/sci/ - Science & Math

They redacted a bit in the top left. You’re an idiot if you thought they’d just let trump snap a photo in a meeting of something that shouldn’t be photographed. His handlers aren’t entirely incompetent

>>10931611
Can it take picture of what I am doing inside my house?

>>10931611
>mini-Hubble

The NSA has had larger sats for years. They even donated two Hubble sized camera sats to NASA back in the early 00's. Of course they went unused.

>>10931613
Top-left contains info about the whereabouts of the satellite - not that it matters because amateur astronomers have already calculated its (exact) position. The sallite is NROL-49.

>>10931611
They are way beyond hubble. They give away better than hubble for free so just imagine what they have.

" The United States' spy satellite agency is giving NASA two spare space telescopes free of charge, each potentially more powerful than the Hubble Space Telescope"
https://www.space.com/16000-spy-satellites-space-telescopes-nasa.html

>>10931611
Maybe it's some weird flex to China/Russia or something. "Look at what we have" that sort of thing.

>>10931611
Yeah when you walk outside you're basically being watched so what.

>>10931636
China can pick out a criminal using their standard facial recognition cameras in a concert of 50000 people. They're actually using their technology for law enforcement while America uses their tech to kill anti-israelis in the middle east for Israel.

>>10931641
Idk. Of course I don't work in this industry but somehow I doubt they have this level of technology.

>>10931611
Couldn't it just be a spyplane?

>>10931611
What if that is what our X37 space-plane is up to?
>>10931636
I don't think he's flexing satellite capabilities.
Everybody knows/assumes we have them.
He might be flexing some unproven sabotage.
>>10931641
They can't watch everyone at the same time.

>Good luck in determining what happened at Site One
He knows what happened doesn't he?

>>10931679
>>10931693
No, people have already worked out it's USA224 or NROL-49.

https://twitter.com/M_R_Thomp/status/1167514988036218880

>>10931613
>His handlers aren’t entirely incompetent
...bcoz 99% isn't "entirely"?

>>10931611
Looks like the same resolution as google maps.

>>10931611
Most of modern military recon satellites have a picture précision of 10/5cm

>>10931884
Yeah I know, it's still shocking to see an actual image though. God knows what kind of technology the military has we don't know about.

>>10931693
X37 is too small, you need a bigger telescope for that picture

>>10931611

The power of the American state to surveil the world in this way is a good thing OP, and therefore your epithet of "frightening" is invalid.

>>10931889
There's actually a funny story about satellite technology.

In the 80s, Saudi Arabia was looking to buy ICBM missiles since they weren't allowed to make them, they asked the US but the US denied the sell, the Saudis eventually and very secretly bought Chinese DF-3 ICBM missiles, the operation was so secret that they asked the Chinese to chip the missiles in parts in ordinary shipping boats, and to put them is trucks that belong to a drinking water company.

The US later called the Saudi embassador to the pentagon and showed him Literally satellite images of X-rays of the truck with missiles parts inside it.

They X-rayed the trucks from space in the 80s, imagine what they have now

>>10931900
I'm not sure I believe that since X-rays aren't reflected like visible light is. That's why all X-ray scanners have the detector on the opposite side of the target.

>>10931900
Probably nothing that surprising, or else America wouldn't need to bother having allies or trade deals with other countries. Just conquer them all.

>>10931900
I'm calling bullshit. Do you know how big and powerful an xray source you'd need for that??

>>10931900
Bullshit, x-rays are absorbed by the atmosphere

>>10931889
Nothing. Military technology is shitty and unimpressive as is revealed when their retarded “black projects” are inevitably revealed

>>10931921
>>10931928
>>10931934
The saudi acquirement of ballistic missiles was extremely secret, this is what Saudi prince "Bandar" said when he was asked how the Americans discovered the missiles, he said that the Americans showed them the missiles inside of the trucks from the sky.

Could it be a secret US technology? Maybe

>>10931942
Backscatter X-ray may be a possibility but that requires very close proximity to the target. As >>10931934 shows X-rays are almost completely blocked by air. That's why you need a strong source even for medical xrays at zero distance.

More likely he was lied to about how they got the images, if X-rays were even how they were imaged, to protect how they did it.

