/sci/ - Science & Math

superpower by 2020...

>>10950638

RIP

>>10950638
>BREAKING
Kek

Feels bad.

toilet on the moon by 2050

Cheapest moon launch ever fails. Well, they got a lander to the moon for less than anybody so far. Bit of a shame that they couldn't land it. Could have been really impressive.

Now everybody will focus on the failure of the lander instead of the success they had getting to the moon.

>>10950744
Is landing near the south pole really harder than near the equator?

why is india even permitted to exist

>>10950749
I don't know about that. All I know is they spent less than half what other moon missions have cost. They proved that smaller rockets can get a lander to the moon for less money if time is not a priority.

>>10950755
I support them. Few places need to begin depopulating earth more than india. We should be encouraging them.

>>10950763
>We should be encouraging them
You should start with spreading an ebola like virus in the north indian states, that would solve the problems.
I'm going to sleep now, been awake for 4 hours in the night for this!

'For the first time in India's space history, the interplanetary expedition was led by two women - Muthaya Vanitha, the project director, and Ritu Karidhal, the mission director.'

Kek

>>10950638
>BREAKING
God damnit Carlos.

>>10950744
>success they had getting to the moon
The mission was a complete and utter failure. There's nothing successful about it

>>10950763

>They proved that smaller rockets can get a lander to the moon for less money if time is not a priority

That is an interesting aspect. Staggered cheap launches months/years before a manned mission landing in the same area to provide supplies and building components.

I still kick myself for laughing at Newt Gingrich for championing a moon base in his campaign in early 2000s. The US should have a "visitors station" up there by now.

>>10950801
The orbiter is fine.

>SLS, Orion, and JWST will never fly

Superpooper 2020

Poo control to Major turd

>>10950814
The concern shared both by governments and companies stems from current space law. The relevant passage states something along the lines of the following passages;
No entity may claim sovereignty of any property on an orbital body beyond earth.
Any entity has no claim over any structure in space once they have no physical human presence within said structure.

If anybody builds a moon base, if they are unable to keep it manned, that base will become the property of any subsequent occupier for the full term of their occupation. I don't know if I am explaining well. Let me give an example.

USA builds moon base and mans it. Due to political pressure and expense a new president orders that the base personnel return to earth. The chinese immediately send a crew to occupy the moon base. Legally the chinese now own this base for the full duration of their occupation. If the USA wishes to use the base or any of its facilities they must now negotiate with the chinese.

>>10950939
is that really space law? seems that would imply satellites are fair target as there's no human presence. regardless, couldn't the Americans simply blow up the moon base as they leave?

>>10950946
The law was setup not for that. It is that way so Moscow and Washington DC couldn't claim something like the moon as their own property. Also the law worked. It helped lead to space cooperation between Russia and the US and the ISS.

>>10950946
Satellites in earth orbit are handled differently afaik. In time whatever legislation/treaties apply to satellites may be extended to the moon. I suspect the moon will end up much like antartica, divided into portions, each claimed by a different nation.

I fully expect americans to behave exactly as you describe which isn't very good for anybody. Right now legislation is how it is in an attempt to foster development in space by disregarding the individual interests of sovereign nations.

It's complicated. No company yet has the funds to establish a space base. Everybody is waiting for it. The USA is verging on outright disregard for international space law by establishing a military presence in space.

I am not sure it is sensible to dissuade their behaviour though. It will be up to them to pay to police things like the nuclear reactors which will power our bases and ships. Nobody wants a mad scientist in a moon cave building nuclear warheads.

>>10950976
If by “worked” you mean brought manned space exploration to a grinding halt, then yes it worked.

>>10950987
>Nobody wants a mad scientist in a moon cave building nuclear warheads.
They wouldn't need to. Just aim a rocket so it keeps increasing speed until it is fast enough to decimate the Earth.

>>10951001
Not true we have a constant presence in space aboard the ISS.

>>10951001
Look it didn't work entirely as intended. However I suspect there are other reasons why we have limited manned space exploration to earth orbit. Reasons which are unlikely to ever be discussed publicly.

