/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10817087
fried foods

>>10817087
>Is junk food truly that bad
Everything in moderation friendo.
Nothing wrong with eating garbage on occasion, it can even be helpful as a carrot on a stick, but in general remember GIGO. Garbage in: Garbage out.

>If you're so high IQ why aren't you drinking soda like this millionaire does

Is this a shadowy shill shill thread for Coca-Cola™?

>>10817092
He eats like 5k+ calories of it daily.
>>10817093
He eats all the junk food garbage and at obese men tier amounts. Maybe he is just uses all the calories by his earth shaking thinking.

>>10817103
>Maybe he is just uses all the calories by his earth shaking thinking.

or maybe he's not afraid of heart failure cause he's got 5 cloned children in vats ready for organ harvesting

>>10817087
Meat and any other animal product since it’s produced by murder

>>10817121
Nice cope but his skin should have fallen off by now if the food was that bad.

>>10817087
Always thought buffett eating shit was a meme desu. Obviously he does like McDonald’s but the dude probably has a chef or two on the payroll

>>10817155
Humans shed about 600,000 particles of skin every hour or about 1.5 pounds a year.

YOUR SKIN IS FALLING OFF!!

>>10817087
>What FOOD should we not eat?

Avoid processed foods, they are filled with additives and nitrates that are classified as "suspected carcinogens". yes , the additives and nitrates are at small ammounts, but over a lifetime the damage does acumulate.
Also, avoid foods packaged in plastics. Bisphenol A is found in plastics and is also a suspected carcinogen. Researchers have now also started to see a relation between the decrease in the sperm count among men in the west, and the prevelance of Bisphenol A, and a bunch of other chemicals originating from plastic packaging in food

So yeah, dont buy processed food in plastic containers that you then also go ahead and eat from.

buffet is devilish; he only eats shit on display for the media
in the privacy of his home, he probably eats a super healthy diet cooked by chefs

>>10817087
Polyunsaturated fats from all sources. Even if we do in fact need for example a small amount of DHA, regardless of how doubtful that is, it is virtually impossible to induce deficiency outside of eating an experimental diet, in which case other dietary deficiences would present as a far more pressing issue than that of DHA.

>>10817087
Anything burnt

>>10817087
A diet high on cheap carbs is pretty much the most disastrous thing you can do to your body in the long run.

>>10817872
B-but I like everything slightly charred

>>10817949
>>10817872
Still unknown
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylamide

bump

carbohydrates

>>10819385
Yeah, even though all the intelligent races feats on it. Carbohydrates are the best brain food, though you still need proteins of course.

>>10819403
>tfw you have a meatless diet only so you don't become fat from a sedentary lifestyle

Dairy and anything with too much calcium; anything fortified with iron. Anything with both carbs and fat - go either low fat or low carb, mixtures don't seem to do any good. Or the moderate way, allow some fatty main course, but fill up on fat free bread or rice afterwards.

Ypu get hungry when either your glycogen reserved or fat reserves are too low, only carbs count towards supressing glycogen hunger, the conversion between carbs and fats is ridiculously slow, in the order of grams a day. (Keto works by stoping the burning of glycogen)

>>10817091
>>10817092
/thread.

Also watch calories while you're at it

>>10817103
Ahahahahah no he's not.
Go to /fit/, learn the basics of nutrition, then make a thread like this.
>This 88 year old man eats 5k calories of junk food a day
Fucking people man.

>>10819495
>he thinks everyone is lowtest like him
LOL

onions. memes aside it's in a lot of stuff but really isn't good for you

>>10821001
meant to say onions

>>10821005
s○y**

>>10819495
Try eating 5000 calories of mostly sugar and try to gain some weight on that.

>>10817103
>5k+ calories of it daily
Bullshit.
>>10817087
>What FOOD should we not eat?
Unironically meat, eggs, dairy, or anything not plant-based.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rNY7xKyGCQ

>>10821038
Where do you get K2? B12?

>>10821058
Skip to 1:02:23

The truth was known to man once. Now it’s been buried by misinformation.

>>10817087
You shouldn't eat junk food, processed foods, or _too much_ meat, or too much food in general.

That said, there is no single particular food that will make an outstanding difference in your health. You should instead focus on your dietary patterns.

Warren Buffett is an anecdote and probably an outlier. There's a lot more evidence that suggests that, yes, junk food is bad for you.

>>10821075
What is wrong with eggs?

I N F L A M A T I O N

>>10822961
They come out of what's pretty much a vagina, and that's disgusting.

>>10817087
anything with onions in it

>>10817125

>>10819438
just take up fasting during the week. life changing.

>>10817087

Industrial scale produced meat/dairy is horrible for you. Generally any sort of frozen or packaged/canned crap will be very bad for you.

