/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10919900
couldn't believe it when it did that full 360 flip in mid-air like that, no wonder FAA approval took so long

>>10919922
Elon sure knows how to please the crowds.

1 hour boys

>>10919948
Sigh, I'll just copy and paste my last response.

Remember that NASA's current annual budget is only about 3% comparatively of what the United States gives annually to it's social programs. The United States spends hundreds of billions to help "the poor" and yet there are still starving and homeless in the country. So ask yourself, would a mere 3% would actually help "the poor" compared to putting thousands of highly skilled people out of work and crippling US space interests? Interests such as science, GPS, communications, weather tracking, maritime trade monitoring, etc. Space isn't just some place nerds obsess over, it is a place where legitimate interests for the country rest in.

>>10919948
>implying Jeff Bezos isn't doing his part

>>10919948
>in fighting poverty and equality of women.
Thats exactly what they're doing though, everyone knows the first human on mars is going to be a diverse, incompetent black woman

>>10919948
It was a joke. God damn jannies need to keep their lid. How do you not recognize an obvious joke?

>>10920001
it's really annoying and not on-topic
please fuck off and learn what a REAL joke is (hint, it's propellant depots)

>>10920001
hanlons razor doesn't apply to internet moderation desu

why do you guys cheer for this stupid team bullshit?!

you are like the people that believe in politics or watch football.. go back to red.dit with your stupid apple spy faggot device

>>10920055
>why do you guys cheer for this stupid team bullshit?!
What "stupid team bullshit"?

>>10920055
Any significant progress in spaceflight is exciting to real human beans, anon

>>10920058
caring about some fake ass tin can

get a life.. there are better aerospace companies that are actually qualified and it's obvious you only like spacex because it's a team, like apple

you are using an apple device arent you?

Reminder to report and ignore the trolls.

>>10920069
It's already flown, what's fake about it? Yes im aware you're tolling

>>10920069
you should reflect upon your words and realize it is you that is the team bullshit

>>10920065
>Any significant progress in spaceflight
so something besides a janky ass tin can publicity stunt?

also this technology will be used by the government which elon has so successfully courted to put spy satellites into orbit to kill millions of brown people and expose you for watching trap porn

meanwhile if you want to start a rocket company you could never ever even imagine of getting the required licenses.. hardly even for a model rocket

keeping being the useful idiot dogo that you've been so adequately trained and conditioned to be.. i think i just heard a bell ring

stop replying to the bait

>>10920069
>caring about some fake ass tin can
You mean the Starhopper? Because that vehicle is part of SpaceX's development of their new generation of launchers. So it's understandable that people are interested in it.

>there are better aerospace companies that are actually qualified
SpaceX is just as qualified as other launch providers like ULA and Ariane.

>it's obvious you only like spacex because it's a team, like apple
Where in my previous post did I show this? It didn't.

>you are using an apple device arent you?
No. The device I use is irrelevant here.

>>10920085
>so something besides a janky ass tin can publicity stunt?
Gotta start somewhere anon. Guys building rocket powered vehicles out of steel paneling outdoors is new technology, and represents reduced manufacturing costs. Also Raptor performing hops means they're working out how to rapidly throttle and control a FFSC engine in mid flight, which is also totally new shit.
>also this technology will be used by the government which elon has so successfully courted to put spy satellites into orbit to kill millions of brown people and expose you for watching trap porn
Implying I care
>meanwhile if you want to start a rocket company you could never ever even imagine of getting the required licenses.. hardly even for a model rocket
Good thing I don't want to start a rocket company, I don't even really want to work at one. If anything I'd buy a ticket if they were cheap enough to go to the Moon or something and mop floors for a few months.
>keeping being the useful idiot dogo that you've been so adequately trained and conditioned to be.. i think i just heard a bell ring
Please explain your pavlov's dog analogy, I honestly don't get what you're trying to troll me with.

>>10920089
but it keeps the thread moving, plus i aint even mad

>>10920114
>Gotta start somewhere anon.
How DARE SpaceX launch not a rocket that's fully developed. They should've cast a "Create Rocket Spell"

>>10920120
>it keeps the thread moving
Why is that any kind of a good thing? Ex-Lax keeps you moving too, but you wouldn't eat it as a snack.

>hop in ten minutes but I have to take a big stinky shit
every time goddamnit

>>10920132
see >>10920133
you clearly don't know me

>>10920133
>not watching the stream while s(h)itting on your white throne
Literal shitposting

>>10920120
>aint even mad
So act in a manner that ensures that all others will be aware of this fact as well.

>>10920133
>doesn't use smartphone in bathroom for hours

>>10920120
>keeps the thread moving
that's a bad thing, just let meaningful discourse occur naturally

>>10920145
This. Lame shitposting kills generals. If you're going to shitpost, keep it interesting and legitimately funny.

>>10920137
>>10920141
it's hard to focus when you've got molten lava exiting your anus, the spicy fried rice is almost worth it tho

>>10920159
Your loss.

>>10920154
Generals are the cancer killeng 4channel tho

hop at 6pm Texas time

40 minutes away

get hype

Is Kerbal Space Program /sfg/ approved or are there better such games around?

>>10920234
That's circular reasoning.

>>10920234
How so?

>>10920237
autists will say orbiter but that isn't a game
no other game teaches you how orbits work better than Ksp, even if they are simplified it has enough that you can fill in the blanks for things like lagrange points yourself

>>10920237
KSP2

>>10920237
KSP but after you get the hang of the basics you should install all the realism mods

>>10920237
no not really but it's pretty fun

>>10920237
don't pay money for it, devs are scum

>>10920316
What's the problem?

SpaceX stream is up

>>10920402
Link, damnit.

>>10920417
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhjyz183poo

Lol, Everyday Astronaut's stream crashed 2 minutes before the hop

>>10920463
what hop

>>10920463
I think it reached the youtube's 2 hour limit.

>>10920650
>2 hour limit
The official stream has over 2.5h of video

https://www.wdtv.com/content/news/Katherine-Johnson-turns-101-558323711.html

>>10920706
who cares we wanna see a flying trash bin not an old black hag

>>10920706
whos bitch this is

Hop scrubbed for today. Maybe tomorrow

>>10920650
wasn't the tesla roadster livestream like 6 hours long?

>>10920396
the devs aren't scum but their new corporate overlords are

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1166141136198488064

An interesting paper about the maximum Isp of the three common -lox bi-propellants.

https://thephysicsofspacex.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/isp-upper-limits.pdf

The very curious part is that kerolox is theoretically more efficient than methalox despite other reports on the contrary. I think this paper is overlooking the fact that kerolox exhaust reacts on itself very frequently and thus robs energy from the exhaust.