>>10931955
They didn't say it was x-ray, they just showed him images of the trucks with what's inside it, I don't know if they used other wave length

>>10931985
Have you considered the possibility they just faked the image by drawing the missiles in the trucks?

>>10931900
>(((proofs)))
kek

>>10932000
They could never know the trucks had missile parts in them

>>10931900
This is the biggest pile of horseshit I've ever read. That's not how any of this works. The idea that they have satellites running on solar panels with xrays that can travel through the atmosphere and through an object, and then somehow have the xray travel back to the satellite with a resolution precise enough to discern anything useful is crazy. Not that such thing is even possible since an Xray machine doesn't work that way in the first place. There is a reason why you always have the sensor or panel on the other side of the object you're trying to x Ray.

>>10932044
Why not? Ever heard of spies?

>>10932073
He was sarcastic

>>10931633
You forget that Hubble is pretty old now

>>10931889
The united states is literally immune to nukes. We have disabled several enemy nuclear ICBMs coming out of North Korea and the news reported that the ICBM imminent threat alerts were "false alarms" and or that the missiles had really been there, but had failed to reach their desired target because they malfunctioned. Lmao yeah I bet. They malfunctioned when they were beamed with a gigawatt laser over the pacific and the sea of Japan.

>>10932257
Anon...

>>10931611
Setting aside that it's a photo from a drone.

>>10931611
At least they bothered to put drop shadows on the text boxes

>>10931627
>>10931749
>it's satellite FGT-69, I can tell by the shadows and public records of secret satellites
Haven't you retards learned ANYTHING about overconfident armchair sleuths in the past 5 to 10 years?

>>10932463
>This one time people tried to figure out something based on something, and they were WRONG
>there for figuring stuff out is impossible
>Orange man good!!

RIP FGT-69. A real shame about it being critically damaged by that high powered russian/chinese/north korean laser. I'm sure it was a freak accident.

>>10932502
You say this like it and every other spy sat isn't a high priority target in a shooting war.

>>10932510
No, I say it they are high priority targets in shooting wars. That's why you try to keep their location and function secret.

>>10932510
>a shooting war
what

>>10932526
Doesn't matter. China and India were just the two latest to demonstrate their ability to engage in orbital denial. You don't need to know the exact whereabouts of anything when you can just intentionally cause the kessler syndrome and make sure anything in an orbital level turns to swiss cheese.

>>10932502
No, you're right. I'm sure these random freaks off Twitter just happened to get it exactly right on the first try, once they figured out how time zones work

>>10932539
Correction: @mhanham is the self-identified "WMD expert"

NSA satellites have been reading newspaper headlines since the 90s.

>>10932549
>>10932541

>>10932539
Well yeah, but that's a pretty extreme option. It might not be always tactical to deny everyone access to space including your own.

>>10932541
It doesn't look like they figured it out at all. Are you stupid? Chinese and Russian scientists and intelligence officers on the other hand might have a better shot.

>>10931611
The U.S. unveiled GPS, thermal optic'd reactive armored tanks shooting depleted uranium shells sporting almost impenetrable armor when they decimated Russian armored vehicles during the Battle of 73 Easting.
The U.S. is really good at keeping secrets and doesn't flaunt their secret technology to try to hold their country together with nationalism like Russia or China.

>>10931611
>The image shows sub 10cm resolution
Cite.

>>10931611
It's obviously not a classified image. Images are classified and declassified under the powers of the executive branch. As the President he can declassify anything he wishes any time he wishes. Furthermore the image has a big black redaction in the upper left hand side, meaning it went through a review process where by some technical information was removed.

Trump was just flexing at Iran, China and Russia.

>>10931749

>>10932693
>octopus's arm touches Iran

>>10931749
>>10932693

>NROL
How many fucking spy satellites do they need? The NRO keeps ULA alive at this point...

>>10931891
>X37 is too small, you need a bigger telescope for that picture
>source: my asshole

>>10931985
Maybe it was some kind of radar system rather than an x-ray system.

>>10931611
How are people able to know the time of day the shot was taken by the shadow an object casts?

>>10931641
>They're actually using their technology for law enforcement while America uses their tech to kill anti-israelis in the middle east for Israel.
Howdy, Chang. What's yellow dick taste like? How many social capitol points did this post get you?

