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Including fuel for ships, airplanes, and vehicles. This is assuming an efficiency of 8% (it is much higher today).
>Reminder that muh nuclear will never be possible in shitholes like Africa, South America, and India.
>Reminder you can store solar energy as Ammonia by extracting Hydrogen from water through electrolysis.
>Reminder that solar production peak of the day coincides with vehicles parking (and thus recharging) while people are at work.
>Reminder that DC transmission theoretical cost effective limit is 7000 km (more than enough to transfer power from the deserts of Libya to the highlands of Scotland).
>Reminder that any building can install solar cells and offset a significant amount of their electricity use - (in Israel you can sell electricity to the state)
Solar is the FUTURE whether you like it or not.

>> No.10857103

>>10857087
There are already reactors in India. You fucking brainlet.

>> No.10857106

>>10857103
>There are already reactors in India. You fucking brainlet.
OP BTFO

>> No.10857107
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10857107

>>10857103
>Super Power 2020
100000% NUCLEAR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqdDB_tMtgA

>> No.10857229

>>10857103
>>10857106
The point is that you can't provide a significant portion of the energy in India with nuclear power. The region is unstable and poor.

>> No.10857274
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10857274

>>10857087
Much like global food shortages, the problem isn't production, but distribution. How are you going to transfer power from those black spots to the entire planet??

pic related

>> No.10857297

>>10857087
that is a massive area, even at present day efficiencies - maybe we should consume less. for example we could just go back to candles and natural lighting solutions and reduce it massively in one step (15% of global electricty use is lighting) thats just one example. plus the light pollution messes with humans and animals so its really a no-brainer.

>> No.10857301

>>10857274
small is beautiful, think global, act local

>> No.10857309
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10857309

>>10857297
Where the fuck are you going to get enough candles?

>> No.10857317

>>10857309
you could keep bees in your garden or on the land of another person (who you will give % honey) and then you will have honey and beeswax!!
just build them a home and they will come.

>> No.10857377

>>10857297
>just go back to candles
WTF? Lighting is an almost negligible fraction of energy consumption for a modern household with LED bulbs. Manufacturing and distributing those candles would pollute much more.

>> No.10857380

>>10857107
Hey white boy don't underestimate us

>> No.10857382

>>10857229
>The region is unstable
Not really.
>and poor.
Nuclear is cheap.

>> No.10857391

>>10857382
>Nuclear is cheap.
Yeah, just keep repeating that eventually some morons will believe you.

>> No.10857396

>>10857391
Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea, etc are all about it. Maybe it's expensive in the West but it can be done for cheap.

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10857404

>>10857396
>it can be done for cheap.

>> No.10857561

whatever became of that plan to refreeze arctic zones the news had mentioned?
a chemical reaction on such a scale would need buku bucks to even get researched

>> No.10858099

>>10857087
South Africa has had a nuclear rector for decades.

Hows the resources needed for solar panels? do we even have enough of it to run the world on for the next 100 years? ive never seen anything about this (whether we have it or not)

>> No.10858117

>>10858099
The prices for some of the raw metals are already going up because we don't have the stock for the pannels made right now, to go 100% solar we'll need to mine some metals more than an order of magnitude more than has ever been mined of them, so a map like OPs should really include the a out of land that will need to be turned into mines to make the solar pannels as well.

>> No.10858124

But LFTR...

>> No.10858139
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>>10857274
you just put solar panels on your roof, everybody can, local grid takes care of distribution, you basically sell to your neighbours

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10858193

>>10858099
You don't hear because all resources you need are abundant. Panels are mostly glass, It's made of sand. You need some silicon which is also made of sand. We can cover the entire planet with solar panels and would still not run out of sand. You need some copper for wiring and an frame which is usually made of aluminium. Both common and cheap metals.
Also some plastics to glue all of this together.
That's it.

>> No.10858223

>>10858193
you really think you just put some glass in the sun and it generates electricity? you need Indium, Gallium, Selenium, Cadmium, Tellurium, and whatever the flavor of the year is. For example, if countries keep by their projections for solar adoption, then by 2050 well need 12 times the Indium production we have now. And thats not even with producing 100% of every from solar.

>> No.10858365

>>10858099
>5% of south africa's electricity comes from nuclear
GEE I WONDER WHY THEY HAVEN'T BUILT ANOTHER ONE 40 YEARS LATER!??!?!

>> No.10858396

>>10857087
Reminder, whole picture is one big solar panel, if you use heat pump coupled heat engine.

>> No.10858456

>>10858396
Thermodynamics doesn't prevent this exactly how?

>> No.10858524

>>10858456
It is not isolated system therefore law's of thermodynamics that are forbidding energy gain in isolated system doesn't apply.

It's just moving energy from place to place by creating more possible route.

>> No.10858542

>>10858456
Holly fucking thermodynamics.

Millions of people leaving schools to serve energy industry saying no to free flow of energy because they memorized a sentence and did no research, experiment or calculation that actually even proves the sentence.

Robots, brainwashed robots!

>> No.10858545

>>10858456
Heat pump itself provides 5times more heat than supplied energy.

>> No.10858590

>>10858545
Yes, the carnot cycle allows it exactly because gaining energy from heat is equally limited. The only thing I could see is using stirling engine with one side underground and another one heated by the sun, but I am not very sure if it would work.

>> No.10858603

>>10858365
Why does that matter? 5% is enough to disprove OPs claim.

>> No.10859521

>>10858590
Use a reflector or lens to focus a large amount of sunlight onto the heatsink of a stirling engine, then have the cold side in shade with some air cooling it down. It works.

>> No.10859802

>>10858603
claiming south Africa is at all representative of the continent is pretty ignorant.

>> No.10860041

>>10857301
day of rope will come for you

>> No.10860046

>>10858193
>>10858223
OP confirmed deluded

we haven't even mentioned the potential environmental crisis from batteries used for energy storage, which IS NEEDED for renewable to work

>> No.10860153

>>10857087
filling the black spots with nuclear power plants would give at least 100,000 times more energy

solar is only good for supplementary power and in space. kill yourself