What do you guys think?

>>10921184
>kerolox exhaust reacts on itself very frequently and thus robs energy from the exhaust
Actually it's that kerosene doesn't burn fast enough and thus there's a bunch of energy being wasted in the exhaust plume (note for example that kerosene exhaust is always bright yellow, that's all unburned hydrocarbon compounds). Making kerosene burn faster is pretty much impossible, so you only option is to make the combustion chamber longer, which also robs efficiency anyway but also adds difficulty to your cooling loop, since each kg of kerosene can only absorb so much heat.

>>10921184
>>10921256

I don't like how for kerosene he chose to use an average amount of carbon and hydrogen atoms, and then calculate the energy released by that mass of pure carbon and hydrogen gas when burned with oxygen. I feel like it would be more rigorous to also include a calculation for specifically a light constituent of kerosene (say C8H18) and a heavy kerosene (C12H26 for example), to establish a known range, and to verify that his previous result with carbon dust and hydrogen gas still provided a result in that range. I have the sneaking suspicion that in effectively breaking down the kerosene into simpler compounds 'for free', he accidentally inflated the theoretical maximum Isp figure for kerosene.

>>10921269
That could be the reason why it's so high. More than combustion rate in >>10921256. Lots more "free" hydrogen in the calculation than methalox so the reaction ends up acting more like hydrolox.

Anyone know how the methane and lox tank is placed inside of starhopper? Probably different from starship i think

>>10920316
Devs aren't scum, but are pretty incompetent compared to most indie companies.

Will aerospikes ever catch on?

Assuming we could say “alright, fuck it” in the face of safety and environmental concerns, what’s the best propellant-oxidezer combination we could use to successfully launch a Dragon-size payload to space?

>>10921455
>not rdes
pleeeeeb

>>10921477
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)
If you REALLY don't give a fuck about the environment or safety just ride on the back of nuclear bombs.

>>10921487
>rdes
What's that?

>>10921495
https://www.aerodefensetech.com/component/content/article/adt/tech-briefs/mechanics-and-machinery/15684

https://aerospaceamerica.aiaa.org/year-in-review/advances-made-toward-rotating-detonation-engines/

>>10920316
>>10921390
KSP is owned by Take-Two now, they're not indie anymore.

>>10921455
Maybe when fusion rockets or something are developed.
Their main advantage is for SSTOs, but SSTOs suck compared to 2-stage reusable rockets. So I don't expect you'll see them flying any time soon.

>>10920650
No he said he thought his camera overheated, it was hot as fuck today in Texas.

When is the next hop.
Elon you cunt, me and 100k of other blue balled people can't stand this.

>>10921494
>The optimal Orion drive bomblet yield (for the human crewed 4,000 ton reference design) was calculated to be in the region of 0.15 kt, with approx 800 bombs needed to orbit and a bomb rate of approx 1 per second

[nervous laughter]

>>10921509
KSP name/IP is owned by take-two, the original devs aren't working on KSP 2. Original devs are still maintaining KSP 1 though.

>>10921604
Probaby will do a better job, hope they keep the flavor text though

>mfw aborted

I fell ALSEP. What happened to hopper and why was the thread scrubbed?

>>10921847
The zippo was out of flint.

>>10921853
The igniter circuits were mis-wired.

>>10921853
>>10921856
The batteries were dead.

>>10921865

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1166252392364441600

>>10921723
I’m skeptical. We’ll see.

>>10921872
There’s really not many CEOs out there like elon..

>>10921865
they should have used the pro controller

This is why you use Aerospace Grade(tm) Circuit Wiring.
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>>10921872
goddamn look at all those wiring experts in the replies.

>>10921872

>>10921920
If it isn't expendable, it isn't the best!
How can you optimize performance if you don't even know how many times it might get used?

>>10920396
>>10920815
>>10921390
>>10921509
>>10921604
>>10921723
The games original creator, Harv, made it as a hobby project while working at an ad agency in Mexico. After it got popular the ad agency used a clause in his contract that anything he wrote was owned by the company to take control of the project. The producers forced the game into a more child friendly experience rather than the more hardcore experience that Harv desired, for example preventing Kerbals from permadying, just popping up MIA then respawning later. They also halted any plans for complex resource and refinement chains and life support in exchange for a half assed rock = fuel system and baby tier career mode. When sales started dwindling the producers forced the game to 1.0 in a wholly incomplete state, so they could justify pumping out DLC. Harv left when he smelled what was happening.

Before that could happen, every single developer bar a newly hired scripter and a part time modder quit the company, and revealed that the development team had an extremely rapid turnover rate due to the ad execs paying developers Mexican Minimum Wage ($4.80 per DAY), that some had resorted to living in their vehicles, and others with their parents.
A further look into the finances showed that all the money from purchasing got funneled into a Belgian shell company that the execs had sole control over, with only a trickle being used to actually develop the game. After the walkout the scripter and modder finished the first DLC on their own, and the entire ad agency, now practically a husk, was sold off to Take-Two while the execs fled with the money in the Belgian shell company.

Take-Two promptly shoved spyware into the game to track internet history to determine how the game was purchased and where people heard about it. They took it out after backlash but it poisoned everyone on the company. That said they're practically the lesser evil by default.

>>10922008
o also the main feature set of KSP2: interstellar systems, extraplanetary colonization, and multiplayer; were all promised to be in the original game at some point or another.

>>10922059
Hey! Who let that meme escape?

>>10922059
That anon who was going to talk to Sowers better get that done and share his findings here.

>>10921384
There aren't any header tanks in starhopper. The only tanks are the ones that also make up the structure of the vehicle, and those are stacked methane on the bottom oxygen on top and a single bulkhead between them.

hop thread round 2
>>10922178

>>10922179
8 hours before it launches? why?

>>10922059
Just wait until the sls goes and the shuttle replacement comes in with the promises...

>>10922008
I remember reading forum posts about how that friendly joolian moon was supposed to be hellish landscape of radiation volcanoes and earth quakes.
Interesting what could have been and incredibly sad knowing it never will be unless somebody risks his money and does it himself.
Sounds... familiar?

>>10921604
There's only like one guy still at Squad that was part of the early crew.

