/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10916197
we were the ones that changed them into historic times

>>10916197
They were the shamans/mystics of the group.

>>10916197
Ugh. The 1930's through the 1950's completely fucked up the reincarnation cycle. Promise of a simpler life just eroded the concept of personality. Look at all these autistic fucking souls reincarnating with zero social awareness.

>>10916197
>>10916197
Asperger's syndrome, just like schizophrenia, sociopathy and bipolar disorder served certain niche functions in a tribal setup, presupposing that any accompanying disabilites were not too grave. The same reason why color blindness persisted among men.
Another aspect that gets frequently forgotten is the fact that a tribal setup more often than not facilitates and alleviates symptomes of psychological disorders. The manifestation of schizophrenia in tribal societies differs considerably from "modern" schizophrenia insofar that the subject does not suffer from self-hating, aggressive and paranoid hallucinations. A tribal member with Aspergers similarily fared better in a world where the only people he met are those that he had already known for years.

>>10916218
Cringe

>>10916197
Shamanism, trades.

>>10916197
Don't matter them just rape small 13 years olds girls

>>10916197
Probably, killer ape theory is developed by sociopathic inceloids in order to cope with their social dysfunction and deviant maliciousness.

>>10916306
LE EPIC CRINGE XDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe they were the people who drew animals on cave walls

>>10916919
Women paint cavers

>>10916919
Bottom left bison looks like reeing pepe

>>10916197
Abnormal people were killed within tribes in prehistoric times.

>>10916218
This. You're imagining it through a modern lens. Historically a fraction of people like this either readily led, or subjugated, the others in the group. They were proto-Machiavellians.

>>10916303
My professor has color blindness and he has children. Clearly he doesn't give a shit about the human race. That's why he reproduced to spread color blindness

>>10918095
What a cunt. We should have a centralized body that determines who is fit to breed, people clearly can't handle it on their own.

>>10916197
Our ancestors
>Got out of the oceans
>Climbed down from the trees
>Walked out of the caves

Guess who led each of these monumental changes. Hint: hardly the neurotypicals.

>>10916232

lol no

>>10919754
Bees replace dead queens.

>>10918018

> They were proto-Machiavellians.

keep telling yourself that.

you need to understand and have social awareness to be able to manipulate people

>>10919754

>Guess who led each of these monumental changes.

lol not people who are obsessed with repetition and routines

>>10919787
Not, but the people who had no idea about personal dangers and lots of curiosity.

>>10919841
people who had no idea about personal dangers tended to die in childhood

>>10919841

Being obsessed with one topic is not the same thing as being curious.

The only thing you mentioned that *might* make aspies suited for "leading monumental changes" is being oblivious to danger.

But oh wait, that's not actually a trait of people with autism/aspergers.

>>10919871
>Being obsessed with one topic is not the same thing as being curious.
Obsession and curiousity are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
>>the people who had no idea about personal danger
>But oh wait, that's not actually a trait of people with autism/aspergers.
Why not? I had no problem befriending people that exploited me because my aspergers makes me bad at reading people.
>>10919787
>>Guess who led each of these monumental changes.
>lol not people who are obsessed with repetition and routines
Well, if the things they are obsessed about are very different from things most people do, they kinda will lead monumental changes. To implement changes you need to repeat them.

>>10919778
You really don't. You just view them as objects and do reverse engineering as usual. Black box testing and all the rest of it works just fine. Add a little introspection, there you go. A hobbled, but still workable indirect theory of mind.

>>10916197
Asperger's syndrome is a result of brain damage caused by microbial infection, the same as homosexuality or schizophrenia.
A depressed immune system such as caused by an extremely stressful childhood could result in increased chances of infection.
Modern population densities cause huge amounts of disease which is why autism is a modern phenomenon.

>>10921195
CLAMPED
VAXXED
FLUORIDATED
CIRCUMPUTED
INFOWARS

>>10919754
>Our ancestors
>>Got out of the oceans
yeah dude our autistic ampibian fish ancestors led the charge and got out of the oceans

They tinkered with shit and it fuckin werked.

Also the imminent danger of death and uncertainty pre-industrial was enough of a reason to act in a different capacity.

>>10921195
Post some sources hombre

>>10921195
this is great! submit your findings!

>>10916306
from a literal standpoint I think it's correct
history as defined by "shit that's written down" comes from people that care about history
who's going to care about writing down day-to-day shit when you can barely manage not dying of plague and famine? autistics and obsessives, that's who

>>10919852
back then everyone tended to die in childhood

>>10921195
kek, nice one

>>10916197
Neurotypicallity is at most thousands of years old. It's a green beard allele that allows the carriers to secretly communicate with each other at the cost of making them mentally retarded (while believing everyone else is, because they don't understand). It's only typical among whites.

>>10921195
It's the neurotypical people who are losing synapses and seem to have damaged neurons. (neurotypical neuron on the left, autistic neuron on the right) But as I said it is likely genetic.

>>10921456
>Neurotypicallity
Doesn't exist. What we call "normal" is an Elizabethan delusion that's been inflicted on humanity top-down for a few centuries. Autism is a """"spectrum"""" because people can't process that individuality and uniqueness is strictly normal on a genetic level.

>>10921500
Neurotypical means the standard brain which is determined by sampling everyone with an IQ below 100.

>>10918095
That is why as an autist I aspire to reproduce, just because it pisses off cunts like you.

>>10921491
What's the probability that an HFA such as myself has more neurons than a neurotypical?

>>10921332
There is a huge difference between dying of diseases and dying because they took a huge risk. Only the latter has the potential of payoff.

>>10916303
good post.

>>10916197
what survival mechanism did autism provide in such a setting? i've thought into this but couldn't find a convincing reason unlike schizophrenia which had delusions and hallucinations to initiate raiding on would be tribe locations (over hills)

>>10921669
It provided group survival by thinking along entirely new lines. Switching from gathering and hunting to farming required thinking about how plants work, how the cycle of planting and harvesting and importantly gathering more seeds for the next year and all this work. That was a radical change, and chances are it was not a neurotypical one.

Same with the difference going from picking up a random stone that happened to be sharp to shaping stones by carefully striking certain materials such as flint or obsidian. Or inventing a boat, the wheel, bows and more.

Most people by far are satisfied with the every day life. You have to be very different to point the way forward.

>>10921733
does anyone have any other ideas as to how autism could proliferate? keep in mind autism could specifically be a modern malfunction and could have been relatively nonexistent when we wuz kangs. even down syndrome has a proposed survival mechanism
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16737781

>>10921733
actually looking it up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism#Social_development
i can see traits such
>The limited data suggest that, in children with intellectual disability, autism is associated with aggression, destruction of property, and meltdowns.[42]
being a good reproductive/survival mechanism and the associated retardation that comes with autism would have been significantly less apparent in malnourished times

>>10916899
Fucking BASED

>>10921744
>>10921746
seems like a lot of the traits people with down syndrome have in that study are also present in autistic people. most notably, the increase in chance due to mother age. seems like people with the 4chans were little shit disturbers in prehistoric times

>>10921563
Nearly 100%.
>>10921669
Better senses, higher intelligence.
>>10921733
>>10921744
No. The switch to neurotypicality might not have happened later than ancient Athens. Most people in the world are still autistic-like and that is the healthy state of human being. Or peraps it's when more primitive people got exposed to civilization, and Neurotypicals are tha last remnants of a pre-modern human mind. But it doesn't seem like that.
>>10921744

Down syndrome has nothing to do with autism.
>>10921746
Autistic people are not like that, on the contrary, they usually have (sometimes extremely) mild personalities. If they don't it's a misdiagnos is or they were given drugs.
>>10921754
The paper is nonsense.

>>10916232
those were the schizos

>>10919754
>Walked out of the caves
Our ancestors come from the savannas, that's how we became endurance runners and good hunters. That's like saying modern humans evolved in brick houses.

>>10921766
>>10921769
>>10921772
>>10921773
Mostly nonsense. Neurotypicals are technically on the schizophrenia spectrum, most of their "theory of mind" "lie detection" etc. are pure delusions and don't actually work any better than ESP when scientifically tested; autistic people interpret gaze as negative, like the majority people in the world. (Neurotypical people perceive gaze as positive and a lack of it as negative, most of the world sees prolonged eye contact as a gesture of criticism)

>>10919754
this
>>10921788
homo sapiens evolved in africa then after numerous waves and failed supplantation of archaic humans outside of africa one wave finally broke through and started modern civilization. some reverse social autist would really counteract the social black man leaving africa

>>10921798
there were hunter-gathers societies everywhere outside of africa
have sex trumptard

>>10921790
This describes neurotypical people, only they describe their hallucinations as their "inner voice" and thought insertion as either intuition, mind reading or "gut feelings".

