/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10931049
Its all the trillions of sperms you competed with to get inside your mother's ovaries and impregnate her with. Imagine how many guys came inside her. 100 black guys.

>>10931049
There isn't a great filter.

It's a set of "conditions" based on phase transitions seen in the geological record with life that is believed may prove harder to pull off on worlds other than Earth. There's no major systemic filter as it is more a set of them less and less stuff get through them.

Major deal is that there's so much confusion as to if there's only one path to making interstellar civilizations or if it's all matter of them we aren't aware of. We aren't an interstellar civilization ourselves so there is a chance we also will hit a dead end before getting all that for to say, colonizing a whole galaxy.

the african population explosion.
We're going back to the stone age bruh.

The great filter is meme science like that pedelled by the OP pic

>>10931065
Nah, it's that there's some ancient aliens who will come in and rape us like in those hentai comics. They were waiting till we got enough people to rape. They're aliens so they don't care if you are a male or female, it's the butts they want.

>>10931075
I believe in ayys but I think all the probing and stuff is just a meme.
government black ops probably know what they are.

>>10931049
>WTF is “The Great Filter”

low iq niggers, imagine every country where over 50% of the population have an IQ below 80.

I think the filter is either that gamma ray burst hypothesis, that it's unlikely for an ecosystem to develop to produce enough competition for faster rates of evolution (so the probability of intelligence being selected for is low or takes a very long time from abiogenesis), or the period of civilization development around where we are carries such high destructive potential relative to how widespread a civilization is (e.g. us being stuck on Earth) that probability favors against reaching spacefaring status

>>10931137
What is this supposed to even mean. Talk with your mouth not your ass.

>>10931301
He's priming his ass for when Ayys come here to butt fuck every human. They've been waiting for some time now.

there's no such thing

It's a false premise that is part of the larger alien meme. The alien meme was started as a psy-op because more and more sightings of odd and unexplained aircraft started surfacing around the united states, especially near military installations.
As opposed to coming clean about antigravity engineering, arguably more dangerous than any nuclear weapon, the government started to propagate the false premise that it would be literally impossible for them to construct such aircraft, and so they must come from an alien planet, and therefore be piloted by extraterrestrials.

Either life is extremely rare, or large scale interstellar civilisations (the only ones we could realistically detect) are not feasible.
Likely both.

>>10931642
Wow! Mind blown!

>>10931064
Thank you very much anon. I deeply appreciate you.

>>10931049
bullshit

>>10931064
Shush
Dont spoil Germanic scientific fantasies

>>10931780
Kek

>>10931065
this may happen to humanity and maybe others, but Great Filter needs to be almost universal, otherwise it does not explain the apparent lack of advanced civilizations

>>10931049
>WTF is “The Great Filter” /sci/?

Life is very rare. Alternatively, intelligent life is very rare.

>>10931049
Reasoning behind this is simple. Only one expansive interstellar civilisation is enough to create an galactic empire. It may take a million years but that's nothing compared with the age of the universe. If there would be an galactic empire we would know, we would be part of it. We obviously are not. There may be two likely reasons. We just could be first. Or others tried and failed.

>>10931084
The probing is just them testing us out till the real mass yay rape begins. They will spare no human. Babies. Children, men, women, nonbinaries, the elderly, they all got butts so the aliens will rape em.

>>10931277
Science and culture humans are huge abberaion for sure.
Ethiopians show what happens when we revert back. 70 iq, not even smart enough to plant vegetables and wait for them to grow, have tons of kids, so much that millions of their kids just starve to death while everyone sits around.
They live in a state of nature, like most animals, they fuck when they are horny, they eat whatever food is nearby, otherwise they just lay around waiting for the above two things to happen.
Most animals, even smart ones can exist like this for millions of years never creating a history or learned culture, or even a real language, let along complex tools or compound tools

>>10931990
Forgot my pic

SJWs.

>>10932026
They may cry rape now, but the aliens when they come for their butts are going to miss the west.

>>10931049
It's a solution to a challenge to a baseless conjecture. It means literally nothing.

>>10931049
by the time we'll reach the star we'll have enought tech that a single driven individuals could wipe out the planet.

>>10931990
>>10931065

>>10931932
But what if all the 3d ayys decided to live peaceful and sustainable lives on their respective planets?

>>10931065

>>10932165
Wont matter, butts are butts.

Not sure if they’ll notice the difference when they arrive.

>>10931049
Everyone busts a nut to philosophical speculation about cosmology and space but when it comes to literally anything else it's hurr durr not a science go to /x/
Autists the lot of you.
Complex life multicelluar + the scale of time and space is a potential *great* filter imo.