>>10931611
Nigger, that's a photo of a photo. It's not from a satellite. Probably from some drone or aircaft.

>>10932931
Because the sun moves throughout the day in a predictable manner.

>>10932526
You cannot hide a satellite.

>>10932809
The NRO has a bigger procurement budget than the US Navy has for aircraft carriers and submarines combined.

They've got some crazy shit up there.

>>10933472
>You cannot hide a satellite.

Actually, you sort of can...

>>10931611
>Trump released classified information on Twitter
The fucking retard

>>10931611
It isn’t classified you doofus

>>10931900
get a load of this goy lmao

Safe to assume they can see trees then.

Little confused as in the nineties there were mutiple media releases stating that spy satellites were now capable of reading newspaper headlines.

I guarantee they can now read the fine print on a legal document with software support.

>>10931611
>A mini-Hubble pointed at the Earth basically.
you are now aware that the Hubble is in fact a (full size) spysat which was adapted for looking upwards
this means you're retarded and your thread is shit

>>10933739
Hubble is literally a KH-11 with an elongated telescope tube for a more astronomy-friendly focal length and a slightly larger instrument bay. Otherwise Hubble is to an 80s-era KH-11 what a 707 is to a KC-135.

>>10933752
yep

>>10931627
>not that it matters because amateur astronomers have already calculated its (exact) position.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-224
hmm
you make it sound as if this were a secret

>>10932463
>>10932502
4chan did pretty well with the whole secret location of the shia le bouf flag, figuring it out by airplanes in the background and whatnot

>>10933568
putting a spy satellite behind a giant floating butt plug in outer space is not 'hiding' it

>>10933752
yeah, so op is retarded and the thread is shit

>>10933400
Sounds like jewish tricks

>>10933739
Source?

>>10933770
Never underestimate the power of focused autism

>>10931611
They got better sat imagery than that. Some Navy buddies personally attest they can snap a pic of a fly's ass from space.

>>10933556
For those that don't understand what this is, it's a SIGINT satellite with a collector dish the size of the Green Bank Radio Observatory.

>>10934116
And with the shuttle for an idea of how big they are.

>>10933776
If you can't bounce radio-waves or lasers off it then the only way to track it is identifying when it goes between you and stars which is a royal pain in the ass.

>>10934034
I spend a lot of time looking up at the night sky, someone has at least one satellite that takes flash photography of residential areas. I'll sometimes see a camera flash, and a few seconds later there will sometimes be another dim one a ways off from the first one, and then nothing.

>>10934134
>spy satellites produce a visible camera flash

>>10934138
Something does, I actually see a lot of single flashes that look like a star blinking on then off. Once I saw it happen again in the same place. Another possible explanation is a star exploding way far away, and the light reaches the planet at the same time I happen to be looking at it.

I'm a few miles from an air force base, so I figure if it is a spy sat it's someone from red team, which could explain both why we've never heard of light-up spy sats and why such a silly idea was chosen. Those goofy red bastards.

>>10934154
>>10934173
Why would they spend that much energy and give away their position with a huge flash of visible light

>>10932825
X-37 payload bay is 1.2m and the resolving power of a telescope is detemined by the diameter of it's mirror.

>>10933556
>>10934116
>>10934123
So what are these? The opposite of the cone of silence or are they monitoring my cell data. A collector that size you could probably use it to listen to conversations on the ground...

I am unsure of whether to feel threatened or safe.

>>10934331
Then just get closer to the ground.

>>10934343
You can't, atmospheric drag would deorbit the craft

>>10931619
It depends, have they discovered roof technology on planet retard?

>>10934332
The big SIGINT satellites sit in geostationary orbit and vacuum up EM spectrum, monitoring everything from encrypted foreign military or intelligence comms to cell phone or FRS class radio conversations. Just look at the array of different receiver antennas on this redacted image to get an idea of how many different signal classes these things can monitor.

>>10934332
Remember how in the classic 60s TV show "Thunderbirds", they had a space station that listened to all of the world's radio communications while a computer filtered through it all to pick out anything of interest?

The Advanced ORION/MENTOR satellites are basically an IRL version of that.