It's also important to distinguish what global and local processing means. Autistic people process holistically within a singular domain (i.e. whole picture, sentence etc. at once) but the holism doesn't cross modalities. Psychotic people see individuals domains fragmented into individual objects, but they process each object as one whole across modalities. (they can perceive only one (or very few) object at once, but the image and the sound it makes, its smell etc. appear to be mixed into one indivisible whole and the information from one domain influences other domains)

>>10921799
?

>>10921801
africa had civilization, the americas had civilization, the middle east had civilization, europe had civilization, everyone has archaic DNA in the same way 8% of human DNA comes from viruses
autists don't start civilizations but are second in command because they are good at specialization. CHADS start civilization because they become kangz while the autists are the betas who take up engineering large monuments and tombs and get paid by chad.

>>10921805
i was talking pre 10,000 bc when those places did not have civilization

>>10921760
Being an HFA where would my IQ most likely stand? I've never taken a test before and I'm curious if I'm most likely above average or just average?

>>10921808
objectively wrong

>>10921800
This fragmentation may be easily seen when you talk with schizos adn they get stuck on individual words you said and ascribe supposedly intended meaning to them. As they cannot process the word within the context of the sentence.


Their loose associations also because of this fragmented world views and the resutling trouble of processing relations between objects. Schizos may not be able to form the relation between e.g. grass and cow or egg and chicken, and may instead link the cow with the chicken (because they are both animals) and the egg with milk instead.

>>10921818
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=ab25
do ants have comparable civilizations because they have high populations?

>>10916218
Based aspie

>>10921818
>Mexico was at one point more populous than China and India

>>10917242
You need to stop it with the frog memes incel

>>10921746
I guess meltdown would be far rarer in the more calm and quiet prehistoric times. Fewer people, less screaming, no 0730 train to catch to work.

>>10916218
based sperg

>>10921833
you need to go back

>>10921772
Isn't a smaller corpus callosum counter to the idea of higher connectivity among autists?

>>10916303
Unironically the best reply on this thread. Everything else is stupid powerlevelling and dickmeasuring that doesn't apply to real life.

>>10921829
Ants create cities too

>>10916197
It was an asset back then. The only people who could cave dwell for long autistic periods of time without becoming an-hero were likely people with heavy set autism and fixation on things like numbers/writing etc etc.

>>10916197
Holy shit, I have all of those symptoms, but I don't find myself an autist, I even had sex 2 times. Do I have asperger or maybe something in-between?

>>10916197
I don't think so. Their social behavior most likely got them in trouble or put the community in danger. They were most likely put to death or exiled from the community.

>>10921832
> 9000 B.C.
But I still don't believe it. That doesn't seem to make any sense. Since the indigenous people of America only entered the continent from Asia around 10,000 B.C.E. So that means they needed enough time to migrate south and reproduce like hell and have enough food to support the population...all in less than 500 years.

>>10921800
Thanks for the input

I know just the book

>>10922393
The actual symptoms are a lot more complicated than what is shown on the list. Asperger's has a severe impact in school, relationships, and work

>>10919787
>obsessed with repetition and routines

This describes normies, they all dress the same they all think the same and act the same,
and if you act differently you're "bad"

This is why most historical figures aren't normies, normies are like on-rails people, they won't do anything outside of what's comfortable to them or what's "normal" in their group

>>10922464
>But I still don't believe it. That doesn't seem to make any sense. Since the indigenous people of America only entered the continent from Asia around 10,000 B.C.E.

That’s not it’s more like 14,000 BCE and one study dated a hominid fossil to over 100,000 years old

>>10922575
being obsessed with repetition and routines is literally one of the symptoms of Aspergers outlined in the OP

>>10916218
I got chills...

>>10922702
>being obsessed with repetition and routines is literally one of the symptoms of Aspergers outlined in the OP
Yes, and that's not a hinderance for innovation. His point is that normies can't change the world because they are normal. Freaks change the world when they dare to persist on their unique ideas. Repetition legitimizes. It's not necessarily the aspies that change themselves, but the aspies change the world because they are different. Additionally, obsessive incremental change is the true road to innovation. So aspies are natural innovators of the self as well. They made all of this.

>>10922448
Or they could be the ones that escaped the bicameral mind of Julian Jaynes' theory.

>>10922767
>Freaks change the world when they dare to persist on their unique ideas.

of course people who are different change the world, your mistake is conflating autism with being different
Aspies aren't freaks, because they aren't different.

Just think about it; they all share the exact same symptoms like they came out of some kind of cookie cutter.

>>10922919
>>of course people who are different change the world, your mistake is conflating autism with being different
>Aspies aren't freaks, because they aren't different. Just think about it; they all share the exact same symptoms like they came out of some kind of cookie cutter.
Imagine coping this hard. Imagine the cognitive dissonance. Around 1% of the population has any form autism. Aspergers rates are at approximately under 0.5%. Obsessive interests let's them dwelve as deep as possible into literally any field that isn't people oriented. Their obsessions draws them further and further away from the norm. The group is naturally divergent.

>>10922919
>Just think about it; they all share the exact same symptoms like they came out of some kind of cookie cutter.
They don't similarly to how half of all schizophreniacs don't even hallucinate. You just outed yourself as a pseud.

>>10922572
Some people manage just fine.

It varies a lot.

>>10923004
Depends on both the patients and circumstances. The fact that up until quite recently most Aspies weren't even diagnosed shows that most of them are able to cope quite well, atleast on a superficial level which however is in no way a valid measurement of the degree of suffering or lack of suffering such people xperience.
If however we start treating people based on what category we have classified them into instead of the level of individual distress they experience, we introduce a new understanding of psychology and medicine in general. The desire not to treat people anymore centered around their own individual well-being and degree of functional ability but based on normative rules that state who is to be treated and who is not, divorced from any consideration of personal happiness. There is no obvious reason, once we abandon the realm of subjective experience, why "normal" people (or what some call "neurotypical" people) are inherently superior to all other people. Is an highly successful aspie inferior to an drug-addicted homeless because the latter happens to be considered neurotypical.

>>10916240
take your meds schizo

>>10923030
Prior to humans living in major cities and literacy being widespread, arguably there's not nearly as much complexity in social interactions that could be a difficulty for aspergers people. In any case it could have also been confused with other common issues like depression or stress disorders. Likelyhood of going unnoticed would be high.

Even if we don't look THAT far back, there's all kinds of personalities that could have been affected by aspergers: Isaac Newton, Diogenes, Nietzsche, Da Vinci, Van Gogh, etc.

>>10922702
>being obsessed with repetition and routines is literally one of the symptoms of Aspergers outlined in the OP
I don't think I've ever actually seen it in practice. There is a lack of hedonic adaptation, so what Aspies like once, they will like for the tenth time. Aspies don't mind wearing the same clotghes every day, getting the same haircut, eating the same food most of the time, etc. They will adapt easily if they see a reason for doing so. I think that Aspies don't actually form habits in any meaningful sense, so they don't have any technical problem with changing everything overnight, (which would be a problem for most neurotypicals) they just don't see any reason to. They don't need change for the sake of change.

>>10923004
>Some people manage just fine.
Well, they hide their issues and use piloting. And are totally exhausted at the end of the day. Not sure this is "just fine".
Especially in school life can be hard.

>>10924560
But I'm diagnosed with ass burgers and go to 6 courses a semester and never feel tired.

>>10916197
Yes because autists are modern neanderthal "neoderthal" as I've recently taken to calling them
They can be really strong, way more than normie faggots, and are of course smarter so there is no reason they would not survive.
also this
>>10916218

>>10924567
>faggots
Why the homophobia?

>>10923361
This is pretty accurate. Using psychological mumbo jumbo Aspies basically don't have a self-concept. They can become a completely different person who acts, thinks, talks, behaves, etc. completely differently and it doesn't bother them.

I have Asperger's Syndrome and it really sucks. You get humiliated every day of your life in public school to the point where you don't care anymore. You just come to fear and loathe normalfags from the moment you arrive to the moment you leave grades k-12. It seriously made me psychotic and delusional, with an aversion to people and a strong fixation on my interests. It's not a superpower, it's just a source of commitment and fixation. Math and science have always been an escape for me.