>SLS will never fly
>Orion will never fly
>JWST will never fly

>>10922299
Starship will launch JWST, rendering every other launch system obsolete

>>10922299
>SLS will never fly
The SLS will probably still be "developed" on and will fly even after Starship stars flying, because the political momentum behind it is too strong. SLS supporters can just use the "SpaceX hasn't proven itself to be reliable" argument even though the Falcon 9 is just as reliable as any other launcher.

>>10922366
They'll shift to other gear once very big rockets with musicians start approaching the moon.
Exploiting the benefit of doubt is one strategy that worked exceedingly well for many years, but when all doubts are gone it gets embarrassing and this will provoke some changes here and there, not beneficial of course.
My guess;
>Moon is easy we've already done it 50 years ago we are looking at Mars now thats why we need XYZ which isn't offered by the young commercial sector
When Mars is easy we can just say Jupiter. Lets see how the commercials will get nuclear reactors, ha ha ha!

>>10922414
>Lets see how the commercials will get nuclear reactors, ha ha ha!
Either fusion will finally work, or they will find uranium or thorium on mars or on an asteroid. Then the goal posts will move again.

>>10922510
I can't wait for Mars to be a nuclear power independent of Earth

To people who laught at Spacex:
For if absurdity be the subject of laughter, doubt you not but great boldness is seldom without some absurdity - Francis Bacon

>>10922414
>The year is 2703
>"Who cares about that Epstein drive thingy. It hasn't been proven save and reliable yet. Did it go through literally hundreds of years of safety studies by Neo-Boeing in New Alabama? No. You know what vehicle has done that and will pave the away to the outer system? SLS! Keep funding it and mankind will be seated among the stars. We're expecting EM-2 in 3 years."

>>10922299
kek
i was too engaged in the ep to noticed the meme potential

our guy is on that radio show tonight

>>10922610
t. Baron Richard "The Pork Must Flow" Shelby from House Shelby

>>10922735
>Far future
>Shelby from House Shelby
>Alabama
Imagine the levels of incest. The family tree probably looks like a spider web. Whatever necessary to guarantee jobs in the South I guess.

>>10922735
>>10922741
Hmmmm...

Crew arm access

>>10920069
Are you from Alabama by any chance?

>>10920085
>
also this technology will be used by the government which elon has so successfully courted to put spy satellites into orbit to kill millions of brown people and expose you for watching trap porn
Thats what i want you dingus

>>10922008
Source for that? Because at least this story about the creation of KSP reads way less shadowy:
https://venturebeat.com/2013/11/05/moonshot-how-kerbal-space-programs-creator-launched-an-indie-darling-from-out-of-nowhere/

IT FUCKING HOPPED

>>10923207
Fuck yeah

>SLS will never fly
>ignore that New Glenn is vaporware and BO will end up just building engines for Vulcan

>>10923370
>ignore that New Glenn is vaporware and BO will end up just building engines for Vulcan
What makes you think that?

>>10923370
SLS will fly once or twice and Blue Origin will either be completely irrelevant vaporware or the irl version of Mao-Kwik

>>10923382
What has BO actually done besides build BE-4 engines for ULA?

>>10923397
New Shepard.

But I get what you mean, Blue isn't very open about their work and so it looks like they're doing less than the SLS. However, I'd say that they should still be given a chance. They haven't done anything super impressive yet, but they also haven't done anything disappointing either. They haven't met their first big due date (the launch of New Glenn) yet, so I argue that we should just wait to see how that goes.

>>10923051
PR spin vs what came out after, true in the loosest possible sense

>>10923427
Blue is going the old space industry standard route. Its dissapointing. Instead of being open about their development, they just hide away to shield it from any sort of negative perception due to its slow development time.

>>10923536
True, it their way is pretty lame. However, it makes sense for Blue to do that, their main sources of income isn't from public sources, so why bother with making a good public image if there a chance that the public will develop a negative image which could harm Blue's attempts to get money from the government. To Blue, it could just be easier to make it so that the public has no or a very small image of them, rather than try to maintain a good image.


I'll reiterate though, Blue hasn't had a real chance to disappoint us just yet, lets just wait until the reported date of the first New Glenn launch and see what happens.

So with how secretive Blue Origin is what's the over/under of them just rolling a completed New Glenn out with no warning or announcement.

>>10923571
like 50/50

>>10923427
>New Shepard.

>>10923673
It's still a pretty impressive rocket, even if it's suborbital.

>>10923692
I liked it when it was called DC-X

>>10923702
I liked it when it was a Six Flags ride

>>10923702
I remember watching a spaceflight documentary by TLC as a kid and I was amazed by the DC-X. But then I was disappointed when I learned that it got canceled and was never developed further. The same for the X-33 too.

>>10923702
It literally is though, BO hired a bunch of former DC-X people to build it.

>>10923712
I feel like I was born at exactly the right time to appreciate New Space (1996). My entire childhood was canceled and failed programs, Shuttles exploding and then being canceled, and general apathy. When I was learning to drive the idea of landing on the Moon again was fading. Now optimistic projections put man on Mars by the mid 2020s, less than a decade away. Only oldfag boomers know a more wholesome feel (seeing the rise, death, and Phoenix like ascension of space)

>>10923724
Honestly, spaceflight was pretty disappointing during my childhood. Sure, the Shuttle was cool, but it didn't really do much compared to what was already done and what was promised. And then there was the Shuttle cancellation with no replacement which felt like America was backing out of spaceflight entirely. Sure there was Ares, but that got canned too. But I'm glad that there's a renewed energy in spaceflight, and I really hope that it continues.

In defense related news...word is that the Space Development Agency's "Advanced Maneuvering Vehicles" (see pic) are intended to be surveillance spacecraft that would patrol cislunar space to gather intel on other nation's spacecraft in the region. Boring spacecraft but interesting that they want to expand surveillance to beyond Earth orbit.
https://www.c4isrnet.com/battlefield-tech/space/2019/08/27/the-pentagon-wants-to-solve-a-deep-space-problem-with-three-vehicles/

So are the engines going to be recessed into the skirt or what?
I hope we get starwars-style kino lewd SuperHeavy upskirt shots.
Are they going to mass manufacture starships vertically or horizontally?
Did the retarded Florida alligator rapebabies build their thrust structure slanted? Because it looks like it's slanted.

when will Musky admit that wicca girls suck and TOMBOYS are actually the best gfs?

taking bets on how soon Superheavy-Lofted-Starship goes orbital

>>10923756
I don't think it's boring. I think that's pretty amazing! I believe that the next major push into space would be for protecting space interests. A vehicle like that represents the first step towards that.

