/sci/ - Science & Math

Algebra: 100IQ
Calculus: 120IQ
Real Analysis: 140IQ
Topology: 160IQ

>>10974279
enough IQ to be literate. no.

>>10974280
What's so high IQ about topology? I don't even know what it's used for.

>>10974283
Topology is the key to timesand

>>10974279
That's not how IQ works. That's like the most brainlet way of looking at it.

>>10974279
I mean, saying that you have to be as much of a prodigy as Tao to make the same amount of significant research is bullshit.
But of course it is more expected that an IMO-winner or something like will produce more, it's just that you have to have in mind that most of the high-achievers are coming from the same places (New York, California, Texas) with heavy school preparation, and there is always the possibility that someone from bumfuck nowhere comes and does really important shit. There is also the possibility that someone didn't do shit before but somehow during University starts working for math and gets ridiculously good.

But as far as reality goes, these two scenarios are really really rare. Being real for a moment, you will probably hear of the names James Lin or Andrew Gu in the future instead of some weird autist.

>>10974279
High IQ people (such as Tao) tend to downplay the importance of IQ. Because if they said the truth - that naturally high intelligence is required to do what they do - it would make them seem elitist, doubly so in current sociopolitical climate. And it would also imply that there was an element of luck, not just hard work, in their achievements.

Back in reality, yes, you basically have to be a 130+ to make actually valuable contributions in higher math or theoretical physics.

>>10974333
There is also the element of "judging others by your own standard". Since geniuses like Tao are so smart, this is their standard. Thus they underestimate how stupid an average person is, and tend to think everyone could do what they do if only they tried. Yet this is not the case. This particular fallacy is one paradoxically more widespread among the highly intelligent.

>>10974336
>you see, tao is actually so smart that hes dumb
Okay mr "smart but lazy"

>>10974280
Algebraic Topology: 180
Algebraic Geometry: 200

>>10974279
Pic related

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/intro-apollos-ascent/

>>10974361
Wouldn't Baron Woodley's findings on average Mycenaean IQ partially invalidate this?

>>10974280
>Calculus: 120IQ
Loads of shit
Is probably more like 100-110 IQ really, just not taught a lot or well
I got an IQ test done a while back and got trips, and I do calculus fine

>>10974361
Wouldn't you be able to discover any of these with a reasonable IQ (say 100) and dedication, in that IQ shows be how quickly you can solve complex problems,
or am I misunderstanding IQ?

>>10974279
He's right, IQ is just a cope invented by laymen and subhuman psychologists as an excuse for their laziness. I get so pissed off when someone disregards my achievments as "talent" or "high IQ".

>>10974387
You're right if a gorilla worked hard enough it could be a Nobel prize winning scientist

Intelligence doesn't matter at all even a retarded person with brain damage could be the next einstein

>>10974333
People with low IQ tend to exaggerate IQ too. Your point?

>>10974394
>Analogies with animals.

>>10974279
180

>>10974387
Now that God is dead in their mind, there will never be a shortage of materialists who believe they can predict to a T every single thing you will ever do, say, think and feel because there is no such thing as free will, chance, and conditioning in these people's minds, there's only 1s and 0s - what race you are, what IQ you were tested for once at 16, what sex you were born as - this is enough to map your entire life, even your children's

The modern day fortune teller, their tarot cards comfortable lies

Btw, don't forget that contemporary economic circumstances in a globalised society is the perfect and time immemorial barometer to scrutinize who is worthy of reproducing, despite everyone being peasants a couple centuries earlier, and the wealthiest inheriting all their worth all the while

>>10974279
We already had this thread basically today

>>10974394
This is about as intelligent as mocking a dog for having no concept for art

>>10974369
>dedication
thats your answer, you need an insane degree of abstract thought to do these things without being taught.

>>10974387
>I get so pissed off when someone disregards my achievments as "talent" or "high IQ".

So you are pissed off and that is why you deny the important of innate IQ. Not a rational reaction, but an irrational one.

>>10974395
My point was pretty clear.

>>10974369
>Wouldn't you be able to discover any of these with a reasonable IQ (say 100) and dedication

No. There is a point where if you are not intelligent enough, you will never discover some concepts, not matter how much time and effort. Just like a chimp will never learn even basic calculus.

>>10974436
>innate IQ
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)
Yes because diet and environment have no lasting effects, and also apparently it's impossible to train for IQ tests

>>10974441
>another analogy with animals

>>10974441
>how do you do, fellow humans?

>>10974450
If you actually looked into the things you're pulling out of your ass, you would know they are things that have already been looked into in depth
YES! Obviously nutrition has an effect, in fact it's one of the biggest reasons we've seen a "general rise in IQ" across the first world in the last 100 years, because you can't brain good if u hungry

But no, you can't change very much at all when training for IQ tests, the science has been apparently quite decisive in this way, in that (largely liberal egalitarian) psychologists have can trying to prove such wrong for over 70 years with no headway made

>>10974471
>>10974455
>>10974399
What's so wrong with animal analogies?
Obviously animals are orders of magnitude less intelligent than humans and humans don't seem to have that big a breadth between lowest and highest intelligence among them, but on the other hand we're not talking about that big a spread between the activities we're talking about here either

>>10974279

>Psychology thread.

