborate way , yes.
True ? No doubt.

>>11003499
>no offers for math and science kiddos
Because they need a PhD (OR... graduate with a B.S in Math from Harvard/Princeton/MIT). I'm a Math PhD student and get emails every few weeks or so asking if I want to take up this or that company's offer.

cs official discord server
>7gVwUJ

>>11011768
utterly based

>>11003486
>It’s actually just for people who want to make a lot of money right away
This is what they actually think

HAHAHAHAHAHHA, Enjoy your cubicles and try to avoid suicidal thoughts, code monkey HAHAHAHAHAH

>>11004670
>Yeah, it seems like CS undergrad in the US is often mostly programming/software engineering.
Why is it everyone pulls this claim out of their ass but can never give legitimate proof for it?
For people who browse a science and math board, y'all are seriously lacking in critical thinking skills.

>>11003419
>cs hate thread
>thread devolves into people bitching and crying about their lives and crying that CS majors get paid too much
Well that explains the butthurt.
Envy.

>CS

[math]-1[/math]

>>11003921
Calm down shekelstein

>>11008015
>comp sci books
>math heavy

>>11012216
Have fun being a poorfag

>>11012833
That's not TacoP.

I've just started a computer science degree and this thread is upsetting desu

>>11012833
I dunno man, concrete math is rough. One might even say, __abrasive__ huehuehue

>>11003499
So what, it's not exclusive. As a maths student, you can just study CS on the side. You seriously think a company will be more impressed when they see a CS degree vs a maths degree on an applicant's resume?

Why do CS classes smell like curry?

>>11012661
Cubicles are based. You can just watch YouTube videos all day and switch tabs when a coworker comes in for a meeting. Take an hour or two for two shits a day and a three hour lunch.

>>11013104
The people who make these threads are the kinds of people who chose dead end majors like math or physics or electrical engineering. They can't find work in their dead end fields as such they take out their anger on CS majors who have a plethora of high paying job options.
To add insult to injury they claim they can do everything a CS major can yet they continuously fail in getting even the easiest software job.
As such their bitterness continuously builds up to the point where they lash out like children.

They can say all they want but the end result will remain the same. They will cry themselves to sleep filled with regret and envy while the CS major will be laughing all the way to the bank.
It's a good feel anon.
Come join us.

>>11013422
Eh, I don't know. It's true that you make a lot of money, but you also have to study 3/5 years with the company of monkeys just so you move on to work in a cubicle with no human contact. Not that it's any different with math/physics/eng but it's not a life that seems that appealing for someone who isn't autistic

>>11003419
CS majors don't even interested in their own field. Most of them crave for money.

>>11003997
>only a true schizoid will actually endure thousands upon thousands of legalese bullshit.
This, law school is one the biggest rip offs in education. You take on a quarter million dollar debt to go to a school that churns out about 1 jillion graduates per available job in the legal field. And if you're one of the few who actually does practice law, you can only get the positions that pay well right out of school if you went to a top-ranked school, were top of the class, and sucked everyone's dick while you were there. Most legal jobs are boring and are nothing like what they show on TV. And if you're one of the many who doesn't practice law, you're left with debt and a degree that's completely inapplicable outside of law. Thank fucking God I went against my parents' wishes for me to go to law school.

>>11016850
Funny thing is I had a friend who was a bio major that hated it.
It was so competitive because everyone wanted to be a doctor to the point where it was difficult to make friends since everyone just saw you as a potential challenger.
Meanwhile in CS there was no competition whatsoever. Everyone knew there was enough great jobs for everyone and for CS socializing and networking was the norm. Funny how it works.
What sucks is there's almost no women, but you can still look for some outside if you're confident enough. Its really not hard.

>>11003531
UMass Lowell anon here. Google is visiting my university for some reason.

>>11013190

>>11013422
>engineering
>dead-end
Not even an engineering major but come on this is ridiculous

>>11011992
How did you get that position anon? My profs could have a need from programming but how would I ever know?

>>11011992
Based

>>11007985
i'm west lafayette adjacent. what's up

>>11017864
>he doesn't know
Anon, engineering is a dead end meme.
Check out any engineering general or Google any engineering community. You'll find half the people bitching that they can't find work.
Most settle for technician jobs in the hopes they will one day get something

what's for people too stupid for CS?

>>11011695
do it for 5 hours every day after work for about 2 months

>>11019986
math, engineering, and the rest of sciences desu

>>11019986
psychology, philosophy, history, other liberal arts
>>11020490
cope.

