/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10988408
It's gay

>>10988415
Gayness and transgenderism are different things

>>10988408
Chromosome abnormality. Look it up.

a mental illness that we have to pretend isnt a mental illness because feelings. its not unlike human race differences which we arent allowed to do objective scientific research on because it makes people cry.

>>10988502
Gender Dysphoria is real you moron

>>10988511
its a trend that'll be over in a generation or two

>>10988518
why?

>>10988518
Gender dysphoria IS real and it IS a mental illness.

>>10988570
Because you're already losing favor today. It was meme powered from the beginning.

>>10988581

doesn't really answer my question

>>10988579
virtually all individuals with GD report improved happiness and life satisfaction after transition, is there a more effective treatment you suggest?

>>10988586
Lies are finite.

>>10988597
once again doesn't answer my question, GD has been around for centuries. How is it just going to go away in 20 years?

>>10988598
>GD has been around for centuries
No it hasn't, but at least now we know what you're confused.

A transvestite is someone who dresses using garments that are traditionally worn by the other gender. NOTE: To have a tradition about which gender wears which clothes, you need to have a gendered society in the first place. See how this works? It can't not be a social construct.

Gender identity disorder is a new thing. Gender dysphoria is a symptom, and a non-ubiquitous one. It has nothing to do with crossdressing.

>>10988607
oh no no no

>>10988590
>is there a more effective treatment you suggest?
A bullet to the head.

>>10988408
It's fucking retarded, a mental illness. What's so bad about having a penis or vagina? If you weren't born in this era of social retardation you wouldn't even think about it twice and live on with your life.
People need to learn to accept their own bodies. Surgical procedures for transitioning are pure madness because a maimed body is worse than the original and as soon as they realize it, there come the regrets.

If it's just about sexual orientation, if one makes an effort they can choose what to get turned on by. It's just mental stuff that can be trained one way or around.
What matters is that you decide to be hetero, gay or bi. It's a choice, not something you have necessarily suffer passively.
Since there's a very weak genetic prod to the sexual orientation, one might just as well pick what they want to be and stop aggravating the whole population with inexistent issues and retarded victimism.

If you really want to be picky the true sexual orientation we're born with is perversion.
Yes, until you reach a certain age the only thing that can get you a hard on are random perverted thoughts, not sex. Because sexual attraction only starts being developed from 9 years and beyond.
Why are we innately perverted? That's out of scope but may be related to when we were simple lifeforms, maybe a drive to break and control and some other sutff picked along the way that doesn't translate well with our modern brains.
I personally started masturbating at 5-6 eyars old and I had no fucking idea of what sex was, only later in life I started appreciating tits and asses.
Because I have spent effort in working out how my mind works, I can literally turn off and on sexual urges, fetishes and whatever perversions.

If I can do this then everyone else can, it's just a matter of practice and effort.

>>10988607
What say you to other societies that have been recognising more than male/female gender identities for centuries?

>>10988408
mental illness, and the cure is the lead pill

>>10988807
They probably have words to describe it in their language, and like all words from sufficiently geographically separated cultures, they wouldn't translate very well to any other culture or context.

>>10988832
>They probably have words to describe it in their language
They do
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81h%C5%AB
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine

>and like all words from sufficiently geographically separated cultures, they wouldn't translate very well to any other culture or context.
What's your point? How gender roles differ between cultures is exactly what is examined in gender studies.

>>10988408
Similar condition in many respects to body integrity disorder or other body image disorders. The treatments and surgeries are about as useful as liposuction is for an anorexic, which is to say it isn't at all.

there isn't any
it's pure politics

It's a fetish, but treating AGP makes less money than transitioning.

>>10988807
>UHH the two genders aren't a real thing because there's an uncontacted tribe of amazonian pygmies who have a third gender for the males who are too pussy to put their dick in a nest of fire ants at their coming of age ceremony

>>10988419
Both stem from mental illness

>>10988590
>virtually all individuals with GD report improved happiness and life satisfaction after transition
HAHAHAHHAHHAAHAHH

>Believe in medical professionals and published literature
>Accept something I'm prejudice against

>Believe in what the people on 4chan tell me and whatever ad hoc rationale I can concoct
>Carry on as before and avoid any mental anguish
Nice try but you can't just pick and choose what bits of science you believe in just to appease your emotions

>>10989152
>Based and redpilled conservative DESTROYS strawman with FACTS and LOGIC

>>10989193
OK please describe a scientific experiment that shows that there exists such an ontological absurdity as a "man trapped in a woman's body".