Reminder that 80%-90% of psychology can't be replicated. It's literal pseudoscience.

>>>/x/

>>10974455
By chimp he really meant n------r

>>10974518
It can't be replicated, yet.

>this thread

>>10974489
If you can't train for pattern recognition which is what IQ tests, you can't train for any test

>>10974500
>what does "you're comparing apples to oranges" mean?

>>10974518
IQ is part of 20%-10% of psychology research that replicates the best.

>>10974450
>feral child

Your point? Literally nobody is saying that diet and environment are not important.

>>10974553
(Citation needed)

>>10974556
For context that flew over your high IQ brain, the anon I responded to claimed IQ was innate, in that it largely cannot be altered, so I cited the best evidence of social conditioning being entirely responsible for that girl becoming a brainlet on par with a toddler

How you missed that point can only be because you're too nuanced, too smart

>>10974568
I think the point was that it is partially innate (which is the controversial stance), I doubt anyone at all thinks IQ is completely innate.

>>10974573
then they'd do well to also preface their point by stating that the consensus on to what degree your intelligence is determined genetically is around 40-50%, and my example shows how despite taking the child and putting her through intensive training for almost 2 decades (and despite having a father who was an aircraft mechanic, assuming intelligence is more hereditary than it is arbitrary), they were only able to remediate her cognitively to that of a 4 year old, meaning environment played greater than some 80% of her IQ outcome

testing her IQ both at the peak of her isolation and after a years training is not necessarily a valid show of her true potential, since it was truncated entirely by environment during the most formative years of brain development

>>10974612

She mightve been doomed to be a retard no matter what though

>>10974518
Psychology should be relegated to /x/. First you start out with a Jew and his old-testament conception of a totally depraved mind centered on the most base and carnal pursuits. Next up some occultist faggot steps up to the plate with some mumbo jumbo about synchronicities and collective consciousness. Then so
Me other old faggot comes along and straps jumper-cables to mice testicles and thinks the fact that they don't like it is some profound insight. And finally it reaches it's conclusion with L Ron Hubbard and Scientology

>>10974639
being forced to live exactly like pic related, from birth to 12 years old, only to be periodically unsheathed for feeding and rape is a pretty good control

>>10974643
What the fuck are you talking about

>>10974279
>a massive cope
Is this supposed to mean something?

>>10974650
Freud, Jung, Pavlov/Skinner. You probably know fuck all about the development of psychology if you couldn't glean that

>>10974279
Learning math is piss-easy, it's doing research in math that requires strong focus an dedication. IQ is a metric, so is your productivity. Do math and find out.

>>10974654
>Learning math is piss-easy
Spoken like a true genius, unaware of his natural privilege. It is not easy at all for the rest of us.

>>10974665
More like spoken like a retard. Even a genius wouldn't make such a broad and meaningless statement as that. disciplines like Number theory and topology aren't called easy even by the most conceited chadbrain.

>>10974665

This is the exact why reason why I don't take IQ so seriously, Lazy fags like you will use it as excuse as to why our hard work is nothing but a "natural privilege" and that you have the right to do nothing because "me low IQ subhuman XD".

>>10974693
Based

>>10974665
I tested my IQ once and it was around 120. I don't care, I can learn it, others can too if they really want to.

>>10974693
Quite the opposite, geniuses use denial of IQ as an excuse to inflate their own efforts and hard work, whereas in reality a lot of it is just due to natural talent and luck.

>>10974747
I think that is an insult to geniuses. Geniuses work even harder than anyone because they are usually pressured by a sense of duty to use their exceptional intelligence to the best of their ability. Imagine racking your brain for years desperately trying to prove a conjecture, knowing you will probably fail and die in obscurity. Puts the ol 9-5 to shame.

>>10974361
After seeing that pic I wanted to know how much I understand pytaghore theorem by proving it and I had more trouble than I thought (used four rectangles).

>>10974333

This is true. Back when I was surrounded by smoothbrains in highschool and CC, I thought academic achievement was purely a matter of how much dedication and work ethic you have. Being in uni surrounded by brainchads who clearly have 140+ and grasp in minutes what I can only get a fuzzy notion of after hours or days of study, even when we both started with zero background knowledge, it's become painfully clear that IQ is real and has real consequences. I'm sure those brainchads would swear on their mother's lives that it's all hard work, however, since they only have to work 10% as hard as everyone else anyway.

>>10975444
See >>10974387

>>10974747

This is big fact. >>10974763 for some perspective, imagine being surrounded by literal retards, mentally handicapped individuals, and saying that the reason you can learn calculus and they can't is because you just worked harder. It makes no sense. The difference in abstraction capability between a tenured mathematician and your average undergrad is at least as high as that.

>>10975444
> I'm sure those brainchads would swear on their mother's lives that it's all hard work
And how do we know you weren't lazing around?

>>10974279
>Is Terence Tao's statement that you don't have to be a genius a massive cope?
Because Tao has something he needs to cope with?

>>10974394
If only normal intelligence varied as much as the intelligence of animals, you might have a point

>>10975887
He doesn't look like he can build muscle.