>>11019986
The people at my school who fail the exam needed to be a cs major generally go IT

>>11019986
Unironically math.
It's the major for people who are too stupid for real science or any applied subject so they choose the easy cookie cutter generic field they think will make them look smart.
Instead they end up as teachers with delusions of grandeur.
See /sci/ for proof.

>>11020657
/thread
Never fall for /sci/ memes

>>11013162
I was going to do a CS degree at UIUC, but the requirements to transfer in were a lot more than I'd invest in courses, so I opted for a Math degree while wheeling and dealing my own projects, get involved in CS-centered student organizations, etc. I've outcompeted a lot of CS majors for internships to popular companies, and from a pure ROI perspective was the best decision I've made.

Right now I'm brushing up on EE (ASP/DSP), but ideally I'd like to get into Aerospace at some point.

>>11022086
was meant to quote
>>11003499

>>11020657
>>11022055
Lmao, you brainlets are just jealous of my $300k starting job prospects when I graduate (any job I want).

>>11020611
UCF?

>>11022055
Cringe stop giving "advice" and confusing people

>>11003493
jk bby, ily

Is there a reason to do CS over CpE?

CS is just software dev for people who are insecure about their intelligence, and prefer coding in C/C++/C#/Java because it looks more complex than python and makes them feel like a hacker. The actual meat of it, which is studying computation, is something none of them are interested in, they just want to hack for the nsa and make furry porn games

>>11003419

computer science bad
cs majors stupid

>>11023372
>mathematicians are being left in the dust by algorithms from the 90's and just sheer brute force

>>11022839
No.

>>11023372
>doesn't show checkP
>implying data scientists code in js

>>11022100
>>11022218
And so they appear from the shadows

>>11022839
Depends.
Do you want an in-depth education in CS or a half assed CS and half assed EE education?

>>11024579
a half assed EE education is unironically better than anything CS, you can easily learn the latter by yourself.

>>11023372
What is Coq
What is PVS

>>11006507
they're gonna end up really hurting you anon or you'll eventually try other drugs and its not worth the neurotoxicity, try to stop if you can.

I'll be lucky to make 6 digits even if I go get a PhD fuck microbiology. At least I can contribute to human health and research cool things lel fuck my life

>>11006507
>>11007108

You could take a vacation and go detox somewhere. You might notice a positive change in your life.

I love you anon!

>>11024590
>cope
Even a full EE education doesn't compare to CS. EE is the weakest part of a CE education. Hell a half assed CS education is worth more than EE. Half assed CS will at least get you a job.

The fact is most STEM majors (except bio) can learn anything from any other STEM major. It's undergrad. No one is impressed by it.
What does happen is you learn things half assed. So what you think is "understanding CS" is actually a half assed understanding that will always make you a lackey taking orders from the CS Chad.
Enjoy learning another field half assed because your field was a dead end. Enjoy being a code monkey and being our bitch :^)

can somone describe me the kind of people that post on this thread? Please do not give details about their smell

>>11003419
CS major here, The salt of math majors subsist me

>>11023372
Top panel: What I do in compsci
Bottom panel: What I also do in compsci

>>11024603
gay virgin shit

>>11003463
CS is actually math without the religion of (set theoretical) platonism.

>>11024855
It's not all math majors, only arrogant ones.

>>11025468
Know when to shut your mouth when you get proven an arrogant ignorasmus.

>>11017683
they visited my shitty SUNY state school earlier this month, that means nothing.

>>11025578
gay virgin

>>11007971
>Saying cringe in the current year 2019
Yikes

>majored in computer science
>unemployable
>feel robbed of an education
>only classes I liked were math

I got the worst of both worlds. I go to bed crying every night. Holy fuck I hate my life.

>>11011536
yes
I've actually done this . it is 100x better than CS work. holy fuck i regret my life

time to die

>>11003419
There is literally nothing wrong with CS.

>>11024855
Based
Poke at their insecurities for maximum seethe

>>11022215
Yeah, lol.

I'd been kicking myself for picking mechanical engineering instead of CS because I was interested in both. But the jobs are way more and better paying in CS

So apparently it's a good thing because I can learn CS on my own?

So far I'm as good as a first year CS guy

>>11027489
But first year CS guys are garbage. You’ll want to be at least a third year where real shit happens. Before that is just basics.

>>11007138
That is lower than almost everything except teaching though.

>>11013422
>The people who make these threads are the kinds of people who chose dead end majors like math or physics or electrical engineering.
they are self-taught neets who learned to solve fizzbuzz and think they are hot shit

When I was the equivalent of an undergraduate in my country what interested me in cs was hardware.
Unfortunately there is barely any job in this field and electronical major tend to take the most interesting/selecting ones so I want for software developement instead.