>>10931636
Thinking aching is behind is so 1990s. Just because their average joe is retarded peasant in a city, doesn’t mean their top tier isn’t world class

>>10931900
More likely it was a spy plane

>>10932539
>Kessler syndrome
No need to be that dramatic. China has satellites that can grab other satellites
They have also shot down a satellite in tests
https://www.military.com/defensetech/2013/10/03/chinese-satellite-grabs-another-in-orbit

>>10934423
>this redacted image
Big think

>>10934331
Did you know half the space shuttle missions were classified? They were putting satellites into orbit they didn’t want anyone else to look at.

>>10934116
>>10934123

I just hope the Russians have a real version of that orbiting nuke silo from Space Cowboys, or else MAD is fucked and the Mutts will actually use theirs

>>10934574
>I just hope the Russians have a real version of that orbiting nuke silo from Space Cowboys, or else MAD is fucked and the Mutts will actually use theirs

There's no device to my knowledge that can stop Nukes fired from off-shore submarines.

>>10934134
I've seen this too. The causing object flew slowly and steadily, as if it was scanning the area. Back then I thought it was doing this for Google maps or something.

>>10934134
>Because of the shape of the original Iridium satellites' reflective antennas, the first generation satellites focus sunlight on a small area of the Earth surface in an incidental manner. This results in an effect called Iridium flares, where the satellite momentarily appears as one of the brightest objects in the night sky and can be seen even during daylight.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_satellite_constellation

>>10933705
They have mind reading satellites.

>>10934134
>the state of /sci/

>>10934723
Oh man. I'm so relieved. Those voices I have been hearing are just CIA agents.

>>10934691
Side note I studied these in astro class, they are pretty cool because there is a website that has their trajectories calculated and you can look up your location, then where in the night sky and at one time you can see a flare.

>>10932527
As opposed to the wars we have now, which are mostly driving around until an IED goes off.
The more formal term is "high intensity conflict"

>>10934423
You do realise that a satellite of that size would be visible from Earth and could easily be photographed. So where are the pics? Oh wait ... there aren't any.

>>10931611
We have known this shit for years

>>10931611
thats the falcon heavy launch sight after it blew up. its just gray scaled. nasa does this shit with google image searches for desert which half the time where in arizona oddly. they adjusted contrast and hue but people found shit . that tree stump they admitted was on earth. people were speculating that it was a crab then some one found the exact location

also fake mars pics nasa had a plastic bag in 1 frame more recently

>>10932676
>le 4d chess argument

>>10931611
Oh no whatever will we do against technology that has publicly existed for about 20 years

>>10933623
You are the bigger moron. Go back to smugly reading buzzfeed articles about nuking hurricanes.

>>10931611
Holy shit lads, was i testing out DARPA satellite tech in my IT classes in 2007????

>>10934918
They're in geosynchronous orbit, 23,000 miles away, so no, they don't look that big. But people nevertheless photograph them all of the time. They just look like big gold circles through a telescope.

>>10934998
Google Earth uses images from DigitalGlobe. Their satellites are far, far inferior to the KH-11s operated by NRO.

>>10931900
>>10931921
>>10931924
>>10931928
>>10931934
>>10932071
>>10933698
>>10934439

Maybe the trucks were open-top, and the resolution of the imagery itself was astonishing and novel at the time.

KH11s are hardly state of the art. Granted they are way superior to any COTS or scientific product. The only exception is Hubble, which has a spare KH11 mirror, but NASA is explicitly forbidden from taking ground photos with it anyways.

>>10932257
>gigawatt laser

1.21??

>>10933144
>Nigger, that's a photo of a photo. It's not from a satellite. Probably from some drone or aircaft.

of a degraded (U) image screenshot using a GUI interface using visual basic to track the killers IP address.

>>10933568

A.D. 1994. Quarter of century ago and in CPU lives, hundreds. Ancient tech.

>>10933739

i gotta key for your hole

>>10933846
>Never underestimate the power of focused autism

The alternative motto of ıNSÅ

>>10932931
Because Erathostenes

>>10931611
Do we know it is a satellite picture? Looks like it could as easily be a drone.

>>10934628
Yes there are

>>10931802
Much of which is from aircraft.

>>10931891
Or to be closer.

>>10932552
They use them to track sewer alligators, too.

>>10934378
>pic
what is happening there? why is he doing that?

