/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10869741
This is literally what happens in humans, we are just more sophisticated about it. In particular, we rationalize it with "standards". One of those female gorillas could easily say, given enough intelligence, "I only fuck the alpha because that's my preference", and we couldn't question it. I'm sure a similar albeit more primitive reasoning goes inside their gorilla heads.

>Could this also explain why incels exist?
I mean, you can make a connection but this is not the reason incels exist. I say this is as a married near-incel (as in, you could change one action in my entire life and then in the resulting timeline I'd still be a virgin to this day), incels exist because society left them behind a long time ago.

Note that I am not saying that this is not justified, or that it is justified either. It is just a neutral observation. Just like we'd be leaving the disabled behind if we did not have special accommodations for them.

>>10869771
>incels exist because society left them behind a long time ago
lmao, absolute cope

>>10869785
It's not cope. Imagine if no accommodations were ever made for disabled individuals. If we just let them be, having to compete in society as if they were not disabled due to the lack of special treatment. I bet you top dollar we would be on our hundreth wheelchair shooter by now. Hell, if you go to incel websites you'll find that many of them are actually disabled.

>>10869789
incels are just entitled little bitches that rather complain than change themselves

>>10869806
But those are late-stage incel. That's the incel that has already swallowed the black-pill as they call it, and concluded from it that there is nothing they can do. But we must remember that every incel was once a baby. That baby was then a child. That child was then a teen. That teen was then an adult.

No baby is born with a black pill inside his throat.

>>10869808
are you serious?

>>10869810
I am serious. If you need me to spell it our more for you, you better belief that child, teen and adult tried to change itself many times. And yet they got nothing, probably because they were misguided (read Elliot Rodger's manifesto to see how misdirected and deranged these people get), but then that begs the question: Why are these people never guided? In other words, why did society leave these people behind?

>>10869812

Simple.

The normies' blue pilled platitudes are useless for actually navigating the world intelligently. So every time a sperg or future incel fails in applying it do to not having any of the underlying features that normies take for granted, they get shamed for not applying the blue pill knowledge correctly, thus creating a downward spiral the more they attempt to win society's rigged game by playing by society's "rules".

>>10869812
>teen and adult tried to change itself many times
I don't belive this at all, it is and will always be easier to complian

>Why are these people never guided? In other words, why did society leave these people behind?
this shit right here is what im talking about. It is always the society the one that is wrong instead of them assuming responsability for themselves.

Anyways this not science releted so I hope this thread gets deleted

>>10869828

Continued.

This becomes even more apparent as normie blue pill logic becomes further removed from reality due to asymmetric societal development.

More and more men start getting left behind and society only seeks to ask, "geezer, what's wrong with these undesirables? Why are these unlovable men considered hilariously unfuckable?"

And even non-incels are starting to notice the short end of the stick with how the majority of men get the privelage of fighting over 35 year old pussy, two baby daddies later, after its "found itself".

>>10869835
>I don't belive this at all, it is and will always be easier to complian

Then you've never met a teen at all then. Seriously, how many phases did you go through from 12-18? Don't be shy.

>this shit right here is what im talking about. It is always the society the one that is wrong instead of them assuming responsability for themselves.

I guess, but you could say this about cripples too. I think we can all agree that there are some people worth helping, if only for the cohesion of society. I do not want to get gunned down by wheelie-shooter #671, so why are we still letting people be gunned down by depressed-shooter #1179?

>>10869835

They did what society asked.

"Be yourself. Girls like nice guys. You'll find the right girl for you when you're not looking for one."

They played society's game not realizing it is rigged against them.

So after getting the entry level engineering job after doing STEM, and being nice and polite to girls, they start getting slapped with the realization that all that struggle means fuck-all when it comes to women and status.

>>10869840
>how many phases did you go through from 12-18? Don't be shy
3 or 4, what does that have to do with anything?

> guess, but you could say this about cripples too

how can you compare incels with cripples? Jesus christ, no wonder no woman wants to be around you with that mentallity

>>10869846

>how can you compare incels with cripples

Because brain disabilities are also debilitating and negatively affecting people's lives.

>>10869846
>3 or 4, what does that have to do with anything?
What, do you think the incels did not experience that? They tried changing many many times, just like you or me.

>how can you compare incels with cripples? Jesus christ, no wonder no woman wants to be around you with that mentallity

>Some people who identify as incel suffer from physical disabilities or psychological disorders such as depression, autism spectrum disorder, and body dysmorphic disorder.

Source: https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/05/we-must-try-understand-how-unwanted-virginity-leads-self-hating-incels-murder

>>10869842
there is a huge difference between being polite and nice and being a faggot pushover which is what most of this guys are

>>10869850

>be a certain way, but don't be TOO certain a way, or not enough of a certain way, and that certain way changes based on who is around you and the mental image of you people believe

Can you understand how useless normie logic is for helping young men navigate the world.

It's why PUA had to create shit like neurolinguistic programming. Not because there's verbal cheat codes to drop a women's panties, but because it created an actual executable plan for a shy, awkward man who has limited positive experience with women to approach a stranger and start a conversation without spilling their spaghetti.

And women freaked out and shut it down with #metoo because it worked.

>>10869771
>This is literally what happens in humans
This is literally onmly happening with gorillas, which is why they have the smallest cocks and the biggest muscles. All the other primates are more complex and have bigger dicks, then you get to humans, the most complex and least sexually dimorphic.

TLDR males are only huger than females where they dominate by strength. Gorillas are the most sexually dimorphic, you are ignorant and insecure.

>>10869849
>>Some people who identify as incel suffer from physical disabilities or psychological disorders such as depression, autism spectrum disorder, and body dysmorphic disorder.

So what? Tons of normies also suffer from all that stuff

>>10869842
Girls hate nice guys. Nice is a posture. They love good guys. 100 strong rich guys step forward, the good ones are superior, because we are social animals.

>>10869874
>So what? Tons of normies also suffer from all that stuff

Fair enough but then you are not given sufficient focus to those who fall through the cracks. Yes, everyone struggles. No, not everyone kills themselves. Does that mean we should ignore suicide?

