/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10983742
because jews don't want this to be anything serious. if in doubt, it's jews

>>10983742
Because the entirely of the "evidence" in support of them is anecdotes and blurry 144i video.

>>10983742
The existence of hoaxes (even government-sanctioned ones) is also probable, even if there are aliens. They are not mutually exclusive.

>>10983742

Off the top of my head:

> 70 years of people making stuff up or misidentifying known phenomena.
> The waters muddied even more by elements within the US military quietly pushing the 'UFOs are aliens' story to divert unwanted attention from black projects (Majestic 12 documents, much of the Roswell story, etc. were just made up).
> If aliens exist that doesn't imply they've visited earth, obviously.

I'm not saying it's out of the question that the things shown in those videos might be - say - machine drones made by extraterrestrials, but is there really strong evidence available to the public that say's it's like that rather than a US or foreign military black project?

>>10983742
>pic
>unidentified aerial phenomenon
>UAP

So....UAP some how becomes UFO according to CNN.

>>10983742
UFOs aren't paranormal, it's attributing UFOs to ayylmaos that's seen as fruity.

>>10983750
You have official military videos of them right in front of you, anon.

Are you retarded?

>>10983810
>but is there really strong evidence available to the public that say's it's like that rather than a US or foreign military black project?

Why would they publish pictures of their own black projects?

>>10984077
The leap from "I don't know what this object is in this video" to "it must have come from outer space" is retarded, anon.

>>10984077
"Official" blurry videos that only show a blob or a dot.

Ufo != aliums
could be mundane secret military shit.

>>10984094
Or a regular plane and they just don't know the flight number.

>>10984082
Because they aren't in the circle of trust?

>>10984084
But that's not what this thread is about. It's about why are UFO's not considered science? And that something in the upper atmosphere may have come from space is a plausible hypothesis when it's unidentified.

That's not to say it's the only hypothesis, but it is one of many.

>>10984092
Well it's neither anecdotal nor is it 144i

>>10984114
>It's about why are UFO's not considered science?
Same reason trainspotting isn't science.

>>10984114
Because baseless speculation about what a 3x3 pixel monochromatic blob is is not science. Also, the people who do care about 3x3 pixel monochromatic blobs are usually obsessive retards who also believe in shit like bigfoot and the healing power of crystals, and all that.
>something in the upper atmosphere may have come from space is a plausible hypothesis when it's unidentified
No it isn't.

>>10984117
It is anecdotal when someone tells you what is in a blurry video with no good evidence.

>>10984125
>see a satellite in a decaying orbit

ONLY A RETARD WOULD SAY THAT BLOB IN THE SKY CAME FROM SPACE!!

>>10984129
I don't think you know what the word 'anecdotal' means.

Also, nobody in this thread is telling anyone what it is, rather we are observing a strange phenomenon and trying to understand it. That's science.

>>10984133
We would know if it was a satellite in decaying orbit, because satellites are rigorously tracked by hundreds of independent organizations all over the world. An un-accounted spec is has essentially 0% chance of being that.

>>10984135
So what do you make of it?

>>10984136
>What are secret spy satellites
>What is space junk

>>10984142
I think black projects or extraterrestrials are both valid hypothesis, and in fact interrelated.

I don't claim to know for certain, but I do think it's interesting and a valid discussion. Better than another IQ thread or a lot of the other shitposting that occurs.

I think it's absurd that people sperg out about speculating on an unknown phenomenon on a science board. Basically shouting at other people to stop paying attention to something interesting rather than participating in an interesting discussion.

>>10984150
>What are secret spy satellites
we track those
>What is space junk
we track those too
>I think black projects or extraterrestrials
What evidence do you have for extraterrestrials?

SWAMP GAS

>>10983742
Its not aliens though. It's likely some other nation flexing their secret tech.

>>10984162
>What evidence do you have for extraterrestrials?

I don't think you really want to know.

>>10984173
>i dont actually have any evidence btw

>>10984179

Let's think this through logically.

If you ponder these 'black projects' for a moment you will likely admit that they could very well be capable of interplanetary travel.

I mean, they are certainly more advanced than the apollo landers or shuttle, almost by definition of them being secret dark tech.

So if humans have crafts capable of interplanetary travel, how unlikely is it that another intelligent species in the universe has the same?

Also, why should I do all the mental lifting for someone who has only been unreasonably hostile towards me and this discussion?

>>10984189
>If you ponder these 'black projects' for a moment you will likely admit that they could very well be capable of interplanetary travel.

>>10984200
You laugh in self-defense.

>>10984202

>>10984189
>If you ponder these 'black projects' for a moment you will likely admit that they could very well be capable of interplanetary travel.
I don't believe interplanetary travel is possible for living things.
>So if humans have crafts capable of interplanetary travel, how unlikely is it that another intelligent species in the universe has the same?
Humans don't have those crafts, so none of this follows.
>Also, why should I do all the mental lifting for someone who has only been unreasonably hostile towards me and this discussion?
I'm not. I'm being scientific. I'm trying to understand what I'm looking at, just like you said.
P.S. stop putting a space between every goddamn sentence.

>>10984202
No, I would have to feel threatened for me to do something in self-defense. You're just making outrageous speculations with no reasoning and then stacking them on top of each other. Why would the US government have a black project for interplanetary travel?

>>10983742
> isn't the existence of aliens probable?
It is, but not in the way most crackpots imagine it to be.

>>10984239
It is probable that life exists outside our solar system but doesn't the word alien imply that that life has come to earth? That is improbable.

>>10984251
>doesn't the word alien imply that that life has come to earth?
no it doesn't
>That is improbable.
it's improbable (ridiculously so) that life has ever come to earth from space

>>10984253
>no it doesn't
But that's what alien means. You don't call a person living in their home country an alien. You only do so when they move.

>>10983742
All possible causes of these moving point videos:

- misleading sensor output (e.g. lens flare)
- correct sensor output:
-- they are phenomena of extraterrestrial origin
-- they are phenomena of terrestrial origin:
--- unknown natural phenomena (e.g. unknown type of ball lightning)
--- they are solid terrestrial objects:
---- secret US military objects, so secret that the rest of the military doesn't know about them
---- secret objects from another nations military, purposefully flying close to US fight jets to be seen

>>10984257
you cannot use the definition of a word to show the existence of something, what in the fuck

Guys I know it must be a small ship from that big spaceship we assumed was an asteroid. Theyz commin for us now!

>>10983823
It’s all about the views baby

>>10984288
I don't think you understand what I am saying.
To explain it better, my position is that the existence of aliens is improbable because that word implies that they are on earth. The existence of life outside our solar system is probable but those things are not aliens by the proper definition because they have not come here.

they‘re railgun projectiles

>>10984219
>Why would the US government have a black project for interplanetary travel?

You are insulting your own intelligence with such a question.

>>10984324
So no answer then, that's what I thought.

>>10984265
I doubt the natural phenomena and equipment malfunction ideas.
Natural things wouldn't move in perfect lines and it would be unlikely for multiple sets of sensors and some eyes to mess up all at once.
If they were US projects they would deny them.
Another countries or some tech company seems the best explanation for me. If you deny you saw the object another country can release images of your navy ship and make you look like an idiot.

>>10983742
UFOs used to be taken somewhat seriously before Mars and Venus were shown to be lifeless. Now it's seen as paranormal because there is no scientific way for a little saucer to fly across the galaxy. Even saucers from Mars was a stretch, you'd need some pretty way out nuclear propulsion tech to be able to SSTO in and out of Earth from Mars.
>>10983810
Wasn't this debunked as jet exhaust?
>>10984125
Official UFO reports like Blue Book were scientific. It's a myth that ufology can't be scientific, the science was done and they were shown to have no proof of existence.
>>10984189
MAYBE there's a black project SSTO out there but it's unlikely they have anything interplanetary because the laws of rocketry say that an interplanetary vehicle must be fuckhuge. This would be hard to hide.
>>10984169
Some secret tech. Immediately spotted and filmed the first time it flew over the US.

>>10984189
>If you ponder these 'black projects' for a moment you will likely admit that they could very well be capable of interplanetary travel.
You only think this because you are a certifiable retard, the laws of physics dont change because your project is secret. Any interplanetary vehicle needs to be absolutely fucking massive. Stop trying to break the entire paradigm of reality, start small. Maybe learn how to write and format a proper paragraph.

>>10984393
t. brainlet

The more mass you have, the more energy you must put into something to accelerate it to high speeds. Unmanned reconnaissance probes are therefore expected to be very light and probably tiny. Just a hint: Breakthrough Starshot.

>>10984459
And also, even a massive spaceship (like Oumoumou?) can have smaller probes on board.

>>10984373
>>10984393

>How could a galley cross the great ocean in the West? There would be no way for the rowers to rest ashore each night! Besides, the winds and storms are far too strong. We shall never traverse such an ocean, it is beyond all practical limitations.

In a universe where our understanding of physics is split between Einstein and quantum physics, where our model of the universe explains around 1% of the universe's observed mass, how can you be so sure that interstellar travel is impossible?

In 1890 we thought the same things. Our understanding of the universe was broadly accurate. All we had to do was fix up a few issues with the aether model and everything would click into place.

>>10984516
Plausible alien visitation scenario - cryostasis on a fusion rocket powered mothership. This has to be huge, we would see it coming easily and why would they spend their lives on a journey here just to fuck around in some farmer's field?
>>10984459
breakthrough star shot is a meme because there is no way to slow down at the destination.

Only two UFO cases I couldn't find a convincing debunk of; the Levelland case and the Griefswald lights. Both could possibly be some sort of electrical plasma phenomenon we don't know about like ball lightning (glowing orb disabling cars) so I think UFOs are still worth studying for that reason.