>>10974366
>I got an IQ test done a while back and got trips

>>10975887
>If only normal intelligence varied as much as the intelligence of animals, you might have a point

No, it may vary less and he still has a point. No humans with the exception of those with heavy mental retardation are as dumb as gorrilas. But plenty of humans are too dumb to ever understand higher math, no matter the effort and environment.

>>10974387
>I get so pissed off when someone disregards my achievments as "talent" or "high IQ".
Cope.

>>10975925
I think what he meant was that his iq was in the 100-110 range, thus barely hitting the triple digit.

>>10975925
I think he means his IQ is 111 (trips).

>>10976152
This lol

>>10976152
Makes more sense than the explanation I gave. Forgot that trips could also mean that.

>>10975939
>But plenty of humans are too dumb to ever understand higher math, no matter the effort and environment.
A bold claim. Didn't we just have a thread about a 98 IQ woman's contributions to higher math?

>>10975444
If you're going to graduate school at a prestigious university, then _maybe_ you're surrounded by people with 140+ IQ. People with 140+ are like 1/1000. When ~4,000,000 people graduate high school a year, assuming everyone who's smart enough goes to college, that leaves 4,000 students in a class with 140+ IQs to be spread out to all top 20 colleges in the US, minus whichever of them go to state school because they can't afford it.
Face it, you're either just lazy or a complete brainlet wowed by people with ~120s.

>>10977181
>Face it, you're either just lazy or a complete brainlet wowed by people with ~120s.

Are you guys serious when you consider that having a slightly above average iq (100-110) is being a brainlet?

>>10977575
They are detached from reality and dont know how dumb average people are. This is where the whole "average person cannot learn higher math because they are lazy" bullshit comes from. As if!

>Is Terence Tao's statement that you don't have to be a genius a massive cope?
Tao lives in a bubble where people he interacts with in his daily life are all extremely bright. Do you think he hangs out with Joe The Plumber on weekends? "Yo, bro, intelligence doesn't matter, all the people I know can understand advanced math easily"

>average person cannot learn higher math because they are lazy

I had an exercise similar to pic related back in high school, I was in a class of about 33 people.

I remember that when presented with it most of my classmates either could answer it with great trouble or couldn't at all. Only three of us could solve it with ease.

And before someone tells me I was in a class of retard the high school I was in was about average.

So could anyone tell me how someone who had trouble with something like it could actually do higher math? Because this doesn't require any background knowledge, this is as basic as you'd get.

>average person cannot learn higher math because they are lazy

I had an exercise similar to pic related back in high school, I was in a class of about 33 people.

I remember that when presented with it most of my classmates either could answer it with great trouble or couldn't at all. Only three of us could solve it with ease.

And before someone tells me I was in a class of retard the high school I was in was about average.

So could anyone tell me how someone who had trouble with something like it could actually do higher math? Because this doesn't require any background knowledge, this is as basic as you'd get.

>>10977600
What he means is "I know plenty of dumb people who do well for themselves". What it means for his bubble is that some of his friends are around 130.

>>10974279
Why would he cope? He is really good at math.

From what I gather from Grothendieck, he either (1) didn't have a 130-140+ IQ or (2) people with high IQs alone (without any other cognitive skill covered by IQ) aren't able to contribute as much as he did.
Dude literally saw people have an easier time than him and stumbled upon concepts that were so hard that at first he thought he would never be able to learn them.
What gives?

>>10977643
>tfw you realise most normies are implicitly bundling intersection with their idea of perpendicular and think parallel means "looks like train tracks"

>>10977671
It's probably some variant of einstellung. Fast learner also means fast mislearner if the individual is too confident or otherwise blase. Big brains aren't necessarily careful, just as careful thinking won't guarantee a smoothie insight.

>>10974279
you guys are fucking stupid. first of all pay attention to the things iq tests tend to measure. for verbal iq ur vocabulary and understanding of semantics is tested. this naturally transfers to reading ability as you should theoretically trip up less when you see new words, and you also encounter less new words in the first place. ofc in mathematics, unless we are talking more specifically about definitions, the set of nee vocabulary you need to learn is less and more specialized. so much so in fact that it gets easier to read math in other languages simply because of the specialized language. even ignoring this, what a reduced viq translates to in math is more cognitive load when learning definitions, and being less skillfull at applying these definitions to problems. both of these can be remediated by time and elaboration on worked example.

then there comes working memory, relational binding and relational complexity that we associate with fluid intelligence. working working memory deficits and processing defits affecting the coping with relational complexity can both be remediated by just writing shit down and chunking relations into easier to manage units.

then there’s also just general inductive reasoning which i guess might be the biggest ‘brainlet filter’ among these factors. the skill to elaborate on problem schemas in worked examples is very important for understanding proofs, lectures, and getting your problem solving skill started. evem then, if you dont do this at worse you restrict yourself to means-end analysis which is just more time.

with these factors you see iq is more of an xp multiplier than something that blocks your progress. saying it doesnt matter is retarded because in the long run that optimization builds up. at the same time, it isnt a be all and end all thing. more so something that affects performance on the professional level among various other things like what school you are doing graduate studies and breadth

>>10977674
>Fast learner also means fast mislearner if the individual is too confident or otherwise blase.
>tfw not high IQ but fit perfectly inside this description
I have a pretty fast thinking but I frequently mistake concepts that slower people get right.