>>10988408
>What's the actual science on transgenderism and gender dysphoria?
None.

>>10988408
It's really quite sad to me.

They needed help learning to accept themselves and instead they got people helping to change them.

It's all a business. From war to trannies, if it makes a dollar then people will find a way make it seem like the right thing.

>>10988590
I'm sure schizos are happier when their delusions are enabled as well. Does that mean we should enable them?

>>10988807
Example? I didn't realize humans had a third sex with a separate gender role to represent it.

>>10988408
There's no actual science in it, as there is no actual science in any other sensitive subject. Just mentioning the possibility of transgenderism being the result of a psychological disorder in your research would cause massive public rage, so everyone just ignores it and says "lol it's totally normal behavior". I'm not saying that transgenderism is a mental illness, by the way, I'm just saying that the mainstream opinion on this matter in academia is not the result of rigorous scientific analysis

>>10988408
Celibate
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0265407518779139

>>10989169
>retorts a claim that something has improved with a single data point

Ah, a fellow gigabrain poster.

Transgenderism is what happens when vulnerable mentally ill cumbrains coomers have such an extreme fetish that they are willing to take pills and cut their cock off in search of a better coom. It is the pinnacle of degeneracy.

>>10988408
Legitimate mental illness that is abused by people with a political agenda.

>>10989365
Yes. If someone thinks they are a defender of the planet Zatar and must eat chicken heads and drink the blood of infants in order to save the world from anal anal rape implant time machine using lizards we should do what they say because everyone is equal and their needs are important.

>>10988590
is that why they kill themselves?

>>10989529
That's all I need

>>10989554
no they kill themselves because of patriarchal systems of oppression

>>10989589

Which has not gone down from when we were a literal hard patriarchy even though people are forced to call them brave and stunning now?

>>10988408
in the future they call it autistic gender spectrum
t. time traveller

>>10988590
If it wasn't mental illness, you wouldn't need treatment

>>10989615
Until all politicians, police, military, judges, lawyers, doctors are LGBTQP+, the patriarchy will not be abolished.

>>10988408
mental illness

>>10988648
this. a more pretty term is a lobotomy

>>10989589
>>10989716
kek, heres your (You)

>>10988796
>If I can do this then everyone else can
Dangerous thinking, but I agree on most of your post. What really boggles my mind is why can't tomboys and tomgirls fill in the gaps? Literally mutilating your body sounds like a much worse idea than simply becoming a boyish girl for example.

>>10989500
on a side note, why is that diagram so fucking pleasant looking? Any clue on how they make it look like that?

>>10989618
In the deep future people will be able to actually swap out their gender and there will still be transexuals.
People who actually identifies as being someone whining about how they don't have the right set of hardware between their legs.

In fact there will be people who identify as such a person that got the gender they felt like they wanted to have by nature,
but they ended up swapping to the wrong one just so they could be trans.

>>10989782
rewind 20,000 years
>We need to make it obvious if low-status males are screwing around

>>10988860
those are both just men who want to act like women.

is "tomboy" a third gender because they are girls who act like boys? no. we call them tomboys because its a useful distinction, not because we really beleive they are wholly separate from girls.

gender dysphoria was a fad that is already beginning to dissapear., because leftist and jew psychologists are trigger happy to encourage it at every turn.

now go dilate.

>>10988570
Because when the Chinese and Muslims are in total power they will be far less kind to gays than whites have been

>>10990227
See? Eugenics doesn't have to be forceful. It should be voluntary.

>>10989766
yeah. looks like they used three colors, kind of a pale yellow, white, dark gray.
they put the title in big fucking centered words at the top.
listed the authors and other information.
put a two yellow lines to separate the titles from the rest of the information. they made a yellow circle with a number in it that lead into the white paragraph, with the numbers in yellow.
they put another horizontal bar
they use a vertical bar to separate more information side by side, with people with crosses on them and more information on the left. A graph and info on the right.
another horizontal yellow bar.
a yellow bar graph with a yellow title, with labels. another horizontal yellow bar.
more info and some icons relevant to the text next to it.
and the whole thing is boxed in some yellow box lines, two exactly.
you're welcome.