>>10924584
>bluh bluh bluh it's all muh ass burgers fault it's not mah fault
bro

>>10924588
You're right, I did have a choice whether or not to be autistic and I decided to be autistic entirely of my own free will.

>>10924567
No, on the contrary. Neurotypical people may be a remnant of neanderthal like thinking. Aspies are less neanderthal like. Also only whites are neurotypical, if you go to china, japan, everyone is autistic except hardened cirminals.

>>10924574
No, only they don't consider random things as part of their self.

>>10924584
Only whites are predominantly neurotypical. Everywhere else it's the opposite. (I'd say even muslims seem to be mostly aspie, or at least closer to us than other whites. China Japan are 100% aspie except Yakuza and such) Yes, whites hate us and fear us like other animals do.

>>10924567
No, on the contrary. Neurotypical people may be a remnant of neanderthal like thinking. Aspies are less neanderthal like. Also only whites are neurotypical, if you go to china, japan, everyone is autistic except hardened cirminals.

>>10924574
No, only they don't consider random things as part of their self. I'd say it's not even about self, it's that there isn't the second self neurotypicals call their brain that does things for them and they cannot help it.

>>10924584
Only whites are predominantly neurotypical. Everywhere else it's the opposite. (I'd say even muslims seem to be mostly aspie, or at least closer to us than other whites. China Japan are 100% aspie except Yakuza and such) Yes, whites hate us and fear us like other animals do.

>>10924656
Schizoposting or corroborative data?

>>10924677
Yes. Cognitive/psychological tests turn out aspie like in non whites. The chinese and even egypteans need to be taught how to process the meaning the "neurotypical" way when they are taugt English, otherwise they never learn it. (this may be the reason why children of immigrants often radicalize - they parents are given a leeway as foreigners, but their children get ostracized as "retarded".)

>>10916197
They would've been largely ignored and ostracised until they invented the wheel or the spear due to their fascination with objects and got infinite pussy as a result. They were essentially the software developers of the paleolithic.

>>10924702
Any group of aspies would outlive a group of normies becasue of their superior communication and because normies would would spend most of the time tactizing and even sabotaging each other so that they themseves should pose as the best hunter (not like this lazy retard who caught nothing because we lied to him when the elks are), refuse to hunt when it's too cold, rainy or dark, miss food because they were thniking about ass and generally go all insane from the discomfort of the elements. Normies likely could not survive until there was agriculture and enough to take a posession of.

>>10924702
Any group of aspies would outlive a group of normies becasue of their superior communication and because normies would would spend most of the time tactizing and even sabotaging each other so that they themseves could pose as the best hunter (not like this lazy retard who caught nothing because we lied to him when the elks are), refuse to hunt when it's too cold, rainy or dark, miss food because they were thniking about ass and generally go all insane from the discomfort of the elements. Normies likely could not survive until there was agriculture and enough to take a posession of.

>>10919754
the first land creatures didn't get out of the oceans......they were lungfish that lived in shallow seasonal lakes in flood plains that evaporated from time to time.

>>10921226 >>10921788 >>10924733
Failing to understand a metaphor. Autism at its best?

>>10924817
>Conflating autism with several intellectual disability with Asperger's.
>Used out-dated descriptions of Autism stemming from the '60s.
Most people seem unable to differentiate between cases but that is given considering the abyssal IQ of the average person.

>>10924830
Or it might be a ploy to start medicating people with Asperger's as if they also had ADHD. Note the comments about "co morbidity".

>>10924560
>Well, they hide their issues and use piloting. And are totally exhausted at the end of the day. Not sure this is "just fine". Especially in school life can be hard.
I have aspergers and I agree. Though what's piloting?

>>10925911
>Though what's piloting?
Neurotypicals navigate social setting by pure reflexes and intuition.
Aspergers' lack that part and navigate social setting like a captain piloting a huge ship between treacherous reefs.

>>10926013
You realize, of course, why that's inoptimal, right?

>>10926035
Not sure what you mean, please expand.

>>10921327
>grog beat greg, take his wife
>grog want this to be remembered
>grog make shaman carve on tablet grog victory

>>10926045
Most people haven't stabbed you.

>>10926013
Alright, nice word. I agree.
>>10926035
>You realize, of course, why that's inoptimal, right?
I think he does realize that's inoptimal in a nontrivial amount of situations. He actually argued for it in this post >>10924560 This based sperg is a sucker for nuance. It appears you're not.

>>10926163
I just didn't read the thread because all the other autists will detect and emphasize the nuance for me. I suppose that's why you said "appears."

>>10926169
:)

>>10923091
>Even if we don't look THAT far back, there's all kinds of personalities that could have been affected by aspergers: Isaac Newton, Diogenes, Nietzsche, Da Vinci, Van Gogh, etc.
You're just saying le quirky genius = aspie, which is not true. People can be quirky, smart and socially impaired while not being autistic.
There are literally no evidences for these people to have had any form of autism, just conjecture.

>>10926446
Not him. Autism is diagnosed by mostly behavioral traits. Traits which for these famous people is described by historians. Thus I fail to see how
>There are literally no evidences for these people to have had any form of autism
You could argue that the evidence is weak, but it is there nonetheless. From this evidence a trend emerges that geniuses tends to have autistic traits. This does of course not imply that people with autistic traits are geniuses. In other words, he's not saying that
>You're just saying le quirky genius = aspie,

ITT: spergs being spergs

>>10916197
When you hunt in forest for days straight, who will worry if you have odd speech patterns? Normies are womyn that spent all their time in a cave doing social interaction.

>>10916303
>A tribal member with Aspergers similarily fared better in a world where the only people he met are those that he had already known for years.
Probably true. Connecting with new people is exceedingly hard for non-neurotypicals.

>>10923030
Holy fuck this. I've been saying this for years.

>>10926446
Quirky, smart and socially impaired is basically the definition of autism. The other traits of Diogenes, like forming beliefs by trying to deny existing knowledge, (rather than trying to prove what you already know) dislike of lying, feeling closer to animals than other people and his complete lack of being bothered by bad weather are also fairly typical for autism

>>10926446
Quirky, smart and socially impaired is basically the definition of autism. The other traits of Diogenes, like forming beliefs by trying to deny existing knowledge, (rather than trying to prove what you already know)his dislike of lying and his complete lack of being bothered by bad weather are also fairly typical for autism. Feeling closer to animals than other people is also not uncommon among autists.

It's always a hoot seeing the resident autistic supremacist(s) doing their thing.

>>10927475
Its always a h00t watching people with low verbal iq express themselves anonymously

>>10927480
>Its

>>10927491
like I said low verbal

neurotic too!

>>10927495
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

>>10926094
This makes no sense. What did anon smoke?

>>10916197
Yes, the demands of peoples' social skills, attention span, etc have become more and more specific/high in modernity.

>>10928134
Anon didn't smoke anything; when you are autistic people who don't try to abuse you are extremely rare.

>>10923030
>Is an highly successful aspie inferior to an drug-addicted homeless because the latter happens to be considered neurotypical.
Asking or stating?

The majority of the neurotypical feel superior to the slightest deviation from their norm. At the same time they demand the latest technological and medical advances, many of which are due to people with Asperger's. That could be why scientists get little coverage, people prefer to keep their superiority intact.

>>10916197
easily if born into a wealthy and powerful family
in the other case: they just died quickly

>>10916197
>>10916197
easily if born into a wealthy and powerful family
in the other case: they just died quickly unless super lucky

>>10928840
>when you are autistic people who don't try to abuse you are extremely rare
I know. I just had hope at least 4ch would be a haven.

>>10929414
>At the same time they demand the latest technological and medical advances, many of which are due to people with Asperger's.
Sorry what?

>>10916197
Yes, because autistic people actually cared about shit. They kept up with things and remembered every little fuckup or success. And with violence being common currency, beating THOTs, ganging up on bullying retards thinking they were still chimps, and caring enough to keep track of whatever grabbed at their brains, which without media entertainment, would have been the seasons and the stars.

They did quite well.

Why do you think we have been so heavily targeted to be drugged up? Why do you think the "Zero Tolerance" policy actually targets people who fight back?

>>10921769
>Sever autism
>Sever
Did you make this?