>>10977643
Yes.
No.
No.
Yes.
No.

>>10974280
Isn't calculus just part of real analysis? We just call it Analysis here

>>10977718
Tell that to Newton.

>>10974279
Mathematical aptitude is correlated with IQ, but not totally. There can be be people who are geniuses in one area, while being normal in others. And similarly there are high IQ people who for some reason can't grasp/imagine higher mathematical concepts. But to get somewhere in mathematics you definitely need natural aptitude, even if it's less tangible than IQ.

>>10974333
Look up Richard Feynman's IQ.

>>10977978
Feynman's IQ isn't low. He got it when he took an hour long IQ test which also involves not only pattern recognition, but also verbal reasoning and processing speed. Overall, if he took one of those shitty ones such as ones over at mensa.no or mensa.dk he'd probably score 145+.

>>10977989
You do realise that iq test don't only include pattern recognition and that those aren't real iq tests?

>>10977996
That's exactly what I said. If Feynman took one of those IQ tests that only involve pattern recongnition, he'd most likely score 145+ on them.
Much of this board would probably score between 110-120 if they took an actual IQ test.

>>10978004
You're being way too soft. Conisdering most of this board is autistic, their verbal reasoning would bring down their total IQ all the way into the 90-99 range.

>>10977698
>with these factors you see iq is more of an xp multiplier than something that blocks your progress.
The poltards you are addressing are incapable of understanding this concept.

>>10978018
That would imply verbal iq in the 60-70 range, wich I found highely unlikely, particularly when you take into account that a lot of people here have english as a second language.

>>10974279

Terence Tao's statement is designed not to push people away from math. A lot of people are potential geniuses at some areas of math but people are often discouraged to learn math at start. It has nothing to do with IQ you insecure brat.

>>10977181

My school's math program is in the top ten in the country, so the basis of your argument is irrelevant. The people I'm talking about were doing differential topology and cohomology a year out of high school. By sophomore year they were taking multiple graduate courses and working on obscure shit with professors in their free time. Yes there were a lot of them; mostly Chinese, Indian, or Ashkenazi, of course. All the 120 smoothbrains switched to applied math or engineering within two years, or at the very least stopped taking the more rigorous optional classes.

>>10978185
>>10977978
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>>10975887
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>>10974387

https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/02/01/talents-part-2-attitude-vs-altitude/

This is probably the best way to explain the IQ to brainwashed normies.

>>10978352

Qualifying statement: By "a lot", I really mean that it wasn't one or two exceptional individuals, but still only < ten in my year, and even then there was a clear IQ heirarchy in that group

>>10977698
tl;dr

>>10978369
If being smart and tall is that rare, then Gru is some biological marvel.

>>10978649
That's a fictional character, which kind of goes to show how rare it is.

>>10977580
So it's a bit like muscleheads pretending everybody can build muscle?

>>10978369

It's also unrelated to Terence Tao's statement.

>>10974284
Shut up faggot

>>10974279
IQ is a astrology-tier cope for autistcis narcissts. it doesn't matters. Not wasting time and getting your job done matters. if you are struggling the you will need litte more time. If you like math and it makes you happy then go for it.thats it.

>>10980679
Sure bro that's why they are many science nobel prize winners with IQs below 100.

>>10980683
its true but Iq can only demotivate you in pursuing your passions.

>>10974279

>>10974364
Redpill me on Woodley's findings on the average Mycenaean IQ

Also relevant:
http://www.unz.com/akarlin/two-millennia-of-dysgenics-in-greece/

Basically you must be smart but not as smart as Terence Tao because not all valuable math is as hard as what he does.

Above a certain threshold, some other stuff is important like motivation and discipline.

>>10980693
>game theory that low

Really?

>>10980693
>Topology is only as low as "serious math"

Maybe there is hope for me

>>10980693

On time pad decryption? ya k

>>10978740
no because that's actually true

>>10980986
In other words, anyone who takes Adderall can be a mathematician?

>>10974279
You don't need to be a genius to LEARN math, but you need to be a genius to discover new and relevant things in math.

In fact, you don't need to be a genius to learn anything. The only deal with not being a genius is that it'll take a much longer time for you to grasp some stuff.

>>10979911

It's very related. IQ is real and a very important factor in determining success in intellectually demanding fields, especially if you are considering large populations. Brainchads in academia often like to downplay the importance of genetics because A: it would look elitist and smug to do otherwise and B: it lets them feel good and think that all their success is due to hard work alone. A bit like richfags who inherited millions or entered the market during good economic times talking about bootstraps.

The fact of the matter is that the average IQ of a person Terence Tao interacts with on a day to day basis is probably ~120-130, so it's easy for him to believe that everyone can succeed in academia if he never interacts with double digit individuals who struggle with basic calculus.

>>10974279
Once you get into maths, over the years you realize that literally ant retard can get into it.

>>10981547

Your own conjectures aren't Terrence Tao's statements.

>>10978369
Scott Alexander is a fucking contrarian Jew who uses psychdelics (and because of this probably has low IQ). Fuck off.