Lift weights
Lose body fat
Educate yourself in something useful
Get a good job
Be around normies so you can at least know what to expect

At the very least you'll be able to find a woman within your social status.

>>10869874

And normies walk through life with blue pill blissful ignorance. And so long as their life is not too miserable they will die having never had to question the circumstances of their birth or life.

And they will perpetuate the normie logic because they too will have never had to think critically about anything.

Why sacrifice people to the sun god? Because it's what we've always done and it seems to have worked all right so far. Stop being a sperg and toss this person into the volcanoe.

>>10869880
They said girls like nice guys

>>10869875

But that's not what society and women tell guys.

So they do what they're told works, and when they start getting red pilled about women's true nature they then get shrieked at, "SEE! THEY AREN'T ACTUALLY REAL NICE GUYS."

>>10869850
But I was told girls like guys who are genuinely nice. Not the typical niceguy who does something and wants sex in exchange but someone who does something nice for no reason.
And it still didn't work.

>>10869884
So why do good girls like bad guys? I had this question for a real long time. I've been a bad boy and it's plain to see, so why do good girls fall in love with me?

>>10869884

PEOPLE like GOOD guys.

Good as in kind and benevolent. Nice is accommodating and deferential. Being kind and benevolent is amplified by having the power to be tyrannical and malicious. CHOOSING NOT TO BE IS WHAT MAKES SOMEONE GOOD. If you never had to power to be a shithead then who fucking cares.

>>10869741
>Is this the natural type of sexual relationship for humans? Could this also explain why incels exist?
You're looking at gorillas, when you have an equally poor reason to look at bonobos too (they're absolutely promiscuous). There's probably a whole bunch of animal groups you could look at like honey bees, wolf packs, elephants or whatnot.

>>10869865
>>10869882

I really feel sorry for you, it is clear that you have victim mentality.

Thinking some how being a virgin makes you special and a being super conscious and above "blue pilled" normies. Laughable

>>10869892
Everyone has the power to be a shit head. Society would collapse pretty fast if everyone acted on what they're capable of. I try to be kind and shit and it doesn't work.

>>10869891
I dunno but they tell us that girls like men who are good, kind and gentle and don't do bad things.

>>10869900

I can tell you have never had power or social status before. There is no other explanation for you not understanding what I meant by power if that is your response.

Lift weights.
Eat clean
Go for runs

>>10869889
>But I was told girls like guys who are genuinely nice
They actually do, at least the ones that are worth having a relationship with

>>10869899
Sometimes a stalemate is the best you can do.
Losing the game would be getting killed by society or whining about it like elliot rodger. Winning the game would be getting a gf. Denying normies the win and losing yourself as well is causing havok in society as a last fuck you to society like the violent incels.

A stalemate where you stay virgin and accept your status is the best you can do.

>>10869904
I've lived in a third world country and I've been comparatively wealthy. Probably the 0.01% of that country. However I hated that because I'm a good person.

>>10869885
>society and women tell guys
nope, you don't get to blame anyone.

even little kids value good people over nice people. it's not complicated or controversial.

>>10869891
sometimes guys go for a woman that is totally not for them, or bad for them, for reasons. maybe they need to grow, maybe they need to suffer with an idiot, or a bitch, or a liar to grow as a person, maybe they are attracted to someone it won't hurt to just leave. People are complex, relationships aren't.

>>10869905
Yeah they do because even a broken clock is right twice a day. Hehe

>>10869913
You can grow up a little by knowing that there's luck involved in your fortune, as well as tragedy for people better than you who didn't get anywhere. You deserve your good life, but you dignify it by doing good for others.

>>10869914
No such thing as a good person. Everyone is being nice for some reason. Atheist normies do it to feel good inside and to get called a good person by society.

>>10869889

Ready for the redpill?

Women like guys who provide a stable protected nest, provisions and healthy genes. Period. Fullstop. End thread.

Men and women are different. Women are evolved to nest and need a man to protect them. Not want. NEED.

never say this in meatspace. They will destroy you if you do.

>>10869922
>No such thing as a good person
You need to go outside. When a group of people are under pressure the good people shine so obviously, so brightly that all the wicked (not evil but no real goodness either) and the evil are disgraced.

You have to live healthy in a comfy suburb to truly believe there's no good people, maybe the demoralizing media has made you vicious. Seeing people help each other out will probably really upset you one day and make you disgusted with this attitude. That's how we grow.

>>10869924
>never say this in meatspace
you can't say it in meatspace because it's not true and meatspace forces you to live what you say.

Women value men, while men adore women. Once you get your head around that, it's all easy.

>>10869899

I didn't start out a stripper smasher. I started out as a shy guy who got tired about my lot in life and started playing society's rigged game to win, by any means necessary.

After that did I realize there was a growing section of society that did this as well and we started teaching other men how everything women, their parents, and other aspects of blue pill normie society was wrong.

When I see Elliot Roger's, I see one of the guys I've given pop-culture assertitiveness training to who did not get the help he desperately needed to get through red pill rage and the valley of suicide.

I come at this not as a whiner. But as a winner who had to unlearn societal programming to actually become someone I respected.

And normies would tell the guys who don't like themselves to "be who they are." And wonder why males make up 3/4 of all suicides.

Pro-tip for all the lurking incels: Take the Freudpill: essentially every girl is either trying to rebel against her Dad for attention, or just plain ol' trying to fuck their Dad. The situation is similar with boys: they want to bang their moms however they're afraid of their fathers----more specifically the father image.

The process of maturation from child to adult for young men is one of overcoming their fear of the father, and ultimately becoming a Dad themselves.

Alpha and beta are unscientific misnomers. The behavior of what are termed alphas and betas are in actual fact the behavior of a child and a man, respectively.

Of course, everything depends on the specific reality of a girl's relationship with her father, but there are basic patterns to follow.

Basically, become the father: appear distant and uninterested without totally ignoring loved ones; spend more a large part of your time working to provide; cultivate a hobby with which you occupy yourself in your free-time; learn dad-jokes; act confidently towards situations and others, even if you don't know shit (like goofy dad on a family vacation who knows a short-cut).

Women don't want a man-child to take care of, essentially. Since they have the vagina, the only option for you is to become Dad and take care of them.