>>10983742
armies from all world acknowledge their existence and keep periodical sighting reports of them, some release it to the public and others not though, but it is enough to prove their existence

>>10984459
>Unmanned reconnaissance probes
>interstellar unmanned probes
>Somehow a probe moving at .95c explains at of the ufo sightings
>>10984475
You cant hide in space
>>10984516
People knew that oceanic travel and long distance flight were both possible because there was extant examples they could observe. There has never been any observations of ftl in any capacity and everything we do know concludes its impossible. Stop speculating with your uneducated intuition and educate yourself, seriously PBS even has youtube videos that spoonfeed you this.

>>10984598
Perhaps you could slow down with a large enough solar sail.

>>10984737
That's not how solar sails work.

>>10984712

I see my error now. Nothing we thought categorically impossible has ever happened before, you're very correct. Our understanding of physics is ironclad, there's absolutely no way to manipulate space in such a way as to shorten distances or otherwise circumvent the light speed barrier. Completely impossible. Similarly, our understanding of wormhole physics is so sophisticated that we can rule out any possibility of them being used for FTL travel. Exotic matter is just the same, there's no way it could be used. And this knowledge obviously extends to civilizations with vast amounts of resources and AI.

>>10984738
They reflect the energy from a star, and create momentum in the opposite direction. A large enough solar sail could slow down the craft as it approached the destination star. It would work well if you are willing to wait a long time, sending slow craft out.

>>10984737
that would be one massive solar sail you'd need to slow down from 20% the speed of light

>>10984098
dude, there has been countless testimonies from pilots describing more or less the same thing, and they always describe how these things literally speed up to fantastic speeds in the blink of an eye, how they pull maneuvers that would tear apart any normal aircraft and so on

there is no way that these are "unknown flights".

>>10984769
Just sent a slower probe.

>>10984778
>countless testimonies from pilots

>>10984755
As that other anon said, I'll believe it when I see it in nature. The Alcubierre drive is just a mathematical solution, it has no basis in reality.
>>10984757
Okay but now this sail is so huge you've defeated the original purpose of having a tiny easily accelerated craft.

>>10984786
That kind of defeats the point of the entire project

>>10984790
go look up where he term "foo fighters" comes from
oh wait, the gubamint had seekrit jet, noiseless, smokeless aircraft in 1945 capable of pulling 10+ g's in the blink of an eye

>>10984778
eyewitness accounts are trash. the only reason why I still have any shred of interest in UFOs is because some show up on radar.

>>10984801
If it's a secret why do you know about it? And if you know about it why don't you prove it?

>>10984804
eyewitness accounts from people who fly for a living are definitely worthy of at least listening, SPECIALLY when multiple people report seeing more or less the same thing over and over and over

>>10984801
St Elmo's Fire.

>>10984810
Nope, qualified people make mistakes too.

>>10984810
>SPECIALLY when multiple people report seeing more or less the same thing over and over and over
Actually it's the opposite, Once something becomes a well known tale it is less credible unless actual evidence surfaces. Like mermaids.

IMO, if the thing in the video actually is of non-human intelligent origin, it's not extraterrestrials, but something more advanced. Any alien spacecraft visiting earth would have easily been detected, so this thing might be extradimensional. Still, this is /x/ territory and shouldn't be discussed here.

>>10984794
Negative, good sir. I would invite you to read up on your Zel'dovich. Negative energy states can most assuredly be achieved, such as what happens when you spin Bose-Einstein Condensates fast.

>>10984077
>>10984092
They're only blurry because they were converted to a digital format and copied a hundred times.

They original tapes are probably very good quality.
Either way one of the pilots said he got within a half mile of one. That he and his wingmen clearly saw it. tic-tac shaped, white, about 40ft long in clear skies over open ocean

>>10984850
Alternatively, there's been very stealthy probes on Earth for a long time. The objects might be temporary constructs they use for specific missions.

I've been visiting 4cha since only 3 months ago. Why is there so much hostility here? Why all the unnecessary agression? Is it necesary to insult somebody if one disagrees with him? Isn't science about cooperation and healthy competition?

>>10984914
>They original tapes are probably very good quality.
>probably
Ok, so lets see them.

>>10983745
kys
>>10983742
because likely to exist does not imply likely to be visiting earth

Isn't more likely that this is super-advanced human tech than that it's alien tech?

>>10984989
Stop being a bitch and dont take what random ppl say on the internet personally and you'll get it

>>10984778
>skunkworks wants to test their new drones
> lets have it approach some regular military pilots so we can see if our RAM works or not
> pilots freak out , see aircraft but nothing on radar
> report it , skunkworks people laughing in secret.

>>10983742
>Isn't the existence of aliens probable?
Actully no, sayz I.
No one really knows because any calculation is based on tons of assumptions of unknowns. Such as: the odds of organic life starting from inorganics. Anyone who thinks they can test that is fooling themselves, and depending on how you do the math, humans should be less likely to happen than one time every 2300xx... universe, or using different assumptions it should be super common.
And I am just scratching the surface here of unknowns
.>>10984077
UFO does not mean alien son, it means unknown craft, which the military are interested in so they shoot the right enemy (maybe hostile or friendly or nutural)

its a good way to cover up secret military projects.

>>10983742
Can someone explain what makes the UFO's in this video so special?
They look like normal aircraft to me.

>>10983742
>Isn't the existence of aliens probable?
The existence of extraterrestrial life is most likely probable.
Thats still a far fucking hop from Ayy Lmaos in flying saucers.

Its not aliens.
Its not secret government tech.

It turns out, its just some camera a glare
from the IR light source rotating because of the GIMBAL the camera is mounted on:
https://www.metabunk.org/nyt-gimbal-video-of-u-s-navy-jet-encounter-with-unknown-object.t9333/

Reality is boring huh? The other Nimitz video's have similar explanations, just check out his Youtube.

If you're looking for an actual scientific study of UFOs, read Hynek.

>>10983742
General question: could the pilots see the "Gimbal", "FLIR" and "Go Fast" objects with their naked eye? Or just on the display?

>>10983742
>1688
time travel confirmed too

>>10986365
I lile the part about the slave

>>10986193
Of course they could. One even flew right past them, during the sightings “Go Fast” is from. That’s from the USS Theodore Roosevelt a few years ago whereas FLIR is from Nimitz in 2004

>>10986370
Source? I have seen nothing confirming this.

>>10984135
>Also, nobody in this thread is telling anyone what it is, rather we are observing a strange phenomenon and trying to understand it. That's science.


Cool. If that is the case, you might want to start off with looking at some of the discussion of the three military vids on MetaBunk. Mike West also has some interesting analysis on his YT channel.

You may find all of that helpful in your attempts to understand.

>>10985713
>Can someone explain what makes the UFO's in this video so special?
Nope.

>They look like normal aircraft to me.
Hmmmmm...

>>10986608
His ass.

>>10983742
That's one of these babies viewed from below, aligned so it's traveling up and to the right in that picture

>>10986660
except it's travelling to the left in the video and rotates un-naturally to the point where one of the pilots exclaims 'it's rotating!'

>>10986683
https://youtu.be/ka_bX9Hx1H0

>>10986692
fair point and your video does look pretty convincing, especially as the horizon appears to jitter slightly at the same time as the rotation. But why would an experienced pilot mistake the camera rotation for the rotation of the object?

>>10986708
Not that shocking for the pilot, being caught up in the moment, to forget some of the optical illusions his equipment can produce.

Here you can see it better:
https://youtu.be/4Btns91W5J8

>>10986683
Okay. Then it's a russian plane with special stealth masking technology currently unmatched by the mericans. Sort of buzzing out all the means of identification through various directed signalling

>>10986749
>Hur dur russia has cylindrical planes that fly without any jets or propellers

The coping of alien deniers is goddamn astounding

>>10986608
>Source? I have seen nothing confirming this.

https://www.livescience.com/65585-ufo-sightings-us-pilots.html

>>10986780
>cylindrical planes that fly without any jets or propellers
How can you tell the shape and lack of jet from IR glare? If anything the IR glare implies a jet. The inability of UFOtards to stop making shit up is astounding.

>>10986780
No. I'm saying it's a normal plane. With a technology that prevents other planes from identifying it with their cameras etc

>>10986804
>How can you tell the shape and lack of jet from IR glare?

Thats how the pilots described them on the Nimitz and Roosevelt. Presumably, they used these weird sensory organs we call eyeballs.
>If anything the IR glare implies a jet.

>>10986786
Nowhere does this say anything was seen with seen with the naked eye. In fact it says once pilot could only see something on radar and IR. So once again UFOtards lie.

>>10986805
>Normal plane
>Goes 3,900 Kph
>Goes underwater

K dude whatever helps you sleep at night. I’m sure the ayys aren’t going to kill you so I have no idea what you’re so afraid of

>>10986813
>Nowhere does this say anything was seen with seen with the naked eye.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E46nUf2r4EQ

No one is lying but you.

>>10986810
>Thats how the pilots described them on the Nimitz and Roosevelt.
What did they describe?

>Presumably
Presumably you aren't going to base your argument on baseless assumptions, but that's what you're doing.

>>10986829
>What did they describe?

“ a large bright white Tic Tac 30 to 46 feet (9.1 to 14.0 m) long”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E46nUf2r4EQ

>>10986826
>oops I got caught lying about what my source said
>better post a guy from a different ship to try to confuse people
You're so pathetic.

>>10986835
But we're talking about GIMBAL, and no tic tac was caught on video.

>>10986835
Interview with the same guy

https://youtu.be/EDj9ZZQY2kA

Tucker Carlson is in it so watch out

>>10986817
>>Goes 3,900 Kph
>>Goes underwater
Please show me how this is known

>inb4 he just made this up

>>10986847
I don’t see why GIMBAL is worth talking about since we don’t actually know when or where that was filmed. GO FAST is from 2015 and FLIR1 is the Nimitz footage.

>>10986852
>u-uhhhhh he’s lying if it were true my worldview would collapse reeeee

>>10986846
Nope, I just mixed them up.
You’re pathetic.