Crazy how ivy league freshman get 120k internships their first summer and I'm about to graduate from my shitty fucking faggot school after working my ass off for four years and couldn't get a single internship any summer and am now getting ghosted by HR Stacie's when applying for entry level codemonkey jobs.

I seriously wanna fucking kill myself

>>11026458
>majored in computer science
>unemployable
You definitely did something wrong

>>11012241
I bet they pay you garbage that is why they even ask you

>>11027489
you too, huh?
I ended up majoring in ME and getting a minor in CS, since I went to a brand-name school people still get their panties wet at seeing "CS" and "[school]" in the same line.
I'm jealous of what my friends who majored in CS make, but I'm not jealous of having to code for a living instead of for fun and of having to live in the Bay Area.

>>11028621
Actually quants/CS researchers make buttloads of cash at coorps. Esp in the UK. The competition is steep though.

>>11005149
What qualifies a uni as a target school, ranked top 50 in the nation? 25? 15?

>>11027489
wtf are you going on about? i live on the east coast and there are tons of ME jobs everywhere.

even people from shitty schools end up finding jobs easily.

i honestly think most ppl in here are lying about having engineering degrees or they live in the middle of nowhere.

>>11028521
You don't even need a CS degree to get a CS job. there are people without any college degree working CS jobs.

honestly, you're a retard if you major in CS. too many people with coding skills are competing for the same jobs and there are tons of jobs being outsourced.

>>11030576
>he thinks programming is the same thing as software developer/data scientist/etc.
You can get a shitty programming job without a CS degree but good look ever getting a decent software developing job without one. People who do CS don't want to do those shitty low paying hard working programming jobs from some shitty startup that might not be there next month. We instead let you dogs take them while your over inflated egos keep you from seeing how shit of a job you're working on. Meanwhile we take the actual good software development jobs. Feels good man.

>>11030576
Some of us are actually going into fields that require you to know stuff (universities, computational physics labs, ML research, etc.). Not everyone wants to remain a brainlet like you and work a joyless 9-5 job.
>>11030663
>he thinks programming is the same thing as software developer/data scientist/etc.
this

>>11030663
>>11030781

no one wants to hire CS majors unless they can't find anybody else.

CS majors are retarded and employers know that. physics, math and engineering majors do a much better job at data science and all those other sophisticated jobs you're talking about.

>>11031975
From bad schools, probably.
From good schools it doesn’t matter.

If I is the intelligence of OP then[math]\sum{I}=0[\math]

>>11003419
I wish I had done CS instead of washing these stupid glasswares in this stupid lab.

[math]\sum{I}[/math]

>>11032247
What are you in for? Chemistry?

>>11003486
i left cs for ee after realizing this

>>11031975
Yes anon, that's why all those job listings from top companies like Google and Amazon explicitly state they want CS majors. Because they really only want math majors.
top kek how delusional can you get.
Enjoy your shitty programming job at a startup that won't be there in a month :)

>>11013162
Anon, I’m in math and CS as a double major - companies don’t give shit so long as you have projects, experience, and a reasonable amount of rigor in your program. Math is not something that is valued out of a bachelors like CS is just because of practicum. If you think companies are somehow more wowed by your ability to prove that esoteric metric spaces are compact, then you’re wrong lmao. This is of course fairly tragic because I like analysis and theoretical CS, both of which are best studied in academia

Also one can “study CS” on the side in the capacity of doing projects and getting basic knowledge, but studying CS is just an exercise in solving hard problems. It’s so easy to double major and go for the hard theory courses if your uni is decent.

>>11032944
They don't explicitly state that. You're just spouting bs. Google is known for having a lot of people from non cs backgrounds in software development roles. Here's what I found in minimum requirements for Google:
>Minimum qualifications:
>BS degree in Computer Science, similar technical field of study or equivalent practical experience.

>>11031975
>CS majors are retarded
I agree with this premise
>physics, math and engineering majors do a much better job
Except they don’t LOL. The hilarious part is that none of these majors, on average, can actually proceed through with the easiest set of interview questions. CS undergrads aren’t much better, but engineering curricula teach you way more about having a toolkit of readymade math to apply to problems rather than to sit down and solve them out. I’ve seen physics kiddies blown out after they can’t reason their way out of a basic graph problem because the problem extends beyond their familiarity, and physics undergrads have the bad engineering habit of treating integrals and differentials like they’re the only type of math that matters. Math majors often come closest or match what’s needed, but they also have a massive inability to see that solving problems in industry comes down to solving problems that have no major benefits from formalizing them. That is, they tend to lack organization and teamwork skills. Now, CS majors aren’t much better in any of these categories - often they aren’t, but we should stop pretending like any single stem major has a strong grasp on software development as a field over CS students because the truth is that everyone likes to act like hot shit before they have you bust out the whiteboard and solve with proof in the interview room. Yes, entry level software positions don’t ask much for brainpower, but it we’re talking cream of the crop jobs, being able to solve problems under pressure is a staple of those interviews.