What I've said isn't the be-all end-all, but frankly in my experience it governs maybe 60% of interactions and lives. I'm gonna get shit for writing this, but honestly there's a reason why Evangelion is so popular: it resonates with many.

>>10869924
That's wrong though.
A niceguy with a job is obviously a better care taker than a junkie criminal. But women pick the latter

>>10869914

>if you're a nice guy, you're not really a nice guy, but if you're TOO nice a guy, that's your fault too and fuck you if you want more help than that

WhY aRe MeN hAvInG dIFfIcUlTy InTeRaCtInG wItH wOmEn?

>>10869958
>everybody else is being shit so it's okay be a little bit shit too
>actually be turbo shitbag
>pretend that means i'm independent of 'society's rules'
morally bankrupt sociopaths are more common than you think

Eliot Rodger was off his meds and, from his 'manifesto' it seems he was so closeted in his homosexuality he didn't have much hope of ever understanding it. He lived on the internet and the day before he flipped out he was called out by a playa on Youtube for having creepy, stiff, morbid body language. That was the final straw. He was no example of or for anything.

>>10869905

>you just gotta find the right one, bro

Kill yourself.

This is the shit that gets guys hanging themselves after two divorces.

>>10869964
>women pick the latter
that's nonsense

>>10869960
5 star post, that picture is me at 17, i feel horror and pity for men starting this shit at 30. Lotsa luck out there boys.

>>10869972

>all the guys being "shit" are doing the things I want to do, maybe if I just keep doing what I've always done hard enough my lot in life will change

Again. Elliot Roger was a creepy sperg, no doubt, but it was the lack of a proper male role model to help him curb that that made him a killer when he started bumping up against reality.

>>10869966
Be yourself. If you're not good, don't fake it. Being good is better, being yourself is essential.

It's your life.

>>10869989
I can't comment on his male role models. Schizos do better in families where they are neglected a bit. Negative voices from within stress em hard enough already.

>>10869979
All the guys who got women in high school were drunk people who are on the criminal register for possession of weed.

Meanwhile us straight edge people who were told that drugs are bad, never got any ladies. Granted we didn't look for the either because we were told girls like good men who follow societies rules and don't destroy this SOCIETY

>>10869991

Or.

Or.

I could change myself to be better, be that unapologetically, and have a spine when negotiating for what I feel is my share.

But no. Just keep wallowing in your filth peasant. Maybe if you're nice enough, but not too much, you might lower your standards enough to accept your life so you don't hang yourself...no promises though.

>>10869997

You'd be AMAZED how well having 1 gram of coke will get you with any 10/10.

If I had 15 seconds to make any autistic cripple a lady killer regardless of all other factors, that would be it.

>>10869995

I don't think he was schizo.

Depressed, high functioning autistic, sure. And that didn't bode well when his shy demeanor turned toxic.

>>10869997
>Meanwhile us straight edge people who were told that drugs are bad, never got any ladies
Really? I've found that a lot of those str8edge people think they are somehow great for not doing drugs. That makes you smell, socially.
>high school
lol who cares? Guys who peak in high school are the most nameless cunts you can imagine
>>10870004
whoa that projection, i'll be fifty in january, married 15 years, 4 kids. Virgin until just before 22nd birthday, just didn't need to shoot anybody or even blame anyone over it. Work for myself, life is good. Careful with the 'running down people's lives' bro, it makes you look bitter and small.

>>10870015
Yeah i don't know about his mental health, but the way he talked with a stone face about killing, laughed by saying "hm hm hmmmm' and the way his whole head, neck and shoulders moved as one piece, made him look like someone locked in a defensive crouch. I think by the time he was throwing coffee on strangers who looked happy he was already stewed in narcissism.

>>10870010
>any 10/10.
mate if your idea of 10/10 is a hot looking slut who fucks for coke, you're going to take some years to work out a better definition of 10/10.

My friend is a fashion photographer, he would invite me to his parties to be that unattached, interesting troublemaker. Once he pointed out this smoking hot lingerie model walking around with her man "See her? Look at her expression, not her face, her expression. She's been with that guy three months and she knows he's already tired of fucking her."

Guy knew people. Super hot looking chicks can be total planks in the sack, they've never had to perform. 5 to 8/10 is where all the life and action happens.

>>10870025
>>10870015
>>10869995

Daily reminder that Elliot Rodger's problem was that he genuinely believed that it was women who approached men for sex and relationships. It's all in his manifesto. No one ever even told him how our species-wide mating dance is supposed to go. No wonder he went crazy. He states it clearly: Every time he saw a woman with another man, it was not (in his mind) a man who had obtained the woman, it was the woman who was actively rejecting him by choosing to go with another man in front of him, instead of going with him.

Imagine for a moment that you have perfect mental health, but that you also hold this belief. Tell me how long you think your sanity would last? Elliot broke.

>>10870021

>50 in January

Any advice you could provide is useless to anyone.

No joke old man. You are the definition of the unexamined lifestyle that is killing the current generation dealing with female hypergamy running unchecked in the post recession social media age.

I couldn't think of a less apt person to give men trying to overcome their lot in life advice. Thank god you bred, without fucks like you having kids I'd have to go get a real job.

Go take care of your kids and pray they too will be blissfully ignorant fools who will never be forced to think critically.

Because I'll always be there to charge them a fee to give them the advice you couldn't.

>>10870035

>I don't like 10/10
>5-8/10 is where the REAL fucking is at

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

And I'm not saying it's good advice. But if I had to provide a 100% fool proof way to get Elliot Roger balls deep in 10/10. An 8 ball would be the way to go.

>>10870037
Some men are passive, and want to be found. Some men are so passive, even in bed, that the average girl thinks he's not into them. The fact there's no rules is terrifying. He definitely was mixed up but shooting a bunch of people isn't a logical extension of that.

>>10870043
You sound just miserable, but you doubled down on the running me down so maybe you're just going to have to get tired of that before you learn anything.

For now, blaming others and criticising them at the same time on the internet will have to do.

>>10870045
He thought his whole life would be made good by having sex. You also seem to think getting him a fuck partner would fix anything.