>>10923765
Are you blind, because I can see pixels

Do you think that when the SLS gets cancelled there will be an investigation on how the project was so poorly managed? Do you think there will be any repercussions to those directly involved? Do you think that all of SLS will be quietly swept away to avoid a scandal?

I think that nothing will come of SLS being cancelled. The US government has shown to not really care if management of NASA is poor. For example, after Challenger, various engineers have been fired (along with one of the guys who was the most vocal about not launching), but nothing was really done about the people who actually made the decision to launch Challenger. Once the SLS gets ended, all problems related to it would be quietly dismissed while moving on to other projects.

A friendly intracompany bet of 5,000,000 MarsMiles says the MK2 gets the prototypical greenlight.

>>10923815
it's so beautiful
also you can see where the weldment decreases the rust resistance of the stainless

>>10923815
Still looks a little too wrinkly desu, but I hope all goes well for both the Mk1 and Mk2.

Any news on what's actually inside them payload-wise?

>>10923765
>taking bets on how soon Superheavy-Lofted-Starship goes orbital
2021 at the absolute latest, the speed of progress has been insane and shows no signs of slowing down

>>10923815
>5 million MarsMiles
can I convert those to AirMiles or do I need another fucking points card

also definitely on the Mk 2 side, it looks shinier.

So there will be a presentation in about a month (?) and optimistically an orbital launch at the end of the year/early 2020, right?

>>10923823
1 Mars-mile is how long Elon can walk in 20 Elon-minutes.

>>10923207
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYb3bfA6_sQ
NO THIS CANNOT BE HAPPENING. I'M IN CHARGE HERE!!!

Any news on the status of the first SLS? Like what's holding it back? I've hearing that all the parts are ready for months.

>>10923848
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/07/nasas-large-sls-rocket-unlikely-to-fly-before-at-least-late-2021/

>>10923861
So it's sitting in limbo at Stennis? What's preventing them from doing the Green test now?

Also
>"NASA has not been good at setting realistic budget and schedules, and we need to get better at that," Bridenstine said
Understatement of the year. I suck at managing and I think I could've done a better job with SLS than what NASA did.

>>10923861
I don't understand this
>rocket is nearly done guys
>we got the engines mounted, we're ready for the green run
>when's the green run? oh idk maybe next year
>when's the launch? idk whenever lol
I can't tell whether SpaceX has spoiled me on pacing or if NASA is being criminally negligent in oversight

>>10923868
NASA has been fine at setting realistic budgets and schedules. NASA has not been fine at meeting them. The solution isn't "increase budgets and delay schedules to match our ineptitude". The solution is "git gud".

>>10923873
It's starting to seem like incredible negligence, but like, you can't just have stuff sitting around for no reason. I want to know what's holding NASA back so much on the green run.

>>10923875
>The solution is "git gud".
Indeed. The sad thing though, it that the pace that SLS is going seems to be acceptable. It shouldn't.

>>10923873
Imagine this.

You get paid one billion dollars per year...

this is
enough money
to buy one mansion in each country in the world, a couple of times over.

This money is guaranteed, NO MATTER HOW MUCH TIME YOU TAKE and the goverment supports you and shits on your enemies with the full might of the state.


what would you do? hurry to finish?

>>10923892
hurry to finish and deliver the best product possible and demand 1.2 billion per year next time

if they ask why you deserve more money point at SLS

>>10923899
sorry, we don't need another one

>>10923899
If you deliver a good product you are associating the idea that your reward is tied up to your results, this is not how they are used to living

>>10923384
It's going to be the latter and only the most delusional of SpaceX fanbois would ever disagree. Silence has always been Blue Origin's MO, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the first New Glenn is 90% complete in some warehouse somewhere getting ready for an unannounced rollout within the next 6 months.

Mk1 will fly in ~mid-late Nov.

>>10923909
Source?

>>10923904
>If you deliver a good product you are associating the idea that your reward is tied up to your results,
good
>this is not how they are used to living
https://youtu.be/lY5SpyIhC6g

>>10923907
New Glenn is planned to have it's first launch in 2021 IIRC.

>Rumor that Starliners crewed mission has been delayed until December 30
>Crew Dragon penciled in for December 17
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO...

>>10923926
>meanwhile in orion land

>>10923926
Hopefully Boeing can keep a schedule. I know they've gotten used to that weak shit from SLS, but that's no excuse.

>>10923923
Yeah, so expect to see a rollout and early tests next year.

>>10923919
Estimate.

>>10923963
E-elon?

>>10923969
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_(rocket_and_spacecraft)#Testing

Based on past performances and goals.

>>10923971
>>10923963

I bet thundercuck is seething.

>>10923988
are you making a reference to the endless eight problem or...

>>10923992
Did he ever say anything about starhopper?

>>10923994
I guess partially but I was more poking fun at anon's credibility being "It seems about right and wikipedia agrees"

The best part is I think he's right anyways

>>10923992
he's been totally silent, which means he's PISSED

>>10923995
He probably deleted his shits lol.

meanwhile: the door is OPEN

>>10924012
>not orange
Laaaaaaaame

>>10924016
you say that but eventually there might be an orange version
do you know why? depots

>>10924012
I wonder if they're going to make a version of those VABs where they move. Move into position, weld them up, move back, crane the completed hull out of the way for the next one.

>>10924019
>d word
No.

>>10923992
What did the dribbling moron say now?

what a time to be alive

>>10924029
Nothing. He probably wont say anything about it (other than maybe the COPV flying off). Mainly because he has a hateboner for Elon, not SpaceX.

>>10924038
Sad. I have issues with Elon but I'm a adult and look over petty shit. I thought this man was a scientist. Prob a reddit scientist

>>10924050
>reddit scientist
I'm almost afraid to ask what that is.

>>10924012
How much assembly could they do in there? Plus, how durable is it for hurricanes?

>>10924072
Look at those vertical beams, pretty beefy. I wouldn't be surprised if they built that in anticipation of hurricane season. As long as it's well anchored and the fabric holds up, that tent looks stronk.

>>10924072
Armchair engineer here. Wouldn't it be better to remove the panels and just have the beams in place? High winds would result in high pressure against them (see pic related). Would removing them be delightfully counterintuitive?

>>10924050
It took me a long time, but I finally outgrew the notion that being a "scientist" should automatically demand any level of respect. Even though we don't know exactly how much of an impact Elon has, and although he still says some dumb things, I respect him much more as an engineer/scientist because he's continually getting shit done. Elon is all about iterating in real time, making his mistakes public and owning them. Fucking hell, I've been reading too much Nassim Taleb but Elon is such a perfect example of having skin in the game unlike thundercuck who is just a talking nobody.