>>10951007
Exactly. There are too many ways to decimate the earth from space. It doesn't even take the best of us to work out how. The longer the USA pays to be the space police the better imo.

I fully expect however that in time they will demand a return on investment. Rather unpleasantly.

>>10951040
>other reasons
The lmaos dont like anybody who has tried so far.

>An Israeli nonprofit sent a small robotic spacecraft named Beresheet to the moon, but its landing attempt in April went awry in a manner similar to Chandrayaan-2. The initial descent went as planned, but then communications were lost near the surface.
Something on the Moon doesn't want to be disturbed.

>>10950744

When a few nation's have landed on the moon before you with tech from the 70s, you should be able to do it today at like none the cost

>>10950801
Reached moon, put orbiter into successful orbit, flew lander to about 2 km from the surface before whatever it was failed. Not perfect, they wanted to land. But they accomplished some things.

>>10950866

>>10950814

>>10951137
But it doesn't mind the US, Russia, China?

>>10951246
Afaik those three nations have declared their support of, and willingness to provide information to, a certain individual. We will see as the next few decades unfold.

>>10951246
What makes you think those nations aren't the ones keeping the little boys off the field?

>>10951266
<---- /x/

>>10951291
OK, that would make sense in an /x/ thread. Which would be unusual, you ought to take it over there.

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NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

>>10951299
Yeah, superpower nations don't have a history of sabotaging lesser nations.

>>10950987

Haha! As if any "space" law will matter when push comes to shove.

>Oh noes! Emergency means we need to temp evacuate our zillion dollar moon base!

>Oh noes! Sneaky Chinese sent one man in an hour before our team could get back !

>Oh noes! Rather than force entry and throw him out the airlock sans suit, we must respect "space" law and concede to our new Chinese moon base overlords!

>>10951388
Sure. But that is a situation nobody wants and so it will be prevented from occuring. Because war and no more spacerace.

poo country

>>10951174
>>10950638

the only reason it failed was a lack of a pilot. You need a heavily trained human brain INSIDE THE SHIP making decisions within a split second in order to soft land on the moon successfully. Only the chinese have pulled a soft landing on the moon without a human pilot and them being Chinese it would not surprise me they just lied and sent a pilot secretely.

>>10950939
>USA builds moon base
>new president recalls everyone
>/sci/ sends a team to moonbase
>/sci/ squatters now control moonbase

>feces and larval jews dumped all over the lunar surface

Jesus Christ get these third worlders the fuck out of space

>>10951446
>Only the chinese have pulled a soft landing on the moon without a human pilot and them being Chinese it would not surprise me they just lied and sent a pilot secretely.
It would be kind of funny if once a moonbase was established someone went to investigate the chinese moon lander and found a dead chinese guy inside.

>Indian coding

>>10951446
>Only the chinese have pulled a soft landing on the moon without a human pilot
?
both the Americans and the Soviets landed unmanned probes on the moon as early as the 70s

>>10951472
Indians too back in 2008, but we're talking about SOFT landings here. It's different.

>>10950730
This. So much this. This needs to go viral. IMPORTANT.

>>10950638
>they spent $140 million dollars on a piece of shit that didn't work

>>10951463
A better plan has never been conceived.
How do we make this happen.

>>10951487
Yes

>>10950939
That's all wrong. Legally even the poop left behind by Armstrong is US property.

>>10950638
Kek

>>10950638

The Americans have something on the moon rn, that crashes all the other countries probes

>>10951466
>He's still fucking there

>>10951446
what a dumb post

>>10950801
It wasn’t a complete and utter failure though mate.

>>10950638
The landing procedure starts automatically. So there is chance it has still landed even though the communication was disrupted.

>>10951606
Don't make me look up the legislation man it was boring enough the first time.

>>10951687
Equipment, even abandoned and destroyed one, is property and responsibility of the nation that shot it up.

>>10951647
>mission: land on moon
>reality: probe exploded into the moon
SUCCESS!!!! we really just wanted it to see the moon!!! you're a buttmad indian arent you

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

DESIGNATED SHITTING MOON

At least the Satellite is in its designated shitting orbit.