That's what let him blame women for everything wrong in the whole world ever and why he could devise plans for breeding centers where women would be removed from the world and reduced to baby carriers. Does that sound any gayer than De Sade's forts of genderless humanity ass fucking all day?

>>10870050
>He definitely was mixed up but shooting a bunch of people isn't a logical extension of that.

Again, from Elliot perspective he had been rejected by tens of thousands of women. Every woman who crossed him on the street but didn’t get on her knees effectively rejected him. Now, how many times have you been rejected. I have been 2 times, each time it hurt like hell and my mental state deteriorated (lightly) for the following hours. I can imagine a world where I feel this pain every moment. Not only that, but I feel it multiplied by the number of women present in the room. Oh man I would break. I would break so hard.

I respect Elliot for lasting that long, I would have the record of youngest school shooter.

>>10869741
No. Women fuck who ever they want. Ususally it's dominant males though. However dominant humans often don't care to raise kids, and if they do stick around they are less sensitive. Thus women they seek a beta male who is more nurturing after they procreate with the alpha.

>>10869958

Optimum af

>>10870062
You respect a guy for not shooting up people who did nothing to him? He got beat up at a party and blamed that for his snapping. From watching and listening to him he probably invited exactly that treatment.

>science and maths turns into r/incel

this all proves that humans aren't gorillas or even like them. Gorillas behave more like horses, with harems guarded by violence. There's no corresponding behaviour in gorillas for a fail male to kill a bunch of the group because he has no role in the group if he isn't the dominant male. Only in more complex setups could a critter like Rodger occur, because failures and the ill stay inside the group to contribute however they can.

Anyone advocating for destruction of the weak and all that gay metal shit is basically one of the sick or weak, squeaking in comfort.

>>10870080
>You respect a guy for not shooting up people who did nothing to him?

I respect him because if I had his twisted mental state, I would have lasted way less. Consider it the special Olympics for mass shooters.

>>10870066
>dominant humans often don't care to raise kids
citation required

>implying a father, protector and provider is inferior
lol ok

>>10870079
samefag

>>10870085
>that moment you realize millions of people deal better with more hurt and with less material comfort or access to anything

>>10870092
Millions of people also spontaneously combusted into the nazi party because the jews hurt their fee fees with their money. Well, granted, germans aren't humans. But close enough.

>>10870050

>you sound miserable

Who's projecting now?

Is that all you got? A bluepilled normie thinks someone else is unhappy? You don't care. Just as you don't care about any of the men who flounder trying to navigate a society perfectly willing to piss in their ears and tell them it's raining. Then tell them it's wrong for them to not want to get wet.

Hopefully like your children will learn, fuck your fake pity, I don't need anything from you or your kind.

>>10870058

It would at least pull back the mystique that it's not all that it is cracked up to be instead of being the literal greener grass on the other side that drove him to kill.

It's not the end all. But it would be a major early step.

>>10870037

His belief is not that uncommon among love shy men.

They think these women could have any man they wanted (true for the most part), if they asked (also true for the most part), therefore if they don't ask they don't like me (dead fucking wrong.)

>>10869741
>Could this also explain why incels exist?
Likely.
With familiar/religious obligations breaking down and no longer being a force for monogamy... It would be ridiculous to believe humans don't have at least a little primate tendencies in us.

>>10870101
>Hopefully like your children will learn, fuck your fake pity, I don't need anything from you or your kind.
histrionics. You write like you think you're in a movie.

>>10870101
>>10870123
also you write like someone who doesn't know how to correctly use a comma

>>10870109
>His belief is not that uncommon among love shy men.

Yeah, I too had this belief until I was like 16. I was too shy to actually confess to any woman, so I instead wanted to become "attractive" to women in hopes that they would advance on me. I developed a cute personality, could talk for hours, even developed very girly hobbies that make it so that I have something in common with any woman, etc.

At about 16 was when my second neuron realized that I had been trying the same strategy for 5 years and yet was sexless, so I had to change.

>>10870123

And you write like someone who has never had a unique thought in their life.

>>10870130

All the propositions are true, yet the conclusion is demonstrably not true. Hence why it's a super common track for young men to get trapped in.

>>10870135
>Hence why it's a super common track for young men to get trapped in.

Yes, but probably only with a dash of 'tism because in retrospect I cannot possibly imagine how I could have been so retarded. But there it is, in my memories.

>>10870092

Lotta homeless men, retreating into loneliness, or outright killing themselves.

Good thing they only take it out on themselves. Wouldn't want society to have to face or deal with the negative side effects of social change no one is willing to acknowledge, much less help them with.

>>10870101
>A bluepilled normie thinks someone else is unhappy? You don't care.
Wow you just keep digging.
Old people can't tell you about being young today, but they've seen more of what never changes.
>you just don't care
yeesh
>I don't need anything from you or your kind.
You sound like you know everything. 'my kind' indeed, lol
>>10870130
shyness is an expression of vanity, we all have to get over that fear that people won't find out we're as awesome as we think we are. Nearly everyone gets over it. You adopted postures and strategies, sounds like you learned to be yourself instead.
>>10870131
>unique
wew lad, you're as special as this cold world lets you be, no more than that. The 'wake up sheeple' bit ages like milk.

>>10870140

No one took you aside and told you the facts of life. You were smart enough to realize some facts but not experienced enough to effectively utilize them.

Imagine that, but every time you talked about changing people told you to just be yourself and if you were just nice enough ANY woman would LOVE to have you as a bf.

>>10870143
Statistics are helpful.
>For males: The highest age-specific suicide rate in 2017 was observed in the 85+ age group (32.8 per 100,000). This rate was higher than the age-specific suicide rate observed in all other age groups, with the next highest age-specific suicide rates being in the 45-49, 40-44 and 30-34 year age groups (32.1, 30.5 and 26.5 per 100,000 respectively). Those of younger age was associated with the lowest age-specific rates (0-14 year age group: 0.7 per 100,000; 15-19 year age group: 13.9 per 100,000).

triple the female suicide rate per 100k

>>10870145

>maybe if I expound enough blue pill the man who made a 5 million dollar nest egg at 23 helping young men not be spergy incels from terrible parenting will think I have something to say worth listening to.