>>10989716

So the patriarchy isn't a vast conspiracy to privelage men at the expense of women.

Learn something new every day.

>>10989500
note: that * at the bottom doesn't indicate that a hetero man dating a trans woman would be fitting his sexual identity... MAHPATRIARCHY

>>10988408
It is this: that all people who have this mental illness are really, really annoying and that absolutely NO effort, money, or time should be going into examining or inquiring about these "people".

>>10989578
>has no arguments, just memes and feefees

EZ

>>10989111
To add to this vein, the prominence of the noise is mostly because this group hitched itself to a loud political faction. However, even now groups are organizing that differentiate L, G, and B, from T.

Especially due to the evidence that the latter group is way beyond the social delta of the others.

>>10990407
>Especially due to the evidence that the latter group is way beyond the social delta of the others
In other words, trying to mime not one but tens of stereotypes are hilariously off-base. These factors have been recognized for a very long time, and generally the negatives have been ignored. After all, who gives a shit?

Remember the compliance in New England generally? Below 5%.

>>10990407
>social delta
wats that

>>10989782
Social retards like this will always exist. Wear a fucking skirt and masturbate on cam if you want to, don't be surprised when people will think of you as a loser. Bullying is natural :)

>>10988408
Mental disorder.
Same as bulimia or anorexia.
Somehow the latter one are treated, while "fluctuating genders" not.

>>10988408
Moreover the suicide rates for transgender are skyrocketing.

>Among non-binary youth, 41.8 percent of respondents stated that they had attempted suicide at some point in their lives.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

>>10990530
They're not skyrocketing. They're high but if anything they're decreasing. Also, you're not looking at suicide rates, but lifetime attempts, where attempts are defined to include having suicidal thoughts.

>>10988607
I don't see what point you're trying to make. Did you know that in the 1300s they had 0 diagnosed cases of autism?

I think a large part of the problem is strong gender roles. Instead of being told that it's okay to like girly things, or God forbid other boys, the response is now "oh, you must be a girl on the inside".
This sort of thing happens during a very vulnerable period of someone's life when they're trying to find out who they are, and I daresay people try to capitalise on it. When I first started crossdressing people did try to make me question if it was anything more than that. It wasn't. Turns out I just like wearing skirts. People give me shit for not being supportive of the movement, but it stems from a very predatory personal experience, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone else.

>>10990576
As a very girly man, I second this. But I don't blame them. I imagine that if you are a tranner/chaser or a homo, you really don't have that many potential partners. Therefore it is in your best interest to turn as many people into homos in a tranners. Therefore I don't see it is as bad. It is only logical, and we are all playing the same game really. If someone can get you to cut your dick off and then you regret it, that's the same as getting convinced into buying a stock and then having it crash and regretting it.

Transsexuals
Transsexuals are four times more likely than the average person to be infected with HIV. Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40279043/ns/health-health_care/
About 88% of children who have gender dysphoria do not hold those beliefs when they grow older. Source: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90229789
Only 12% of boys who believe they are transsexuals still believe so when they are older. Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18194003
MRI scans indicate that MtF transsexuals are either men aroused by the thought of possessing female genitalia or homosexuals who want to seduce straight men. Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180619/
41% of transsexuals have tried and failed to commit suicide. Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40279043/ns/health-health_care/
Transsexuals who undergo sex reassignment surgery are more likely to commit suicide. Source: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
Most young transsexuals have committed self-harm within the last twelve months. Source: http://saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44
65% of transsexual youth have seriously considered suicide within the last year. Source: http://saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44
37% of transsexual youth have attempted suicide within the last year. Source: http://saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44
1 in 10 young transsexuals has attempted suicide more than three times in the last year. Source: http://saravyc.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2015/05/SARAVYC_Trans-Youth-Health-Report_EN_Final_Print.pdf#page=44

more http://archive.is/LRe05

>>10988408
They were either molested/raped as a child or they have "high mutational load"

>>10990598
I'm worried about the trend of liberals becoming more and more erratic in their posts, and /pol/ becoming more and more formal. It feels like we are in the Weimar republic. Tell it to me straight doctor, will I have to pretend to be antisemitic to survive when our Hitler comes? Or can we make a tactical alliance with Israel and take over the world?

transgenderism is just another back door eugenics plot designed to cull the gene pool of the mentally ill

>>10990398
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T BTFO MY ARGUMENT WITH ONE RESPONSE

>>10988408
Autogynephiles and repressed homosexuals.