>>10986856
>I don’t see why GIMBAL is worth talking about since we don’t actually know when or where that was filmed.
Then why are you making baseless claims about it??? >>10986683 >>10986780

>>10986861
>he just made it up
Wow, it's like I'm psychic.

>>10986873
First one isn’t me. Wasn’t sure what video you guys were talking about. GIMBAL is interesting to me but much less so since there’s zero context to it, unlike GO FAST and FLIR1

>>10986867
Ah so you only lied about the livescience article and then mixed up two UFO incidents even though you are an expert on UFOs who somehow knows how fast and what shape they are, that's much better.

>>10986886
We know what shape they are and how fast they are because pilots saw them, silly.

Deny all you want I guess

>>10986875
You really aren’t, just a denialist.
You hate anything that challenges your worldview

>>10983742
Since when was UFO a synonym for alien?

>>10986888
Pilots supposedly believed "Go Fast" was flying fast when it wasn't, so that means jack shit.

>>10986890
Actually I just hate liars.

>>10983810
>I'm not saying it's out of the question that the things shown in those videos might be - say - machine drones made by extraterrestrials, but is there really strong evidence available to the public that say's it's like that rather than a US or foreign military black project?
AATIP, the pentagon program for studying UFOs, concluded that the videos are not American or foreign craft. That was the first question they intended to solve.

>>10983823
UAP/UFO are basically synonomous.
What makes this case interesting that the military has not come out and said "It's a weather balloon!", "it's swamp gas!!", "it's a meteorite!" like they have done for the past 70 years.
The Navy has been studying these videos for years and still haven't reached a conclusion for what they are.

>>10987308
^ Don't waste your time with this poster, he goes into every UFO thread and shits it up with pure autism.
Argues in bad faith and sets arbitrary standards for which he wouldn't set for another subject.

>>10986951
It's not, but what we do know from pilot testimony, radar data, and AATIP
1) These craft demonstrated capabilities beyond our own
2) There were dozens of them, often flying in formation
3) AATIP concluded that the 3 videos do not show foreign or American craft
Make what you will from that, but those are the facts.

They are not fucking aliens. They have always been us. The nuts and bolts are just cutting edge science. Crazy things happen when you get certain shit really cold. Even crazier shit happens when you spin the really cold shit really fast. Like negative energy states that can be utilized for thrust in a positively curved space. Or maybe use your negative energy field to manipulate the space/time metrics to alter the permissivity and permeability of the quantum vacuum to "move the goal posts" and alter the apparent value of c up or down. After all, photons really propagate through energy exchanges of virtual particle pairs, much like Cooper pairs in a superconductor. It's basically this. Physics as you know it is BS. Einstein, Godel, and Von Neumann got together in 1936 at the IAS in Stanford and for this whole thing started. The first mediums were superfluid Helium-4, as if has a superstate transition where it can be superfluid and superconductive simultaneously.

Later mediums were other dilute quantum gases of metals like rubidium, cesium, lithium, sodium, etc. cooled by lasers to form a Bose Einstein Condesate. The ones now are apparently solid crystalline medium. The rotating mercury BS has some kernel of truth.

>>10987754
They're not aliens and they're not us.
They're extra-dimensionals/ultra-terrestrials
They've always been with us, from the very beginning.

It's not anti-gravity, it's anti-inertia. It's based on Mach's thought experiment of how you would determine velocity/inertia is you were alone in the universe with no relative body to compare your position against. How fast would you be going?
Long story short, physics is sort of wrong. You really can't go FTL, but you can engineer the quantum vacuum to alter the value of C up. This is what Lijun Wang with the NEC research facility at Princeton found. This is the essence of something like a negative refractive index metamaterial.

>>10987783
That's total bullshit. It's all made the fuck up. The US government has been at this for a long time. Put the UFO sightings on a timeline from Roswell on. UFOs used to wobble when they would hover or land. Now they don't. Better media, contra-rotsting annuli provided better stabilization, and better magnetic confinement fields fixed it. Malfunctions used to irradiate everyone and everything around. Now, not so much. Maybe better isomer batteries? Also, think about where they have been seen. The Belgian Wave for example. What's in Belgium? NATO Supreme Allied Command, that's what. It just happened to occur around the acceleration of the collapse of the Soviet Union.

>>10987795
>Put the UFO sightings on a timeline from Roswell on.
You're just ignorant buddy, but I don't blame you, this subject is extrema cluttered and filled with lies, psyops, and confusion.
UFO sightings and alien abductions (in many cases exactly as those from Roswell onwards) predate Roswell by thousands of years. There's an entire book written on UFO encounters that predate the era of man made flying vehicles.
Pic related.
Read it.

>>10987795
>>10987798
>In Wonders in the Sky, respected researchers Jacques Vallee and Chris Aubeck examine more than 500 selected reports of sightings from biblical-age antiquity through the year 1879-the point at which the Industrial Revolution deeply changed the nature of human society, and the skies began to open to airplanes, dirigibles, rockets, and other opportunities for misinterpretation represented by military prototypes. Using vivid and engaging case studies, and more than seventy-five illustrations, they reveal that unidentified flying objects have had a major impact not only on popular culture but on our history, on our religion, and on the models of the world humanity has formed from deepest antiquity.

>>10987799
I'm not discounting that it could have happened, it's just not likely for the current waves. There is plenty of science to back all this up, it's just spread out between disciplines, particularly condensed matter physics. If aliens were visiting us, why do they suck so bad at flying. Why have they not used their advanced technology/weaponry to make themselves known? A consequence of running this speculated drive system allows you to pull virtual particle pairs (i.e. positrons) directly from the QV. Would make a mofo of a weapon. The tic-tacs are plasma sheathes around more conventional airframes. The plasma can be used to reflect radar, provide drag reduction, and serve as a virtual wing form. The black triangles are the really crazy shit. I think most people grossly underestimate what happens when you get a bunch of really smart folks together and throw an almost unlimited amount of money at them.

>>10987811
>If aliens were visiting us, why do they suck so bad at flying.
I already told you, it's not aliens.
Whatever "they" are, they aren't coming from different planets.
Read Jacque's Valle's paper, 5 arguments against the extra-terrestrial hypothesis, and then his triology (Dimensions, Confrontations, and Revalations). J. Allen Hynek, the scientist who led the official government investigation into UFOs, project bluebook, and who was an ardent skeptic in the beginning, came to the same conclusion as Vallee. UFO's are real and they're connected to a number of different phenomanona that we call the "paranormal". The UFO phenomana is a lot more complicated than just physical craft. You can't examine one part while ignoring the others, this what you (people who think it's man-made tech) and people who support the extra-terrestrial hypothesis are doing, you are fitting the data to your explanation.

Paper
https://www.scientificexploration.org/docs/4/jse_04_1_vallee_2.pdf
Summary
Five specific arguments articulated here contradict the ETH:
>(1) unexplained close encounters are far more numerous than required for any physical survey of the earth;
>(2) the humanoid body structure of the alleged “aliens” is not likely to have originated on another planet and is not biologically adapted to space travel;
>(3) the reported behavior in thousands of abduction reports contradicts the hypothesis of genetic or scientific experimentation on humans by an advanced race;
>(4) the extension of the phenomenon throughout recorded human history demonstrates that UFOs are not a contemporary phenomenon; and
>(5) the apparent ability of UFOs to manipulate space and time suggests radically different and richer alternatives, three of which are proposed in outline form as a conclusion to this paper.

I get your point, but there is purposeful misdirection all the time. Edgar Fouch is totally full of shit, but he got part of it right? Did someone leak him some bullshit to throw folks off? Or Dr. Eric W. Davis. Davis does serious research. He also writes bullshit papers for the DIA for misinformation. I would argue at least number 5 is not out of the realm of the current state of the art. There is a lot of white world research at universities around the country that demonstrate these possibilities, such as U of Washington's discover of apparent negative energy states derived from a rotating Bose Einstein Condesate.

>>10987852
The most interesting UFO cases aren't even from America.

>>10987811
>why do they suck so bad at flying.

Why do you think they suck at flying? What about the videos suggests that?

>Why have they not used their advanced technology/weaponry to make themselves known?

Uh....isn’t annoying aircraft carriers on purpose making themselves known? They’ve never shot at anyone so they must be neutral or benevolent

>>10987308
>Pilots supposedly believed "Go Fast" was flying fast when it wasn't

Who cares how fast it flew?

For aynone interested, this the conclusions reached by the head scientist of Project Bluebook, a U.S. government study with the purpose of debunking the UFO phenomenon, after decades of studying the issue. Initially he was a skeptic and debunker, but the more time he spent looking at the evidence, the more he began to doubt his initial position.

