/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10969696
become successful

>>10969696
Meditation is one of the few tools to train your mind for delayed gratification. Once you start observing the monkey brain you can start proactively combatting urges as they arise.

>>10969696
>kid1: "oh boy, a marshmallow, I haven't had one in years! I should eat it now while I have the chance"
>kid2: "oh, a marshmallow, we have those in the house anyways"

Houses that have disposable income for marshmallows have better support systems for lifelong development.

Delaying gratification has the effect of becoming better at delaying gratification.

>>10969714
Based. Most of psychology is not reproducible and NOT science

>>10969714
That's what I'd suggest. Condition yourself to delay your gratifications :
>wait a few minutes before eating a meal
>don't go to pee immediately
>run a few minutes longer before stopping
>don't check your phone immediately when it rings
etc.

>>10969696
did they grown to do edging too?

>>10969696
>My question is: Has anyone read something about how to improve your ability to delay gratification? Any proper psychological studies?

Considering that they were children, and that the kids who already had low delayed gratification didn't imrpove. there's either two possiblities:
1. "Delayed gratification" is genetic.
2. It can only be improved during developmental years.

I think biological determinism is retarded. So I'm gonna go with the latter. Of course, this means that YOU probably can't improve it right now.

>>10969737
These methods sound retarded. The entire point of delayed gratification is you being patient for a better reward. What'll be the difference between eating the meal YOU MADE now or later? Or checking who's calling when it rings? There's no "better reward" in these ones.

>>10969696
You're born with it. Its basically a test of your conscientiousness. You can't change it much. We've been asking people to think critically and teaching them about critical thinking skills for decades and its produced no statistically significant results. People can't change their innate personality that greatly.

>>10969696
this is "studying for the test."
suppose I can find 100 words in english that gauge how good somebody is at speaking english. the number that they know directly correlates with how good they are at english, with people who know 10 words always being in the bottom 10% of speakers and people who know 90 or more words always being in the top 90% of speakers.
if these 100 words come out, and somebody memorizes all 100 words, do they become a top 100% english speaker? no- they've "studied for the test."

in the same way, when you find metrics like this it often isn't the case that you can just change yourself to that one metric and then get the benefits.

but anyways, all these psychology and sociology experiments are wildly unscientific and un-reproducible so it doesn't matter much anyways. if you're ambitious and want to succeed, just work harder, stop bad habits, and well, you probably already know what to do if you actually want to succeed. do that stuff.

>>10970021
>but anyways, all these psychology and sociology experiments are wildly unscientific and un-reproducible so it doesn't matter much anyways. if you're ambitious and want to succeed, just work harder, stop bad habits, and well, you probably already know what to do if you actually want to succeed. do that stuff.
>DUDE JUST BE YOUR SELF XDDDD
And you're calling the social experiments unscientific lmao.

>>10970034
I'm advocating for the opposite of be yourself, but given the level of discourse of your post I can see it's not worth any time to try and clarify

>>10969696
>Has anyone read something about how to improve your ability to delay gratification?
Delaying gratification is not an ability, it is a conscientious choice. You either have resolution or not.

>>10969696
average child: marshmallow taste good me wait 10 minutes get more that good
autistic child: marshmallows are high in sugar and can cause diabetes, excess adipose tissue, cancers, and are generally not good for you, I refuse your offer of marshmallows in general and demand to see my lawyer

My mum did this test to me with chocolate coins. I just left it on the table and watched an episode of SpongeBob then went back and got my shit.

>>10969710
Wouldn't they take such a thing into account? If you could come up with that rebuke the odds are you could to

>>10969710
*They could too

>>10969710
Unironically a valid point that I hadn't considered before

Dammit man. How do you unlearn instant gratification?

>>10969696
take one now and make a deal with another kid saying I'll give him half of mine now if he waits a minute and gets two and we can split the rewards, but when he gets two I'll just kick his ass and take both and call it interest.
what does that imply about me?

>>10969710
What a twist

>>10970325
first off stop watching porn and using social media drips, you can fap just don't watch porn

>>10969710
Generally, impoverished households eat more junk food.

>>10969696
This implies the child has ever been allow to eat the sugar jew.

>>10969696
Actually the marshmallow later is greedy. That's not good.

>>10969696
Delaying gratification of the marshmallow is only the better choice if the time value of 2 marshmallows after the wait is greater than the present value of the marshmallow at the start.
If the value of the marshmallow is decaying, or the second marshmallow is smaller, the child should just eat the first marshmallow or reinvest it. Since no information about depreciation, inflation, and time to maturity is presented to the child at first, the action of consuming the marshmallow immediately is simply the most risk adverse.