>>10950638
Thanks Gandhi.

>>10951700
That sounds familiar. I should review the laws again anyway even though it will probably change. My interest at the time was habitats and minesites.

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

India is so shit, they cant even do what we did 50 years ago hahahhahaahah

>>10951734
>India is so shit, they cant even do what we did 50 years ago hahahhahaahah

To be fair to India, neither can we.

>>10951738
This. All of the engineers behind the Luna and Moon landing programs are either dead or have their brain rotted. Even if the exact same schematics for their programs got brought out of mothballing and manufacturing miraculously produces them to spec after half a century, the institutional knowledge of how to do the missions is relegated to documents that might not have everything written in them.

Did you guys about the gel-like substance found by the chinese the last week on the dark side of the Moon? "Experts" said it could be glass, but the definition of a gel is "jelly like in consistency", why would they use that to describe glass?

>>10951752
>He hasn't ever seen molten glass

Supposedly the parachute failed to slow it down enough due to a miscalculation.

>>10951754
If you are a scientist and you see molten glass, you call it glass or glass-like, not gel-like substance. The Chinese did not even make the comparison to glass and provided no further data, not even a pic, and I find interesting nobody seems to care.

>>10951748

They don't.

The Saturn V rocket specs were thrown out by an intern in the 80s. Hell NASA taped over the original moon landing recordings because the NSA needed to spy on the ruskies and their budget got cut so they couldn't afford new tapes.

Normally I'd root for any nation that wants to improve it's space program, but India has gotten stupidly nationalistic in the last decade.

So fuck em, poo in the loo.

>a big fucking moon
>all this fucking song and dance mumbo jumbo
just tie an anchor to the lander and let it go. You think it will miss the fucking moon

>>10951758
>If you are a scientist you will say x
Big assumption there. I'd just wait for further details before making judgements about how people are characterizing what they found.

Shame Elon gave up on GreyDragon. I bet SpaceX could land a Dragon2 on the moon.

You could make a profit from a FHeavy sending a lamdering to the moon. Scooping up a couple kilos of moon rock and dust. Then sending it back. Selling it for $50,000 per gram.

>>10951758
Flexing by being needlessly cryptic isn't exactly out of character for the Chinese government. It's probably fucking nothing or they wouldn't have said anything.

>>10951772

>>10950801
>The mission was a complete and utter failure.
>>10950785
>the interplanetary expedition was led by two women
coincidence?

>>10951758
A few possibilities. One is that there was an issue with translation from chinese to english. I don't suppose they would be keeping such information on computers connected to the internet. Probably bait.

>>10950749
Yes. You risk lose radio contact.

>>10951463
out of all the places i'd rather not be, a /k/-run nuclear submarine or a /sci/-run space station is at the top of the list

>>10950893
underrated post

>>10951299
conspiracies =/= paranormal
You don't mean /x/, you mean >>>/pol/ Also, there's a long and filled history of powerful nations fucking around with less powerful nations on every level.

>>10952062
Use a repeater.

>>10951638

>>10951487
Trump wasted that much on that drone Iran shot down

>tfw we forgot how to land on the moon
Mankind is doomed.

SOFT LANDED POO-N

lmao damnit india

>>10950893
commencing flushdown show your bobs

>>10952982
No beef dishes, and may H1B be with you... ten hundred million, nine hundred million, eight hundred million, seven hundred million, six hundred million, five hundred million, four hundred million, three hundred million, two hundred million, one hundred million, POO off

..

This is Poo Control to Major Brown
You've really made very nice sir,
And our customer support team want to know if you have vagene to share
Now it's time to wipe your bummings if you dare

This is DagDa Desh to Brown Control
We forgot to install the door
And I'm turtling in a most very thankful way
And the streets are looking rather clean, TOdaaaahaahaay

>>10953005
For here
Am I shitting in a wood fan
Far away from bobs of girls
Planet Earth is blue
And it's browning from my poo

anyone that has ever dealt with a pajeet coder knows exactly what went wrong here