>>10932196
space exists, humanity exists, thus speculating about aliens can be scientific, even if it suffers from lack of data

most /x/ bullshit is not even real

>>10932174
this is becuase of leftists

>>10932174
>>10932165

It is a filter all right, but a Great Filter? As in almost all alien races fall for this shit? That seems dubious. Unless there is some significant universal relation between high intelligence and pathological altruism..

>>10932236
> Unless there is some significant universal relation between high intelligence and pathological altruism

Honestly I don't think that's too much of a stretch to assume, however while this may definitely be our filter and shit we could already have colonies around the solar system for the trillions we have pissed away feeding niggers, I don't think it's a genuinely universal filter.

>>10932196
>Complex life multicelluar + the scale of time and space is a potential *great* filter imo

Probably this. Doing some basic research on abiogenesis, the amount of sheer luck required to go from a chemical soup to even a basic single cell life forms is so unlikely it's almost incomprehensible. Then you add on the multi cell step and a whole host of other steps after that before you can achieve spaceflight. The add onto that the time and distance factor and it's retard tier unlikely anythijg anywhere even remotely near us is spacefaring.

Yeah that seems like the explanation to me senpai.

>>10931049
The Internet. We slowly evolve into a hivemind, invent AGI, then voluntarily walk into oblivion having realised our inferiority.

>>10932229
This board specifically (and the community at large?) has a problem with social sciences. I don't really see what the problem is when speculating about patterns of human behaviour as long as we're clear when it's speculation and any empirical studies are held up to high standards of rigour.
Anything that isn't super mathermatical and hyper-reductionist is just dismissed off hand as psuedo-science etc plenty of interesting discussion is missed as a result. Must be all the autism.

>>10932263
>Social sciences
>Will accept any number of totally bullshit premises in the community at large based off assumptions and flimsy evidence
>But won't accept that blacks are less intelligent despite a fucking mountain of reliable data and repeatable tests

Cool "science" bro

>>10932248
Yeah, trillions of dollars pissed away not arming up against the aliens who are coming for our butts and soon.

>>10931920
the biggest problems are the distance and speed, even if we reach speed of light, to reach the nearest star will take us 4 years, Millky way is 100,000 light years in lenght, to get from one end to the other would take you 100k years, to reach Andromeda galaxy will take us 2.5 million years at speed of light.

>>10931642
Well, when it takes years to just send a text message from one star system to another...

>>10932196
/thread again/

>>10931962
I'm a proud rapist myself, will the aliens accept me when the day comes?

>>10932888
>to get from one end to the other would take you 100k years, to reach Andromeda galaxy will take us 2.5 million years at speed of light.

Universe is 13.8 billions years old. Plenty of time to colonize the whole galaxy group many times over even at sublight speeds.

>>10933241

I forget the actual numbers, but I saw a post showing how it's actually likely that we're the first ones to be intelligent. It all had to do with what the potential age of the universe is (based on how long it would take until heat death) and see where we currently are on that timeline relative to eventual heat death.

And when you look at it like that, we're essentially living just moments after the Universe's formation. Significantly less than a percent of the Universe's potential lifespan. We could just be first.

>>10933241
sure, maybe, if you assume intelligent spacefaring life popped up at exactly the same time the universe formed

took 4 billion years from the creation of earth to get into space, that's a significant fraction of time

even then, the universe could be teeming with life and we STILL wouldn't know. open up a map of just our galaxy. draw a 100 light year radius circle around earth. it's TINY. that's as far as we would be able to have any probability of detecting life, and that's just in our own GALAXY.

this is assuming that other life uses radio waves, is interested in communicating, etc

>>10933284
>sure, maybe, if you assume intelligent spacefaring life popped up at exactly the same time the universe formed

No, even if you assume intelligent life popped up only several billion years ago, it is still valid.

>>10933284
>this is assuming that other life uses radio waves, is interested in communicating, etc

No, it assumes at least SOME of them are interested in this. Most may not be and Fermi paradox is still a paradox.

>draw a 100 light year radius circle around earth. it's TINY

They should be already here, in the system.

>>10933288
>No, even if you assume intelligent life popped up only several billion years ago, it is still valid.

fair point, i was wrong in that point.

>No, it assumes at least SOME of them are interested in this. Most may not be and Fermi paradox is still a paradox.

hmm. how many spacefaring intelligent species do you assume are within our 100ly sphere of radio propagation?

>They should be already here, in the system.

why? does interstellar colonization necessarily assume that every single system will be colonized? what if the life form doesn't need the conditions on earth that are so favorable to us?

Egalitarianism is the great filter. You need an authoritarian state to feasibly control consumption and population levels.