>>10921491
So the left has more depth,judging by out of focus, than the autist?. Looking at the stemming action occurring the autist is at a lower angle than the neurotypical. So it looks like the autist has a fuck tonne of connections going only one direction?
Also there seems to be a difference in quality of imaging. Did they use different techniques?

>>10921818
>indians multiplying like literal cockroaches for 6000 years
really makes you think

>>10924584
I agree man. I get weird looks all the time in public, like I have some special aura that people just know about and I don't know specifically what it is that sets them off that I'm different from the rest, and they judge me by natural instinct. I am pretty much immune to negative feelings from others thoughts about me, like I'm outside their view of status just focusing on my own vision.

>>10921817
I would say above 70, but since reading this comment, below 70.

>>10930185
You'd better accept it, because it's true. Most NTs are spoiled brats that feel like autists owe them all sorts of things. I suppose it's tied together with that NTs feel like autists are a complete drag socially. If they are going to put up with it, they want something back. They feel justified to use them because they don't see them a true member of the social group. Sometimes they get the double whammy of being ostracized AND exploited at the same time. It's somewhat similar to the situation with non-autistic ntelligent people, but more severe because NTs feel like non-autistic intelligent people are a proper part of group.

>>10930231
>Also there seems to be a difference in quality of imaging. Did they use different techniques?
No they didn't. The neurotypical neuron is just so frayed, you can't see the details because they are gone.

>>10930248
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep40700

>>10921769
This is not correct. More appropriate (but not really technically correct, I believe) would be two dimensions: 1) ability to come up with ideas 2) ability to reject ideas. Autistic people have a much bigger capacity to reject ideas, which may seem like a lack of creativity, but in reality they just come up with better quality ideas. If the ability to reject ideas is much weaker, the result is madness, since the person starts bulding up new ideas on already incorrect knwoledge and generate more nonsense than their "garbage disposal" can remove, so the wrongness piles up. There is no "balanced" point, there is just a typical point and neurotypical poeple pretty suck at rejecting nonsense. They only understand each other because they are all alike, not because they are objectivelly better.

>>10921790
>>10921773
>>10921772
>>10921769
>>10921766
>tfw you have most of the positive and negative symptoms of both of these

>>10931888
For example, as a child you may see a person looking left while they were lying. You may form a hypothesis that people look left when they lie. Over time, you notice that people look left with no other indication that they are lying, so you reject this hypothesis. However, if your ability to reject ideas is far too weak, you don't reject it, instead you start thinking these people must lying. So not only you "know" that people look left when they lie, you also "know" that the things they told you while looking left are lies. People with too low ability to reject ideas fail to form a coherent view of the logical rules that govern the world because of this and eventually become insane.

>>10931888
For example, as a child you may see a person looking left while they were lying. You may form a hypothesis that people look left when they lie. Over time, you notice that people look left with no other indication that they are lying, so you reject this hypothesis. However, if your ability to reject ideas is far too weak, you don't reject it, instead you start thinking these people must lying. So not only you "know" that people look left when they lie, you also "know" that the things they told you while looking left were lies. People with too low ability to reject ideas fail to form a coherent view of the logical rules that govern the world because of this and eventually become insane.

>>10931888
>>10931933
Care to share were you base this on

>>10931940
It's very common for insane people to believe they can see when somebody is lying to them.

>>10931999
checked and somewhat true

>>10932008
Can you elaborate?

>>10916197
You know facebook wasn't a thing back then, sabertooth tigers were.

we woz fine

>>10931888
I've already heard of many assumptions that were introduced in order to understand the differences between Autists and Non-autists. One of them being that Non-autists apparently fail to realize that their counterpart has his own theory of mind. Others include non-verbal learning disability in autists or too much affective empathy in autists. Part of the problem is the following observation.

Most studies are done on non-verbal autists. Verbally (intellectually) retarded kids in most cases. Characteristics that are drawn from such studies are then applied to all autists, which also includes Aspies and high-functional autists. Their own personality (characteristics) are then explained by neurological and psychological models drawn from children whose intelligence doesn't allow for normal social behavior in the first place. If you study an intellectually handicapped person whose syndromes show manifestations that are superficially similar to the quirks of some aspies, is it a legitime strategy to generalize them in such a way that there is made no difference between the two?

The problem is more extensive than that either. One of the problems which psychologists suffered for ages was the ignorance towards the patient's own view of the world. Since the patient was already mentally "ill", his own descriptions of what he feels and what he thinks cannot possibly be true. There is, as far as I know, up until today very little research done on how Aspies feel when they are confronted by situations where they act distinctively differently.
Many Aspies say that their lack of eye contact is caused by the emotional straining they feel from this. Eye contact is too direct, too aggressive, too intim. This in fact is somewhat a normal behavior among animals where prolonged eye contact nearly always means aggression. If we assume that eye contact is simply a part neglected by aspies, why are so many of them adamant about the notion that it emotionally overwhelms them?

>>10932477
Now, this fear, this overwhelming sensation, may cause aspies from an early age to shut down, to isolate themselves from the source. They cease making eye contacts. This in fact is often one of the early manifestations of autism. I will not try to answer the question whether or not the lack of eye contact is caused by these emotions or whether these emotions are caused by the lack of eye contact in the first place. There is definitely some innate part about autists that makes them different but it is not necessarily the social one. Such abnormalities however then ccause children to develop maladaptive. Since they shut in, do not respond to outside stimuli and avoid rather than incite social contact, they never properly internalize social customs and "unwritten rules". Later on, they realize what they've missed out on just in order to catch up but similarly to a person who did not learn a language as a child, there will always be some accent.

>>10931888
Based. It's obvious that Aspies are objectively better at evaluating information of any kind, and that neurotypicals are inferior at evaluating information of any kind. You would withdraw socially too if you were surrounded by psychotic retards who can't even justify their most fundamental beliefs without resorting to circular logic.

>>10931888
Can we extrapolate and conclude autists are immune to sunk cost fallacy?

>>10921489
whoa.
i didnt understand a word.
Green beard allele?
I better call my boy Sonic Hedgehog and Homer Simpson to know what crazy genetics you're talking about.

>>10932477
>Eye contact is too direct, too aggressive, too intim. This in fact is somewhat a normal behavior among animals where prolonged eye contact nearly always means aggression. If we assume that eye contact is simply a part neglected by aspies, why are so many of them adamant about the notion that it emotionally overwhelms them?
It is a normal behavior among people as well, western culture is the exception. Western culture reverses most other signals, actually not just eye contact, irony/sarcasm (so unfriendly that is essentially unthinkable in some cultures), ruining other person's reputation (raises social status in western culture, causes loss of face elsewhere), agressive jokes (positive in western culture, negative in other cultures), lying about intentions to cover up failure/exagerrating one's status/abilities (laughable in other cultures, expected "social skill" in the west) etc.

>>10932733
No idea how you got that from it. Never thought about that one/I don't know.

>>10932745
Hope this helps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green-beard_effect
Use google next time.

More on the imprinted brain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hSrIKWtZEQ

>>10932927
>No idea how you got that from it.
I like to extrapolate and see where it takes me. In this case rejecting a bad idea is all about recognising reality. Sunk cost fallacy is all about clinging to a bad idea that one upon a time looked good.

>Never thought about that one/I don't know.

>>10933059
there’s a lot of bad mentally deranged ideas in this thread did you notice that?

>>10933066
A lot? No, I didn't notice that. Such as?

>>10920318
being bad at reading people doesnt mean unawareness of nonsocial dangers

>>10919871
>>10920318
>>10933333
I think that most aspies initially fear less, perhaps much less, but over time they develop paranoia from getting abused for not being paranoid enough.

>>10932927
>Western culture reverses most other signals
This is how aspies often ruin their reputations by trying to be nice. They may avoid making disgusting jokes, but come to be seen as oblivious; interpret attempts as being friendly as personal attacks or may even grow closer to people who don't particuarly like them, because they are at least not being hurtful (avoid being "friendly" and hoping the person gets a clue)...

>>10933280
based sperglord, give 'em hell

>>10933333
Check those digits.

>>10916197
Well, they still exist, so I'm gonna go ahead and say yes. You don't need to understand social cues to get the fuck out of there when a predator is chasing you.

>>10927338
>Quirky, smart and socially impaired is basically the definition of autism
No. It's basically the definition of being quirky, smart and socially impaired and that's it.
Autism is way more complex than that. You're distorting the concept so it fits a way bigger percentage of the population than it actually describes. What you're doing is akin to diagnosing every misbehavin kid as having ADHD.
I'm literally all of that stuff (or at least people describe me as so) and I'm not autistic. I also know people who are like that too and are definitely not autists.