>In 1977, at the First International UFO Congress in Chicago, Hynek presented his thoughts in his speech "What I Really Believe About UFOs". "I do believe", he said, "that the UFO phenomenon as a whole is real, but I do not mean necessarily that it's just one thing.
>We must ask whether the diversity of observed UFOs ... all spring from the same basic source, as do weather phenomena, which all originate in the atmosphere", or whether they differ "as a rain shower differs from a meteor, which in turn differs from a cosmic-ray shower." We must not ask, Hynek said, simply which hypothesis can explain the most facts, but rather which hypothesis can explain the most puzzling facts.[13]

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>>10987947
>Regarding hypotheses of extraterrestrial intelligence (ETI) and extradimensional intelligence (EDI), Hynek continued, "There is sufficient evidence to defend both". As evidence for the ETI hypothesis, he mentioned the cases involving radar as good evidence of something solid, as well as the cases of physical evidence. Then he turned to defending the EDI hypothesis: in addition to the observations of materialization and dematerialization, he cited the "poltergeist" phenomenon experienced by some people after a close encounter; the photographs of UFOs, sometimes in only one frame, and not seen by witnesses; the changing of form in front of witnesses; the puzzling question of telepathic communication; that in close encounters of the third kind, the creatures seem to be at home in Earth's gravity and atmosphere; the sudden stillness in the presence of the craft; levitation of cars or people; and the development by some of psychic abilities after an encounter. "Do we have two aspects of one phenomenon or two different sets of phenomena?" Hynek asked.[14]

>Finally, he introduced a third hypothesis. "I hold it entirely possible", he said, "that a technology exists, which encompasses both the physical and the psychic, the material and the mental. There are stars that are millions of years older than the sun. There may be a civilization that is millions of years more advanced than man's. We have gone from Kitty Hawk to the moon in some seventy years, but it's possible that a million-year-old civilization may know something that we don't ... I hypothesize an 'M&M' technology encompassing the mental and material realms. The psychic realms, so mysterious to us today, may be an ordinary part of an advanced technology."[15]

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>>10987902
And if you reference the locations and/or dates, it tells you something. They are are near US military bases or joint facilities operated by the US and a Five-Eyes nation. The South African ones can be explained simply because it is an important strategic point. There is actually an Operation Enduring Freedom - Horn of Africa run by AFRICOM in Djibouti. They also correlate to the start of US involvement in the Somalian civil war. The sightings in Great Britain are probably because they help us operate and maintain them. Same with Australia. We already share our nuclear weapons designs with the British government, so why not this? Rendelsham was probably a drive failure like Keksburg. They also ramp way up in the 40's, as discoveries like superfluid helium, advances in computation driven by nuclear weapons research (i.e. hydrodynamics), and leaps in material sciences allowed more and better applications of the underlying technology.

>>10987947
You're somewhat misrepresenting Hyek, who was only a consultant and "merely" an astronomer who is not an expert on anything he talkes about in what you've posted. The CIA panel he took part in later, which "included various physicists, meteorologists, and engineers" who concluded "concluded that most UFO reports had prosaic explanations, and that all could be explained with further investigation, which they deemed not worth the effort".

>>10987927
>"go fast" object was not going fast
Then it could be a weather balloon or something else mundane. Do you care about that?

>>10987955
>The CIA panel he took part in later,
You mean the CIA panel which declassified documents reveal was intended to kill the publics interest in UFO's? It was not an objective panel, it was a psy-op, and Hynek said as much about it, he also the said the same of blue-book. They were expected to debunk, they weren't expected to discover the truth.

>>10987960
No, I only care about feeling like I know something that everyone else doesn't.
My belief in UFOs is an ego trip that I will never adequately defend, retreating behind vague statements to cover for the fact that I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about.
I mean, I'm just asking questions man.

>>10987926
>Because they crash all the fucking time. What's more likely: Aliens flew billions of miles to crash in Roswell or some experimental aircraft from Kirtland AFB shit the bed?
>I might annoy aircraft carriers as practical evaluations of things like radar cross section and probability of detection. Maybe they just fuck with them because it's fun.

>>10987960
"Go fast" is from 2014 - 2015 USS Roosevelt incident. This incident lasted more than 6 months and involved over a hundred personel, who either directly witnessed UFOs or saw them on radar. The Roosevelt battlegroup encountered UFO's on a daily basis, often times for hours at a time. According to some of the pilots that came forward, there were 3 types of UFOs, a disc-like UFO (like in the GIMBAL video), small oval shaped UFO's (like in "GO FAST"), and small squares with circles inside them, that were completely see-through.
According to one of the pilots from the GIMBAL video, a dozen smaller UFO's appeared behing the larger GIMBAL UFO, following it in formation, before they vanished (physically and on radar).
We also know from recent revalations that "Go fast" and "GIMBAL" were both filmed on the same day, less than an hour between each other.

Does any of this sound like a weather balloon or something mundane? Not me. The burden of proof is on you.

>>10987961
>You mean the CIA panel which declassified documents reveal was intended to kill the publics interest in UFO's?
..because they considered UFO obsession to be a national security issue, in that it meant people would attribute what could be legitimate threats to national security (russkie weapons/spy ships) to space aliens and not react accordingly.
>It was not an objective panel
And your evidence for this was that they debunked everything, disagreeing with your viewpoint. Its funny that the only member of the CIA panel that disagreed with its findings was the member least qualified to actually hold an informed opinion on the subject, who later went on to sell a number of books based on his involvement.

>>10987964
It's not retarded. They for sure exist, it's just not aliens in the cockpit. Gary McKinnon really did find things he wasn't supposed to. NASA apparently had some NIPR net stuff on an unsecured terminal. The bulk of our "UFO" program is supposed to be run by the Navy as a special access program. The actual reason for Space Force is probably to unify all of the different programs running parallel across the different branches of the military and maybe some three letter agencies like the NRO, DIA, or NGIA.

>>10987966
p.s.
Many of the pilots are also Aeronautical engineers. They're not fucking retards, they know how aircraft work, they know what is and isn't an aircraft, etc.

>>10987969
Now ask yourself where the "UFO obsession" came from. All you're doing here is making descriptions, you're not getting into the why.

>>10987964
Somebody whose mind isn't made up would care is what I'm saying.
>>10987966
>and small squares with circles inside them, that were completely see-through.
According to one of the pilots from the GIMBAL video, a dozen smaller UFO's appeared behing the larger GIMBAL UFO, following it in formation, before they vanished (physically and on radar).
That sounds very not-mundane. It's unfortunate there's no video of that part.

>>10987969
People forget that the Russians were going hard to get as much information as they could on the keystone American military programs like the development of thermonuclear weapons, and later, SDI. The government's disinformation machine was hard at work foiling the Ruskies and tricking the American public into believing that it was space aliens. The real truth is the scientific.foundation was laid in 1936, and the US government has been pumping money into violating (or circumnavigating) the laws of General Relatively. SDI never really stopped, the practical applications just went black.

>>10987978
If you listen to the GIMBAL video, one of the pilots says "there's a whole fleet of them". That is the same fleet that appeared and followed the larger GIMBAL UFO.

>>10987960
>Then it could be a weather balloon

Nope.

>>10987977
Why don't you ask yourself where the "living dead, vampires, demons and werewolves" obsessions came from, because its the same place.

>>10987965
Roswell was just some dumb military project with high atmosphere balloons or whatever nothing to do with the ayys

>Maybe they just fuck with them because it's fun.

Entirely believable. I often wonder how ants interpret our colossal shadows.

>>10987987
Prove it.

>>10987978
Some of those could just be conventional craft with some of the "secret sauce" systems. Plasma actuators were supposedly tested and operating on a few B-2's at Kirtland before 2000. I want to say the Spirit of Mississippi is one. You can tell by the glossy black strip across the leading edge of the aircraft; it is visible in a few photos I have seen. Boeing's entry into the JSF program wasn't so.mucb about the actual plane, but s technology demonstration of their reverse.doppler metamaterial coating. Public metamaterial research had proof of concept and applied testing for invisibility to microwaves.

>>10983742
>Why are UFOs considered to be in the realm of conspiracy theories...
Because, we are too far from the next solar system that could hold intelligent life.

>the paranormal?
Because, the very definition of "paranormal" is,
>denoting events or phenomena such as telekinesis or clairvoyance that are beyond the scope of normal scientific understanding.

>Isn't the existence of aliens probable?
Regardless of the answer, it has no bearing on such things as they pertain to our reality due to the first question being answered above.

>>10987989
>"Sailor, we've been instructed.to run readiness drill"
>"Suit up, your mission is to scare the ever living shit out of the crew of the USS Abraham Lincoln and test their response to an unknown threat"

>>10987659
>What makes this case interesting
That's not interesting though.

>>10987997
>Because, we are too far from the next solar system that could hold intelligent life.
This rests on two unfounded assumptions.
1) That UFO tech is based on the same physical principles as ours (like comparing horses to cars)
2) That ET's are coming from other planets (there are other possibilities)

>>10988000
It is. It's an unprecedented development.

>>10987991
Human beings have these things called "imaginations" and these allow people to "imagine" things that aren't real, or to assign incorrect explanations to mundane events. There exists within humanity an especially gullible section of the population that, for whatever reason, is more prone to making wild assumptions/claims, some further acting like they've gained access to "secret information" to try and spice up their boring lives, retreating behind vague statements and "You can't DISprove it" when confronted.
But these "imaginations" have over the years allowed people to come to different explanations for the things they observe in the world around them, largely influenced by their surrounding culture. People would explain things like thunder/lightning by claiming it was the will of spirits and later, gods, when in fact we now know its an explainable natural phenomena. Similarly you'll see the explanation of autism in children as the child being a replacement (the original stolen by fairies and a fairy put in its place), instead of the sign that someone is destined to lead a life of devotion to sonic the hedgehog as we now know it is today.
In conclusion, UFOs come from the same place that vampires, demons, ghosts and the female orgasm come from. They're people attempting to understand the world through their cultural lense, many of whom will double down when confronted with evidence to the contrary of their assumptions instead of rationally looking at the data available and changing their patently ridiculous explanation and having a laugh at their overactive imagination.

>>10988003
I honestly don't think that has any bearing. Science has shown that while you can move FTL, you can change the rules by screwing with the quantum vacuum, the medium through which photons really propagate, and push the speed limit up to a multiple of what we think of as the maximum speed of light. This seems to be the technological endgame for a species. There may be different methods unknown to us to manipulate the vacuum, but ultimately the ability to metric engineer the vacuum for power and propulsion effects is more than likely the terminal point of technological advance.

>>10988003
Physics, for more or less, is the same everywhere. Thinking something is coming from another planet in our solar system is absurd.

>>10988004
It isn't.

>>10988007
Maybe the old sightings, but the new ones come from Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Northrup Grumman.

>>10988011
They not people at Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Northrup Grumman?