>>10990564
Thanks anon for pointing it out.

>>10988424
I didn’t create this thread so I could look it up on my own

>>10988511
And literally classified as a mental illness. What's your point?

>>10988502
Gender Dysphoria exist, there are medicine consequences for pretending the opposite gender.

Females have a intelligence immune system for child caring and Males have a body for psychical performances. There are long studies with normal people, women with no children will likely get cancer. men will get circulatory problems If those are not cared the consequences will short the lifespan.

>>10991344
>>10991344
holy shit based.

It's mental illness including dysphoria which they like to use as a way to validate their mental illness and push it on others
Anything that says otherwise is social science/pseudo science horseshit
Simple as.

transgenderism is a actually a psychological buffer to the severing of the Id and the Ego during childhood, usually as a result of associating trauma with traditional gender roles (Freud-hermsk)

>>10992665
This. Like most problems in the era of autism, it can be attributed to parents cementing the symptoms of mental disorders by trying to abuse the mentality out of their children.

>>10988796
>a maimed body is worse than the original
Already circumcised, might as well fuck it up even more.

>>10991563
>Jaw bone: square shape and not sharp
Y-yeah...

It is a symptom of autism, autistic people are closer to animal state and are disassociated from the social constructs such as "Acting like a boy" and "Acting like a girl".
autists can see the reality, that the ideas of "acting like a boy" and "Acting like a girl" are just personalities and subcultures like being goth or emo, that happen to be traditionally linked with a biological sex. they can also see that the idea of what a boy or what a girl looks like is mostly based on grooming more than physiology (hair, clothes). While neurotypicals actually believe in spirits attached to boy and girl, and think boys and girls naturally look like what they were groomed to look like.

>>10988511
describe the biochemical mechanism.

>>10988807
well one day cavemen discovered hermaphrodites

>>10989782
Covering genitals is to protect them. Life is about reproduction, not niche gender related mental illnesses, so don't be surprised when society forms around this and not making people feel good.

>>10989111
this. we are doing something on the level of agreeing with a crazy person that, fine if you insist, there really MIGHT BE robots hiding inside of your chest cavity, and surgically opening them up to take pictures and tell them the robots are gone. Sure it will make them stop obsessing about the imaginary chest cavity robots for a while, but then, what if THEY GET RE-INOCULATED BY THE ROBOT ALIENS. its not curing the crazy, its mutilating someone's genitalia because theyre sick and they paid you to do it and doctors who perform this surgery are fucking sick.

>>10989373
them peoples that got the boobs and dicks, they come out that way, also clownfish

>>10989775
you do not just see the future, you UNDERSTAND the future

>>10990238
why did i read the whole thing lol

>>10990414
like imagine how most liberals feel about PETA

>>10990521
no its not. its a byproduct of modern social constructs where people are forced to interact with other people they dont like in a strict and structured basis, one feels the need to display primitive aggression behavior, but actual conflict is prevented by societal constraints. its a primitive antisocial behavior that is being both psychologically exacerbated but physically limited by modern social pressures.

>>10990592
>it is in your best interest to turn as many people into homos in a tranners. Therefore I don't see it is as bad
Gaslighting people until they become delusional and/or mutilate themselves is bad, my edgy friend.

>>10992892
>YOU are gaslighting people into thinking it's a disorder
>No, YOU are the gaslighter
Fuck off.

>>10988831
I think the only cure for sociopaths like you is jail.

>>10988511
yeah, its a real piece of shit, morty.