>>10931933
Holy shit stop describing my father

>>10932962
>1:30 minutes in some insane lady opens with a prayer
yeah... that's a hard pass from me

>>10916303
Schizophrenia and mania are unequivocally maladaptive. Even in a tribal setup, psychosis will fuck you up and drastically reduce your chance of finding a viable mate with which to pass on your genes. It's much more likely that psychotic disorders emerge as a consequence of bad luck combined with the precarious nature of the human brain.

>>10933425
>I think that most aspies initially fear less, perhaps much less, but over time they develop paranoia from getting abused for not being paranoid enough.
Well put. It's true in my case.

>>10932477
>One of them being that Non-autists apparently fail to realize that their counterpart has his own theory of mind.
Normies are just egocentric brainlets that have butthurt when someone thinks different. They just have no mental capacity to allow different ideas and they are absolutely mad about it.

If this eye contact meme is true and everyone outside of the West is autistic, why do Somali immigrants call (vit D deficiency induced) autism "the swedish sickness"?

>>10934970
No idea, neber heard of that and autism is not vitamin D deficiency. Google disagrees with eye contact in Somali culture: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sctimes.com/amp/81100242 I think that neurotypocal people may be seen as autistic in other cultures; at least that was my impression from a few diagnosed Japanese and Korean autists. Their manners and body langyage seemed 100% western despite them growing up at home.

>>10916197
>Unusual sensitivity to [...] sound
This interests me. Does this mean any sound is unpleasant or that one is able to hear what nobody else can? My hearing is sensitive in the latter kind, I can hear what few others can. The downside is that noise is very unpleasant and that loud environments makes speech unintelligible, like sound is distorted.

>>10916197
Vaccines weren't invented yet.

>>10916218
>>10916303
t. Meme answers

When people with autism spectrum disorder get a fever their symptoms tend to improve, this proves that autism isn't some kind of static irreversible brain disorder where the brain is inexorably damaged and there's no hope of recovery and that the normal healthy brain circuits are still there intact but for some reason aren't functioning properly.

https://www.spectrumnews.org/wiki/fever/

There are multiple reason for why autism spectrum disorder happens, one of which is caused by build up of calcium-oxalate crystals in the brain blocking sulfur uptake in the brain and pulling sulfate out of the cells causing oxidative stress and mTor disruption. Which is why a compound in raw broccoli called "sulforaphane" helps improve autism symptoms, since sulforaphane and sulfur does the same thing in the body, but sulforaphane uses a different pathway, one that is not blocked by calcium oxalate cystals.

oxalates and autism:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5845898/
https://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/articles-1/2015/11/13/oxalates-control-is-a-major-new-factor-in-autism-therapy

raw broccoli improves autism (randomized control trial):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5672987/

Oxalate build up in the brain would've never happened in pre historic times due to seasonal consumption of fruits/vegetables and a diet that was centered largey around meat, which has a negligible amount of oxalates.

Other reasons autism might develop is because of a Vitamin D3 deficiency, since D3 increases the amount of sulfide you have in your cells, although I'm pretty sure the mechanism for why this happens is unknown.

Randomized controlled trial of vitamin D supplementation improves autism in children:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27868194/

Vitamin D3 boosts sulfide tissue concentrations:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23342923/

>>10935047
Nah, it’s not the superpower version. I find sunglasses intensely comforting on sunny days. And I can tell the difference between standard incandescent lighting and fluorescent lighting, but only because the color of most incandescent lights makes my vision feel slightly filtered.

I always listen to music at a reasonable volume.

>>10935061
Tell me the sample size and describe the control group of each of those and maybe I’ll believe you.

>>10935104
randomized trials have little meaningfulness if 1. the results they yield can't be reproduced, 2. factors that influence the result cannot be ruled out.
>irreversible brain disorder where the brain is inexorably damaged...
Autistic brains aren't damaged. That would presuppose a stage where they weren't autistic in the first place.
>normal healthy brain circuits are still there intact
Every single study defies that point. Autistic brains are "wired" differently. Also people who use terms from electric engineering/computer science to describe neurology are pretty much always laymen.
>calcium-oxalate crystals in the brain blocking sulfur uptake in the brain and pulling sulfate out of the cells causing oxidative stress and mTor disruption.
>Oxalate build up in the brain...
Insert [random chemical substance] which causes [such] and [such] by [blocking/activating/deactivating/stimulating] [insert some random medical term].
Energy stone talk. Some people claim autism is caused by parasites. It's the same with anti-vaxxers. Intellectually inferior people who are easily convinced by pseudoscientific explanations.

>>10935128
What about the theory that says it's cause by chronic fatigue in early childhood?

>>10921195

>>10935104
This guy breaks down the two studies you're too lazy to read the study, watch on 1.5x speed because he talks slowly
broccoli:
https://youtu.be/x6G9knttpZc
https://youtu.be/I28Ck071-94

d3:
https://youtu.be/U_gw5i93T5I

>>10935128
You literally didn't debunk nothing I said and just called be a conspiracy theorist and I believe in pseudoscience.
>randomized trials have little meaningfulness if 1. the results they yield can't be reproduced
there have already been multiple studies showing D3 improves autism, and there are currently multiple studies on broccoli on going.

>>10935141
It’s pretty much impossible to determine whether that’s a cause or a symptom, so

Please help me know if I really have autism, I was diagnosed as such in high school but after some research I think I may only have adhd, or maybe a mix of autism and adhd.
-I don't have any difficulty reading the mood
-I don't have any difficulty reading people's emotions from their faces/way they talk
-I can easily guess their intentions
-I have had some kind of self consciousness since early childhood, for instance I would cry some times the whole day because I thought I was retarded
-I have many interests, not only one, and managed to keep a couple (2) permanently those last few years
-I used not to have any sense of organisation but I've developped one those last few years
-I always had trouble getting focused since early childhood and would spend my classes day dreaming
-I have good visual spatial ability as well as a good memory/abstraction but poor verbal capacity (wich didn't prevent me from learning 3 foreign languages including english)
-I'm highly egoistical, everytime I get into a discussion I can't help myself but bring it to me or the way I feel. But I still have a lot of empathy
-I'm quick to get on my feet, and quite stubborn
-My emotions can be intense but I'm good at managing them

>>10935193
None of that rules out autism. You’re focusing on symptoms you don’t have when you should be finding out which ones you do. If you were diagnosed with both ADHD and autism, chances are you’re autistic but so high-functioning it’s ostensibly nothing more than a label.

>>10935193
Sounds like ADHD not autism

These threads would be so much better without that schizo (I presume) Asian who posts the most retarded shit possible. How can you even say something like 'a vast majority of none-whites are autistic' with a straight face? just fuck off

t. actual assburger

>>10935172
why the fuck are you posting videos you actual retard

>>10935061
>When people with autism spectrum disorder get a fever their symptoms tend to improve, this proves that autism isn't some kind of static irreversible brain disorder where the brain is inexorably damaged and there's no hope of recovery and that the normal healthy brain circuits are still there intact but for some reason aren't functioning properly.
They are functioning properly. When autistic people get fever their brains stop functioning properly. Neurotypical people are insane all the time.
>>10935096
Incandescent lights are yellow. People don't notice because they are too insensitive to blue contrasts.
>>10935223
Try talking with asians / other non white people. Even the movie Road Trip is making the fun of it (autistic character getting suddenly normal among black people) so the meme must have existed for quite a long time in some form or another.

>>10935270
I thought the meme was that white and asian people are autistic and that blacks can't have autism and not that non-whites are autistic? Do you have any actuall data to back this shit up or are you just a shizo?

schizophrenia and autism are connected to the complexity of the human brain.

>>10922566
Why is the only serious source in this thread getting ignored?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312210998_The_Prehistory_of_Autism

>>10935293
Not as funny, would you rather read some shizo gook talkinmg about how non-whites are all autistic or people with actuall arguments and data?

>>10935172
I don't need to debunk stuff that hasn't been proven in the first place. The burden of proof lies on you.
>there have already been multiple studies showing D3 improves autism, and there are currently multiple studies on broccoli on going.
First paper doesn't even mention any actual connection between oxalate and autism except for the part that oxalate concentration in urine seems to be massively higher. Gastrointestinal abnormalities in autistics are well documented.
The second paper also fails at establishing any proper connection between oxalate and autism.
The broccoli paper yields very weak results.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27868194/
So, Vitamin D is all we need? I don't need to mention how such studies are inherently flawed. Any other studies that could reproduce that?