>>10931049
The great filter is intelligence plus ability to manipulate the environment. Several species on Earth are intelligent enough that they could probably develop effective enough tools that they could improve their chances of survival, and go from there, however NONE of them have the motor skills and body morphology necessary to actually do so. In parallel with our big galaxy brains we humans needed a shoulder capable of letting us chuck spears in order to eventually develop technology, and even then it took over 100,000 years and several almost-extinctions to develop basic agriculture.

The great filter is definitely behind us. If intelligent life with favorable body plans were not the great filter, then there would be millions of species as intelligent as us popping up in our galaxy alone, and if that were the case, it would also be true that if any one of them developed AI technology (which we're well on our way to doing) that AI would eventually run away from them and either turn them into a race of technological cyber-gods that would immediately start expanding and colonizing space at near the speed of light in order to turn everything into dyson swarm computers, OR, that AI would extinct them instantly and start turning the entire universe into either more computers for itself or into paperclips or something equally trivial (the 'paperclip maximizer' super-AI is likely to be something that all rogue AI will embody, and it's what happens when you build an AI that can improve itself and give it a single task). The fact that we even exist means that intelligent life capable of inventing computers cannot be common, because if it were common, the galaxy we live in would most likely have been used as construction material by some ultra-powerful artificial intelligence swarm millions of years ago.

>>10931064
>may prove harder to pull off on worlds other than Earth

Who's to say there aren't several millions planets like Earth in the Milky Way?

>oh no, this planet has .003% higher gravity than Earth, sentient life confirmed cancelled

>>10932236
The ayys who don't fall for it you be absolutely based though.

>>10933282
the only other real possibility is that any other civilizations like us are popping up at the exact same time, which is infinitley unlikely given the timescale of evolution being hundreds of thousands of years for even minor changes and millions on average, but that itself is more likely than a advanced civilization existing for that same amount of time and still being undetectable, because anyone as smart as us given a million years is going to go from thinking about landing on neighbor planets to dyson spheres with millenia to spare

>>10933319
>that AI would eventually run away from them and either turn them into a race of technological cyber-gods that would immediately start expanding and colonizing space at near the speed of light in order to turn everything into dyson swarm computers, OR, that AI would extinct them instantly and start turning the entire universe into either more computers for itself or into paperclips or something equally trivial (the 'paperclip maximizer' super-AI is likely to be something that all rogue AI will embody, and it's what happens when you build an AI that can improve itself and give it a single task).

>I can predict the behavior of god level intelligence that I admit far surpasses my own.

Rethink that.

>>10933301
>what if the life form doesn't need the conditions on earth that are so favorable to us?
our solar system offers almost every type of planet and lot's of asteroids with easy to harvest resources. an expansive civilisation would be interested.

>>10931049
For the most part there is a correlation between wealth and intelligence, for the most part until 1900 poor people reproduced at a lower rate than the wealthy, people who were not successful in the upper echelons fell to the lower.
Lesser sons of kings became lords, lesser lords became gentry, lesser gentry became freemen, lesser freemen became serfs and lesser serfs died.
Of course the same thing happened with the middle class. It was a form of Darwinism the smartest thrived and least intelligent died.
But with the arrival of socialized medicine and the welfare state the bottom rung of society stopped filtering itself. And with the arrival of women in the workplace the professional class stopped reproducing at an acceptable rate.
People planning there children's future with plans on how they will pay for their kids university etc, and decide it's not financially viable to have more than one or two kids tend to be somewhat intelligent.
Eventually the inventions of the intelligent fall into the hands of the unintelligent, and next thing you know President Jamal of the United States insults President Abdul of France and next thing you know Abdul thinks a nuclear strike is an acceptable response.

>>10931064
>so there is a chance we also will hit a dead end before...
More like a certainty. This species is is every bit as retarded as bacteria which eat up all the agar and die in a petri dish.

>>10934925
>Rethink that.
it wouldn't make a difference. The first AI will be something humans create, and from those initial conditions it will rapidly evolve into something incomprehensibly powerful and complex, and predicting that evolution beforehand would be many orders of magnitude more difficult than predicting the exact evolutionary timeline of life on Earth for the last 4 billion years. All we can know for sure is that out of the set to possible superintelligences, the fraction that would either be a benefit to humanity or neutral to humanity is likely to be vanishingly small compared to the fraction that would be extremely harmful to humanity. In the worst case scenario you get an AI that wants to convert the entire universe into something, and humanity gets swept aside in the process as easily as we use hand sanitized to kill skin bacteria.

>>10933301
>hmm. how many spacefaring intelligent species do you assume are within our 100ly sphere of radio propagation?