>>10953005
>>10953019
so based

Don't underestimate durgasoft

>>10952347
>a /k/-run nuclear submarine
i shiver just thinking of it

>Even astronauts need to chill. Spending this #LaborDay weekend reading and relaxing by my favorite window. After a long week packed with science, a spacewalk, and a re-docking, it’s important to recharge your batteries to keep focused on bringing your best.

https://twitter.com/Astro_Christina/status/1168633443061776386

>>10950638
yo im telling you guys the Moon Aliens interfered with the Indian Moon Landing bro, just do an internet search, Aliens live on the moon and they kicked out the Americans, I think the Moon Aliens hacked or used an electromagnetic ray to disable the craft remotely, think about it

POO

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IT ALL RETURNS TO NOTHING
IT ALL COMES
TUMBLING DOWN
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>haven't yet mastered indoor plumbing. people literally go the beach just to shit in the water
>not a single stick of deoderant anywhere
>entire country smells like shit mixed body odor
>GDP basically equal to one bag of potato chips in the US
>unironically believes it can build a rocketship to the moon

>>10953658
If North Korea can send something to space, then India can send something to the moon. Spaceflight is gradually getting easier.

>>10951487
Trump is wasting millions of dollars on a retarded wall

>>10953661
No. When you say North Korea can "send something to space" you really mean "they can launch something 200km into the air". This is orders of magnitude easier than sending something to the moon and back.

>>10953668
best post so far

>>10950749
Yes. It's pretty expensive to get out of the orbital plane.

>>10953665
Im pretty sure the norks have operational satellites

>>10952347
>a /k/-run nuclear submarine
It's a long way to tipperary

>DESIGNATED CRASHING CRATER

>>10953693
how is any of this any different from how the average /k/ poster spend his days? Its not like they leave their home of anything

>>10953807
Hey, I go into my tunnels to dig and shoot sometimes

u fuckers india is not a poo country shut the fuck up you dont shit about engineering and cost management

>>10953715
based

>>10950638
India went too fast

First learn to poo in the loo
Then land on the moon.

Should have just been an orbiter. The program could have used the moral boost. It was a brave and ambitious attempt, but now it's Pakistan's turn.

>>10950893
zooomers have no idea who this is

>>10954096
Yes this is true. India is not a country.

>>10951487
>roughly equal to the cost of 1 (one) F-35

>>10951487
>roughly equal to the cost of a superhero movie

>>10954571
Be the laws of the free market, India wins with flying colors.
If america is going to spend 200 times more money to go to the moon then anyone who wants to go will pick India every time (once India can get it functioning).

>>10954577
Honestly I'd rather have avengers endgame than a moon mission.

>>10954585
I took this shit from my backyard with my lowest magnification eyepiece. How much closer to the moon do we really need to be than right here on Earth?

>>10950744
>the success they had getting to the moon
Wow they accomplished something the west did 50 years ago.

Their plan is simple. They are going to zerg rush the Moon. Then they will simply camp the base and win.

>India received $3.1 billion foreign aid in 2017.

>>10954761
Give more England.

>>10954761
>under $3 per person
Pretty insignificant
Doubly so considering their GDP is like 2.5 trillion

>>10954808
why am *I* paying *INDIA* money when it clearly has sufficient money at its disposal

>>10954813
Most of it is essentially investment in specific areas. A lot of that gets rolled in under "foreign aid".

So basically because corps want more cheap t-shirts to sell you.

>>10950638
>India fails to soft land on the moon

so did israel...

connection?

>>10950893
Holy fuck

>>10954214
Isn't Pakistan even more dysfunctional than India?

>>10954920
They're a smaller country so they benefit less from capitalism. Their 1% is poorer than Indias 1%

>>10951487
The US military ‘loses track of’ more than twice that every single year

I figured it out guys.
Beresheet didn't really crash land, it's the doing of Israel to establish a secret base on the moon
then they shot down the india lander to prevent them from discovering their zog machine

>>10954209
Lol

>>10950638
thats the only good thing that came out of this shithole
In an interview the chairman said due to extra fuel inside the orbiter it's going to stay up for 7 year

The half Paki part of me wants those extremist nationalist fucks to never succeed. But the science and space loving part of me wishes they do well (albeit for something that was accomplished many decades ago by Americans and Russians). I want to take this opportunity to remark on the absolute tragic yet based history of Russia. I wish those faggots well.

t. American

>https://www.firstpost.com/tech/science/chandrayaan-2-live-updates-isro-moon-landing-mission-india-latest-news-orbiter-lander-vikram-rover-pragyan-orbiter-lunar-surface-south-pole-live-status-7304801.html
Lander possibly not crashed. ISRO confirmed that lander was making communication with the orbiter. They're in the process of communicating with the lander.