>>10935293
>Agricultural revolution was a mistake
Yes, it is but try telling that to your average Joe 95 IQ dumbo.

>>10935293
>serious
And how accepted are the views in this book?

>>10935376
I don't know, I just saw this study.
According to the site it has been referenced 116 times so far.
But it still seems far more serious than most of the shit that's been thrown arround since the start of this thread.

>>10935276
Basically I think only white people are actually autistic, or wrong in some sense. It's based on several people's experience they are only autistic among whites, the experience of a chinese person they can get along with anybody, asians, blacks, muslims, but not with whites, and another two who struggled a lot in china, but find europeans perfectly understandable. (and you can see in America many more blacks have asian admixture than whites) Also it's based on multiple cognitive tests (perception, reasoning, but also social judgment tasks) that come out the same among autsist and non whites. It's the whites (excluding north african/west asian muslims who would normally count as whites I guess) who are different.

>>10935276
Basically I think only white people are actually autistic, or wrong in some sense.

It's based on several people's experience they are only autistic among whites, the experience of a chinese person they can get along with anybody, asians, blacks, muslims, but not with whites, and another two who struggled a lot in china, but find europeans perfectly understandable.

You can see in America many more blacks have asian admixture than whites.

Also it's based on multiple cognitive tests (perception, eye tracking, language, reasoning, but also social judgment tasks) that come out the same among autsist and non whites.

It's also worth menitoning that most African/Asian languages use tone to distinguish words, and White autists overly focus on tone and pronounce words every time with the same tone. In china it's the opposite, autistic epople fail to learn the lexical tone.

It's the whites (excluding north african/west asian muslims who would normally count as whites I guess) who are different.

>>10935507
So you're saying that autistic whites and non-whites are the same? And that non autistic whites are actually the wierdos?

>>10920361
Except no. You can be great at technical smarts, but personal sociology is a different feild in itself. There is a reason why technocrasy really wasnt a thing. political/social maneuvering is different then a lot of sciences.

>>10935515
You're confusing Americans with people of European descent in general. Most Americans are just fucked up. America is a fucked up place. Fuck America.

>>10935528
>political/social maneuvering is different then a lot of sciences.
appeal to emotion, use lots of body language, understand your audience
it's not difficult to be a politician ORANGE MAN PRESIDENT can do it and he has the IQ of a potato

>>10935515
Get some help, PLEASE.

>>10935524
Yes.
>>10935531
No. At least western Europe is all equally affected.
>>10935546
Why? I have the data on my side.

>>10935556
>Why? I have the data on my side.
Can you post this data?

>>10935556
>No. At least western Europe is all equally affected.
lmao
tell me kid which languages do you know and how much time have you spent in each european country
your 'data' is bullshit unless you don't consider germans to be western europeans they're autistic as shit and don't even know the meaning of socialisation

>>109355
>western europeans they're autistic as shit and don't even know the meaning of socialisation
go back to /pol/, retard trash.

God, this thread proves it once again.
You're all a bunch of idiots.

>>10935559
A super sanitized version publishable in a journal: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20550733

>>10935613
Yeah this paper is 75 pages and I don't have the time to read it right now, i might do it later tho.

>>10935613
Maybie you should learn how to read and quote posts on here.

>>10935061
When I get fever I find myself less inhibited and more neurotypical. I don't have a formal autism diagnosis, but I'm 90% certain I have mild aspergers. But when I'm sick I seem to become sociable as opposed to my usual aversion to social interaction.

>>10935306
>>10935524
>>10935546
Why does this exist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvU-nmmnE8w

Are (latex) catsuits functioning substitutes for hug machines? (>>10933909)

>>10919754
Hardly the aspies with their need for routine

>>10919754
>led

moron

>>10932477
>Eye contact is too direct, too aggressive, too intim. This in fact is somewhat a normal behavior among animals where prolonged eye contact nearly always means aggression
A lot of communication is non verbal. That means you see a lot out of a persons face about how confident, tense, engaged, bored they are. Eye contact when talking isn't threatening

>>10937917
This is mostly false, as explained above. It's more no need for change for the sake of change (aspies lack hedonic adaptation), aspies do like geniune improvements.
>>10937981
You can see much less than you think. This has been proven over and over.

>>10937917
This is mostly false, as explained above. It's more no need for change for the sake of change (aspies lack hedonic adaptation), aspies do like geniune improvements.
>>10937981
You can see much less than you think. This has been proven over and over. Also as stated above the vast majority of human cultures don't stare and see staring as threatening.

>>10937925
to lead, led, to have led

Doesn't even know his native language, moron.
>If you're not English-speaking, stop lecturing people on their English when you're clearly not capable of speaking it either, Pajeet.

>>10937925
You can lead, Napoleon style, or you can lead by example.
>Look Grog not die, me try too!

>>10916218
fpbp
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>>10938049
>aspies do like geniune improvements.
can i use it as explanation for my efficiency boner?

>>10919754
Excellent bait

>>10924656
>Neurotypical people may be a remnant of neanderthal like thinking.
In that case there should be huge variations in incidence across ethnicities. Well, is it?

>>10938049
>don't stare and see staring as threatening.
There's a differenve between normal eye contact and staring.
>vast majority of human culture
Source: your ass

>>10916197
More importantly, if we can use that and change our brain so we get the perfect outcome for our jobs with just a flick of a switch... now that would be neet

>>10916914
cringe

>>10938209
>In that case there should be huge variations in incidence across ethnicities.
I said there is. In the sentence right after this one.

>>10938427
"Sufficient" western style eye contact is supposed to be 50% of time when you speak, 70% when you listen. You cannot really stare more than that.

>>10921818
v3.2 is wrong, will be updated

>>10939733
I used the term ethnicities rather than race since the former is more fine grained than the latter.
In any case white people have about 3 percent neanderthal genes and would not be expected to be neurotypical. Africans from south of Sahara have practically no Neanderthal genes and should be neurotypical, but I have never seen figures for this.

>>10940762
You misread what I wrote. Neurotypicality is what MIGHT be caused by neanderthal genes, autism is the original H. sapiens thinking.

>>10940939
This is pseudoscience. Autism is just caused by a failure of neural pruning. It’s a disability and should be eradicated.

>>10935061
Pretty sure I was just my regular old autistic self whenever I got a fever

>>10916197
No, only slightly.

>>10940941
Autistic people score better on any cognitive test that doesn't involve understanding neurotypical people. If anything it's the synapse loss what might be a disability.

>>10940941
I agree, it sounds too good to be true.
> It’s a disability and should be eradicated.
As an autist, I agree

>>10940941
See >>10921491
The obviously damaged neuron is the neurotypical one.

>>10940956
>As an autist
lie

>>10940957
Association is commonly anti-intellectual.

>>10940957
Um yeah, didn't they find damaged parts in said autist neurons? So basically autists have a neural apoptosis dysfunction.

>>10940957
You’re supposed to lose synapses you fucking retard. The degenerate ones are shaved off during adolescence but this process never occurs in autistic people, leaving a bunch of shitty brain wiring that makes you think stupid.

>>10940959

>>10940955
Citation needed. Please tell us more about how it’s totally not you that’s defective, it’s everyone else. I’ve never smelled coping this obvious

>>10940963
No idea what you mean or what youa re even talking about.
>>10940964
No. The right neuron is autistic, the left one is neurotypical. It's the other way round, neurotypical people suffer damage and massive loss of synapses over time.
>>10940966
This is nonsense. Explain why autistic people score better in all cognitive tests.

>>10940976
Autistic people are better at sensory perception, logic, anything really unless it involves understanding you. Our only problem is that we had to grow up among brain damaged retards, that is all.

>>10940977
>This is nonsense.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160502161118.htm

Your brain is defective. Stop pretending otherwise.

>Explain why autistic people score better in all cognitive tests.

Still haven’t seen a demonstration that they do. Even if they do, who cares? They’re depressed, unemployed, get seizures, headaches, have a host of associated mental disorders including dyscalculia.

>>10940982
>Autistic people are better at sensory perception, logic, anything really unless it involves understanding you.

Please cite a study to substantiate your claims.

>Our only problem is that we had to grow up among brain damaged retards, that is all.