>>10936291
they would have shot down the drone as soon as it entered their airspace

>>10932639
Amazing that America has all this incredible military technology but still struggles to win wars against people so poor they need to count individual bullets

>>10936349
Abrams’ get destroyed all the time in Yemen. None of their technology is actually competitive

>>10931633
>each potentially more powerful than the Hubble Space Telescope
yeah if you buy the DLC. theres always a catch

>>10931611
If it's classified then you've broken the law by posting it here

>>10936349

The Saudi tanks don't have reactive armor or competent crews

>>10936349
Not really. Americans are stupid and if anything the tech holds us back. Some men will take a few pop shots at a base, the Americans will call in a $100,000 airstrike, by that time the enemy is long gone. We have almost zero zone/land control outside of our bases. We are and forever will be a hostile occupying power in those regions, and sense we are unwilling to wholesale kills towns till they submit, it will always be like this, we could double our military tech budget and have almost zero impact

>>10931633
>better than hubble
is that even comparable? like, isnt hubble meant to take really far away pictures and this one meant to take relatively close ones?

like, could you really use a surveillance satellite for telescopy?

>>10934126
>a royal pain in the ass.
more like, something that could be done by one bored CS student and an astronomer. BUT OF COURSE RUSSIA HAS NONE OF THOSE

>>10931633
Hubble was always a piece of shit. Most astronomers perfer ground based obsertisseries to the hubble because they're more powerful. Plus, space dust abrasses the mirror's finishing, causing it to get worse and worse over time. At this point, the Hubble is a piece of space junk and it is only useful in that it is not geographically bound.

>>10936348
Unless it was small, fast and/or stealthy.

I wonder if anybody is working on drones like that?

>>10934805
Getting harder to do, as more and more Iridiums are being de-orbitted.

>>10934918
Visible? Yeah, you can see a dot like a star, if you know where to look. They are geostationary, so they do not call attention to themselves by moving across the star-field. That orbit is 20,000 miles up plus .

So yeah, they are pretty big... but at 20,000 miles, they are going to be very difficult to see.

But here's a pictures of sharks in sunglasses, just for fun.

>>10937114
>Hubble was always a piece of shit. Most astronomers perfer ground based obsertisseries to the hubble because they're more powerful. Plus, space dust abrasses the mirror's finishing, causing it to get worse and worse over time. At this point, the Hubble is a piece of space junk and it is only useful in that it is not geographically bound.

Don;t confuse what the Hubble was for with what Ground Scopes are for. There are a number of larger scopes on the ground, and a larger optic = more resolving power (the smallest detail you can make out with the scope) Use magnification beyond the scope's resolving power, and you just start looking at bigger blurry bits.

The Hubble has decent resolving power, and the advantage of not having to look through the atmospheric distortions, clouds, fogs, dust, reflected light off of all that, turbulence, etc. And, it is not rendered useless for half the time like a ground-based scope trying to look for faint objects through daylight sky.

Once the Hubble's optics were repaired, being free of all the distorting shit in Earth's atmosphere it could image sharply to approach the full limits of its resolving power, and be used at any time.

It was a damn useful tool, and continues to be until such time as it either conks out or de-orbits. If it degrades as it ages, That's to be expected -- work arounds or uses that do not require degraded capabilities will continue to be found.

>>10931611
What more proof do people want...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Reconnaissance_Office#Technology

>>10936832
The military tech budget is focused on China and Russian anyway not towelheads

>>10931611
this was literally taken on a shoe box sized cubesat.
imagine what they really have in space now.

i bet america and russia can both easily read a book at ground level from a satellite based camera.

You're unironically retarded if you didn't already think they had this.

>Trump just tweeted this classified satellite image.

What the fuck does "tweeted" mean?

>>10934154
It's the satellite's solar panel reflecting the light of the sun. You can spot a lot of sats that way including the Iridium constellation which is particularly bright

>>10938744
It was taken by USA-224, a KH-11 satellite. They’re actually pretty big.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KH-11_Kennen

>>10937730
Intrestingly, nasa had to promise to never turn them towards earth:
" ...the only prohibition is Earth observation, a condition of the NRO donation."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_National_Reconnaissance_Office_space_telescope_donation_to_NASA