>>10988010
>Physics, for more or less, is the same everywhere. Thinking something is coming from another planet in our solar system is absurd.
But there is levels it. People with only basic knowledge of newtonian physics can't build computers or satalites.You are assuming that our current knowledge of physics is complete, but that is clearly not the case. There could be higher levels still (and there is a lot that suggests that) to be discovered that could revolutionise our understanding of everything

>>10988010
For sure. It's not like they have special physics for aliens. It would boil down to different interpretations of the same principals. Engineering the vacuum for power and propulsion is the technological endgame. The divergence would only be in the method of power production to reach this goal.

>>10988010
>It isn't
It is. You are not as smart as you believe yourself to be.

>>10988007
So you can't actually prove it? Thought so.

>>10988019
>You are assuming that our current knowledge of physics is complete
It will never be complete, but it doesn't need to be complete. You just need to stop filling your mind with grant farming fodder and sci-fi.

>>10988023
>vacuum for power and propulsion
Sci-fi.

>>10988024
Dunning-Kruger yourself.

>>10988019
Remember from like 95-2004 that there was a whole host of revolutionary technologies on the horizon
>Metamaterials that could do crazy shit, like slow or speed up light or make things invisible to specific electromagnetic.spectrums
>Sonofusion
>Lockheed's statement that they had a working fusion reactor
>String theory
>Creation of matter waves
>Discovery of actual negative energy states
>Hypersonic aircraft
>Zero-probability intercept radar
What happened to all this shit? It didn't REALLY vanish, but I definitely stopped seeing articles in regular publications like Wired and Scientific American. Did the scientific community lose interest? Fuck no. Is there novel and/or classified applications for defense for some of this stuff? Could it have prompted the creation of new military research programs or even highlighted technology that was already operational? Absolutely.

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>>10984094
It was jet's infrared cameras and this ufo flies in very high speed so obviously aliens wouldn't be recorded perfectly. I myself asking why we don't have a high quality recordings of aliens and ufos. Maybe somewhere in the deepweb.

>>10988040
>why we don't have a high quality recordings of aliens
Because, they don't exist on Earth and have never been here.

>ufos
We do, but because, they are usually figured out as something mundane. Those that haven't been figured out just means they are mundane, just not figured out yet.

>>10988033
https://resonance.is/negative-mass-created-washington-state-university-3/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/14525245/

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0953-4075/31/8/012

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4684-2343-3_2

I would say it's definitely not sci-fi.

>>10988039
There's no money to be made in figuring out this sort of natural phenomenon.

>>10988047
>Because, they don't exist on Earth
So where exactly? the government has the high qualities?

>>10988048
>grant farming fodder

>>10988051
>So where exactly?
Meaning aliens don't exist here, nothing to do with recordings of aliens which there are also none. lol

>>10988047
>and have never been here
The idea is if an alien gets recorded by high quality camera or whatever, it immediately destroys the evidence
>>10988055
How the fuck you can't believe that advanced alien life forms don't exists? There like septillions of stars and planets out there and other universes and you don't believe in this shit? Maybe they are not interested in our shitty stupidity and your scientific discovery? That's why scientists don't make A fuzz about aliens because they always get cucked by them and they latch on us by "S-SHOW ME THE DATA I NEED DATA FIRST".

>>10987667
>1) These craft demonstrated capabilities beyond our own
You mean beyond what our governments tell us is possible.
>2) There were dozens of them, often flying in formation
And?
>3) AATIP concluded that the 3 videos do not show foreign or American craft
Irrelevant unless you can demonstrate that the AATIP are privy to the most classified information and also demonstrate that the AATIP aren't lying.
>Make what you will from that, but those are the facts.
None of these facts imply that UFOs are alien.

>>10988066
>''DATADATADATA"
>give me the "DATA"

>>10983742
UFOs are completely real, how can you be this illiterate? They also are not in the realm of fiction or whatever. It's that a thing that flies? Yes! Do you know what that thing is? No! Bam, that's a UFO.

>>10988063
>How the fuck you can't believe that advanced alien life forms don't exists?
They don't exist in our solar system and have never been here and never will. You are deluded to think otherwise. Your reading comprehension is abysmal.

>>10988052
Lol, these are old papers and the underlying physics has been better long ago. The Schwinger limit is 100%. I guarantee the DoD would disagree that Zel'Dovich is just a con-artist hunting for grants. His work on phase conjugation is the primary reason why the DoD wants r stick lasers on everything. Negative apparent energy states have been outlined in theory and not confirmed in real, repeatable experiments. Lijun Wang of Princeton has shown that the speed of light is not a true limit, as you can change the speed limit sign by passing photons through certain media, Iike a BEC or metamaterial.

>>10988076
>anon in charge of knowing what grant farming is

>>10988074
>They don't exist in our solar system and have never been here and never will
>citation my ass
First off aliens don't give a shit about us like I don't give a shit about your stupid assertions. They easily can nuke us if they want to but why would they waste precious resources just because of some ant? Maybe they "checked" our shitty solar system viewed our places and fucked off immediately. Maybe aliens really did visited us but we never fucking saw them. So zero evidence for your "aliens are nonexistent in our solar system" shit since they already were here and got uninterested immediately.

>>10988047
>Because, they don't exist on Earth and have never been here.
But you're wrong.

>>10988033
>It will never be complete, but it doesn't need to be complete. You just need to stop filling your mind with grant farming fodder and sci-fi.
What's that? You have no counter argument after your assumption got BTFO? Just have the balls to admit you're full of shit and speculating, stop pretending like there's a veneer of scientific credibility in what you're saying. You are much dumber than you think.

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>>10988088
Holy fuck. Take your meds.

>>10988066
I actually know a guy that I am certain knows all about this shit. He enrolled in the USAF after getting an engineering degree and an internship at a big aerospace contractor. He spent his 20 as a flight test engineer at Edwards AFB. His final rank was major. He currently does PM and consultation for a number of defense contractors and 3 letter agencies. I know for a fact he works with the NRO. The general that heads up fucking Space Force met with him just last week. He knows actually knows Robert Forward, Eric Davis, James Woodward, and a bunch of other names I know from spending a lot of time looking into this sort of stuff. My conversations with him have led me to believe that the DoD has capabilities that few can imagine. They are kept from the public because some aspects of the drive systems can be utilized as a terrifying weapon.

>>10987927
>We know what shape they are and how fast they are because pilots saw them, silly.
>Who cares how fast it flew?

>>10988066
>You mean beyond what our governments tell us is possible
We'd know by now if it was possible, the physics would be out and being taught to students. Now you have to prove that they are lying. Burden of proof is on you.
Good luck.

>>10988091
You got BTFO. Accept it and grow a pair of balls, dumb pussy.

>>10988091
Dude saying that "only retarded life forms outside planet earth exist" is like saying lions eat trees. It's IMPOSSIBLE

>>10987662
>gets caught lying over and over again
>accuses others of arguing in bad faith
You must think the people reading this thread are incredibly stupid.

>>10988100
Dude, stop pretending to be smarter than you are. If I knew you in rl, this is the time I'd call you out and bully you for being such a try hard.

>>10987657
>AATIP, the pentagon program for studying UFOs, concluded that the videos are not American or foreign craft.
This is either a lie or indicates extreme incompetency in the program. I bet it's the former.

>>10988105
Burden of proof is on you.
I'll wait for you to prove it. I mean, you do have proof right? You're not just speculating, right?

>>10987659
>What makes this case interesting that the military has not come out and said "It's a weather balloon!", "it's swamp gas!!", "it's a meteorite!" like they have done for the past 70 years.
Anyone who knows the history of military UFOs would know this is false.

>The Navy has been studying these videos for years
Says who?

It's really funny how UFOtards just can't stop making shit up.

>>10988094
You're logic is pathetically flawed because you ignore the concepts of classified information and treason.

>>10987667
>It's not, but what we do know from pilot testimony, radar data, and AATIP
>1) These craft demonstrated capabilities beyond our own
Please explain the evidence for this.

>>10988110
Your argument is nothing more than "I believe they are lying/hiding, therefore, they are". Yes classified projects exist and have existed. But screaming "classified!" does not mean it is.

>>10988111
Radar data and reputable witness testimony from different sources that corroborate each other.

>>10988094
A lot of this actually comes from research programs at universities like Penn State, Rice, UT Austin, Princeton, Harvard, Arizona State. A lot it is funded by grants from AFRL, NRL, ARL, DoE, etc. The problem is two-fold. First, they only have a small part in a much larger project. It's not like Penn State has a class where they work oncreating a positronium beam directly from the vacuum. But, they might have a program running to find the best way to amplify a surface plasmon polariton. That might tie into a project a UC Boulder involving the creation of matter waves from ultra cold gases of alkali metals. Those findings might be applied to the optical phase conjugation work for laser beam correction an LANL. Second, projects related directly to defense research are generally not published in public journals and students involved have to sign NDAs and maintain a clearance.

>>10988112
>Your argument is nothing more than "I believe they are lying/hiding, therefore, they are".
No. My argument is that them lying about man made UFOs is more likely than them lying about aliens, which is actually your argument. In other words, you're just projecting your own argument as a misinterpretation of mine.
>Yes classified projects exist and have existed. But screaming "classified!" does not mean it is.
Yes classified information exists and has existed. But screaming "aliens are classified!" does not mean they exist.

>>10984067
I wish that were true. Hard headed skeptics will not listen to reason or evidence.

>>10988063
>How the fuck you can't believe that advanced alien life forms don't exists? There like septillions of stars and planets out there and other universes and you don't believe in this shit?
The only thing we know for sure about the probability of life developing on a planet is that it's greater than zero.

>>10988130
Well of course it's possible for more developing/advanced life forms

>>10988125
What's even more retarded is that this alien bullshit is so ingrained in the public psyche that the possibility that we are responsible for these crafts is completely discounted as "crazy". The more I understand about the real nuts and bolts of what makes UFO's go, the more I understand why this will probably never be revealed. There exists the possibility for use as a terrifying weapon. Apparently, once someone learns the basics of what makes these craft go, it's fairly trivial to weaponize it. When Trump was talking about using a weapon more powerful than nukes, he's more than likely referring to this very thing.