Yes yes the problem is everyone else and not you. :)

>>10940977
>This is nonsense. Explain why autistic people score better in all cognitive tests.
I googled it and the first thing i found was a study claiming that only 3 percent of the people sampled (wich, i will admit was a rather small one) had iq's above 115.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21272389
Where is your evidence for this?

>>10940982
We're the ones who are brain damaged. No matter how high our IQs may be, it was the neurotypical brain and not ours that was chosen for by natural selection. They are adapted to this world and we are not.

>>10940997
Not him but did I score the autistic jackpot with an IQ of 133 then? Hard to believe I'm that rare.

>>10941008
>Hard to believe a 98% percentile IQ is rare.

>>10941008
Where did you take this iq test?
Either way, like i pointed out it was a small study and since he claimed that autistic people have higher iqs i descided to google it and it was the first thing that i found.

>>10940977
Synapses correlate.

>>10935276
Black people can have autism.
There's even a guy in my country, who is pitch black and got famous because he has a photographic memory and knows facts about many different topics. He's a HFA/Aspie, so no low IQ.

>>10941016
It was administered by a psychologist, the same one that diagnosed me with autism.
>>10941012
It would obviously be much rarer among autists if that study holds true though

>>10940990
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/05/160502161118.htm
>Your brain is defective. Stop pretending otherwise.
Yes, it is common with schizophrenia. The thing is that schizophreniacs suffer even more of this pruning. Your link basically says you are only half insane.
>Even if they do, who cares? They’re depressed, unemployed, get seizures, headaches, have a host of associated mental disorders

Because we have to live among insane people, as your own link demonstrates.

>including dyscalculia.

I don't think so.
>>10940994
>>10940997

>>Autistic people are better at sensory perception, logic, anything really unless it involves understanding you.

>Please cite a study to substantiate your claims.

https://psychcentral.com/news/2016/10/14/why-people-with-autism-are-more-logical/111138.html

>>10941000
Only time will show, but I'm pretty sure you are wrong. They are only adapted at each other, not the world. They woudl die in pain without us.
>>10941021
What do you mean by that?

>>10941025
>>10940997
It's a common experience of autsic people that psychologists downplay their test results and make up fake problems they have never suffered from.

>>10941052
There definitely was some of that. He took liberties in connecting things as simple as listening to music using earphones with autism. Still, I probably do have it.

>>10941047
>Your link basically says you are only half insane.

No, that’s a lie you made up.

>Because we have to live among insane people, as your own link demonstrates.

Lie number two.

>https://psychcentral.com/news/2016/10/14/why-people-with-autism-are-more-logical/111138.html

>Autists are emotionally retarded and this makes them gamble better

Oooo wow

>>10940977
>Explain why autistic people score better in all cognitive tests.
Autistic people in general do not, but people with asperger does. It's a criterion to have [math] IQ \geq 100 [/math]. IQ testing is a part of the diagnosic process (if the ones doing it aren't doing it correctly). Hence, it's true by definition.

>>10941255
>aren't
are*

>>10941255
Not the same guy, but I don't get your explanation. Are you saying that intelligent tests are designed in a way that give autists an edge.

>>10935047
>Unusual sensitivity to...
just means hypersensitivity. That's when sensations are more intense. Although I have hypersensitivity, aspergers also can manifest with the opposite symptom: hyposensitivity.
>Does this mean any sound is unpleasant
No, only intense ones. Hypersensitivity applies to all senses aswell, so the same goes for smell, taste, touch, and lights. You know that autistic people dont like to be touched? Thats why. I rarely wear deodorant because the smell is too intense and makes me nauseous. I work with the lights off because I can see fine with the ambient light through the hallway and the lamp is too bright.
>that one is able to hear what nobody else can?
That is true in my case. If it's completely quiet, I can hear 5 rooms down, but if it's loud, I cant hear someone shouting in my ear. I think that second part might just be poor selective attention, though.

>>10921818
>United States

>>10941409
No. Intelligence test are completely independent of any autism diagnosis. It's the autism diagnosis' that are dependent on intelligence tests. There are plenty of autists with low IQs. But they put the high functioning autists in a group of their own. For example the asperger diagnosis. It seems that those who somehow function in society do so because they use their superior cognitive abilities to compensate for their autism. Most do not have astronomically high IQs, but it's quite common with exceptional abilities in certain domains coupled with inferior abilities in others (uneven skillsets). When neurotypicals take IQ tests, their score on one task tends to strongly predict their score on another. Since this is not as much the case for those with autism their actual IQ score understates their abilities in the domains where they excel. Thus it seems odd to claim that IQ tests are designed to give autists an edge, when they in some ways does the opposite.

>>10935061
You pretty much got it expect for that part:
>Oxalate build up in the brain would've never happened in pre historic times due to seasonal consumption of fruits/vegetables and a diet that was centered largey around meat, which has a negligible amount of oxalates.
Exactly the opposite. Do more research on that topic.

>>10941560
>You know that autistic people dont like to be touched?
I'm autistic and this does not apply to me. Not that anyone's touching me in the first place.

>>10941083
>No, that’s a lie you made up.
No it's a fact. Autists don't lose synapses. You lose synapses. Shcizophreniacs lose even more synapses. Even the symptoms are mostly identical, only weaker and better compensated. You hear voices, but call them your inner voice. You have delusions of control, but call it your brain or autopilot. You suffer thought insertions, but call it your gut feelings adn mind reading. But the principle is the same.

>Autists are emotionally retarded and this makes them gamble better

It has nothing to do with empotion, it's pure math. Any difference in emotion necessariyl comes from your incorrect interpretation of the scenarios. It doesn't only involve gaming but everyday scenarios as well. e.g "A mine with 121 miners inside collapsed. The rescuers were able to save 101 miners." will be interpreted as a considerably better outcome than "A mine with 121 miners collapsed. 20 miners died." even though the outcomes are identical and it could be easily two different descriptions of the same event.
>>10941560
>>10935047
Many autists don't lose hearing with age, so they are bothered by objectively loud sounds that basically don't exist for adult neurotypicals because they are outside their hearing range,

>>10942492
>the principle is the same
Excellent. Thank you, autist.

Primary psychopath here. Self-diagnosed. Stress immunity and lack of affective empathy are dead giveaways, so anyone worrying about the validity of my diagnosis is operating from a brainlet stance on how introspection actually works.

The problem you're having is that your attempt to justify autism assumes that individuals are somehow more important than collectives. You are just failed psychopaths, having lost not just empathy, but the ability to mimic arbitrary cultural stimulus without effort. The reason you can't is precisely because you don't prune the irrelevant neurons. You can't dismiss ideas of an excessively irrelevant nature because you can't comprehend the social fabric in which you are immersed. You're stuck with all the subtle impressions everyone else discards, such as "hurr all the traits of schizophrenia must be bad by definition because schizophrenia feels well-defined." No mental disorder is well defined. It's all literally just lists of symptoms with minor correlations. But you don't see this, because you aren't thinking about the logic of it. You are as biased as an neurotypicals because you're still operating as a Bayesian system, but you can't adapt as rapidly to update to constantly changing cultural stimulus. You want the world and environment to be consistent, but this is a complete delusion. In our evolutionary history, droughts, changes in weather, being pushed out of historical lands that we'd adapted to, etc. all forced people to adapt and change their stance on which traditions were meaningful to keep—which were TRULY relevant to survival, and which were just relevant because of local phenomena. In the modern world, the same force exists, but it's primarily a result of the changes we make to the environment that force the same type of cultural change.

Alone, you are nothing. Until you can grasp that fact all of your reasoning about how minds OUGHT to work is wrong.

>>10942555
>Primary psychopath
Primary psychopaths show the exact lack of synapse pruning as autistic people do. I think you may be even the same only you come from families who know better how to deal with neurotypical people.

>>10942555
>>>10942555
>>Primary psychopath
>Primary psychopaths show the exact lack of synapse pruning as autistic people do. I think you may be even the same only you come from families who know better how to deal with neurotypical people. If you feel the opposite (and your writing surely suggests so) you may actually be a schizo.

>>10942555
>Primary psychopath here. Self-diagnosed.
Primary psychopaths show the exact lack of synapse pruning as autistic people do. I think you may be even the same only you come from families who know better how to deal with neurotypical people. If you feel the opposite (and your writing surely suggests so) you may actually be a schizo.