>>10924123
you gotta understand that scientist are people and they can be full of shit

Will SuperHeavy be fast enough to need heat tiles?

>>10924136
no, it's already made out of a substance that most would consider a heat tile

>>10924136
going by that KSC environmental impact document, it'll land similarly downrange as the falcon stage, so I doubt there'd be much more heat with SH

imagine if SpaceX had this dummy thicc budget

>>10924140
I was there last summer. Was at the top floor too. All floors in that thing are grates and thus see through. My acrophobia on the top floor was screaming.

So what exactly is the point of Starhopper™?

>>10924093
Hurricane protection is probably the main point of the structure, but I wonder how bad of a hurricane it could withstand. Despite being built hurricane-proof, the cape had a scare a couple years ago that structures would be badly damaged by a glancing blow.

>>10923563
Anything related to Jeff Bezos has a bad popular opinion, so I understand why would they try to keep BO as low on the radar as possible

lads SpaceX rejected my job application.

>>10924156
>Testing Starship assembly techniques
>Raptor flight testbed
>PR

>>10924170
I saw bergerboy on twitter say they get half a million applications a year. Dunno how true that is but at least you're in good company.
>tfw been rejected almost a dozen times over six years

>>10924156
Post hop? It's a vertical test stand.

>>10924117
The point of the structure is to shield the rocket, if you had big gaps the wind might gust high enough to push the rocket body over inside the building.

>>10923571
This is what they're going to do. My money is on a keynote speech or something similar next summer.

Also, I'll bet one of their first missions for New Glenn will be a heavy launch sending a Blue Moon lander on a one-way trip to a landing. It's not Starship, but it'll still be damned impressive nonetheless.

>https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1166453539754913793
>https://oig.nasa.gov/docs/Follow-uptoMay2019AuditofEuropaMission-CongressionalLaunchVehicleMandate.pdf
>NASA Inspector General strongly urges Congress to remove requirement that Europa be launched on SLS.
>Congress could reduce risks to both the Europa mission and Artemis program while potentially saving taxpayers up to $1billion by providingNASA the flexibility in forthcoming fiscal year (FY) 2020appropriations legislation to determine the most cost effective and timely vehicle to launch the Europa Clipper mission in 2023 or whenever the satellite is completed.

>>10924156
flying raptor test stand

>>10924156
Raptor flight test.

>>10924207
>Clipper flies direct to Jupiter on a fully refueled Starship
>gets there quicker for a tenth the cost

>>10924221
>with 20 tons of rideshare science payload

>>10924224
How many Starships would a long term manned expedition to Jupiter go? (I know it would be years, but exploration voyages of years are hardly uncommon historically). You'd need some form of artificial gravity and a good bit of rec / living space. You'd probably want a fairly large crew to keep the impact of insanity and loneliness to a minimum (that said, even an hour lag video exchange with Earth is infinitely better than what Lewis and Clark had). Perhaps a ring of Starships spun around a central tether, with inflatable sections connecting the Starships in a transferable ring. All the stresses would be on the central cable and what I'm describing is no more advanced than a suspension bridge.


...is this an original idea?

>>10924207
boing on suicide watch

>>10924299
more than two Starships and connecting them at all ever are ideas I have never seen before

>>10924299
>transferable
traversable
like, a ring of starships (maybe 8 around a hub) with bigelow tubes connecting them, all supported in tension by the central tether so nothing needs to hold more than it's own weight

>>10924299
The problem is that we don't have any shuttle designs that are safe for more than ~6 months, after that the radiation levels are way too high.

>>10924305
Tell them to give up smoking and red meat to bring the cancer levels back to something reasonable, inform them of the risks, and have them sign waivers. That said, ship design can help mitigate some of it. Water filled walls would provide both important potables and some level of radiation protection. If you fill the Starships all the way to maximum load you could probably get a good bit of old fashioned lead in. We've got hundreds of tons to play with.

>>10924303
>>10924302
>>10924299
And to clarify this isn't a thrust structure. All Starship make their own burns for Jupiter and only once they've gone on the float do you break out the cables and make like a wheel.

>>10924312
lead is less efficient than water or other light elements

>>10924316
Oh I actually naïvely assumed it was ideal because it's used on Earth a lot, that's actually going to be an important habit to break in the next few decades

>>10924319
it's volume efficient but not mass efficient

>>10924312
Starship will probably use methane based radiation shielding. Methane will serve as fuel for the rocket, for cooling the starship as it lands, and for radiation protection for the crew in deep space.

>>10924324
How efficient is simply packing the outer couple feet of hull with stores and water as far as radiaton is concerned?

>>10924325
I like this idea too

>>10924328
good but it's better to make a pig pillow fort out of your food and water and hide in there for events
GCR isn't predictable however

near future SpX events
>TWO starlink launches, which means two trains to track... and constant explaining of TLE's and how to use previSat to clueless anons
>Starship presentation
>Mk 1 SS decking out
>In-flight abort

plus all of the other space things happening.

>>10924328
>How efficient is simply packing the outer couple feet of hull with stores and water as far as radiaton is concerned?
Mmm drinking radioactive water.

>>10924334
The neutron activation of water would be measurable but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be harmful levels over any reasonable amount of time. Is this not true?

>>10924334
>>10924340
water doesn't become neutron activated easily
it becomes deuterium water first, which doesn't appreciably affect the human body
also oxygen can absorb a neutron as well before becoming radioactive

>>10924353
>heavy water doesn't effect the body
I know you mean "in the levels likely to occur during a trip" rather than "all the water is heavy now" but heavy water is technically toxic if it displaces enough regular water in your body.

>>10924353
For that matter at what rate does pure H2O convert to deuterium outside the Earth's magnetosphere? If we had a space elevator could it be cheaper than current methods to just put a bunch of water in space and let it sit there until it became deuterium?