>>10969696
It's not actually delayed gratification, but maximized gratification. A test of delayed gratification doesn't increase the reward with time. There is no point in delaying the gratification itself, which already shows how much intelligent is whoever came up with this concept.

>>10971340
I think a better test would be delayed punishment.

You give the choice to either get punched in the gut RIGHT NOW or to get punched in the gut in 30 minutes. Ethics boards wouldn't let you do it in the west so you'd have to go to China.

>>10971306
Ay what a coincidence I just watched a hydewars episode where he talk about the time value of money

From my experience, your ability to delay gratification is much easier to lose than it is to gain, so at least try not to get worse. Exercise, especially cardio, really helps.

>>10971340
>It's not actually delayed gratification, but maximized gratification
pretty smart

>>10969696
Honestly looking back on this experiment. It's fucking stupid, I'd take the one marshmallow now since two marshmallows won't even taste as good as just one. I'd highly value the one over two.

>>10971829
Cold store bought marshmallows really are shit. Did the researchers not have any candy corn or wax teeth to really make the kids suffer?

>>10969696
you take the marshmallow and get more food elsewhere instead of resting for 10 minutes to get 2. you will burn that energy before you leave the building so why even participate in this test in the first place wtf

>>10969709
only actually legit answer here

>>10969696
i'm a two marshmallow kid and I didn't get anywhere past highschool, I might be future oriented in my thinking but ultimately you have to be successful in the present and not be a procrastinator to achieve success regardless of how much you think ahead, it's own kind of short sited habit in some ways

>>10969710
Followed by:
>kid1: "... so, because years might pass again until i taste one marshmallow, i better secure 2 marshmallows by just waiting. it's not like it can walk"

>kid2: "so, because we have those at home, there is no need to wait and get 2; i will just get this one right now."

>>10969696
Doing drugs is good

>>10969710
a bag of 50 marshmallows is like 3 dollars my man

I just asked my kid if she wants one candy. Her answer was ,she already had one. What did she mean by this?

>>10969696
I'd take the one marshmallow because marshmallows just ain't that tasty.

>>10969764
1. Letting your food cool off more before eating it
2. Not seeming like you're on your phone all day and actually have to reach for it; showing that you have a life.

>>10969696
Unfortunately psychology has got quite a sketchy record on systematic ways of improving any kind of mental trait. If I were you I wouldnt think about it too much. Just try to produce solutions for the problems infront of you.

>>10969764
Pretty much all traits have a genetic component..Average is 50%

>>10969696
The children who can delay gratification come from stable, usually well off families, which is why they correlate with success.

Children who "fail" to delay gratification come from broken places when they learn that people cannot be trusted and somebody likely eats the marshmallow if they waid, and they probably won't get the two marshmallows anyway; this is unlike the former, where children learn that people don't take their things and promises are usually kept. Growing up in such a place naturally strongly correlates with a lack of succes.

>>10969696
The children who can delay gratification come from stable, usually well off families, which is why it correlates with success.

Children who "fail" to delay gratification come from broken places when they learn that people cannot be trusted and somebody likely eats the marshmallow if they wait, and they probably won't get the promised two marshmallows anyway; this is unlike the former, where children learn that people don't take their things and promises are usually kept. Growing up in such a place naturally strongly correlates with a lack of succes.

>>10969696
Who the fuck wants to wait for a crummy marshmallow when one could get pokemon creatures instead?

>>10970053
Kek

>>10973121
And how did some parents manage to provide a stable family? Why are some parents superior to others?
You are doing nothing but adding a completely irrelevant layer.

>>10969696
As a musician i can say that learning an instrument is a very effective way of getting that delayed gratification

>>10973134
did an aging political cartoonist pen this post

>>10969764
>Considering that they were children, and that the kids who already had low delayed gratification didn't imrpove. there's either two possiblities:
>1. "Delayed gratification" is genetic.
>2. It can only be improved during developmental years.
that's an absolutely retarded conclusion. children who become obese during their development years tend to stay obese, that doesn't mean obesity is genetic or can not be re-mediated in adult life. it only means it takes targeted effort, which doesn't occur naturally.

>>10969737
Kek

>>10970817

>>10969710
>>10969714
my fucking
>>10969731
this

Ten minutes is a long fucking time to wait for a single marshmallow. I've heard of a version of this test where they wait some period of time and the number of marshmallows is doubled and they're given the option to wait again. That's worth the wait, you could even empty the funds of the study and aquire diabetes if you have enough patience.

Fuck you and your single marshmallow bullshit.

>>10971989
3 dollars is 3 pounds of rice and beans, and can feed you for 2 days.

I'd take one marhsmallow now. Who the fuck waits 10 minutes

If you are a smoker, you fucked up: the test

They should just give kid 1 a bullet as well since his life is obviously already over.