>>10978352
lol I'm in a similar spot. I don't think I can ever compete no matter how much I try. A washed out failure like me should sudoku, I'm just wasting my parents' money on tuition and everyone's time

>>10981547
>A bit like richfags who inherited millions or entered the market during good economic times talking about bootstraps.

Good analogy.

>>10980722
It was likely an average of 120-125
https://youtu.be/UES_tpDxz9A

Its funny when you do enough math and you realize just how much of it is how you think about it and not pure horsepower. I feel bad for the people who ask permission via IQ to learn on this board. They either determine they are too dumb without trying or they pat themselves on the back for being smart enough to do it and never get around to it.

I don't know why this board keeps tolerating this apathetic scum.

>>10974279
Just to settle the argument, my visual -> I.Q. = 160.

I was tested at age 14 in the year of 1998 at Downloads School, Toowoomba, Australia.

My auditory I.Q. was labeled as below 100 but that was an ego-reflection of the test-taker as it was the SECOND test they administered and I was a foreigner in a rural town with known wealthy parents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMBzJleeOno

>>10984015
Haha, high scores are valid and low scores are flawed. Me too, buddy.

>>10984025
*shrug* I don't see why anything is flawed. I only know how to report my recording of a memory, I don't hold any emotional data outside of the event.

I only hold emotions when I am referencing my 'now' memories, all past/present/future are just context observations I make and store at the time.

How else is a brain supposed to function?

>>10984029
>>10984025
Sorry, 'at the time' meaning 'observations made in the now I'm referencing by an absolute metric'. I can't edit or alter memories, I can only 'attribute edit' in my now, which is usually context data about the perspective of my memory unit (e.g. my biological head) as it booted into existence (woke up in bed) and then followed its nutrient gathering resource path and prescribed, "I am human child, I must perform educational duties because parental units control the resource and describe its paths to me as they never taught me how to do it for myself."

Part of these things were undergoing several tests to satisfy my parents observation that I was just a 'misunderstood genius', but rather than nurture that they simply added more and more 'social exclusion variables' to my story. Which has led to me now, having the sort of ego that I do, and bitch-slapping everyone online and offline.

When immortality is true, or that humans are just gullible when it comes to numbers and ONLY numbers, then Language is the medium I'll use to describe the world as new again.

Or, ya know, whatever is going on in YOUR head anonymous I'm sure is much more enjoyable.

>>10984041
You clearly latched on to your parents' narrative for YOU early and have refused to alter it since. This is a mistake; you hide behind language.

>>10984053
My Language is that I am the Eternal Eldest of my Youngest, and for that in my Language you know me as Sorry. You can call me Bubble Bounce now if you prefer, but some adults still find that a tad too infantile for their tastes (which is just another form of rejecting God's glory, or whatever bullshit narrative you the reader might subscribe to).

>Why would I care about predicate beyond a dictionary definition of a concept?

If I claim that I've got no major problems understanding mathematical proofs or demonstrations when shown purely through numbers, but absolutely suck at decoding word problems, am I retarded, autistic, or a liar?

>>10984059
Your diction is like a heavily unsimplified equation: it looks long and complicated but it simplifies into something very simple. In the math world you are expected to simplify your own equations before you ask their validity, and the analogy does extend into the world of words.

>>10984064
What's a liar?

Google doesn't give me much.

a person who tells lies.
"the man was a notorious liar"

>Googles what a lie is because he's an interdimensional space tarantula shitposting on a mongolian anal sex forum

verb
verb: lie; 3rd person present: lies; past tense: lay; gerund or present participle: lying; past participle: lain
1.
(of a person or animal) be in or assume a horizontal or resting position on a supporting surface.
"the body lay face downwards on the grass"
synonyms: recline, lie down, lie back, be recumbent, be prostrate, be supine, be prone, be stretched out, stretch oneself out, lean back, sprawl, rest, repose, relax, lounge, loll, bask
"he was lying on a bed"
antonyms: stand
(of a thing) rest flat on a surface.
"a book lay open on the table"
synonyms: be placed, be set, be situated, be positioned, rest, repose, be
"her handbag lay on a chair at the other end of the room"
(of a dead person) be buried in a particular place.
"his body lies in a crypt"
synonyms: be buried, be interred, be laid to rest, rest, be entombed; More


>>10984075
Okay, I don't have any math questions except for store count.

>>10984078
>This post used Ancient Chinese Magic because blah-blah fag my first born daughter is Chinese so gotta keep the in-laws happy!

>>10984075
I mean store count of memory. Beyond a store count of memory formula/equation/series/variable, I don't care about mathematics and I will never translate anything else, mathematically speaking, in order to satisfy the transition of identical, equal, and isomorphic.

>>10984064
>Also, why would you posit that hypothetical to yourself and populate it thusly? I've never met you before, fellow creator of existence.

In Chinese, just for my Chinese followers, this would be called: 曳的在年輕的觀眾藝術

Now, this is a complicated concept because all Chinese Father's of Thought have been simply schools of approach, but I am a director of attention and demand.

https://v.qq.com/x/page/f0663fps53f.html

I troll my own Country by following all the YES signal for Aboriginal Culture, basically I Dance in public for the sexuality of all women and not for the men.