>>10870131
>begins his only sentence with ``And''
please, it's too easy

>>10870147
Shit advice is still no excuse for a shooting spree

>>10870145
>You adopted postures and strategies, sounds like you learned to be yourself instead.
More like now I cannot distinguish between my actual personality and my strategies. I seriously sometimes struggle about this.

>Imagine that, but every time you talked about changing people told you to just be yourself and if you were just nice enough ANY woman would LOVE to have you as a bf.

Yeah, that would suck. Glad I grew just before this was as prevalent as it is today, and that I never fell for the hugbox. The closest I was to that was early /r9k/ that was more like a competition of who would shoot up their school first.

>>10870152
>it's all about money, why do i sound so hateful?

>>10870157
>now I cannot distinguish between my actual personality and my strategies
A strong sense of self comes from self-esteem derived from achievement and recognition from others. Basically get stuff done and hold on to people who point at you and say "Nice one, bro." Life can take possessions, status, health but it can't take good things you did in the past. That shit is locked in and keeps forever.

Time to remove this thread from the watcher. You guys haven't even been a member of r9k you have no idea what you're talking about now.
Just be yourself is the advice right now lmao

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink
High security society, start self-control natality, making few women had children with top males.

>>10870171
>>>>india

>>10870171
>my school shooter echo chamber gets no play here
don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out

It's true that 'be yourself' is useless for people with a weak sense of self, that's where narcissism steps in to let you want to feed off everyone you meet. Look at this cunts posts in this thread. No insight, a lot of blaming drivel.

>>10870160

I feel you don't get taken seriously outside of 4chan too.

Want to talk about it? My rate is $100/hour. Maybe I can help you be the person you want to be. Don't your kids deserve that? A dad that can help them when they ask hard questions?

>>10870189
Great larp
>too
ho ho

>>10869789
>being an incel is equivalent to having a disability
On the bright side by definition you're unable to spread your shitty genes to the next generation.

>>10870184

Be yourself is useless to 100% of people.

Not everyone is unfortunate enough to have to face that fact. Thank christ. The incel shooters would blot out the sun.

>>10870197
Given that we are literally biological machines whose purpose is to reproduce, being literally unable to reach this point should just be considered a disability by definition. It's just a question of which specific disability it is. I mean, would you consider a toaster that can't toast to not be disabled?

>>10870196

I'll always be here for your kids.

Someone has to.

>>10870203
>being literally unable to reach this point should just be considered a disability by definition.
You're considered a failure. The person who finishes last in the race doesn't get moved to the top of the podium because he fucking sucks at what he does.
If you really are claiming its a disability, then it's just another argument for eugenics, and all mentaly enfeebled individuals should be sterilized.

>>10870204
Okay, we get it, nothing but 'i'm better than you' bile from you. You haven't said anything in this thread that makes you sound like you know anything, damn, you could be an r/incel bot.

>>10870199
>Be yourself is useless to 100% of people.
oh really? why?

>>10870209
>all mentaly enfeebled individuals should be sterilized
extremes are where you go when you run out of ideas. If extremes are your first thought, you never had any ideas.

The disabled get a soft place to fall. Go spend some time with different types of disabled people, you'll see how they don't have it any better than anyone.

>>10870209

Or we stop creating a rut that otherwise healthy men roll their ankle on and call them misogynistic incels when they mention it?

Just a thought. Maybe we help young men self actualize their best self and give them the social tools to present that in a confident manner and not get bogged down by rejection?

No, no. That's hard. Best to just tell them to be themselves and just gotta find the right one, like we've been doing for the past 30 years despite all the evidence and the negative repercussions.

>>10870216

>except a man who got paid to unfuck bad parenting causing inceldom to do it for free
>expouses blue pill "logic" despite all evidence both in studies AND in macro level societal issues

$100/hour.

Be yourself is the worst advice to a person unhappy with their station in life. No need to change. You just need to keep being the same love shy guy and one day a woman will turn around and realize she's the one for you. If you're approaching women and not achieving success you want, no need to think about why, or what you could do to increase your odds, just keep getting kicked in the dirt emotionally. It's not like that has a habit of toxifying your attitude towards women especially once you start looking into red pill.

It's unexamined normie advice for people living unexamined normie lives.

If you aren’t fulfilled being alone, you aren’t of any value to a woman because they derive their own value from you. If you derive your value from a woman it’s like eating their own excrement for them.

Seriously, legitimately, stop giving a fuck about women and focus on self improvement. Be completely selfish in that way. That will attract women to you and the first thing they are going to do is try to derail your self improvement and get you to focus on them. Don’t do that, they’ll bail on you if you do. I feel like coed education has deleted this information from the unwritten curriculum of life.

>>10870235

My nigga.

>>10870232

Cont.

And the best part. If that person does manage to attract a woman, they will be completely oblivious to why and be unable to get out of the rut as easily if the relationship fails. (Suicide goes up 80% after divorce.) And they won't be able to help their kids when THEY start having the same problems.

>>10870232
>You just need to keep being the same love shy guy and one day a woman will turn around and realize she's the one for you
This 'press button-receive bacon' mentality reveals your larp. The use of a straw man reveals a schoolboy's command of language and life. Nobody said that, in fact 'be yourself' and 'stay the same' aren't related at all.

But hey you're the multi-millionaire, so your opinions totally have some weight. Just kidding, your opinions are just that and they are as toxic and empty as any criticism of 'normies' or sheeple or whatever you use to validate yourself. I get why you can't hang up and leave the thread though, you're getting easy endorphins from signalling certainty.

Confirming any thread that starts with 'dominant gorillas' will turn into /r9k/ horseshit at the speed of light.

>>10870232
>normies
>bluepill
>redpill
Not the guy you're bickering with but if I heard you talking to young people using terms like that I'd punch you in the face.

>>10869741
what the fuck is this doing in a science board?

what the fuck do gorilla sexual habits have to do with humans? there's a lot of other apes and they all have different sexual habits.

>>10870293
Not the guy to whom you're writing but if I saw you punch a man in the face for using terms like bluepill I'd 360° dropkick you in the vagina you fucking dip.