>>10986890
Any rational person would either provide evidence when his claims are challenged or would change them. Instead, you whine about how no one is gullibly swallowing your religious dogma.

>>10983742
Because the groups of people most vocal about UFOs or UAPs are usually couching their claims in the realms of very improbable events ("It must be ayys with a reactionless drive come here to Erf to probe anuses") or the paranormal. The existence of aliens has so far not be confirmed in any meaningful manner, and there's a lot of argument about the probability of the existence of intelligent life because so far we still haven't had any signs that it exists near us (near in an interstellar sense) like signals or observable constructs, and the statistics of the Drake equation are nebulous because you could plug literally thousands of variables into it to alter the results. If an object like this is described to be (a high albedo pill or cylindrical objects roughly 40 feet in length) had approached Earth from space I think it highly likely it would have been picked up long before it actually entered the atmosphere. It is very small, but it's highly regular shape and abnormally high albedo would have made it proportionately much easier to spot than say a space rock of equivalent size. As a result I'd guess it's Earth based, on top of that if it is an object that's actually accelerating to super or hypersonic speeds on a dime then even if it does have some kind of reactionless drive that could propel it without needing to exhaust a jet of something in the opposite direction it should still create enormous friction heating and shockwaves, especially if it's flying at lower altitudes above water. Since none of these effects are described my guess would just be that since the object is so incongruous with reality, it's physical description is probably just a lie and the blob of heat visible in the thermal imager is probably the exhaust of a very conventional but unknown man-made vehicle, probably an experimental missile. I'd guess it's a missile with an agile first stage and hypersonic terminal stage booster or something like that.

One of the leaked emails between Delonge and Podesta, there's others were they talk about retrieved bodies.

Even if super-advanced class I alien civilizations exist, the likelihood of them being able to utilize FTL travel is ludicrously based on every foundation of our current knowledge. All knowledge of physics basically from the ground up would have to be invalid if massive particles could travel at FTL speeds, and the argument that "our knowledge is limited" is much weaker and based on extreme speculation that at some point in the future, we will discover some funky physics rendering all prior knowledge invalid. With every discovery we make, the less likely this baseless speculation becomes, as even the quantum physics didn't spontaneously render all prior physics knowledge invalid, e.g. Newtonian mechanics are still basically valid to this day in spite of all recent advances.

>>10988179
The leaked emails between Delonge and Podesta, which mention people such as Macasland, prove that certain people know aliens exist.

>>10988181
1) They are travelling by other means (worm holes)
or
2) They are not from other planets.

>>10988114
I asked you to explain how radar data, witness testimony and AATIP show advanced capabilities and you just say "radar data and witness testimony." Why are you avoiding the question?

>>10988190
Why are you expecting me to spoon feed you an explanation of the both encounters? This information has been out for ages, fuck off faggot.

>>10988106
>make claim about what AATIP concluded
>provide no proof
>somehow the burden of proof is on the person who didn't make the claim
>oh and by the way prove a negative
Are you a pathological liar? You refuse to provide evidence for the simplest claims and then try to avoid responsibility.

>>10988179
>this is 100% not fake btw

>>10988201
Confirmed by Luis Elizondo and Harry Reid.
It's not my fault you lack information, everything I've said can be verified by some quick googling, but we both know you won't accept the information because you are a religious denier, so this is the last (you) you get from me, fanatic.

>>10988202
We know they're not fake.
Time for you to prove they are.
Go on. I'll wait.

>>10988212
>the burden of proof is on you lol the singer of Blink 182 is highly credible I swear lol

>>10988213
1) These leaks are from wikileaks, who have an impeccabable track record
2) There are multiple corroborating emails
3) We know Macasland is connected to people like Steve Justice and others who work at Tom Delonge's company
4) These emails got leaked during the 2016 campaign and were verified by news sources as real emails, causing a massive shitstorm for the Hillary Clinton campaign.
Now I'll wait for you to prove they are fake.
I mean, you have evidence, right? You're not just calling them fake because you don't like what they say, right? You are being rational and objective, and not emotional, right?

>>10988213
>>10988216
We also know Tom Delonge met Podesta in person, around the time this leak occured.

>>10988216
None of that is relevant to Delonge being full of shit. His company is a scam. The burden of proof is not on me, retard.

>>10988222
>None of that is relevant to Delonge being full of shit. His company is a scam.
Uhh, prove it.
The burdern of proof IS on you.

>>10988222
Apologise to Tom Delonge, RIGHT NOW.

>>10988224
1) Delonge is straight up scientifically illiterate. Feel free to listen to him make an absolute fool of himself on JRE. Him running what purports to be a school of the sciences is laughable
2) To the Stars Academy has provided no evidence of extraterrestrial life since its inception, despite taking in thousands and thousands of dollars of donations from gullible retards like yourself (I really, really hope you don't donate to them LMAO)
3) The supposed experts that TtSA lists are mostly bogus

I have demonstrated his company is a scam. Now you can demonstrate that Delonge isn't full of shit.

>>10988208
>Confirmed by Luis Elizondo
You mean the guy who lied about leading AATIP? LOL.

Please show me where either of them claim advanced capabilities and what their evidence is.

>>10988226
>UFOs
Unaccounted-for infrared artifacts are no evidence of extraterrestrial life, anon.

>>10988230
>I have demonstrated his company is a scam
No you haven't, you've demonstrated your opinion. I'll wait 5 more minutes for you to provide evidence.

>>10988238
The fact that TtSA has not provided evidence is not an opinion, it is a fact.

>>10988232
>You mean the guy who lied about leading AATIP? LOL.
He did. According to Harry Reid, the main senator who started the program, and to Hal Puthoff, one of the phycisists who worked for AATIP, and to the New York Times, who vetted him. It all comes down to who you want to believe, the people actually involved with AATIP and a world class news organisation, or a government spokesperson who had nothing to do with it.
>>10988234
>I'm smarter than the navy, I know what it is, even though they don't!!!
WOW, WHAT A FUCKING GENIUS, TELL US MORE, OH GREAT ONE.

>>10988246
The navy never once called the inscrutable monochromatic blob ET you fuckin retard.

>>10988244
>Proven connections with the cream of the crop in the military, aerospace industry, and intelligence community
>Released unclassified videos of UAPs, which are corroborated by hundreds of highly trained, intelligent, and sound minded professionals, whose experiences are corroborated by radar data
>Staffed by top tier scientists, engineers, and intelligence personel
>Navy admits the videos are real, and that they shouldn't have been released
>Gets the media to take the issue of UAPs seriously
>Gets the government to change its internal policy about UAPs
>Gets senators and congressmen to take the issue far more seriously
>Gets the government to admit UAPs are real and that they study them in classified programs, despite claiming they have no interest in the subject and that's it is debunked since the end of project bluebook since the 1970s
These are facts. Data. Unlike your post, which is purely your opinion.
This is enough data for me to take TTSA seriously.

>>10988249
No, but the navy dubbed it as UAPs and they also confirmed to the times that it's not the first time they have had such UAPs enter their airspace.
You are claiming to KNOW what it is, while the navy doesn't. You are full of shit.
Secondly, we know from pilot testimony that these incidents were far more complecitated than these 10 second videos. By that fact alone, you are conviently leaving evidence out.

>>10988252
Have fun giving your money to them and never being vindicated.

>>10988253
>You are claiming to KNOW what it is
No I'm not, I merely saying there is a 99.99999% it is of terrestrial origin. You are the one who claims it is evidence of ETs.

>>10988181
What this guys says.
Also, even if it were possible to open wormholes I have the glaring suspicion that you'd still need to get fucking here to link the other end.
So even if aliens do exist, they're still stuck in their respective galaxies.
The universe is a big fucking place.

>>10988255
I haven't given them any money and POOF, it looks like you can't back up your assertions, which means you have been certifiably BTFO.

>>10988257
>You are the one who claims it is evidence of ETs.
Where am I claiming that?

>>10988263
The only assertion I made is that TTSA is full of shit.
>wowow it dug up this video that the government didn't want released, probably because it is footage of a blackproject or something
Cool
>okay but this video is footage of ETs
Full of shit

>>10988265
Read the OP.

>>10988267
Yet more assertions with no evidence.
Prove it's a black project.
p.s.
Never said anything about ETs.

>>10988269
I'm not OP.

>>10988270
It is more plausible that it is a blackproject, anon. Fix your reading comprehension. Do you disagree?

>>10983742
UFOs exist since the mercury days.
They were confirmed by one of the greatest astronauts that ever existed Gordon Cooper and thats good enough proof for me.
Battle of LA included 9 tons of ammunition and countless witnesses yet the government says it was a false alarm that caused 5 people to die.
If they are hiding something fine but at least tell its a top secret and thats final not play hide and seek with the public for 100 years.

>>10988273
So what do you think the video is footage of?
>inb4 "i dunno but we have to leave our minds open to all possibilities, even the most implausible ones"

Buzz Aldrin, Edgar Mitchell, and other prominent astronauts (who were also either scientists or engineers) have gone on the record multiple times and stated that i) They were followed by UFOs on the way to the moon ii) They encountered UFOs on the moon iii) That the government has retrieved crashed craft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNkmhY_ju8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOHv1twCOqQ

Yet you still deny. You faggots would deny even if aliens landed on the whitehouse in daylight and it was broadcast all over the world.

I really believe we're past the tipping point now. I didnt before. But as of these past few days, it is safe to say the genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back in. What we're witnessing currently & over the next months is objectively historic and will never happen again. Get ready for it, /sci/ will be SEEETHING.