>>10924359
what are the symptoms of heavy water toxicity

>>10924366
you urinate a liquid similar to cement slurry

>>10924366
sterility
death
only animal tests have been conducted

>>10924359
>umm doc, there's something wrong with my piss
>"What do you mean?"
>well last night I got up to pee...
>"Alright..."
>...and I didn't even need to turn on the lights
>"What does that have to do with your urine? How did you even hit the bowl?"
>my piss illuminated the toilet, doc. could see it clear as day
>doc's fw

>>10924366
https://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae685.cfm
the symptoms are death, because the cause is there's some really slight chemical difference between water and heavy water that by the time you die has replaced most of your body weight

we just evolved to be made of water with a very slightly different set of properties so you fucking die

>>10924374
deuterium doesn't fluoresce though
and if you were drinking tritium you would collapse into a coma before you got to the doctor's office

>>10924374
heavy water is not radioactive, you could neither see nor taste the difference quality (an extra neutron) makes

and in practice this is all theoretical because you'd need to neutron activate literally 80% of the water which is clearly not going to happen

https://yarchive.net/med/heavy_water.html
>>10924374
heavy water is not radioactive

>>10924376
>>10924377
>>10924379
Good thing I didn't choose to become a nuclear engineer then. lol

>>10919900
Earth is flat

>>10924382
I'm a business major who likes rockets and nukes

>>10924383
Your head is flat.

>>10924383
I hope one day soon I'll be able to look down on Earth for the cost of an airliner ticket. I will report back and tell you whether the Earth is flat.

desu orbital refueling on the scale of starship is still scary. If it doesn’t work out, then a big part of the starship architecture will not be feasible

>>10924392
at that point you're doing Starship-Centaur which is absolutely meme-worthy

>>10924392
Well, moving around propellant of that magnitude in space is going to be necessary eventually, might as well work out the kinks sooner rather than later.

The starship presentation can’t come soon enough, that’s for sure.

By the way, Boca Chica > Cocoa now. 1 hop vs no hop. The Mk1’s at either site seem to be sort of equivalent in progress. Anyone care to gamble which one will fly first?

>>10924392
If it works out we'll have the technology for serious interplanetary ships like I described above using eight Starships tethered at the nose and connected by inflatable habitats like spokes of a wheel

What I described would be nearly off the shelf technology if Starship works as advertised. It could be done on SpaceX's own budget.

>>10924389
Planes aren't real. When you go on a plane you are killed and replaced with a shapeshifting demon.

>>10924396
1 major hop that is. Although Cocoa has the ring farm, and supposedly big pieces of the launch pad thingies ready to be installed after the pad pouring operations

>>10924398
but what if i fly multiple times? who kills the demons?

>>10924398
If you really believed that I'd give up on trying to correct you now because you're an insane crazy person.

>>10924396
You can't compare hops if Cocoa wasn't told to build a hopper. Do we know if Hopper was an all SpaceX thing or a Team Boca Chica thing?

>>10924396
Boca Chica due to easier transport and scheduling to the launchsite
Cocoa due to FAA being no fun allowed
my money says Cocoa

>>10924299
Like this?

And here is someone analyzing Starship trajectories to gas giants. It is a beast after refueling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartle%E2%80%93Hawking_state

>>10924413
no that's some bullshit about quantum

>>10924406
Cocoa started building mk 1 much later than Boca, and no hopper as well yeah

>>10924413
sorry bad link

https://toughsf.blogspot.com/2019/05/starship-lite-from-rapid-interplanetary.html

>>10924366
It's at least as bad as DHMO, but you would have to drink a LOT of it to get enough to matter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water#Toxicity_in_humans

>>10924413
Like that but with eight spokes instead of two

>>10924400
And then Anonymous was the demons.

>>10924145
Look at all the money that tank ate up.

>>10919900
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmgiHDwvMVs

>>10924117
I wonder how many profitable starship missions it’ll take for Spacex to build up enough capital and confidence in investors to build a future iteration proof Space centre for their rockets? It’ll have to be much roomier and taller than the already gigantic KSC, considering Spacex will more than likely build bigger and taller rockets in the future as the Space economy takes off and a need for even cheaper and bigger rockets necessitates larger facilities.

>>10924423
Why 8? 8 is shit 2 is good

>>10924392
Physics don't prohibit orbital refueling despite certain politicians and CEO's best wishes. If they make superheavy lift vehicle all alone and in few years that dwarfs saturn 5 in lift capacity and utterly humiliates the world's missile programs in price then the world changes and there's no stopping it. So far things are looking diamond tier pretty.

>>10924207
>Shelby is the chairman of the commitee

Just forget it. It's flying on SLS.

>>10924693
because when you have 8 starships in a ring you can connect them and form a literal fucking ring station made of starships

>Not one webm of this yet.
Damn it, /sci/, at least get, "WEBM for Retards," so you can make webms of this shit. There are a few different youtube vid downloaders online too.

>>10924928
anon, I... >>10923279 >>10923302

>the next starship to fly will be a production starship
>we are entering spaceframe serial production

>>10924931
>webm isn't in this thread
>doesn't post it himself
>doesn't post any images on the image board when he posts

Apply yourself.

>>10924951

>>10924960
>off-topic shit
wtf is wrong with you?

>>10924964
4chan is an anime website
anime reaction images are always on-topic

>>10924968
>post count -1
Stop spamming, tourist.

>>10924970

>it's another "redditor invader screeches against anime" episode
why wont you mongrels go the fuck back

>>10924975
based

>>10924968
Sure but you're avatar fagging post cute anime girls doing space shit at least

>>10924980

>568 days since roadster launch
When is the next big event like this? I mean this was just putting ballast trash into space, but god damn if it wasn't exciting as fuck.

>>10924975
Well not so much the anime. The guy is avatar fagging

>>10925000

>>10924998
>backpeddling this blatantly
your redditor ass bitched about it after a single post
besides, better to have a thousand avatarfags than a single redditor
now fuck off back to your home

>>10925004

>>10925005
Uh I'm not the same guy you chuckle fuck. That guy is an idiot as well. Also
>defending avatar fags
>ever

>>10924980
>>10925005
>>10925011
I'm this guy calling him out on avatar fagging now go kill yourself you low iq mongrel

>>10925011
Don't reply to trolls.

nice, I wasn't even trying to troll anybody and the thread is in flames

>>10923842
If ULA was really in charge, we would see something like Vulcan & ACES instead of SLS. Not as groundbreaking as Starship, but still pretty advanced. SLS is what you get when corrupt politicians are in charge.

>>10925039
>not as groundbreaking as Starship, and with an unhealthy obsession with hydrogen

>>10924145
https://politics.theonion.com/nasa-announces-plan-to-launch-700-million-into-space-1819568441

Rest in peace, brave Hopper!

>>10925058
She did good.

Now's the time for special sls block buy contract to guarantee jobs and the american way to space.

>>10924992
starship mk1 is going to fly by the end of the year
can't get bigger than dis

>>10924951
>links to previous day's thread not good enough
>must repost every thread or gtfo!!!!!!!1!11!
kbro

>>10925101
Welcome to 4channel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsoS6C0uzGY
>YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>SPACEX YOU DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!