>>10870273

What is a young man to do when he hears "just be yourself?"

He's a guy who studies hard and gets his work done. Who enjoys playing video games and drinking with his group of friends every once in a while. And he is slightly intimidated with asserting his attraction with women he's unfamiliar with, and when he does he treads lightly as not to make her think that he's not a nice guy.

What does "just be yourself" help him fix in that situation? Because at BEST all he has is sporadic success, despite people telling him he's a great guy and he just needs to find the right girl eventually.

What's your advice to your son when he asks you how he can get his female friend to actually go out with him after she says, "I'd hate if we broke up then I lose you as a friend too."

I know how much my advice is worth. What is your wisdom, oh great one who has never been asked for his arms nor his council his entire unexamined life?

>>10869741
Monogamy worked for Europeans before media controlled the western ethos. Evolutionarily incels would naturally be most numerous today but the sudden incline of virginity can only be considered a product of technology and conditioning.

>>10870293

Thank christ you can be tough on the internet.

And thank christ I could sell my business to a 45 year old divorcee 9 years ago at the height of PUA between "A rape on campus" and #metoo.

>>10870323

Not true.

Female participation in university and work force has made them pickier (the local boy working in the coal mining town we both grew up can't compete.)

On top of greater physical mobility (not being stuck within 40 miles of where you were born) makes chasing the top males feasible. And the second generation of the pill and feminism has removed any social stigma of doing so.

And so we end up with incel young, low status men, especially after a deep worldwide recession that devastated male graduates (and lifetime earnings) and excessive college debt with low wage jobs. And then a group of childless spinster asking where all the good men are now that they're 45 and ready to settle down.

We have inadvertently reestablished the older, wealthier male and the young women dynamic minus a dowry.

>>10870319
>What does "just be yourself" help him fix in that situation?

Having undue consideration for other people’s feelings (women) is not being yourself, that’s being who you think they want you to be.

>>10870346

But he's a nice guy.

And being considerate of her is what nice guys do.

And women say they like nice guys. And if he were to do anything else then, "I guess he wasn't actually a nice guy after all."

And if he just needs to be himself, what's wrong with that?

Again. What does he change? How does he change it? And where does he get that from "just be yourself."

>>10870335
>Female participation in university and work force
Caused by media conditioning.

>greater physical mobility
Good point.

>And the second generation of the pill and feminism has removed any social stigma of doing so.
Via mass communication, i.e. media.

>especially after a deep worldwide recession that devastated male graduates (and lifetime earnings)
VERY good point. Economics is so overlooked on this subject.

>And then a group of childless spinster asking where all the good men are now that they're 45 and ready to settle down.
The good news is that this is unsustainable as downward pressure from women age 30+ will create a crisis among females as the novelty of technology and easy transportation where off. It will be feminism in reverse as millions become desperate for a male frame to fall against. It's going to take some time to reach incels, but for men of descent quality there's already benefits from the growing pile of aging women desperate for comfort.

As far as finding a wife this condition is prime pickings for bachelors. I'm early 20s so will enjoy myself but when it comes to marriage you can go young or you can aim high. The golden institution of monogamy is the big payoff so most of us will make it despite the brutality of inceldom. Sad but what can you do.

>>10870351
You can’t be yourself without you and there is no “you” when it’s all about her.

>>10870335
>Female participation in university and work force
Caused by media conditioning.

>greater physical mobility
Good point.

>And the second generation of the pill and feminism has removed any social stigma of doing so.
Via mass communication, i.e. media.

>especially after a deep worldwide recession that devastated male graduates (and lifetime earnings)
VERY good point. Economics is so overlooked on this subject.

>And then a group of childless spinster asking where all the good men are now that they're 45 and ready to settle down.
The good news is that this is unsustainable as downward pressure from women age 30+ will create a crisis among females as the novelty of technology and easy transportation where off. It will be feminism in reverse as millions become desperate for a male frame to fall against. It's going to take some time to reach incels, but for men of descent quality there's already benefits from the growing pile of aging women desperate for comfort.

As far as finding a wife this condition is prime pickings for bachelors. I'm early 20s so will enjoy myself but when it comes to marriage you can go young or aim high. The golden institution of monogamy is the big payoff so most of us will make it despite the brutality of inceldom. Sad but what can you do.

>>10870359

Great. So he plays his vista and drinks with his bros. Then he has to approach a cute girl in the line at starbucks.

What does he change. How does he change it. And where does "be yourself" fit in that equation.

>>10870361

Female education and work participation wouldn't be an issue if women didn't have hypergamy and preferred men who were higher than herself socioeconomically. That is higher social status AND earnings.

And then had an education system designed to prefer female learning causing more males to drop out and not attend college (of which higher education plays into social status, and sometimes wealth, especially with the push for more female VPs/CEOs/etc.)

So we end up with the majority of women chasing a small subsection of males before even getting into physical traits or personality.

And all women may not be able to get a 10 for life, but they'll be more than happy to give them one for a night.

This is peak hypergamy unrestrained by physical or social impediments.

y'all cuckin?

>>10870377
>if women didn't have hypergamy
You kid.

>And then had an education system designed to prefer female learning causing more males to drop out and not attend college
Yeah but this system is shit. Superior industry will win soon. Digital education with tutoring and proctored examination is ideal and inevitable. Female teachers projecting their fantasies along with their lesson plan is unfeasible. I've personally experienced the very worst of this first hand on multiple occasions and it was terrible for all.

> (of which higher education plays into social status, and sometimes wealth, especially with the push for more female VPs/CEOs/etc.)
For sure. Accreditation prestige functions pretty well actually. As such children are better off preparing for the SAT, being with friends and learning online. Get boys what they need and they'll take care of themselves without female authority bludgeoning them arbitrarily.

>So we end up with the majority of women chasing a small subsection of males before even getting into physical traits or personality.
Right, but the problem of aging for them creates this insane circumstance at the end of which they find themselves desperate for a decent man who is fairly inferior by their standards. In the end men take home the prize as they slope toward us non-10s.

>This is peak hypergamy unrestrained by physical or social impediments.
Exactly.

>>10870368
>Then he has to
>has to

There you go with that bullshit again.