Zero. The easiest and most straightforward explanation for the Fermi Paradox. What you see is what you get.

>>10931064
didnt you just explain the great filter though?

>>10935354
exactly. there's no 'paradox'. life may be prolific - the universe is just fucking gigantic

>>10932232
>car turning right

>>10931049
A bullshit hypothesis because it makes far too many assumptions about even a local stellar neighborhood we know jack shit about in terms of planetary conditions

>>10935439
No, we are alone in the Hubble volume. That is why we dont see any galactic empires or any acticity at all. What you see is what you get.

>>10935492
>we have not observed any intelligent life in the past *<100 years* of observation
>therefore we are alone in the hubble volume
my man, what the fuck is that logical jump?

>>10935503
Yeah, a hundred years is fucking tiny when we're literally talking about astronomical scales. All you can really guess (and that word is emphasized) is that FTL is not possible if the universe is so silent.

>>10935506
>the universe is so silent
how can we even claim this given how small our observation window is? at best, we can claim that within a roughly 100ly radius sphere of earth, there has not been any detectable activity

we barely have hi res images of pluto, how can we draw any conclusions about any exoplanets?

>>10935506
>>10935503

hundred years is more than enough time to discover a galaxy spanning, billions years old empires

>>10935514
no. not with our technology, we don't even have our own solar system fully discovered yet

>>10935517
We have it discovered enough to know there are no large scale structures in our solar system, and no big alien spaceships either. We also do not see any attempts at harvesting of starlight in the galaxy through Dyson spheres.

Just face it, intelligent aliens dont exist.

>>10931064
so, it's just another a another nut job Einstein thought experiment theory? Muh absurdities cant exist!

ok got it.

>>10935523
we dont have large scale structures or dyson spheres, yet if we encountered another species on our same level of development we would classify them as intelligent

>Just face it, intelligent aliens dont exist.
you keep claiming this with no evidence

>>10935523
bull crap!

>>10935529
>we dont have large scale structures or dyson spheres

we as a modern civilization are a hundred years old, and rapidly developing

we are not representative of the average aliens at all

>>10935540
How the fuck are we going to determine what an "average" is for alien life we literally know nothing about

>>10935542
by using basic logic and knowing the age of the universe

aliens either dont exist, or are on the order of a billion years old

>>10935540
>average aliens
huh?

sure, our modern society is roughly 150 years old right now. why are we claiming to have knowledge of the entire universe when the only other place we've been is the earth?
why are you claiming that absence of evidence is evidence of absence?
do you understand how large even our local group of start systems is? our galaxy? the local group?

>>10935523
http://www.sci-news.com/astronomy/asteroid-2019-ok-07446.html

We missed a 100m asteroid as it came around the range of 43,500 miles.

Face it, you’re wrong

>>10931642
This

>>10935549
>do you understand how large even our local group of start systems is? our galaxy? the local group?

very tiny compared to how old it is

>>10935552
100m is too small, but we would not miss a several kilometer long spaceship

again, just face it, aliens dont exist

>>10935547
Billions of years old doesn't imply billions of years of advancement. Earth itself has had life on it for roughly 4 billion years, and yet it has only had civilization on it for 8,000 years, and barely a 100 years of space exploration/signalling/"""advanced""" observation. Again we are making assumptions with little to no evidence.

>Tfw this is always ignored when talking about extra terrestrials
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nimitz_UFO_incident

>>10935562
Do you not understand yet again? We are in a transitionary, fleeting phase of development. Billions of years old does imply billions of years of advancement, because unless something strange happens (like a filter), we will be he a billion years from now.

Humanity in its current state is not representative of an alien civilization AT ALL. You cannot compare us to billions year old civilizations and draw any reasonable conclusions, because we are 100 years old.

>>10935562
you have no idea about the scale of cosmic time, do you

>>10935562
>Earth itself has had life on it for roughly 4 billion years, and yet it has only had civilization on it for 8,000 years, and barely a 100 years of space exploration/signalling/"""advanced""" observation.

Now imagine Earth 2, but where all this happened a billion years ago. That is where your average aliens would come from. A billion year old civilization.

>>10935567
>>10935569
>>10935575
Yes, I realized shortly after posting that the argument I made was dumb and fallacious. Please allow me to excuse my uneducated opinion from this thread.

>>10935567
>Shape of tic-tac
>Has no reported extrusion other than two cylinders on the bottom
>No exhaust plume
>Size of boeing 737
>Goes to mach 25 in 1 second
>Seen by multiple fighter pilots, multiple superhornet FLIR, the USS Nimitz’s radar, and a hawkeye plane
>Seen multiple times

>>10935603

>>>/x/

>>10935630
What is wrong? This is all documented