I'm fine if the women of my Country rape the violence out of the men, I really do.

>This is why I don't attend your fucking Council Invitations, because you guys only need a public record. I'll just be the public fucking record. Every audience gets bored of its own shit or someone elses eventually, I'm just sick of everyone who has a digital device that doesn't do a nice thing for at least 1 stranger a fucking day or something basic like that.

>>10984078
I know your post was probably a joke, but I'm still gonna respond seriously to it because I feel like wasting a bit more of my time.
A liar can be a person who either asserts something to be ture that either contradicts what that person is known to believe about something, or what happens to be real/true that that person would be expected to know.
In my case, I could've lied by claiming I understand mathematics if I had either an incomplete knowledge of mathematics as a whole or a poor understanding of any part of mathematics which I know of. I might possibly just be operating on barely beyond high school level knowledge of mathematics without any actual contact with the vast majority of mathematics in general. I might be claiming that I do not understand word problems because I don't have a proper, intuitive understanding of mathematics.

>>10984108
every time i look at mandarin chinese, it looks like broken japanese to me. i recognize those characters, but i can't really make sense out of anything other than isolated words.

Why the fuck is this on /sci/?

>>10984127
Yes, you are the Universe and all of creation. You can assert/let/claim/instantiate/express anything. This is just called suggestive or accretive communication.

>>10984137
It's... strict language.

>>10984149
Why the fuck is anything anything, fellow elitest?

>>10984181
>Yes, you are the Universe and all of creation. You can assert/let/claim/instantiate/express anything. This is just called suggestive or accretive communication.
Is that just a fancy way of saying "Bruh, tone down on the unintelligible bullshit."

>>10984229
Why would you advertise your subtext in an active and open dialogue/communication setting? Your interpretations and translations are your own. If you are asking if I, the reader, can interpret those statements as being the same thing (as in valid branching paths for converastion/merging/union/mathematical singularity), then I would say, "Yes."

I don't know what context or semantic quantifiers you have though. Unintelligible bullshit is a relative term, and 'tone' is a cultural thing. These are just the Laws of Language.

>>10984233
>>10984229
However, just to make a point, I am a FORCED INCLUSION communicator. I think it's hilarious, awesome, and the best way to have orgies, share resources, minimize complaints/arguments between communication nodes, and all the rest.

However that may appear to an external observer of the Language is up to them. I ultimately get to TROLL them anyway also, because I am that which all never expected: YES, MY MAGIC INCLUDES YOU TOO, ELDER FUCKFACE.

>>10977698
nice blog post faggot

>>10984237
>>10984233
>>10984229
FORCED INCLUSION could also be interpreted that I am a rapist. It is the <MAGICAL_VARIABLE> & NULL HYPOTHESIS that rapes me, forcing me to include everything and everyone my waking life because I am a FORCED ELDER.

When people think they have to coddle or help me, I just use my intellect to slap their shit all over the place loudly and in public because nobody seems to be able to handle their own shame/blame routine.

>First Elder/Intellectual/Sapiosexual to basically go, "If a child can burn out an adult by repetitive why questions, but can store the memory, then an adult can burn the adult out of a child by showing them that why is a question that only the self-referencer can answer. Those that seek purpose to be gifted magically by others is not what I'm about. I'm here to prove to you all that you were already connected."

>>10974280
algebra 90 IQ
calculus 100 IQ

>>10974337
You don't know how to read, friend. Or you are just unable to understand what you read.

>>10984299
If anything can construct an interpretation that one can respond to with a shared narrative vector, then it can 'read'.

>The Calculus Troll

>>10984589
>Tumblrposting namefag
metastatic cancer

>>10984686
Parasitic Wasps Genetically Enslave Butterflies

>>10977698
I'm assuming you are referring to the IQ test administered by professional psychologists, the majority of people who post about IQ on this board and website use either some crappy online test to gauge their IQ or the mensa test both of which do not test for verbal or arithmetic abilities. And even in that case IQ tests are not accurate, there are cases where people can score get an IQ score of 90 and retest and score with an IQ of 120, or people with an IQ of 130 can re-score with an IQ of 100, IQ tests aren't 100% accurate.

>>10985123
mensa IQ tests are just gauging your autism, i.e your ability to fit in and accepted by your peers on 4channel

>>10974333
You need a 120+ IQ in general to get a stem degree.
There is not one single person alive with a lower IQ that has a degree in an engineering subject or stem, not one single person.

Or let me rephrase this:
There are dozens of hardworking lower IQ people in those subjects, but they either commit suicide, drop out or are long time students who fail after 15 semester and then basically have their life destroyed because no one told them the brutal truth: hard work is worthless, IQ is everything.

>>10977989
>Physicist Steve Hsu on Feynman's alleged 125 IQ score:
"Feynman was universally regarded as one of the fastest thinking and most creative theorists in his generation. Yet it has been reported-including by Feynman himself-that he only obtained a score of 125 on a school IQ test. I suspect that this test emphasized verbal, as opposed to mathematical, ability.