>>10988246
>According to Harry Reid, the main senator who started the program, and to Hal Puthoff, one of the phycisists who worked for AATIP
Wrong again, retard.

https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/pentagon-reinforces-mr-luis-elizondo-had-no-responsibilities-on-aatip-senator-harry-reids-2009-memo-changes-nothing/

>>10983742
The existence of aliens is highly probable. The idea that they have an interstellar propulsion method is less likely. The idea that they‘re using said propulsion method to casually fly single tiny ships over here just to embarrass top gun pilots in air races is considerably less likely than that.

>>10988391
All you've done is demonstrate exactly what I said in the post you replied to, you daft cunt. It all depends on who you want to believe. I choose to use occams razor and accept that Reed is telling the truth.

>>10988395
It's not unlikely that ayy adults cover planets with a defense grid, and let ayy teenagers run around doing exactly that.

>>10988246
>It all comes down to who you want to believe, the people actually involved with AATIP and a world class news organisation, or a government spokesperson who had nothing to do with it.
Actually it all comes down to you once again misrepresenting what others said. The New York Times only corroboration of Elizondo's claims was from Dana White, "a government spokesperson who had nothing to do with it" as you put it. Meanwhile the organization actually running all this confirmed that Elizondo lied and that Harry Reid letter is irrelevant.

>>10988403
The spokesperson changed, retard. The one the black vault is talking to is a different one. Elizondo worked at AATIP. Reed has said as much. That is all there is to it. Accept it or don't. You're a little faggot virgin bitch either way.

>>10988407
>The spokesperson changed, retard. The one the black vault is talking to is a different one.
How does this reasons to anything I said? How is it even relevant?

>Elizondo worked at AATIP. Reed has said as much.
Where did he say that? Webby are you unable to present evidence for any of your claims and instead provide irrelevancies and innuendo?

>>10987997
>Because, we are too far from the next solar system that could hold intelligent life.
Our entire stellar neighborhood evolved at the same time, from the same materials in Orion. We have a better chance of finding our contemporaries relatively close by than further away. .10c is achievable with known technology.

>>10988050
>There's no money to be made in figuring out this sort of natural phenomenon.
This is the most idiotic post I've ever seen on 4chan. No money in working fusion power, never mind metamaterials? Actual stupidity.
>this is why scientists shouldn't run business or government

>>10988125
>No. My argument is that them lying about man made UFOs is more likely than them lying about aliens, which is actually your argument. In other words, you're just projecting your own argument as a misinterpretation of mine.
Navy is not lying. They are openly admitting they have no idea what is going on with these classes of UAP. They are subtly asking for our help.

>>10988188
3) they work on a longer timescale and don't mind sublight travel.

>>10988508
>Navy is not lying.
How do you know this? Are you psychic?

>>10988542
I trust the US Navy more than some schizo on the Interbutts.

>>10984265
Sensor outputs have been correct because the objects have been seen from multiple radars in the carrier group, visually from the pilots and on the infrared cameras of the planes, it is also possible that the full video resolution is still classified.
The Big accelerations and speeds of the objects are much better than those of modern aircraft, chemical rockets can't accelerate as fast as them

>>10988593
A next step is getting Navy to release more information or FOIA them for it.
Another step is analyzing what is available for signals clues.

>>10983742
>>10988673
A forensic analysis of the ufo encounter, includes velocity and acceleration estimates, and estimates of the path taken by the UFOs :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WgURI1Fzrkij3utVvcPISGTyEUNX4Z0J/view

>>10988713
Put it on Mega. I ain't clickin' that jazz.

270 page paper on the nimitz encounter by a coalition of scientists and military personel

https://www.explorescu.org/post/scientific-findings-regarding-a-major-u-s-navy-encounter-with-ufos

Conclusions: not anything we have.

>>10988724
here
>>10988736

>>10988230
It has to be total bullshit. Sure, he's got actual defense bigwigs on board. Thing is, those dudes aren't going to revolutionize anything for ole' Tom Delonge. Any knowledge they have of the drive system or physics surrounding it is covered by the original NDA they signed forbidding them from disseminating knowledge acquired during service. Spilling the beans on legitimate national security topics is going to earn them a one way trip to Leavenworth and/or the possibility of execution sans due process.

>>10989000
All they need to do is to pretend that they are inventing it from scratch, that way they avoid the ndas. They're alresdy registered with SEC, there's nothing that can be done to silence them. They're too well known and everyone will find out.

Personally, as someone who repeats others all the time, I'd honestly be more surprised if aliens didn't weren't around than if they did.

>>10989047
There sure is
>Hey, we "invented" this awesome anti-inertia drive
>We should patent it
>Submit patent with obvious far reaching national security concerns
>Get Red List review
>Get visit from DIA
>FedGov owns your patent now, we will pay you a royalty
>Fuck you, we will fight it
>Haha, we are the FedGov and now you don't get shit. Talk to anyone about this and you'll spend the rest of your life in prison

>>10986708
>But why would an experienced pilot mistake the camera rotation for the rotation of the object?

What if he was a new pilot?

>>10986608
I've seen somebody work out that the Gimbal aircraft would barely have been visible if you had really good eyes and were carefully looking for it. no details would have been visible, even if you noticed the spec.

you are correct, there is no indication that anybody had eyes-on.

>>10986810
The Nimitz incident had nothing to do with Go Fast and Gymbal incidents. There is not indication of any naked eye observations in those cases (or that case, those vids are probably from the same flight.)

>>10986883
Gimbal is almost certainly from the same mission as Go Fast, about 15 minutes later.

>>10987667
>1) These craft demonstrated capabilities beyond our own

None of that is shown in the three videos (FLir1, Go Fast and Gimbal)

>2) There were dozens of them, often flying in formation

None of that is shown in the videos.

>3) AATIP concluded that the 3 videos do not show foreign or American craft

Gimbal is clearly a jet aircraft, Flir1 is almost certainly a jet aircraft, Go Fast is not an aircraft at all -- if AATIP concluded they could not be identified as a PARTICULAR aircraft, that makes sense.

>>10987902
Certainly the ones that are hardest to debunk are from the third world. Because accessing evidence is hardest to do there.

>>10987927
Because the ONLY thing n the video that looks like it might be something /x/worthy is that it looks like it is going fast, skimming low over the waves at a very high speed. When you understand that it was moving at slow speed, it has no unusual characters at all that would lead anyone to think it might be something out of the ordinary.

>>10987986
Why not? What does it do that a weather balloon would not do?

>>10988040
>It was jet's infrared cameras and this ufo flies in very high speed

None of the three videos shows anything moving at a very high speed.

>>10988092
My Dad at Nintendo says that the guy you know is lying to you.

>>10983742
I don't think UFO's are the conspiracy theory, just unlikely. The conspiracy theories are the
>pyramids made by aliens
>computer technology comes from aliens
>advanced mathematics come from aliens
>the human race is an alien experiment
>the NWO is controlled by aliens
etc.

I think UFO's are unlikely only because - making all the assumptions that a species is advanced enough for reasonably fast interstellar travel and just so happened to come our direction instead of any other direction - I can't really think of any reason why a species advanced enough for interstellar travel would both to be secretive about making contact with us. They'd either have something like a prime directive from Star Trek where they wouldn't interact at all (and would almost certainly be capable of remaining hidden), or they would have nothing to fear from us and would simply make open contact, or they would be so far beyond us that they wouldn't even bother investigating. And that's assuming that interstellar travel for them wouldn't be a pursuit of necessity or survival, and that they could stop to be curious just because.
I believe that there is certainly other life in this universe, and likely even more advanced that we'll ever be, but the universe is fucking big and the likelihood of us developing close enough together to ever meet is pretty small.

>>10989182
really? it clearly did, there another vid that shows it

>>10988253
>You are claiming to KNOW what it is, while the navy doesn't


Might be that he and the Navy have a different level of what constitutes "identified." Tome, "It was an airplane" is identified enough, after that I don't care as much. The Navy, in charge of things like not getting their ships attacked by "enemy" aircraft and not shooting down passenger 737s, they may have a stricter identification -- if all that could be determined was "it was an airplane," it is identified to me, but not to the Navy who need to know more than that.

Fucking hell, this thread is fucking terrible.
>pic of everyone ITT

>>10983742
>Why are UFOs considered to be in the realm of conspiracy theories / the paranormal?
>goes from 0 to "aliens" in the next sentence

Might be because aliens don't fucking exist here. They've never come near our solar system. Their signals can never reach us properly for recognition. They will never come here and we will never go to any location where there might be aliens outside the solar system.

>>10989202
Nope. The "Go Fast" vid gives the appearance of moving high speed close to the waves. But if you look at the information on the screen, you can get the angle of the camera that is centered on the target, range to the target, and the altitude of the aircraft. Using a bit of high-school trgonometry, you can work out the altitude of the target -- it is around 13,000 feet. Apparent movement due to parallax shift accounts for almost all of the movement against the background -- the plane is in a turn for much of the vid, and we don't know the exact degree of the turn, so getting the ground speed of the target is not going to be exact -- it is somewhere between 20-30 knots at the low end maybe 100-120 at the high end. Since we don;t know what the wind speed was at 13,000 feet that day, airspeed is not knowable -- but the ground speed of the target is not inconsistent with possible wind speeds at that altitude. It is not moving at high speed, it may even just be floating with the wind.

>>10989250
What are you trying to say that aliens are fake? Huu?

Are we just going to ignore the existence of defense contractors such as SPIE?

>>10989102
There was more than one pilot.

>>10989102
Cmdr Fravor had more than 10,000 hours of flight time at that point.
>>10989116
Fravor and the rest of his wing had visual.
Apes with nukes would scare the pants off any reasonable, nearby technical species. Never mind if that is preceded by Tesla lighting the planet up like a Class 1 civilization. Get here and it’s this violent, chaotic, predatory world, yeah they’d want to keep us under heavy observation.
>>10989228
Demoralization shill. ¢50 has been deposited in your social credit account.
>>10989240
Epistemologically that is impossible to know until proven true.

>>10988193
You can just say "I don't know" anon, you're not fooling anyone.