>>10992057
what about wtc 7

>>10989111
>>10989296
>>10989552
>>10988408
>dump estrogen from pharma and plastics into drinking water
>it affects the brain of a fetus and fucks them up permanently
>hurr durr its society because its a trend that started now
I would say that rather than being a mental illness, gender dysphoria actually is more akin to fetal alcohol syndrome or other environmentally induced birth defects. I personally had feelings about being the wrong gender at like 6 or 7 years old and it didnt stop since then, so the "its a fetish" argument atleast isn't universally true. Being a tranny is a fucking horrible experience that I wouldnt wish on my worst enemy, so the idea of it being a "societal trend" is somewhat absurd to me.
t. tranny

>>10992986
So... This is god's sense of humor.

>>10988408
It's a massive industry. Psychiatrists, surgeons, psychologists, and big pharma make huge profits convincing children and their gullible mothers to ruin their lives.

>>10989296
>if it makes a dollar then people will find a way make it seem like the right thing
This.
Even crack dealers come up with some moral rationalization for their activities.

Seems like a non issue to me. If it's a mental illness and transitioning is considered a treatment option then what's the issue?

Sure, you can be against it, but how hard is it to just say different pronouns, if you met some Greek dude name Stephanopoulos and he said, just call me Steve, no one cares, it's the same amount of effort for transgender folk.

Of course I'm on 4chan, and no one here has any sort of empathy so I'm aware that the majority opinion here for trans folks involves a noose, but I try to be as empathetic as possible. I cannot imagine how great of a burden it must be to legitimately feel like you are a man in a woman's body or vice versa. Combine that with a society that legitimately hates you, being tied to a movement that would much rather you shut the fuck up, and I can see how hard of a struggle it could be.

>>10989373
>I didn't realize humans had a third sex with a separate gender role to represent it.
That’s not what anyone believes or what gender studies says but here’s one example, they were mentioned earlier in the thread

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Māhū

>>10990227
They are both examples of men taking on gender roles within their society that were more associated with biological females.

Tomboyism in the west obviously isn’t exactly the same but it’s not a bad example of people’s biological sexuality not determining their gender role within their society.
>its a useful distinction
Exactly why gender studies studies gender roles as separate from biological sex, doing so is more useful for examining similar patterns within widely different societies

The mental illness of gender dysphoria isn’t taken by doctors to be the same as gender nonconformity though, only when individuals feel clinically significant stress do they get referred for psychotherapy and possibly surgery later if they don’t improve.

>blame the left and Jews and trivialise it to a fad
Whatever makes you feel better man

>>10988511
dilate

>>10992975
based

>>10989169
Nice try

>>10989296
Stonetoss is a Nazi

>>10988408
Its a mental illness and a deformity that is accepted in our fucked up society

Hot Take: Trans acceptance was inevitable the moment that male circumcision was accepted. They are both mutilation of genitalia purely for aesthetic reasons, under the guise of "mental health".

>>10995960
>circumcision is for aesthetic reasons
Poor take

>>10988796
>it's just about sexual orientation, if one makes an effort they can choose what to get turned on by.
Gay conversion therapy is proven NOT to work. You can't just change your mood of thought. If you like dick in your ass that'a what you like, you can't force yourself to like vagina, trust me on that one. The revent study on finding there wasn't a gay gene was good, but it doesn't mean the opposite "it's a choice" is true, it merely means we still do not know what exactly makes people be gay. If you ask a real gay person in a more restrictive society if they chose a life of hardship, they are not going to say yes.

>>10995785

>>10995785
>>10995785

>>10988511
yeah it's a real mental illness

>>10988570
Same reason why emos went away, I guess.
Depressive suicidal edgy kids who are very very outspoken about how different and introverted they are...
"It's not a phase mom this is who I am"
"You just don't understand the entire world hates me I want to DIE"

>>10988502
whether to classify it as a mental illness or not is a value judgement and not science

>>10988502
Go back to /pol/

>>10988408
Mental illness

>>10994731
>some obscure cultural phenomena
>clearly tied to religion and a way to cope for faggots bumming each other and wanting to distinguish them from normal men.
Yeah real solid evidence bud.

>>10992801
Humans are not clownfish. Were are several hundreds of millions of years separated by evolution from clownfish.