I will say, the subset of tryhard math/CS and math/phys double majors who do all the honors stuff are people who I feel are getting a “complete” degree. Those tracks complement each other very very well, and you can now groan and moan about having as much work as an engineering major, if not more. At least, my homework sets in both majors tend to keep me up longer than my engineering friends

>>11003419
Lol there’s a major difference between CS majors doing a degree for a codemonkey job and CS majors who are research lads doing computational topology, graphics, etc, etc. Theres a reason why CS majors from all walks and subdisciplines are in ridiculously high demand. Take a look at the Stanford graphics group page for their work. Look at any theory groups. Yes codemonkeys are stupid, but can we stop pretending that CS = codemonkeying now, or can we at least stop pretending to hate something that has active nontrivial research presence in stem?

>>11024855
I'm a math major and this is thread is laughable. The two fields (CS and maths) are perfectly compatible and frequently borrow ideas from one another. I have the suspicion that the people actually hating on CS are those from low rank unis who started regretting their decision to study Maths because they know what the future will look like for them. As I'm studying in a top 5 uni in the world, this is not an issue for me.

>>11034036
>Try hards that do all the honors stuff
Hey that's me!

>>11034199
Hey anon don’t worry, that’s me too

>>11031975
Why are so many CS majors getting hired directly out of college? Why do they comprise so much of the software world, even in the highest positions?

>>11003515
>>11003506
Is this Bachelors or Masters?

>>11034800
It’s an exaggeration. It’s not uncommon for CS/EECS to break 6 figures at the entry position (think around 95k plus bonus in cryptography, HPC, etc), but 150k is basically only financial sector money with appropriate experience, as far as early level / near entry level goes.

>>11013422
This
t. doing math major while onsifering doing cs on my last year so i dont have to deal with the college commies and dont stsrve to death

>>11027320
Except for the toddler level coursework

>>11013422
>>11035146
Those fields aren’t dead ends, but I do agree that it’s the bitterness of choosing a path with barrier to entry and seeing those who have much easier access to a high salary. I’m one of the above anons doing a double major in math and CS. I really do think it’s
1) the rest of stem barely knows the subfields of CS or what it entails
2) they mistake the field emerging from the math and physics departments in the 70s as “any researcher in those fields can do CS research.” You can contribute to any field you please given time - but CS has grown ridiculously to the point where you can’t really have a group of other researchers “bestow” insight. At this point, research is highly nontrivial
3) poor, grant based academic CS research exists in spades - not everyone is in it for the cash
4) your intro courses into programming and basic architecture do not comprise what CS “is.” If you seek out nontrivial undergrad CS, you will find it (provided you don’t go to a toilet of a school)

>>11035193
I agree that CS majors struggling with basic induction is stupid, but I really wouldn’t call optimized cases of graph isomorphism “toddler’s work.” That was just one part of an algorithms class in undergrad. The problem is that when you have a lot of people in the major, you have to do one of a few options
1) drop everyone who doesn’t have a base level of competency
2) make your program easier
3) make unofficial tracks that give worse students an out, but make required classes easier so they can pass and give you money

The problem is that CS programs choose 3. So if you wanna take complexity, compiler theory, and randomized algorithms where they don’t hold back on analysis, most schools will oblige, but most students will fuck off into a 3rd semester of codemonkeying in Python instead. It’s a shame, but it’s easily remedied by taking a double major in math and taking the big dick CS classes

>>11003486
Exactly, which is why CS is completely filled to the brim with passionless lardasses and why employers have to waste so much fucking time with scheduling interviews for them to be fizzbuzz'ed.

Also, >>11013276 is not hyperbole but what happens when one slips through the cracks and gets hired (usually because of quotas). The worst thing is not them being paid while they do no work, but when they do "do work" and the horrible code commits that fuck everything up.

>>11032198
yeah yeah yeah, with the exception of maybe top 25 schools, CS majors are retarded everywhere

>>11035444
Then why is this true: >>11034793 ? I agree that you that CS majors are dumb, but I propose they are no dumber than your average stem student going into the workforce in any meaningful way.