>>10984215
>don't believe interplanetary travel is possible for living things
Come now, don't close your imagination so because you're talking to a battery licker. We are only scratching the surface of possibilities with our baby science projects on this rock.

>>10989431
>We are only scratching the surface of possibilities
So we don't know what is underneath why are you so confident it is gold?

>>10983742
>probable
Tell me the probability of life beginning, friend.

>>10983742
they are real and far more advance than you and i can imagine. Einsteins left out a few things from his equations. There is more to why fission and fusion happens. It has to do with Quantum Vacuum fluctuations. Nukes got the attention of our alien friends since a nuke ripples through space time, all the atoms that make up the universe are linked together through the vacuum flux, nukes, fission, fusion create imbalance in the flux

>>10983742
By definition, UFOs do exist. There are certainly objects in the sky that haven't been identified, no?

>>10989688
Yeah but it came to mean extraterrestrials even within the military, so they've since changed the term to UAP 'Unidentified Aerial Phenomena' to differentiate from the wacky sensational interpretation of what these sightings may entail.

>>10988181
You can't travel faster than the speed of causality. But manipulating the distance is a nice shortcut.

Quads and I get my R36 funded next year. This is original.

Now that the he said she said, Occam's razor wars are over. Anyone on that wants to talk hard core science and understand how this technology works?

If it is foreign, if it is extraterrestrial, doesn't matter. But the fact of the matter is that extraterrestrials would be playing with the same physics and by the same rules. So why not try to figure it out regardless?

>>10989406
But I do know. It's your own fault for not knowing.
I linked a 270 page scientific paper on the nimitz encounter above.

>>10989996
Whoa. Almost.
>>10990158
>Anyone on that wants to talk hard core science and understand how this technology works?
Yes.
>So why not try to figure it out regardless?
First step is analyzing what we have now. The IR videos sometimes show variation in the objects, or cold/hot changes at the surface interface.

>>10990158
>But the fact of the matter is that extraterrestrials would be playing with the same physics and by the same rules.
And you know this how?
A Knight on a horse is not playing by the same rules as someone in a b2 stealth bomber with satalite targeting systems updating his targets in real time.

>>10989714
People high up believe otherwise.

Jacques Vallee when he was an astronomer working at the largest French observatory claimed that they would see UAPs come in and out of the atmosphere, when questionijg his superiors about it, they took the data and deleted it, then told him to basically shut his mouth. That's what got him interested in the UAP phenomenon.

>>10990255
If seen some gyroscopic mass reduction devices like what Sandy Kidd made. But I don't think they are anything special in particular.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitoelectromagnetism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrogravitics

I think these are much more plausible avenues.
These craft appear to be amphibious + exoatmospheric. I think they are warping spacetime itself primarily by manipulating gravity. Since the substances they traverse through aren't always necessarily conductive this rules out most conventional purely electromagnetic techniques that at least I'm aware of. But it could be even more complicated than just leveraging gravity.

There could be some interesting effects that should be investigated when matter transitions to a superconducting state. Resonating in and out of superconductivity might be a way of harnessing the effect for practical purposes. Although there is likely more to it.

Anyone seen any other interesting papers or documents?

>>10989240
>Might be because aliens don't fucking exist here. They've never come near our solar system.

Citation lacking.

>>10989258
No, I am saying that the Go Fast vid is not relevant to the question, as there is no reason to believe it shows anything other than some object drifting in the wind. It does not demonstrate "impossible" speed requiring an extraordinary explanation.


>>10989299

DUring "Gimbal?" No, there was one pilot of the plane on which the video was recorded, and some number of crew.

If it makes you happier, amend that to "What if it was a new crew?" Trainees or "rookies?" Or were using equipment new to them?

Last I looked, we know little to nothing baout that crew. If we have new information about the crew, then my "what if" may be invalid.

In any case, since he "rotation" of the target is in all instances synchronous with the camera rotation, as demonstrated by looking at how other artifacts in the footage rotate as the camera rotates, all synchronized to the apparent rotation of the target, it is pretty obvious that the object is not rotating, the camera is.

This does not imply that the target is an artifact -- though it does imply that the apparent SHAPE and rotational motion is. The only really likely explanation is a heat source in flight hot enough to produce glare. That glare is an artifact of the imaging system, and thus rotates as the imaging system rotates.

There is nothing there inconsistent with the pretty normal flying heat source -- a jet aircraft.

>>10989382
>Cmdr Fravor had more than 10,000 hours of flight time at that point.

Fravor had nothing to do with any of the three videos.

His "Tic Tac"sighting prior to the "Flir1" flight is an interesting and not easily explainable report, bt there is no vid from his flight to help analyze what he saw. Theories range from "he saw something totally unknown in the alien/dimensional spacehhip category," trough "he saw a weapons test of some known or unknown weapon in the genera category of cruise missile" to "in a stressful mission where he at one point thought he was going to be called on to prevent anothr 9/11 by ramming a passenger jet, he lost situational awareness and is reporting stuff he did not actually see." This happens even to experienced pilots.

I have no idea what he saw or didn't see. I think his report is one of the better bits of UFO witness report out there. But it is not to be conflated with the three FLIR vids, two of which happned years away on the other side of a continent, the third of which (Flir1) happend after his sighting, the same day, but shows a different object since Fravor saw a whit object, while the Flir1 object, when seen in video, is very dark. (Some confusion come in there since Flir1 vid shows switching between optical and "white+hot" ir mode. In video, the object is dark.)

During FLir1, the object targeted dosplays nothing unusual in terms of its flight and maneuvers. Given that, and it's heat, it is most likely a jet aircraft. Note though that this does not say ANYTHING to discredit Fravor -- he saw something else, earlier the same day.

>>10989382
>Fravor and the rest of his wing had visual.

Source on that? My understanding is that he had visual on something his wingman was on high guard and did not see it, but observed Fravor's maneuvers.

Since etails of this case are still emerging, I am not going to be surprised if new information comes out. Fravor's sighting is really the only potentially interesting thing w have in this collection of incidents.

Sadly, and as you'd expect, media covergae has been horrible, in some cases showing "Gimbal" as an example of video taken on Fravor's plane. (Fravor was not even close to anything to do with "Gimbal," and there is no video of anything from his flight.)

As a couple of loony claims have been made around his flight, I'm trying to stick to what actual witnesses said as much as I can track it down.

>>10989382
>Get here and it’s this violent, chaotic, predatory world, yeah they’d want to keep us under heavy observation.

Why? We can't even get back to our own moon, much less come and threaten anybody from Dem Stars?

>>10989505
Nobody can.

We know it is possible, since we're alive. That's about it.

The "Drake equation" is almost all unknown variables. We have learned since it was proposed that the number of planets is going to be very high, which is good if you want the equation to show a high likelihood of other civilizations out there. The number in the "Goldilocks zone" seems to be tracking along with that, and being relatively high. Everything the the right of that is "I have no fucking clue."

If a couple of those unknown variables are extremely low, we are unlikely to ever detect another civilization and may never find a second instance of life arising. If they are all reasonably high, the galaxy may well be crawling with life and civilizations like ours.

But we don't know what the relative likelihood is of either option.

>>10989684
>a nuke ripples through space time

I understand this is /x/ and all, but still, that one seems to call for a citation of some sort.

>>10990158
>Anyone on that wants to talk hard core science and understand how this technology works?

Can't really do that unless you can establish such technology exists, and what it's operational parameters/capabilities are.

>>10990274
Gotta take a couple of those with a grain of salt.

Ed Mitchell became a credulous New Age flake after retiring from NASA (he seems to have been one during his time there, but kept it more to himself.) He'd fit right in on /x/, come to think of it.

Same really goes for O'Leary.

Gorbachev says the phenomenon is real, he does not in that quote categorize what it is.

Truman's use of "given" is a logical construction, he is saying IF they exist, they can't be built here."

Kennedy's qute would be true if the UFOs were known to be friendly space friends, or if the Air Force believed them to be Officially Fucking Nothing.

Carter's quote is interesting. Since as it happened he DID become President, and was in a position to carry out that promise to release everything... Maybe THEY talked him out of it. Or maybe there was not much there.

Reagan's quotes indicate that we have one more "distant bright light, no details" report, and is his second quote he says nothing about what he believes about UFOs, aliens, or any likelihood of contact. I myself have often thought about what our reaction o an alien contact or invasion might be. I have no knowledge of any of that being imminent, though.

>>10990282
It is too fucking bad that the French have the only observatory in the world, isn't it? If there were a lot of them, scattered around the globe, it would be really hard for the French Government to suppress what they were seeing.

Hell, ideally there would even be observatories not affiflites with governments, and maybe even a lot of amateur astronomers out there. Then it would be impossible to suppress it all.

I winder if there is any possible way that could al be made to happen...

>>10990255
>The IR videos sometimes show variation in the objects, or cold/hot changes at the surface interface.

Having looked at the three currently getting a lot of attention, no they don't.

Are you maybe confusing changes in the imaging from visual to IR, or changes in zoom, with changes in the object? Or are you looking at some other IR videos? If the latter, I'd be interested in seeing them if you can identify what video you are looking at.

>>10991057
>Source on that?
His interview with Tucker Carlson where he describes being vectored to the location by Princeton and establishing
>>10991045
Will try to keep that straight. Was under the impression the FLIR1 object was a Tic Tac.
>>10991063
>Why? We can't even get back to our own moon, much less come and threaten anybody from Dem Stars?
Imagine a species that wants to stay top dog in the local stellar neighborhood. We'd likely be their only potential competition, and we wage war for laughs and pussy. It might not make sense on our timescale but on their's it could.
>>10991147
Should have been more specific. The Puerto Rico DHS helicopter footage is relatively closeup and shows flaring events on the object. The FLIR1 video shows a subtle change in the halo, but that could be artifacting in the camera. The Chilean video shows the object seemingly ejecting some kind of gas.