>>10823140
Cloaca, to be precise. Not that it makes it more delicious but in any case I do not eat the egg shell.

What you should do is covered pretty well in this video.

https://youtu.be/4-l_EbXE3LU

Fish, chicken, veg, etc

>>10823157
only savages unironically fast

>>10817087
Tbh, anything that you did not in some kind hunt or grow...

Gabagool, it's nothing but fat and nitrates.

>>10817087
this dude has access to a level of health care that we will never see, he has enough money to replace almost any organ that will fail also how can you not understand one outlier doesn't disprove anything, ozzy osbourne abused heroin for decades and is alive at 70 does that one example mean heroin and drug abuse is fine and not bad for you? no of course not it just means outliers will always exist, warren buffet eats junk food and is fine, but think about the millions of people who do and aren't fine

>>10817087
I implore that you look into blood sugar spikes and glycemic index. One of the best things you can do to maintain a healthy weight AND not get hit with post meal brain fog is avoid refined carbohydrates. Nowadays there is really no excuse to not buy 100% whole grain bread, pasta, rice, etc. Unless you're a professional athlete, the glycemic load from white bread or sugar is doing much more harm than good.

>>10824738
The problem of refined grains is the resulting loss of vitamins and minerals, not "glycemic index".
>>10824710
Oh, the super secret medical services only for the über wealthy... He probably just takes vitamins.

>>10824812
if you live in a country where you can pay for a higher quality of medical care the super rich will have access to a quality of medical care that most people wouldn't even know exists
>he probably just takes vitamins
so the probably hundreds of thousands of people worldwide eating a terrible diet and taking vitamins are explained how?

>>10817087
>Is junk food truly that bad,

Absolutely not, brainlet.

>>10817087
pork

I've only eaten 2014 packaged MRE's for the past two days. I have like three days of them left to eat. Am I going to die? Everything's tasted ok so far besides the raisins

>>10821075
vegetables should be on the bottom all by themselves. 50% of a meal should be vegetables, especially leafy greens.

on top of that should be protein from many sources: meat, eggs, dairy, nuts, etc. maybe beans, but those are more starch than protein. this really should just be high-protein foods

next tier up should be fruits, whole grains and cereals.

top should simply be "added shit." doesn't matter what it is, but you really shouldn't need to add significant extra sugar or oil to anything. maybe a little salt or spice for flavor, or oil for non-stick but that's it.

>>10817087
Anything highly processed. If it's more than beans in a can with some salt, really think about the repercussions of eating it. ie, you ought to have a reason to be eating it.

The most processed food I eat are chocolate chips made from chocolate liquor. Which involves husking, fermenting the nibs under a bit of heat, sometimes roasting, then pressing to separate the cacao solids from the fat. And recombining them in equal measure.

Beyond that, nothing is processed. I eat for like 7$ a day, tops. It would be even lower if I could eat rice and some other things, potatoes. Haven't factored in herbs though, but it'd add maybe 10-70 cents per day.

>>10826040
Nonsense, the primary food gave always been grains. Basically, eat a small-ish main meal, fill up with bread or rice. This has always worked until people started to eat fatty snacks and sweets, so if it doesn't work, there must be another problem than the macroscopic composition of food itself, but something else, like a mineral deficiency for poor fertilizing, or even something not related to food at all.

>>10826040
Nonsense, the primary food has always been grains. Basically, eat a small-ish main meal, fill up with bread or rice. This has always worked until people started to eat huge main portions and fatty snacks and sweets, so if it doesn't work, there must be another problem than the macroscopic composition of food itself, but something else, like a mineral deficiency for poor fertilizing, or even something not related to food at all.

>>10826040
Nonsense, the primary food have always been grains. Basically, eat a small-ish main meal, fill up with bread or rice. This has always worked until people started to eat huge main portions and fatty snacks and sweets, so if it doesn't work, there must be another problem than the macroscopic composition of food itself, but something else, like a mineral deficiency for poor fertilizing, or even something not related to food at all.

>>10826074
thanks mr skellington

>>10826691
Nah, I'm not a skeleton.

>>10821075
>Eat grains because grain farmers had the biggest lobbey group in the 70s!

Not even tinfoil, literally on record.

>>10826697
Yes, you are.

>>10826706
Proof.

>>10817087
Avoid processed foods. Eat organic. Check for gluten allergies.

>>10826710
see
>>10826074

>>10826714
Refer to:
>>10826697
And:
>>10826710

>>10817087
Processed foods (including refined sugar, homogenized milk, weird oils needing machinery to produce)

Eat fairly natural:
Boil potatoes, veggies, and lentils. Fry meat, make pies with innards, boiling soups and stews with bones.