>>10924366
You start looking over your shoulder for Norwegian saboteurs

>>10924951
That webm makes me really stressed

>>10925186
At 1:17 something flies off and crashes into the ground on the right side of the video

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1166728381611876352

>First Dragon to complete three missions to and from the @space_station

Tim dodd is so fucking annoying to listen to

>>10925337
he's called estronaut for a reason

>>10925337
I like his enthusiasm but he is both midwit and fueled by unforeseen levels of sòylent

>>10925272

>>10925313
>COPV flying off

>>10925371
All the hopper COPVs are accounted for. It looks like it came off the ground support equipment, which got trashed by Hopper's liftoff.

>hopper literally hopped and broke his feet
eh

>>10925436
I just watched /ourguy/, he is saying something might be broken with the engine.

Any Anon have more Info on that

>>10925436
it managed to do the test and showed things that spaceX didn't account for. That's good in my book.

>>10925265
Is that a ww2 reference?

>>10925484
He can get your mom out of a collapsing subspace bubble

>>10925436
Seems like starhopper has had lots of problems. Did grasshopper have that many issues?

>>10925484
Mmmmmaybe
Then again, never relax around ski-monkeys

>>10925500
>Did grasshopper have that many issues?
>grasshopper
>many issues
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Count your lucky stars that Starhopper didn’t end up like Grasshopper!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OQR_JIhWJoE

>>10925513
Thanks. I didn't start keeping track of what SpaceX is doing until after their first Falcon Heavy launch. Hell, I didn't even know that they could land rockets reliably until that point either.

I would thrust this structure

What a time to be following spaceflight.

Feeling glad I lived long enough to see space get exciting again.

Will SS/SH reuse booster and upper stage before BO actually flies a rocket to orbit?
Asking for a.. boeing friend.

>>10925468
All pure speculation. Tiny flame near the engine could be normal as well as exhaust changing color as dirt gets sucked in.
I don‘t like that he‘s indulging speculation like this.

>>10925561
It's not for nothing. There's more debris here than spalled concrete.

>>10925550
BFR is planned to launch in late 2020.
New Glenn is planned to launch sometime in 2021.

However, Elon-time is a factor to consider, and that Blue Origin seems to be pretty reliable in their estimated time. So I think it could be either or, but in the end it doesn't matter as there will be two very capable reusable launchers that'll very swiftly change how spaceflight is done.

>>10925561
I don’t think it’s normal because the Raptor is obviously damaged in this pic, but I don’t think the damage is bad as he makes it out to be. If the damage was serious Raptor would have exploded and hopper would have dropped like a stone.

>>10925567
>"W-wait up you guys!"

>>10925572
MOST POWERFUL

>>10925572
The SLS would've been a great stopgap heavy rocket. Something that is outdated, but gets the job done much faster than waiting for new tech to come along. However, it has gotten so bloated and so delayed that it as nearly lost that potentially useful quality.

>>10925571
The faggot wants something to talk about and apparently the historical importance of ffsc powered flying water tank breaking all expectations and common sense norms that is also the earliest prototype for a soon to be operation rocket system that is promising to change the way spacefrlight is done forever somehow is not good enough topic for his onions infused brain.

>>10925587
>2B$/launch for FH tier launch vehicle
>stuck to 1 shot/year unless *budget*
MIGHT have been good idea after Challenger, but...

>>10925567
>>10925572
Most people in the know seem to believe New Glenn will be delayed to 2022, Blue are secretive but there’s only so much progress you can hide. Vulcan and Ariane 6 both look like their going to launch in 2021, in the sense that their both relatively evolutionary and straightforward launch vehicles and that there’s lots of hardware being disclosed.
SLS will also likely fly in 2021 because everything is coming together, albeit torturously slowly. Starship is completely different beast with incredibly rapid progress but a much more natural and fluid timeline. The speed of Starship’s development will be dominated by how many problems they run into and not artificial timelines or certification.

>>10925186
wait, was this test done with only one raptor engine?

>>10921896
And that's a good thing!

Mother Nature will not let you leave.
Forfeit all attempts at once.

>>10925605
Yup, now imagine 30 something going off.

>>10925596
The SLS still carries a larger payload than Falcon Heavy even if the Falcon is in full expendable mode. That level of payload size will still be useful. In addition, the Falcon Heavy is a long and skinny rocket which doesn't encurage alot of confidence with large payloads (like that image of EM-1 on the FH). The SLSs larger core diameter would make a more stable platform for larger payloads.

I'm not saying that the SLS would've been an amazing launcher, but it would've at least been useful had it launched earlier (like even if launched right after the first FH launch) simply because it offers abilities that no other rocket flying is offering. And I mean actual useful abilities, not just giving jobs to Alabama.

But that's the problem isn't it. The jobs. The poltical mess that's tied to SLS wants it delayed to farm more money out of it. And that is the biggest reason why the rocket is becoming useless. Not the hydrolox, not the expendabillity, and not the SRBs, but stupid greed.

>>10925613
it really is a monster.

>>10925612
No.

>>10925619
The payload difference is something like 5t to the moon. You may launch 2++ FH for every SLS. Probably close to 5.
There's no defending it. It's just garbage rocket and corporate welfare for crooks.

>>10922514


> MCR when?

>>10925513
that was just the FTS though
Steering lost control so a killswitch was activated

standard procedure

>>10923724

I'm 44 now.

When I was a kid, the Apollo missions were seen more or less as a kind of Quixotic adventure we went on back when people still loved their country and our enemies were still clearly defined. The Shuttle was amazing, but everyone sort of understood that it really wasn't very valuable. Again, just another grand adventure we undertook to thwart our enemy. Hubble sent back some pretty pictures and the ISS was interesting in it's own way. But Mars or even a return to the Moon just wasn't going to happen.

>>10925533
GET IN THE HOPPAH!

>>10925659

>>10923815

As a welder, those rusty, unprotected welds in a field of stainless gives me the goddamned heebie newbies. I know they'll probably brush and seal them, but fuck me that makes me shudder.

>>10925381
But it landed in another location.

>>10923815
>BFR takes off for the first time
>No one saw it because they were blinded by it's ultra reflective surface

>>10924928
based butthurt nigger
>kek at google for showing bikes

>>10925337
>>10925337

I'll give him credit in that he does an incredible job at explaining spaceflight in a manner that anyone can understand. And he did teach me some things I didn't previously know. But, yeah... dude's about 50% onions by weight at this point.

