/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10978890
>abiogenesis
Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense.
It's the most rational explanation in accordance with occam's razor and by far better than your explanation through a sky-daddy.
>statistical probabilities
Little probability doesn't equal missing possibility.
>pascal's wager
Based on subjective win-lose scenarios.

>>10978924
*Absence, spelt it wrong.

>>10978929
>the absolute state of religious counterarguments

>>10978946
Sorry for being born a native speaker of an actual language.

>talking to my religious friend
>realize that I am literally retarded for arguing with a literal retard
>put my gun muzzle into my mouth pointed towards my brain
>pull the trigger

>talk to atheist professor about hegel's theology
>He starts shrieking about how god is supposed to be a literal man in the sky hovering around
>tell him no serious theologian ever thought that
>he starts yelling about evolution
>realize that I am literally retarded for arguing with a literal retard
>unscrew great value tub of bleach
>bottoms up

>statistical probabilities

Given infinite time, everything possible is guaranteed to happen. Good news for the theist: this also means that a God is guaranteed to pop into existence one time or another. Bad news for the christfag: Jesus is probably made up.

Take the "theism without christianity" pill and you'll see everything makes sense.

>>10978948
faguese?

>muh god
Who cares? Also if God created the Universe than who created God?

>>10978965
>Given infinite time, everything possible is guaranteed to happen.
God isn't possible.

>>10978924
>It's the most rational explanation in accordance with occam's razor
>sky-daddy made life
vs
>nothing spontaneously became everything and everything spontaneously ordered itself into planets, some inhabited with intelligent life
Creationism unironically respects Occam's razor better than abiogenesis. The only thing worse than abiogenesis is panspermia.

>>10978969
The christian one isn't, because omniscience is impossible. How do you know you know everything? You don't.

Other gods are possibly but many of them absurdly unlikely.

>>10978967
the whole point of god is he is self created, this is literally the first principle you learn. are you retarded?

>>10978890
>pascal's wager

What about all the other religions and denominations you don't believe in that promise you doom if you're wrong then?
Can't you see how the whole premise of Pascal's wager is invalidated by the tiny chance you would have happened to have picked the correct superstition.

Like what if the Aztecs was right? Your fucked by default since nobody really know how to worship the gods correctly anymore.
Does this thought worry you even a little bit? Of course not, because you're not a small child and you're not stupid.

Now realize how that's exactly how an atheist feels about Pascal's wager when it comes to Christianity.

>>10978967
God is Truth. Truth exists necessarily because its non-existence could only be true if truth exists, hence a contradiction arises. Truth always exists.

>>10978978
>t. hasn’t read Pensées
Pascal devoted the entire second half of the book towards explaining Christianity is the only worthy religion.

>>10978975
The only "God" that could be possible INSIDE our universe would be a Boltzmann Brain.

>>10978978
wrong form of 'you're' but you get the point.

>>10978982
>Pascal devoted the entire second half of the book to masturbatory non-logic and rhetorical arguments because he was a fucking retarded piece of shit like most "philosophers"

>>10978983
Now we're getting to the good stuff. I read on le wikipedia that a boltzmann brain takes waaaay less time to randomly appear than it takes for a real universe to appear. Therefore we should all assume we are just brains in a vat.

And then everyone clapped

>>10978975
you bring up a good point high IQ anon, god would still have to be restricted to Cogito ergo sum if he were to be a part of this universe.

>>10978996
>>10978975
Does it actually say in the Bible that the christian God is supposed to be omniscient? He acts like he didn't know his creations would eat the forbidden fruit, while an omniscient creator would obviously know it in advance.

[ ] free will
[ ] omniscient creator

Pick one and only one

>>10978988
when your ignorance is exposed and you just start seething

>>10978948
lol second rate country loser.
>>10978954
>literally retarded for arguing with a literal retard
incredibly based
only a fool would stoop to the level of another fool and lose due to lacking experience.
>>10978924

>abiogenesis
frankly it makes sense. I believe in a god and I love his world he gave us life in, and I will understand every bit of it. I don't curse god's existence, but I question his accuracy since written by ancient humans. clearly a complex being couldn't have been written well by troglodytes. I believe in an abstraction. maybe untraditional, but it's better than being a sick godless whore.
frankly chemist and biologist aren't nearly intelligent enough to approach the level required to understand the creations of god, and frankly their lust over money feeds distractions.
this is a rigorous art, not a fucking career you second rate faggots. If you're concerned with mortal fabrications then you don't deserve the title of a scientist. the word science comes from the word to know, yet most of these STEM fucks are bent over money.
They're no scientists nor philosophers, they are a bunch of pussies getting cucked by their sick mental illness.
you fucks are more likely to trust in a fucking retarded thing like string theory, the gayest shit farted out desperate asses, rather than to question the universe yourself?!
pathetic.
most of the gay fuck on this board are concerned with retarded politics, money, IQ, the comparison of one man to another without chasing to find the aesthetic in life themselves, whores, IFLS retards, and general smooth brains.
I get it now. The thought of this board being "intelligent" attracts the most arrogant pussies. Get a life you /pol/ sucking niggers.