>>10942594
>the exact lack of synapse pruning
Well fuck. I don't know what's wrong with you then. Good to know I'm based either way.

>>10942492
>Many autists don't lose hearing with age
Same with light sensitivity? My vision isn't overly sharp but at night I can see when others just see utter blackness.

>>10942876
Some of the age related loss of vision is due to UV damage to the lens in the eye. The lens takes in less light. I cannot see why autists should stear clear of this. There are probably other age related causes for vision loss though.

>>10942614
It's the lack of knowledge, not ability. I didn't learn people are trying make friends with me by immitating me. My theory is that shizophreniacs feel like they are becoming the person they listen to or looking at, so when the person says or do things they would say or do themselves, it makes them feel unpleasant. So they intuitively know they need to not do things other people wouldn't do, to not make them feel unpleasant, but when you don't have schizophrenia, you just don't know if nobody tells you.

>>10942614 #
It's the lack of knowledge, not ability. I didn't learn until I was around 28 that people are trying make friends with me by immitating me. My theory is that shizophreniacs feel like they are becoming the person they listen to or looking at, so when the person says or do things they would say or do themselves, it makes them feel unpleasant. So they intuitively know they need to not do things other people wouldn't do, to not make them feel unpleasant, but when you don't have schizophrenia, you just don't know if nobody tells you.

>>10942876
>>10942927
true I don't know it's age related or not, but the truth is that autistic people can see at least something regardless of how dark night it is, while neurotypical people can often see barely something when there is full moonlight. (while I can read a book in full moonlight)

>>10942927
>Some of the age related loss of vision is due to UV damage to the lens in the eye.
It seems I already have a little bit of that. Nevertheless my night vision (and hearing, me here >>10935047) is far more sensitive than is normal. And I have only moderate near IR sensitivity.

>>10943130
>>10943606
The retina is part of the brain. Autist have different brain. QED.

>>10943694
So neural pruning extends into the retina, including the cones and rods?

>>10916197
Are there any studies on generalizing social behavior between autist<->autist and autist<->normie in the context of social capital? If so is there a noticeable distinction between "high functioning" and "low functioning" use of social capital?

>>10945166
Well, normies don't feel any need to reciprocate favors, they take as long us you give, but when it's their turn, they say it was for free, that you are not entotled to anything, you should have agreed on the prjce beforehand... so when you live among people like that you just won't bother anymore because there is no point.

I think normies gain social credit for helping to harm other people, which is something aspies will not do. Cooperation between the two is not possible.

>>10943606
>>Some of the age related loss of vision is due to UV damage to the lens in the eye.
Any proof on that

>>10945166
This is also, I think, the reason for the perceived naivetu of aspies - they don't expect a lie if they don' t see any advantage the other person could have for lying. They ferl that harming others on purpose lowers the person's social standing, so the reason for lying for them is incomprehensible. While you, as a normie, know they would gain social standing by making you do something foolish, so you know you need to be careful.

>>10935528
What does science have to do with this?

>>10916939
>the members of the tribe who sit around the fire are the one to paint what the other members study and hunt

>>10945385
Look up cataract. The incidence is far higher in countries at great altitudes where the UV radiation is higher.

There are also other factors that aggregate damage to the lens.

>>10945166
>Are there any studies on generalizing social behavior between autist<->autist and autist<->normie in the context of social capital?
I have never seen anything formal but every now and then I read about companies that actively recruit people with Aspergers. The snag is that "integration" is the mantra but that does not work well. People with Aspergers in the same class room as people with ADHD is plain brutality. In the UK they are looking into separate schools for autists that provide for special requirements. This is rather recent so I don't expect any immediate results or conclusions.

>>10935058
I came here to say this. Kids didn't have acute heavy metal and oxalates poisoning back then, so no autism.

>>10948467
Heavy metal poisoning has been known since Roman times.

>>10948472
I don't know much about that, maybe you can tell me about it. But OP mentioned prehistoric times, so when I said back then, that's what I meant. The Roman empire was after prehistoric times.

>>10924618
Not the point. You have a choice in how to react to others. I supposedly have aspergers and I've never given a fuck about what others think of me. It's a lot more fun to at least attempt to humiliate those humiliating you than to cry like a little bitch, even if you fail. Being social is a skill that can be learned through obsession, just like anything else. We have a gift unless you choose to see it as a curse.

Bully the bullies, pussy.

>>10948496
>I don't know much about that, maybe you can tell me about it.
Romans sweetened wine using lead acetate, which was made by placing vinegar on lead plates.

>But OP mentioned prehistoric times,
True. The tread just meanders a bit, as they usually do.

>so when I said back then, that's what I meant. The Roman empire was after prehistoric times.
most of the ills and syndromes we know today have been there in the past though probably not properly identified. Julian Jaynes makes an interesting argument about a switching in the way the mind works. While he has good arguments the bicameral theory remains controversial.

If the pruning theory is correct it would be worth checking if this is also seen in other primates.

>>10916197
In the past if someone had a a genetic flaw they would die or be outcast and then die, so they would not be able to pass on those bad genes. So we became stronger as a race because bad genes would lead to people not having kids.

Now barely anyone is having kids anyway, except billions of extremely low iq Africans.

>>10928840
My autism has never induced this issue in my life. Abusers tend to seek only those that are easily abused. An autism diagnosis is not also a diagnosis of gullibility. These things can be overcome, albeit not easily, with enough research and experience. Label yourself a victim and you will always be one.

>>10936930
>German subtitles
Of fucking course

>>10934478
The first part is true for me in cases not even socially related. I've been told many stories of my mother having to teach me why I should be "afraid" of spiders/snakes. I learned quickly, but I'm still not sure that I've ever actually felt fear. That may come off as a brag, but fear evolved for a reason; I wouldn't be surprised if my lack of ability to feel it one day leads to my injury or death.

>>10948678
>spiders/snakes
There is a specific part of the brain that very quickly pattern matches a snake anywhere in your field of view. It is a crucial survival feature so it is quite remarkable you lack this. I have never heard this could relate to Aspergers.

>>10935193
>-I have had some kind of self consciousness since early childhood, for instance I would cry some times the whole day because I thought I was retarded
I laughed so hard at this that I feel the need to both apologize and thank you.

>>10948467
>>10948496
> acute heavy metal and oxalates poisoning
Nonsense. The cause seems to be related to the chloride balance in neurons. Neurotypical people cannot maintaint the correct concnentration of chloride ions in neurons, which switches their polarity (essentially the batteries are the wrong way in). This causes the switch of GABA receptors from excitatory to inhibitory. The mechanism that assures that each information gets its proper attention by increasing the priority of unatended information over time gets reversed, and information that is not consciously attended gets supressed instead. In turn neurotypical people become completely blind to information they don't pay atention to. Neurotypical people commonly describe things like walls disappearing from their veiw or songs played in the radio not being heard at all.

The second effect (presumably another receptor) is the cause of the bizarre logic, like failing at the wason selection task or the "exception proves the rule" effect, when information that contradicts known infromation makes the person even certain about their belief instead of weakening it.

Third effect will be in the social behavior, when many social signals (like gaze) are reversed from the usual norm. Neurotypicals give and receive essentially mirrored signals from those who are unaffected. Which may lead to the bizarre effects of relatively popular leaders being perceived as tyrants, etc.

>>10948768
Got a source for any of these claims?

>>10948768
All of that stuff you said might be the case, or not, I don't know. You are not giving any proof to refute what I said though, it can be that heavy metal and oxalate poisoning causes those effects you described.
I have very good reasons to say what I claimed, but I cannot sit down to write an essay about it, sorry. I'm basing myself on hearing people I respect a lot their knowledge on health, hearing about many cases of people who cured themselves with detoxing, and personal experience. Metals are literally deposited in the brain.

>>10949411
If heavy metals (and you are not specific here) are the cause, you should have had a peak of autism in the 1970s when lead was much used in water pipes and in car exhaust. These days lead free solutions are more common, yet autism is if anything on the increase. Romans ingested large amounts of lead. We never heard of vast hordes of autistic Romans.

Lead is accumulated in fatty tissues including nerves such as in the brain. Once there you cannot get it out, no matter what detoxing you use. It is quite implausible that detoxing would remove lead and somehow cure autism.

I am not asking for a thesis or an essay, just something that makes your statements plausible.

Wow! We passed 312 posts, clearly this is an issue that interests many. Anyone in for a new round?

>>10935193
basically, neurotypical