>>10925737
>if your only tool is methalox...everything starts to look like a rocket
kek
>or maybe it's an elaborate troll
why not both?

This shop from Jan 3 actually wasn't too far off.

>>10925737
>someone did nsf collage
Now that's amazing. I wish I had the patience to do something like that. One particular boeing guy is imprinted in my memory as incredibly hardcore biased unironic shill and a master of hopping goalposts.

>>10925737
That one will be saved for historical purposes. 10/10.

>>10925737
amazing. 10/10 material.

>>10925768
>>10925769
>>10925799
What’s so great about it, is that it’s an L2 edition, that means some of these guys are industry veterans.

speaking of which I don't know how I'm going to fit 527 entires into my /sci/ starship collage when it achieves orbit. Some of them are time-dependent and hopper-specific though; will have to trim it down. hum, I suppose I should have done a hopper collage with just the hopper ones

>>10925813
Oh jesus fuck the full stack is tall, that's insane

>>10925822
it's taller now. the 39a report indicated a ~7m stretch

Well ladies and gentlemen...WE HAVE A LEAKER!

On Snapchat of all places...

>>10925737
based, got any more?

>>10925850
>>10925537
where'd you get this? my usual suspects are coming up dry

>>10925813
Rockets sizes are a funny thing. Most people don't seem to realize how fucking huge these things are when shown images and are always surprised when a picture has a truck, a car, or something in close proximity for direct comparison.
I'm not even sure how to explain what gamechanger SH/Starship is going to be with its skyscraper tier height and payload volume comparable to small apartment building when most don't know the capsules we've been using for decades are suv trunk tier sized.

>>10925850
>mfw second time seeing this image and just realizing what it is

>>10925850
So does that kinda imply the lower skirt of Starship is just a working area for engine stuff, or is it going to fly with the engines tucked up like that?

>>10925851
>>10925853
I got this from plebbit, apparently there are loads more. I’ve asked for more but none have been posted so far.

>>10925872
it's on the concrete pedestal remember. the pedestal is pretty high by itself

>>10925872
They have to be tucked up or they'll be exposed to reentry.

>>10925857
Starship allows us to build a space station ten times the volume of the ISS with spin gravity for less than the cost of an SLS launch.

Did Elon ever mention how much Yusaku would pay them for reaching the milestone with Hopper?

>>10925872
It will have a skirt, but the scaffolding area below is just the concrete pedestal which the tank section is on top of.

>>10925875
there were some worker photo leaks from earlier with the white container areas. Other than those the operation has been surprisingly tight

>>10925879
No, milestones weren’t even known about until Chris B mentioned it on L2.

>>10925879
the milestone thing is a rumor to begin with

Starship wheel-stations are fucking fascinating me right now. Single digit launches would put enough sheer volume in space for things like orbital manufacturing to be cost effective. It might not even cost much more than a factory in a first world country, and you can literally dial gravity up or down to suit your task.

>>10925850
chinese already thinking of ways to copy this.

>>10925897
I don't even fucking care, if the ChiComs want to build Starships that gives Congress a reason to start buying them as fast as SpaceX can build them.

You know what the difference is between Starship and a naval vessel is? Off the shelf weapons systems. Things like Phalanx are already designed to be slapped on anything that can provide power and water. Congress could contract for 12 Starships, take possession of them, operate them, and slap missiles to them. Space Force now has a Space Force. We are on the precipice of a brave new world.

>>10925897
Until they copy raptor and in particular the avionics there's nothing to worry about.
Sure they can half ass it with shittier engines but no landing software - DOA.
The steel can, that's something that could be made in a third world country too.

>>10925886
>until Chris B mentioned it on L2.
interesting, could you copypaste his comment?

>>10925813
Didn't realise the current starhopper

Is that correct?

>>10925906
You probably only need 4 boosters for 12 Starships if you rotate them between orbital deployment, refueling, and ground based refitting / shore leave. So to build an actual honest to god motherfucking space navy capable of bringing missiles to the Moon, Mars, or anywhere else Communism may take root; you would need
>12 Starships (Independence, Constitution, America, President, Enterprise, Essex, Saratoga, Lexington, Rocinante, Challenger, Columbia, and Richard Shelby)
>4 Superheavy boosters
>4 tanker Starships
Upgrade Vandenberg and Cape Canaveral Airforce Station, put two boosters on each coast. Retrofit the Starships with pretty much off the shelf ESSM (remove the aero surfaces, rewrite the flight software), SPY-1 radar, and Phalanx point defense.

And it's still cheaper than SLS.

>>10925737
>if your only tool is methalox... everything starts to look like a rocket
:D

>>10925938
It's funny because he was right, but it was Elon that thinks everything is a rocket

>>10925817
Godspeed anon. My advice is to sort them and do just the hopper for now.

>>10925850
OwO What's This?

>>10925875
I remember some anon here who collected "SpaceX BTFO"-posts to make a similar pic, but cant remember if he ever finished it

>>10925934
>Richard Shelby

The shelby should be a tanker starship.
and it's only purpose to refuel a orbital fueldepot.

>>10925959
i remember that too, probably gave up.

>>10925969
USSF Space Station Shelby, the world's largest and most advanced orbital de-

Was that a smooth landing?

>>10926020
Their called crush cores for a reason you know?

Distance traveled under own power
SLS: 0 m
Water Tower: 150 m

>>10925934
>and it's still cheaper than SLS
Well that's a deal breaker then nobody in their right mind would support something like that!

>>10926059
Starship doesn't give jobs to poor Southern states. SLS does. Spaceflight has been governed by politics with a focus on stuff other than spaceflight. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it is a major driving force for all of NASAs decisions.

from the contractor, who apparently didn't have to sign an NDA

>>10926068
The fuck is that thing?

>>10925817
Stupidity must be immortalized, anon. Imagine if we had at least some of the spicy naysayer gems throughout major historical events. The wise sages opposing galileo for example and their attempts to "charm the planets out of the sky". History tends to filter out those things and that's not a good thing because repetition and all.

>>10926062
>>10926068
>>10926074
MOAR.
Yet it leaves that bad dragon vaporization video aftertaste.

>>10926068
That's quite massive piece of steel and has about 6 attachment points below.
Any guesses?

>>10926095
>>10926077

lifting jig?

>>10926100
Definitely good candidate.

>>10926069
I understand that argument but it's still objectively wrong because Starship is being built in Texas and Florida

Would it even be possible to have a cluster of Falcon 9 boosters bolted together and have it launch and land as one rocket?

I worry about FAA my friends...