>>10994135
Seconding this. Also, the current hyperlib made-up genders thing that is 'pushed on you' in the media is distinct from people with clinical gender identity disorder. I know others who agree that we have a physiological/psychological illness of some sort induced by [complex causes] and treating it seems to be helpful. We don't 'force' it on anyone, we transition until we pass and then don't bring it up. When people meet me, I look and sound female, they assume I am female, there is no truffle shuffle pronoun forcing bullshit like your demiqueerotherkin tumblrinas. The new transtrender thing will blow over in a few years I hope. I'm fairly certain I have more problems with that sort of sjw than normal people do, because it personally affects me as it's assumed I throw my lot in with them.
t. other tranny

>>10996713
Why does being obscure to the Western world make it irrelevant? What’s your point that it’s tied to religion?

>>10988590
I'd be happier if everybody acknowledged the reality of the sky tentacles that I interface with when I take large doses of DPH.

>>10988807
What say to to providing citations to your claims?????

>>10995790
>everyone I disagree with is a nazi

>>10989775
maybe. I'm only from 2027

>stonetoss is a nazi
And? Nazis can be funny

>>10989296
>stonetoss

>>10996967
If I disagree with they because they endorse Nazi politics, yeah.

>>10992986
That one was an accident.

>>10997185
>everything I don't agree with is Nazi politics
just end yourself.

>>10997185
>endorse Nazi politics
well hopefully we don't end up in your 'perfect' world where nearly everything is a thought crime BB

>>10997239
>"hurr durr he's only a Nazi if he is a member of the NSDAP, libs owned"

Christ.

>>10996967
>>10997230
(you)

>>10996772
>distinct from people with clinical gender identity disorder
I agree anon. The phrase "There are only 2 genders" shouldn't be a problem, really. A trans person is still either a (trans) man, or a (trans) woman

>>10988408
Mental illness that isn't treated as one because reasons.

>>10997353
Its a joke m8

>social sciences aren’t real sciences reeeeeeee
>countless threads of endless discussion of social sciences
Which is it /sci/?

I'm convinced 4chan is a hive mind of borderline psychopaths trying to intellectually justify their superiority complexes.

Sissybois and butchdykes existed forever. But its a mental issue, there are only two biological genders (excluding genetic fuckups resulting in Herms)

>>10997560
Form-fitting degenerates perception of a dynamic process.

>>10989552
Whatever. Just because there should be certain boundaries to 'multigenderism', doesn't mean it couldn't have a good objective impact from a categorical structure for such a thing in psychology. Like genderqueer. People who are /mentally/ comfortable with either role. It's all a bridge from ttpically-noumenal to conceptual things themed in ... I guess I could say 'sets' of 'psychocognitive' generalities.

Though I admit, some people who claim this gender dysphoria are better categorized into other illnesses such as schizophrenia***which, in japan, is being called integration disorder for ontological reasons. **"...

Personally. If I had GD, I would line for futuristic biokenetic technology so my limits wouldn't stay in the range of human.... Crispr DNA sets potential for this maybe?

>>10997588
*Fake interdependency within said dynamic

>>10997618
Etymological* dammit. Not ontological.

>>10997618
>some people who claim this gender dysphoria are better categorized into other illnesses such as schizophrenia
One of the above trannies here, from the inside I can assure you 100% this is true. Obsssive-compulsive disorder has some weak old links to trans* thoughts, and there are clearly unironically asperger/autism people in the community./ I don't mean the sorta-socially-acceptable 4channer autism, I mean CWC type people who clearly have huge gaps in social understanding. There are also the actual hypersexual/fetishist/watched-too-much-anime types that are fairly common on this site and related communities. They all seem different from each other when you talk to them IRL. To the extreme sjw kind who just are making things up and claim you don't need body dysmoprphia to be trans I am a pariah for disagreeing with their bullshit. It's also hard to find a therapist these days who will admit to having told someone 'you might not be trans you just have autism' because of social pressures, though they have presented to me pros and cons of that and say they feel just letting anyone claim they're trans and start HRT is a path of least resistance. I figure that's why suicide rates are so high- unrealistic expectations and different types of crazies self-diagnosing.

>>10988502
>

>>10988408
It's simple:
Male
Female
Rare eunuchs and chromosomal abnormalities
The rest is just mental

>>10988511
Yes but it cannot negate the biological reality of said patient.
It is more psychological not inherently physically biological

>>10988518
You better hope so, at this rate in 15 years 80% of the population will become Manlet twinks penetrating each other’s buttholes & you’ll be outcasted & shamed for being straight

>>10988590
Detransitioning rates increase day by day
The leading world expert clinic on gender dysphoria was shutdown in Canada

>>10988807
Brilliant
Let's take India and South Asia in general
Hijray/Khusray (Slang terms) are recognised as THE thrid sex

Essentially you are a biological male, female or intersex/trans/anything else = Third Sex.