>>10870397

Didn't we already cover what happens when guys think they need to get a woman to approach them?

And how that attitude is a common problem with love shy men who dig themselves a hole to climb out of in developing fulfilling relationships?

>>10870394
Women won’t date below their own education line, it’s a bigger factor than money. The fact that the split is more than 60/40 now has resulted in a shortage in the upper and middle class dating pools. There are several female written articles on this.

>>10870402
And that need is not being yourself, that’s seeking validation and happiness from someone else.

>>10870394

But what do we do with the generation of men NOW.

We have a bunch of used up old bags and young guys who did what society told them to do. And neither wants to settle for the other nor due they believe they should.

Especially since the programs that could help these young men get what THEY want are seen as rape apologist and manipulative and women are clamping down with #metoo and catcall laws?

Shit is a nightmare out there, especially for young, poor, low status guys that the world churns out. And gramps out here thinks his folksy wisdom of "be yourself" can help them navigate that.

>>10870405

Great.

Cute girl is now walking out of Starbucks and homeboy is left with nothing but his thoughts.

What do you do to help this man?

>>10870409
>and homeboy is left with nothing but his thoughts.

And all is right and just with him

>>10869960
That's close to the opposite of what the show is about. Your opinion on life is shit too.

>>10869741
Hahahaha, no. Soon as the alpha isn't looking they mate with his wimenz

>>10870413

And men remain lonely and lost in a world that refuses to help them and shames them for their failure.

I'm sure he's super happy just being himself though.

>>10870403
Right, there's static lines of class which are impenetrable from above. However, the upper middle class is fairly exclusive so you're either in or not which doesn't matter much for Americans and Brits. Idk how things are elsewhere in this regard.

At the end of the day monogamy is supreme and polygamy is generally illegal. Polyamory is pretty sick as evinced by the Dayton shooter. Girls thirsting for big penises and abs only matter for 20-somethings and teens. Once you're a bachelor you're golden especially as the situation stews.

>>10870408
>But what do we do with the generation of men NOW.
Have sex. lol idk

>used up old bags
Sure at the bottom of the barrel. It's all relative to the time.

>young guys who did what society told them to do
Nice guys are suckers. Women say be nice because they want to control men. Being a man is about thrusting your dick in their face like King Kavanaugh.

jk Women just want a good mood and consistent satisfaction. Tucker Carlson stated it perfectly, "they're like dogs." Very easy to understand after you learn to ignore their bs. Being stalwart and literally not moving in their presence is more than enough to make them wet provided the right pretense.

>neither wants to settle for the other nor due they believe they should.
Monogamy is the law of the land and reproducing is life's fundamental imperative. Finding women is like picking fruit.

>#metoo and catcall laws
Female nonsense should be ignored. Keep them out of your head.

>Shit is a nightmare out there
True.

>And gramps out here thinks his folksy wisdom of "be yourself" can help them navigate that.
That's why you have to be right wing.

>>10870416

Still leaps and bounds better than "just be yourself."

>>10869983
Don't try to feel better at the expense of others, its just pointless. Most people get that at 17, being consistent with your behaviour and capable of explaining it on your own terms that matters.

>>10870416
the what?

>>10869891
>good girls
*daddy issues girls

>>10870421

So we let hypergamy burn itself out while letting frustrated young men at their most intense and lowest status internalize society's great lies?

And hope that when the system crashes it somehow settles out?

>>10870435

All girls are daddy issues girls.

Even girls with an emotionally supportive daddy.

>>10870421
I’m talking about the upper AND middle class of which males are dropping out of by not being the dominant beneficiary of the educational system.

The guy whining in this thread kind of has a point. Boys are being taught about women, and life in general, by other women, near other women, and in an environment that is better suited to female learning.

>>10869806
Pretty much. You can find decent women if you put in the effort to make yourself a suitable mate for her. That means proper hygiene, good career prospects, reasonably fit body, good attitude and good money management skills along with being able to properly take care of yourself. Most women can deal with a few minor harmless quirks if you have most or all of these, which aren’t hard to cultivate through self-discipline and a bit of luck. Incels just want to act like women and not do anything to become better men though

>>10870437
>frustrated young men at their most intense and lowest status internalize society's great lies
I did it but now I'm on lithium so I'll be perfectly normal like I was before. Just go for looks match and take things as they are. Once you're a bachelor there's easy pickings for creating a family. Things are actually pretty good compared to the natural world of unfeeling soil and plants.

>And hope that when the system crashes it somehow settles out?
Everything returns to equilibrium eventually in this world. Humans are animals that can be understood as objects using a little reason and some numbers to get a gauge of people generally.

Evolutionary psychology and game on the level is pointless. A few good heuristics from looking into this deeply gives a crystal concept as to what humans really are and how they function sexually. From there it's just figuring out what you want and pursuing relentlessly which is the sexiest thing for women other than a hot guy.

>>10870444
Checked

>I’m talking about the upper AND middle class
Fuck the upper class. Life is easy for a trustfund loser.

>which males are dropping out of by not being the dominant beneficiary of the educational system.
I already said this education system is over. It's so fucking dead. I'm not an incel but I've lived at the lowest tier among dregs at several different schools across age. It's complete shit while digital learning has nearly surpassed it TODAY. Give it a few years and the better people will get what's theres as is the case now with the sexual marketplace. Things are settling into place nicely.

>Boys are being taught about women, and life in general, by other women, near other women, and in an environment that is better suited to female learning.
I completely agree. It's fucking evil and I'm one to know.

>>10869741
Why gorillas and not any other species? Even between primates there are marked differences in social and sexual behavior. It's like you wanted to frame the conversation a certain way so you could have an /r9k/ thread on /sci/.

>>10869741
stop reminding me pls

>>10870444

Make no mistake. This is not a whine. I was fortunate enough to make fuck you money in a flash in the pan industry that has allowed me to side step the majority of these systematic issues that are making both men and women miserable.

My concern is the young men who don't have that opportunity and how the best anyone has for them as advice is to "be yourself."

>>10870451

Or they should just "be themselves."