>>11035244
>scheduling interviews for them to be fizzbuzz'ed.
How could anybody with the qualifications to get to the interview stage even fail a fizzbuzz test? It can literally be done in 1 minute on a calculator

>>11013422
>Doing CS right now instead of math because of this
I regret it often, but I know I'd regret the other way around more

>>11017656
>but you can still look for some outside if you're confident enough
clubs, basically
joining a club is probably the easiest way to meet women, from that point on it's just a matter of picking out the one you like and wooing her
you gotta move fast though, your best option is freshmen (freshwomen?) at the beginning of the fall semester
college life corrupts girls really fucking quick, if you don't lock them down fast they'll be taken for a ride and soiled before you get anywhere close

>>11009762
Comic not at all accurate

>>11011992
This is more programming and implementation than CS. CS researchers do the actual math and science as well - the citations don’t lie

>>11012037
I’ve legitimately never heard of any EE department getting loads more funding than CS. CS research grants are fat and take care of you. Hell, systems CS researchers and many EE researchers tend to use grants more or less in the same way

>>11012833
>sipser
Sipser is really easy but informative, and it prepares you for really hard stuff in recursive theory. Good reference book, super clear explanations so that when you get to terser texts about TM’s (like Arora and barak’s book), you have a good resource to fall back on
>CLRS
CLRS has a lot of good nontrivial problems past the initial chapters. It’s not as easy as it looks - especially since the best algorithms come down to looking at the basic facts in a very clever way. So understanding the content might be easy, but actually using it to prove correctness or bounds, or to devise nontrivial solutions with it is similar to how I was able to read any chapter in Rudin and understand most of the content as a passive reader, but the problems took me a while to get through.
>Concrete math
Everything from chapter 5 onward contains hard problems in number theory, combinatorics, and analysis - and it’s supposed to be a sophomore level text (at least I think it should be). I dunno what you’re on about anon.

>>11012216
Dude I wanna do research, and I’ve known I wanna do research since forever, but you cannot begrudge people for having different interests within the same subject. Quite frankly, just because someone wants to go into industry doesn’t mean their interest in stem - be it engineering, physics, chemistry, etc - is somehow invalidated. They have their priorities and career goals, and you have yours. Anything else you might have in your head is unwarranted self importance and self aggrandizing thoughts

>>11033983
Yeah, the minimum qualification is a CS degree.
Math doesn't even make the minimum requirement.
Again, enjoy that shitty startup job.

>>11012216
When there is a way to do research that doesn't involve working at a kike university to write for a kike journal, I'll be interested

>>11037002
I’ve seen math majors in places. It’s just that they don’t have any particular advantages against CS majors - nobody has been able to refute that CS majors have a lot of really good opportunities in hard to obtain jobs
>>11037033
The anon you’re talking to is stupid, but
>muh Jewish academic cabal
needs to die, especially since CS academia is way more Indian and Chinese than it is Jewish

>>11037002
It's not, retard. Can't you read?
>similar technical field of study or equivalent practical experience.

is this the math teacher general?

from my experience, math and programming complement each other very well, however i have to admit, it feels like programming is basically using things without knowing why they are true

>>11037523
I mean that’s why you do books in CS like concrete mathematics and analytic combinatorics, so you know your big brain solutions actually work. Even though math is interesting for its own sake, there’s a practicum in math that I feel you should look into if you really care about the correctness of nontrivial results

isn't programming, like, virtual engineering?

>>11037824
Software engineering is a subset of software development. The problem is that the industry doesn't separate technician's work to get basic frontend work done and actual software engineering - so you'll have a lot of subpar programmers who work on the most basic web solutions calling themselves engineers, meanwhile cryptosystem designers, systems and OS designers, and people in HPC who do the actual engineering work tend to get their title diluted in with literal idiots. CS and programming are two different entities entirely

>>11007156
Do you plan to go back to graduate school? I can't imagine a career where you will end up hating your coworkers for being normies.

>>11037916
Maybe. I may choose to self educate instead. Gonna work for some time first. I'm not very hateful. Plus I am looking forward to finally being able to get my own place, having money, more freedom, etc.

>>11003702
it's because we're currently on that thing called economic expansion (that is, right before a recession), so money flows to where it is not needed

>>11003892
desu Java, C++ and C have fairly similar syntax

>>11037350
So if they prefer math majors why do they explicitly ask for CS majors my low IQ friend?
Surely it would be
>BS degree in Math, similar technical field of study or equivalent practical experience.
Why is it not like that at all anon? Really makes you think. It's almost like they prefer CS majors or something.


>>11037127
I'm trying to get him seethe anon. No need to take it seriously.

>>11037379
Found the /g/ tourist

>>11007985
Sophomore comp E here in Lafayette, boiler up

Hello. I am in CS and I have a higher IQ than anyone in this thread.