>>10955332
>ISRO confirmed that lander was making communication with the orbite
your source doesn't mention anything about that, don't lie pajeet

>>10955323
Why does the paki half hate India?

>>10955403
Because India and Indians mostly hate Pakistan. I for one wish they worked that shit out and stayed as one India (and I'm not religious so fuck the Arab influence on the Middle East and Asia with their Islam shit, also fuck Hinduism to be fair) but this is where we stand.

>>10954612
And never did again. Which should tell you something.

>>10954209
>detroit2019.webm

>>10955403
3(or was it 4) wars started by Pakistan and India winning them.

>>10955406
That's not what should happen India and Pakistan should balkanise to form small states and form a union like the EU. That way everyone with their own race gets their own state

>>10951606
They don’t leave behind waste.

>>10951791
Scientist here. We would call it glass.

>>10951446
Are you american?

>>10956488
considering Ameria is a continent, yes

>>10956488
considering America is a continent, yes

I did my undergrad in the early 2000s. There was this obnoxious Indian kid in my program who would talk about how great India was going to be in only a few years. I swear in 2003 he said India would have a man on the moon by 2007. India will have the best military in the world by 2010. Indians have believed for decades that their country is on the cusp of greatness. Just give us a few more years, and then this great thing will happen. Now it's basically 2020 and they still shit outdoors. No meaningful economic of social progress has been made.

>>10956550
India still thirsts to prove itself and do anything of global relevance since gaining Independence in 1947. So far except 4 wars with Pakistan and a couple with China, and making nuclear bombs nothing has been done of note.

>>10956602
Also they're the fourth country to independently do human spaceflight, after US/Russia/China.

>>10956550
Both China/India are at the cusp of something. We're not certain what that is. China's realization is within a decade or so imo. India will follow China and match them where they can. As far as we can see, China has really big ambitions. India has modest ones.

I just hope it doesn't turn bloody in the coming next decade or two.

For fellow lottery-of-life-winning, tea drinking, former global imperialists, The Sky at Night is on BBC4 in about ten. Tonight's topic: Alien Worlds.

>>10951752

>>10956619
This is why we needed immigration, you retards. Without it, America's clout will wane.

>>10956619
China will surpass india it's GDP growth has drop down to 5

>>10956619
China was supposed to have surpassed the US already.

>>10950730
Toilet on their soil by 2030

>>10951388
The planet Earth is really far away and its just going to be a handful of extremely intelligent scientists, none of them wants to throw anyone out a spacelock at the pinnacle of their career, and all of them just want to get to the coffee machine inside the base. Until we have more stupid people in space, when push comes to shove someone will probably just turn off a transmitter.

>>10956857
Crap it was all a lie.

>>10957898
Projections were brainlet tier and didn't account for slowing down the economy. China had slowed down long before trumps tariffs

>>10952406
Saved

>>10955332
is this what Bollywood movies look like

>>10956857
>daily express
kill yourself

>>10957898
And it has in PPP, in terms of living standard, China has already caught up to Europe/US. This is most apparent in any of their coastal cities. They got computers, tvs, high speed internet, cable, cars, bikes, highways, high speed trains(surpassed both us/europe's total by multiple factor), bus, air conditioner, food, jobs, entertainment, etc. Ordinary Chinese can afford all the things modern Americans/Europeans can afford. The difference is then nominal value of GDP. As in transaction value when you convert the money from Chinese to US. Chinese are artificially keeping their value lower than the US because they can trade more. Imagine if the Chinese money value grew by 20%. Your cheap walmart goods now increased in price by 30%. No one would buy Chinese and instead buy American.