All this is good advice, but we are living with this world right now. The impetus is already there to achieve, the spoils are there if you can, but there are a plethora of systematic issues that are negatively impacting men and we are doing them no favors by pretending those things don't exist and shaming them when they run headlong into them.

>>10870086
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24171-men-with-smaller-testicles-make-better-dads/

He is inferior because his test levels drop

>>10870455

>things are settling into place nicely

Sub-replacement birthrates, people who will die at their desk due to savings issues only backing up the socioeconomic ladder, 45 year olds dying of xanax and opiate overdose to get eaten by their cats, and an unprecedented generation of men who anticipate dying virgins.

I'm not seeing it.

>>10870479
>an unprecedented generation of men who anticipate dying virgins.
the projection is real

>>10870483
I'm not him, but literally fact

>>10870467
>My concern is the young men who don't have that opportunity
As a young man without money, thank you. It means something and we're all better for it.

>the best anyone has for them as advice is to "be yourself."
Yeah, thank women for that. What they say is generally the inverse of what they mean. "Be what I want you to be," which is someone that will make them feel good. Figuring that out took me time. In high school I had massive frustration and porn made it all the worse as a release valve into celibacy. Getting off porn is hugely beneficial for getting laid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1ww9eiovQ

>>10870479
>Sub-replacement birthrates
True but some people are more desirable than others which gives them leverage to the point of such abundance they can kill themselves a little.

>people who will die at their desk due to savings issues only backing up the socioeconomic ladder
People with standing desks live longer and not retiring isn't the worst thing if you find a job that isn't hell. Days go by really fast when you're old.

>45 year olds dying of xanax and opiate overdose to get eaten by their cats
Pointless despair is the only thing worse than death. I've had multiple male peers kill themselves this decade. One of them was kind of my doppelganger except he was balding at 15. Incels know what they're talking about because they live it and so did I. Seemingly endless suffering is only terrible in the middle but on the other side there's great satisfaction. All the guys who come out of this will be more powerful than their dads. The evolutionary pressure of our circumstances is ultimately good for us.

>an unprecedented generation of men who anticipate dying virgins.
At least VR porn is near and the fappening was positively orgasmic as much as porn can get you.

>I'm not seeing it.
You will. We've actually entered a new cultural cycle even as of recently. There's huge changes we are undergoing as the collapse of education will reveal the inequity.

>>10870483

>lalalala just shut your ears to society's issues, I'm helping

That's you.

No wonder you only tell them to be themselves. If I were you, I'd also be terrified of realizing how little of the world I knew.

>>10870502
The coalition of liberals who defend this abhorrent status-quo will be exposed in glorious fashion. They deny the natural design of humans for sick purposes of selfishness. Loneliness and sexual deprivation cut men to the bone and they don't care AT ALL. It will be so great when everything works out in the favor of the righteous man as Nixon was unfairly cast out for behaving in the way he was expected. It's all a big joke and the punchline is them not us. People who know the truth are better than people perpetuating lies.

God or whatever is overseeing this petri dish loves beauty and truth so we're good by default of this universe. If evil beats good then martyrdom is bestowed which is the ultimate superiority to come back around through the unseen unknown. We're not even that connected in the ultimate sense so just take and give as you leisure to be fine. Having sex or being L O N E L Y isn't even a deep impression on the level of time. Sublime pain is actually really good since everyone's a masochist.

>>10870517
how many times are you going to repeat this dumbass strawman?

I'm half convinced you're insane and arguing with yourself considering you (two) are the only weirdo(s) in the thread spacing like you are, contrary to everyone else on the site.

You're writing like you're the main character in a shitty movie.
>If I were you, I'd also be terrified of realizing how little of the world I knew.
Between assertions like this and the corny dramatic phrasing, you reek of narcissistic delusion. A behavioral leftover, perhaps?

Listen, I sympathize with losers as much as the next guy in this current clown world and lord knows female teachers fucked up my head and gave me a guilt complex re: women when I was younger, but keep this shit off this board, it's off-topic.
>lalalala just shut your ears to society's issues, I'm helping
The science and math board of goddamn 4chan is not the place for you to counsel incels in bait threads or whatever else you misconstrue as fixing society
>>>/r9k/

>>10870540

>calls denial of observable cultural shifts a strawman

When I no longer have to explain basic cultural shifts and the observable impact on human interaction, and can get right to the point of ADDRESSING that issue. That's when I'll stop repeating.

>tone policing on the internet

Oh no. Somebody is eloquent in establishing a point and their subject matter expertise comes through. Some of us made good money addressing this PRECISE issue. I'm not going to apologize for being good at it.

And male female social interaction is /sci/ so long as we don't have to fight through normie nonsense that drags down the conversation.

I dont get why ppl worry this much about pussy. Im almost an incel (fucked a random thot once), and even when i still was (age 20), getting laid didnt take this much of my brainspace. Altho what u guys are saying is sorta interesting. I recently realized that I myself act very dominant (but still likable) around male peers and authority figures, but around girls automatically become nice-guy soft beta type. It’s subconscious, i legit didnt realize this till recently. However, nothing in my brain is telling me this was learned behavior. I never remember being told to be nice to girls. Im under the impression that this was my natural approach, why would I step on the toes of such gentle, passive humans? What makes u say that the boys have changed? Once my friend said “Girls these days want Ganondorf instead of Link”. Link is def a nice guy but in no way a beta or loser. Mayb girls r the ones who are chaning, who now have different standards for a bad boy, one who is truly evil and will reign supreme over hyrule

>>10870573
Im thinking something like

Girls up until the 1970s: Jonathan Joestar is ideal man

Girls from 1970-2010: Joseph Joestar is ideal man

Modern girl: Jotaro Kujo or
gtfo

>>10870540
It pains you someone might gain insight about how their academic career destroyed them emotionally and sexually. You're mad the system you love is completely undermined.

Dumb bitch. The thread is about education and reproduction which is all anyone on this board actually cares about.

>You're writing like you're the main character in a shitty movie.
Write a screenplay.

yeah but our closer reletives, chimps, have a much higher percentage of males that breed and less harem situations. it still happens to some extent but less so and even less with humans. though you can still find elements of this sort of thing in human societies

>>10870577
>completely
*thoroughly