More interestingly if you ask intersex/trans communities in India and Pakistan what they wish, they merely ask for equal rights for their designated third sex; they rarely attempt to hijack another sex category or insist that they MUST be viewed in the biologically di-morphic catergories of male or female.
When they hear what is happening in the west they really cannot believe it.

Essentially, a south asian tranny would not insist that they are a biological woman.

>>10988807

>>10998024
What the fuck is wrong with you? So everyone that disageres with you is mental? You must be perfectly integrated into society, unlike those mental people

>kills 40% of the people it claims to want to help

>>10998024
This

>>10997496
This

>>10989552
>imagine agreeing with this unironically

>>10988597
Well, religion, heaven, hell etc. are still a thing. kek
>>10988579
lol, the fact that is classified as "DYSphoria" (which is the contrary of EUphoria) and not as a "Disease" prove that is not a "illness". Not even those who redact the DSM-V are sure about it, so stop spreading pseudoscience you fucking moron and wait for experts to make a official statement. Reading some shit over the internet doesn't qualify you in any way, brainlet

>>10988502
>pretend isnt a mental illness
but it is considered a mental illness
the most effective treatment so far is transitioning

>>10992789
You can protect your vagina with pants, you can protect your penis with a kilt.

>>10996212
>>10989169 doesn't include before and after either.

>>10995960
Male circumcision in babies and children is done because other people do it and because parents are pressured into it by doctors or religious leaders, essentially.
Male circumcision in adults almost never occurs unless there's a rare medical condition that can't be solved with other methods (which phimosis can be).

No not-batshit-insane parent or adult would get their child/themselves circumcised for aesthetic reasons. I have heard of people doing this but they are clearly fuckin' bonkers. Circumcision is the result of propaganda or rare, serious issues.

I can't wait for this stupid gender obsession to end

>>10996916
Transgenderism is basically religious. Both are inherently predicated on faith and faith is not scientifically verifiable.

Why should I pretend like their unproven delusions are real?

>>10995790
What's wrong with Nazi's?

>>10988502
i made this just for you anon

>>10998032
Aslong as they're cute.

>>10999301
Suicide rates for post-op trannies are basically the same. Irreversible treatment and body mutiliation is hardly ideal especially when we know some trannies regret transitioning later in life.

>>10988408
barr bodies and genetic diff between male and female.
combine those with the definition of species and its overkill.
ill try to make an infographic with one of those neckless pepes

>>10989159
Guess frogs and other species are mentally ill then when in fact they don’t have any substance of consciousness. Having attraction to the same gender is natural, however the idea of transition genders to fit this idealistic image of yourself is unnatural and more or so artificial, though the same can be applied to people who believe they are gay or lesbian or even bi.
t. Straight cis gendered Male

>>10989500
bump for the only guy who actually posted something wroth reading.
There should be a dedicated board for trolling.
I'm smelling alot of (.8.c.h.a.n) fags

>>10999849
The binary gender model you prefer has a quite literal religious component. Catholicism/Christianity has for centuries been at odds with homosexuality and non-gender conformity as can be seen in the changes to Roman society. Sworn Virgins are maybe the only non-conformity in Europe?

Your preferred viewpoint is equally unscientific unless you can come up with some scientific experiment to examine human consciousness, what makes you certain that your position is the right one and alternatives are in need of scientific confirmation?
An argument for the plausibility of a non-binary model would be that it is a unifying description for many distant human societies rather than focusing on just what is familiar in the west.

>>10998315
Wasn't having a go
Merely stating that psychological incongruence cannot negate biological facts.

Until such a time that you can prove psychological and neurological gender dysphoria negates biological and physiological realities then it really is literally all mental.

There is scientific illiteracy, propagandizing philosophy and cognitive dissonance.

All people need help; but that help cannot tell them a lie.

Otherwise the definitions scientifically of male and female and gametes are essentially redundant.