Is this why I only scored 108 when this kEYEke tested me for my psychological evaluation for my legal situation? I tested as gifted in elementary school, which has a floor of 115. The kiek timed each question, and asked me a lot of verbal questions. Also, I scored very low on my memory, which is true because I've fried my brain by jerking off and using computers for so many years.
He says 107 is still 70th percentile, but I'm not sure how many brown people are included in that data set.
Anyone have any insight on this?

>>10974280
>every math undergrad has to take these
>any of these being >110 IQ

>>10985215
I tested several times as a child and only scored a high of 105 IQ. I got a 4.0 for my undergraduate in Physics.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savant_syndrome

>>10985299
Good for you. I studied 5 hours a day and failed all my exams and I am now a jobless neet at 26.

So you either cheated or are lying.

>>10985312
Perhaps there's more to intelligence than an IQ test? I refuse to believe everyone processes information the same just at different speeds.

>mfw I'm a retard

>>10985321
High IQ tests are often untimed, although possibly scams. I think Taleb's criticism of IQ is flawed, but continuous testing on legitimate subjects that populates a national database makes more sense to me than coursework and exams. There shouldn't be a time limit on answering questions, but the time taken to answer a particular question (rolled out to all students in a nation) should be recorded. After a few years of collecting this sort of data we might be able to gain some actual insight into matters such as variable intelligence and processing speed vs creativity, etc.

>>10974280
GTFO undergrad...

Hardest math courses I've taken are commutative algebra, algebraic geometry and smooth manifolds.

>>10980693
One time pad decryption?

It has proven perfect secrecy numbnuts... Every message can literally decode into anything you want. The secret is in the pad, and cannot be decoded without it.

>>10986823
>smooth manifolds
what's so hard about that

>>10986823
Several Complex Variables motherfucker

>>10984001
society has degenerated. we no longer respect hard work and virtue. we care only for results or the tokens thereof. iq says you -could- produce great things. to a person living in our times, that is satisfactory. if you dont have it, why try?

>>10974455
idiot, would you rather have one with a Khoe-Sān pastoralist from the Kalahari desert?

>>10980693
this is fucking terrible

>>10981590
this but you have to not be totally retarded and have a reasonable training / analytic mindset that develops somewhat early on (like before 25ish is my guess). mentorship and practice makes a big difference as long as you're ok and thinking about it in terms of Iq is retarded and OP is just looking for resolution for his own insecurities about his intelligence in math rip

>>10987182
that's just how nature is retard, you're worthless if you can't produce results or if there are dozens of others who can do a better job faster than you
What you want is someone to shelter you throughout your life as you cope by telling yourself "oh not yet, I'll be better be tomorrow and finally make it" until you've sponged them off till you're on your deathbed with absolutely nothing accomplished and leaving behind nothing worth remembering

>>10987232
>(like before 25ish is my guess)
More like before ten. The number of asian students being brute-forced into fields that require high IQ is unsettling. Then they cheat and bribe and swerve their way through courses because it's not about contribution, it's about gettin that paper to earn big money. That's it.
>mfw asians and gangster niggers have basically the same approach to life, just opposing extremes of the hard work ethic.

>>10987717
You can study raven matrices and score 140+. Noone bothers to do this but if they made IQ a hard requirement for something important they'd just rote memorize all possible 3x3 patterns a psychologist could come up with.

>>10974361
You left out the source of that data, from your link
:
>In math, I would guesstimate roughly the following set of thresholds:
So just random whatever. I mean on of them says 180 iq which isn’t even measurable on the text, someone doesn’t understand iq scores are not liner.

>>10977996
>You do realise that iq test don't only include pattern recognition and that those aren't real iq tests?
Wrong, if you took a test like that you took a different intelligence test, not iq

>>10981547
Dude your growth shows the top 25 percent of janitors overlaps with the bottom third of college professors(the second highest grouping there).
So basically it shows iq has redicuiosuly low prediction rates. Your graphic shows little better than noise data.

Neural efficiency hypothesis: smart people use less effort in their brains to do smart things.

So mr Tao doesn’t feel stressed when he does smart things. It doesn’t occur to him that these things are ridiculously difficult for most people.

>>10987883
How do I increase my neural efficiency?

>>10987793

There's a clear upward trend if you're not blind, but yes, IQ has relatively low predictive power; it's not everything. It's about as predictive as your family income growing up, however, and still one of the best predictors you can get in fields as wishy-washy as social science. So make of that what you will.

>>10989115

That's almost entirely genetic, my dude. It can certainly go down if you fuck up, and be optimized in youth, but by the time you're in high school it's like trying to change your blood type.

>>10989180
The brain stops developing by 25 if you're male, or 21 if you're female.

>>10989180
The brain stops developing by 25 if you're male, or 21 if you're female.

It also depends on race too, blacks develop the fastest while Asians develop the slowest.

>>10974280
>Calculus: 120IQ
>high school math requires 120 iq
hahahahahahaha

>>10989115
Thats's the point of studying/working on a topic.

>>10989180
Most people are not hitting their upper limit. Or haven’t learned to do so. But yes it is obviously genetic.

>>10989287
>>10989279
Wrong.