>>10978967
God is unoriginate, transcending material time and space (which He created).

>>10978976
If God is self created then why can't the universe be self created?

>>10979005
>I don't have to make sense because it's magic duuude magic doesn't make sense!

>>10979005
Either "God" does not interact with our reality in any way, or he does. If he does not interact with our reality in any way he may exist. But if you claim he DOES interact with our reality against all lack of evidence then this can only be true if our experiences and observations are completely untrue. So if God exists nothing is real and nothing exists. God can only be real if there is no such thing as real. So God isn't real.

Q.E.D.

>>10978890
>be sperg
>be with friend
>talk about what i like
>i am very knowledgeable
>i am very articulate, interesting and try to never go over my friends head
>i am a resource for my friend.
>i will stop at the slightest indication at his boredom
>friend changes the subject
>i listen carefully for 5 min
>i find this very interesting
>i have some questions
>i ask the questions
>they are good questions
>some go straight to the crux of the matter
>some are hard
>friend cannot answer all of them
>friend become insecure
>friend feels he is under attack
>friend become passive aggressive
>friend misinterprets some of my statements
>friend increases their rhetoric
>friend starts insulting me
>friend ceases being logical
>somehow friend blames me
>i just tried to be the best friend that i could be

This is how it feels for us OP. More likely it is you that is the problem.

>>10978982
Yeah, because Pascal was a Christian and therefore had a Christian bias.
But I'm sure you can see how anyone from any religion or denomination could make the very same argument about their faith,
and proceed on to write walls of text why <drug of choice> is the one true torturer of people who think different.

Therefore you must realize how as a scare tactic towards anyone that isn't extremely gullible it is utterly useless.

>>10979016
Well have you considered that being friends with retards is a complete and total waste of time?

>>10978967
shitty assumption that all things can be known. anything that could exist outside of the bounds of our universe's logic would be impossible to understand aside from which is allowed.

>>10978988
Diogenes was the only acceptable philosopher because he invented the act of shitting on something you don’t like and was the creator of nihilism iirc so he was mega autismo. He was pretty much the only “philosopher” that it’s fun to read about

>>10979011
I'll judge Atheism's value to society by the product of an atheist civilization. So far it doesnt look too impressive.

>>10979010
Some believe that, it is called pantheism.

It is my belief that it is heavily refuted by idealist monism, however. because you cannot equate the universe with consciousness. A god has to account for how mind comes to be, and this cannot be explained via the material universe.

>>10979010
God is not self created wtf.

>>10979025
You don't like IKEA?

>>10979025
i'll take it over the virtually endless pain and suffering Christianity has caused

>>10979003
I love this post so much

>>10979025
>>10979035
megacringe

>>10979022
Yes, but I realized it too late.

>>10979040
>unable to make an argument
yikes

>>10979035
>Invented individual liberalism and the concept of human rights.

>>10979025
It's value is that it's correct and you are incorrect

>>10979052
>and did everything in their power to destroy as much human life as possible

>>10978966
So close but it's faroese.

>>10979052
>Invented individual liberalism and the concept of human rights.
You're confusing Christianity with Judaism.

>>10979058
Human rights as an idea originates from Christianity, specifically the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus asserts that every individual person was directly ensouled by the Creator.

Slavery was widespread in the Roman empire, but was banned in Europe under Christendom, due largely to the Sermon on the Mount.

>>10978965
>Given infinite time, everything possible is guaranteed to happen.
This is a bit counterintuitive but try to prove that statement and maybe you can see on your own that its not true.

>>10979066
christianity is judiasm taken to its logical conlusion

>>10979069
given infinite time and infinite possibilities it's infinitely possible that an infinite amount of possibilities are possible

>>10979070
No that would be the Talmud. Christianity is the anti-thesis of Talmudism. Wheras Talmudism is the logical approach to religion Christianity denies all logic in exchange for rhetoric and emotional arguments.

>>10979072
>infinitely possible
possibilities dont exceed one, much less reach infinity.

If you want some intuition, try to think of a proof that any infinite series of numbers contains every possible pattern (ie the idea that something infinitely long, such as the digits of pi, contains everything like famously all the works of shakespeare). If you manage to formally prove that, then I will admit that after an infinite amount of time god is guaranteed to appear.