Take a M to F transgender (note: not a eunuch or transexual)
There are transgender people that fully understand they have and are biological males and will never be biological females
It's the vocal minority trying to erase scientific facts to suit a moral subjectivity and deconstructionist reading of society without answering:

>If you feel you are the wrong gender or sex then what is the definition of that sex/gender?

>>11000002
Again, I refer you to south asia which have a tri-gender/sex model which literally works.

You are either a male or female or a third sex/gender.
Choose and you'll be fine
Try to re-evaluate male and female divorced from logic, reason and facts then you're merely being deliberately obtuse.

>>11000002
Being homosexual doesn't make you a different gender or more importantly a different sex. Body dysmorphia as far as any outside observer can see is just a mental disorder that is purely subjective to the individual making the claim which is far more of a faith belief than looking at penis = man and vagina = woman.

My preferred viewpoint that sex in humans is binary with genetic abnormalities in very rare cases like herms is scientifically observable fact. Your irrelevant example of a culture that has a different gender designation for homosexuals as a part of their religious beliefs has nothing to do with biological reality.

>>11000117
I don’t understand what you think they are a counter example to?
They’re an example of non-conforming gender identity not in the west. Gender nonconformity in the west is described with the umbrella term transgenderism. ‘Transgender’ might include third genders, or be taken to mean a third gender. Being transgender doesn’t really ask anyone to redefine male/female social identity, it just means your social identity aligns more to the opposite biological sex.
>Try to re-evaluate male and female divorced from logic, reason and facts
This makes it sound like you think that male/female social identities can be derived from first principles?

>>11000117
>Being homosexual doesn't make you a different gender or more importantly a different sex
I wasn’t trying to claim that, I don’t think anyone would claim that.

>Body dysmorphia as far as any outside observer can see is just a mental disorder
Yes gender dysphoria (which isn’t the same as gender nonconformity/transgenderism) is taken by medical professionals as a mental illness, that’s not disputed.

>My preferred viewpoint that sex in humans is binary with genetic abnormalities in very rare cases like herms is scientifically observable fact.
A viewpoint that gender studies agrees with since social gender identity is examined as separate from biological sex.

>>11000472
First define what you mean by sex
Then define what you mean by Gender.

Then let us continue so as to be clearer.

Gender constructs
So the floor is yours; what is
>social gender identity
>Gender Social constructs.
>Other terms of interest

>This makes it sound like you think that male/female social identities can be derived from first principles?

Let us park this for now and we shall return to this if that is ok with you.


>If you feel you are the wrong gender or sex
>I don’t understand what you think they are a counter example to?

To western liberal notions of say biological male/man that self-identifies as a woman must be treated to the same protections a biological woman would be entitled to.
Even making this distinction will illicit howls of TERF bigot etc.
>They’re an example of non-conforming gender identity not in the west. Gender nonconformity in the west is described with the umbrella term transgenderism. ‘Transgender’ might include third genders, or be taken to mean a third gender.
So far so good but wait...
>Being transgender doesn’t really ask anyone to redefine male/female social identity,

Oh yes it does.
Can a woman have a penis?
Can a biological sex male be treated, in accordance with their gender identity, as a woman human female in ALL instances of medical care and social society?

> it just means your social identity aligns more to the opposite biological sex.
If only it were that simple. Many transpeople will never insinuate a clear distinction doesn't exist and that certain planes of existence within society will be unavailable to them on account of being born in what they deem to be the wrong sex body.

>>10988408
Wear kneesocks, faggot

>>10988590
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/00048679609065010

Pic related has had limited trial succsess and the only arguments I've heard against it are "Well it's only one study". But if further trials are suggested it becomes a battle over ethicacy which is ridiculous.

If someone has anorexia, you don't prescribe diet pills to them and tell them destroying their body to feel more comfortable is ok as that would go against the hypocratic oath. Why is transgenderism any different in this regard? The fact that a drug that is in the same family as schizophrenia medications works so well to suppress these urges would give you an idea of the nature of this ailment.

Hell the whole reason trans operations exist is because of a botched circumscision and a highly unethical treatment after the fact that the patient later on in life came out against.

I can't find the name of the last one there but it's been posted here before and I'm sure someone knows who I'm talking about with this.

>>10989365
Dont dox me