Is the capacity to do har work also influenced by genetics and environment? Obviously yes. There is no such thing like "merit" in the real world. Just try try tour bes.t

>higher mathematics for extended periods of time whilst suffering from the effects of severe sensory processing disorder and slight malnutrition whilst in a Polish school for years

This place has taken my sanity hostage countless times, to the point where I have developed a natural aversion to Algebra and Calculus, as they have been relegated to the containment chamber of my brain which stores all the PTSD inducing memories which i wake up to every day to some extent. I take solace in Physics and Chemistry when i can. However, mathematics are a chapter of my life that has been read and closed. Never again. Art was always my first and best destiny. My affinity for various STEM fields in my early life was quickly put out by archaic rituals seen after moving back here.

>>10989318

>>10978004
>>10977989
But IQ isn't just pattern recognition, therefore the statement that you need an IQ above 130 to make valuable contributions to physics is disproven by counterexample. Sure, you may need specific abilities that are much higher than 130 or whatever threshold, but extremely high general ability, as measured by IQ, is not necessary.

>>10977978
>>10978004
>>10977989
>>10985267
>>10978004
>MUH FEYNMAN
125 IQ with mutant, one-in-a-million, overlapping multidimensional multiple-synesthesia wired specifically to math is NOT the same as 125 IQ vanilla. For all intents and purposes the guy should effectively be around 150.

>>10974333
>>10975444
Based trips.

>>10974354
>long division: 220

>>10974279
>Is Terence Tao's statement that you don't have to be a genius a massive cope?

It very well may be, however it will not stop me from pursuing glory.

>>10974279
is 124 iq good to become and engineer?
I took a real life test

>>10985296
OP is probably talking about research mathematics.

>>10985312
>5 hours
Lazy fuck

>>10990430
Considering that it was an actual one, you probably have a higher IQ than most of this board.
And yeah, 110 is enough to breeze through engineering if you actually try.

>>10990553
Would you say they're different levels of intelligence required being at the top level of any of those disciplines though?

>>10974354
category theory: 210
mochizuki's IUT : 300

>>10974366
depends. any textbook like stewart has both easy problems (first ten or so after every chapter) and hard problems towards the end. so it is up to your school/teacher to curve it up or down, even if everyone used the same textbook. but it *can* be a 120 level

>>10982764
Not an argument

>>10974279
You need 0 I.Q. do to math.

>Surprise.

>>10992729
Guy literally got C- on Calclus I and STILL has the audacity to proclaim that he "worked hard" (Read: Narcissism). Now he just copes by saying "maths' not my talent" and REEEEES at the idea of a growth mindset because it proves that he was a lazy ass.

Who knows? He might actually be low IQ but he INSISTS that he isn't. Either he's a 85 IQ chimp or didn't study at all.

I hope to God that this thread is just shitposting. You guys are pathetic.

>>10993391
What is the point of urgency if it has no practical application, demonstrable or achievable?

>>10989201
well the earlier it's taught; a better understanding will be formed, especially when kids still have malleable brain.

>>10989201
You're laughing but here in my country about 70% of high school student aren't required to learn calculus anymore because of how much people were bitching about student being bad at math.

Though 120 seems pretty high I'd say it's more arround 110.

>>10989324
>all that cope

>>10984064
I'd say you're a liar and probably a retard.
>understanding mathematical proofs or demonstrations when shown purely through numbers
What proofs are done purely "through numbers"? This makes no sense.

>>10989172
>So make of that what you will
What mean of this sentence

>>10989172
>So make of that what you will
What mean of this sentence?

>>10987777
So then what do you think the real numbers are, for the IQ required for those types of math? Also checked.

>>10974333
Pretty much.

You don't have to be a genius, but having average intelligence will probably only get you a mediocre position at mediocre university, and your chances of producing anything more than routine output are low.

Academia is more competitive than ever so it's probably wiser to go into easier but related fields such as science or engineering.

>>10977671
He was just thinking more carefully than them / being modest. They may have had somewhat higher IQs but I doubt he would be below 130. He reinvented the Lebesgue integral on his own, you can't be normie IQ and do that.

>>10978185
aka more funding bux.

>>10978185
>Terence Tao's statement is designed not to push people away from math

So not designed to be truth then.

>>10974280
If Calculus also includes, differential equations and vector calculus I'd raise it. If it's just integration and derivation I'd make it 101 IQ.

>>10996586

To be truth about what?

>>10996056
make a will

>>10977718
calculus is the intermediate step between algebra and topology. so i would say yes in a way calculus is a part of real analysis, but the way it's taught at the high school or freshman in college level is very watered down if you want to call it "real analysis"

really calculus 1-3 are their own things, but they do incorporate real analysis

I tested three standard deviations above the mean on the WAIS-IV at 145. I was pretty proud of this for a little while. I'm at a top 20 university and coasting to the top of my class in most of my math/EE courses. I still gotta work, but I work half as hard as most people who get Bs do, and still have a 3.9.
But 145 is one in a thousand, and there are three-hundred million people in the United States alone. 300,000 people that are smarter than me. They could fill a relatively large city with people, and I'd be the dumbest person there. There are so many fucking smart people out there, that even if you're a genetic fluke, it still feels like you don't stand a chance against the raw talent you're up against.

>>10998353
Only a small percentage of that 300,000 went on to develop their minds through higher education. Really your competition is closer to 100,000