I refuse to believe they even actually launched a rocket. It's all an elaborate ruse. Indians ARE subhuman.

>>10950638
why the fuck india even bother with space if they are poor as hell

>>10959467
FOMO, creating national pride to use in politics

>>10954941

>>10959513
the zog machine will take your game from 0% to 100% and back.

If you're in an area that was destroyed or inaccessible at the beginning, or you need special items, you'll need to re-enter it.

The only item needed is the [BENEFICENT] potion.

NOTE: If, when you enter the zog machine while being zapped, you don't turn off any of its abilities, the item is lost. There are ways to save and reload, but they're difficult and time-intensive.

The [BENEFICENT] potion is required to enter the following areas:

Once inside the zog machine, you can switch between its three modes.

You can only switch it between 2 of its modes if the mode is the same as your current mode.

The zog machine is powered by a "Dumb Machine."

A dumb machine is a small computer that is always open. It's located in the basement.

>>10959467
India is one of the richest nations, just as long as you don't measure per capita.

>>10959542
oh so you mean they are not rich?

>>10959557
I mean their business owners taken together control a lot of money.

>>10959570
so they are not rich right?

>>10959631
Okay anon, they are poor as dirt. Ignore how their space program is only 0.3% of their government spending.

>>10959631
>Per capita
Yes
>As a nation
No

>>10959688
cool. so they are poor?
>>10959707
>>Per capita
>Yes
okay so they are poor right?

>>10951896

probably

>>10959720

0.49 what a shame. Nasa should always get 1% of our budget. There's nothing more important than high tech research.

>>10959720
Find a country between the US and India in GDP that doesn't have a space program.

>>10959730
i'm sure other research gets some budget, this is just for the space program remember.

>>10959742
nigeria

>>10959752
>still thinking per capita matters for space
All that means is the effect of diverting it to social services would get diluted even more.

>>10959720
I don't know but I'm sure they are poo

I wonder how /sci/ was like before this /pol/ infestation. Why are we making fun of India for trying to further their space exploration? You can argue about race realism or some political bullshit on /pol/. Get the fuck out.

>>10960656
cause they are subhuman and make bad music


and movies

>>10960700
They're a rich country

>>10960717
ok
now go cry on twitter about how you have to refuel your car every day

>>10960755
There's poor people in America too. Does that make america poor?

>>10960772
oh you mean one of those rural inbred meth addicts who earn enough to be middle class everywhere else in the world, and own 4 different cars and 100 different guns, but can't afford to go to orlando and actually don't even know it exists? yeah they are totally poor, and that's totally a sensible comparison

>>10960799
Its a fair comparison. The poor people don't matter. All the wealth is in the hands of the 1% and they're the ones that matter. India is a rich country. Almost as rich as France.

>>10960818
>import 3rd worlders
>WTF THERE IS POOP EVERYWHERE
well man if their elites can afford to smash a shitty probe against the moon that's not even the point, i meant that they have more glaring issues to tackle

>>10960700
thanks for reminding me that the infestation is real and that i'm either talking to an edgy teenager who's developing brain has been warped by vitriolic memes, or an adult who's too far down the rabbit hole and cannot distinguish memes from reality.

>>10960844
That's mostly from mentally ill homeless people.

>>10960873
>mostly

>>10960872
t. subbed to T-gay

>>10960872
since when did T-series start paying people to shill on 4chan? Get out, Rakesh. You have a tech support job to do.

>>10954209
Couldn't they at least put up some fences or something?

>>10960918
>>10960931
nice argument, enjoy your brain rot

>>10961026

>>10961026

>>10960844
No they don't. You don't get anything done if you tackle more glaring issues. Why don't you tackle your poor people then?
Americans love having poor people as slaves in their own country but when someone else like China or India does it then they're a 3rd world country?

DESIGNATED SHITTING MOON

>>10959720
Per capita is not as important as you think it is

>>10961193
Median income is more important desu. But that's if you want to live in India. Is India a bad place to live if you're poor? Yes.
Can India still advance science and achieve stuff? Yes.