>>10826719
Thanks, Mr. Skellington

>>10826702
Total tinfoil. The only reason why "grain farmers" might have had the biggest lobby is that grains have always been the main food.

What does it even means, grain farmers? You think that you are locked up for life with what you grow? Even then, raising meat needs a lot of grain, so "grain farmers" make money either way. Your bizarre conspiracy theory makes no sense at all.

>>10817087
>tl;dr: Learn how to read a nutrition label and stop relying on dumbfuck mom article posters

Fast food in general is pretty healthy. Good macro nutrient ratios. Better micronutrients than eating pure fruits and veges from the animal products etc. Also often has more fibre and less sugar than people have been brainwashed to believe.
There are many exceptions though. READ the fucking label. Legally they have to be posted somewhere, usually on a chain website.

Some guy whined about plastics. Plastics used for food packaging are highly inert and only the safest FDA approved additives are used. Not promising it's entirely safe, but it's been placed under more scientific scrutiny than the food that it contains itself.

What you should actually eat depends on many many factors, your lifestyle, your current weight, your goals etc. Your body needs all 3 of the macronutrients. If you do keto you should still cycle it and have recarbs unless you don't care about muslce health or bone density. In general no foods are "bad" depending on the context.

That being said here are some common myths about food that is currently popular:

>Vitamin pills are useless
Some of them like Centrum maybe. Others are useful. In WW2 soldiers killed each other over a few grams of crushed vitamen pills because of how big of a difference it made to health when malnurished. It saved the lives of many retreating soldiers on the Eastern front.
>Veges are good for you because they contain X nutrient
In general there are only trace nutrients in vegetables, they are mostly good for the phytochemicals and fibre they contain
>Blueberries are a superfood!
The USA is the biggest producer of blueberries and their lobbey groups have spread this meme. Blueberries are mostly sugar with no other nutrients. It contains some useful phytochemicals and fibre.
>Sodium
Most people get too little not too much sodium in their diet these days.
>Anything involving cholesterol
Bullshit.

Do your own research.

>>10826742
>Can't read

Fuckoff. Go eat bread. But then make that 70% of your diet based solely on the FDA pyramid with zero unbiased backing.

>>10826743
>Fast food in general is pretty healthy.
You've gotta be kidding me. Look at the content of the food, not just "macro nutrient ratios".

If fast food is "generally pretty healthy", then pretty much anything is. As you've indicated later in your post. Honestly, I think this wishy washy, limp wristed "shades of grey" thinking has got to go. No assault intended onto you, but we're at the point where we need to reevalate and return to some hard lines.

>>10826712
>Eat organic
Mom blog tier.

Eat GMOs with superior nutrient content and stop giving cheap jews your money.

>>10826743
spotted the ketotard

>>10826752
>then pretty much anything is.
Because pretty much anything is. The only possible exception is candy. Even then sugar has its place if you're not a sedantry dumbfuck.

The only mindset that needs to go is the belief that there are explicit answers to health for uneducated people. Everyone needs to take responsibility for their own health and learn to understand nutritional science and it's relation to their own physiology.

>>10826754
If we can't all agree that pesticides and herbicides are biologically active, definitely present in your food, and the threshold for toxicity (as well as bioaccumulation) is very low, then I really don't know what we're going to do. It's so completely obvious if you knew anything about biology and ecology. How the hell can you argue for anything else?

Man has not handled its transition into "freedom" well, and is overall incredibly irresponsible, susceptible to ideology and propaganda, and are essentially cattle to be used as desired. Something you embrace with open arms, though you may not realize it. Go read the protocols of the elders of zion for more if you want to see how you're getting Jewed. I don't know or really care if it's a forgery or if "Jews" are behind it, it fits precisely with what we're seeing.

People shouldn't be allowed to poison themselves, their community, or their families. Corporations should not be allowed to help them with their retardation, but that's getting into some difficult territory. Ultimately, the only solution is to make sure you're subjugated for your own good. The ideal is that the walls will be invisible, but brutal when hit. Hell, maybe we/some other species already made a system like this.

You're wrong+fuck you, anyway.

>>10826689
>the primary food has always been grains.

I don't even what fucked up logical fallacy you were going for. People have always done X is beyond stupid, the only thing that makes it worse is that people didn't even have access to nutritative grains until about 8000 years ago, before that only animal foods had nutrition humans could use.

Put up real scientific reasons or fuck off.

>>10826766
Lol, you thought that the "organic" label meant they didn't use any herbicides or pesticides.

Lmao.

>>10826772
There's no such thing as organic, anymore. The best you can do is grow your own, or support local farmers where you can physically see what they're about.

The organic label is potentially meaningful if you really look into the company. Overall, at the least it's apt to mean a rarefied spectrum of potential toxins.

>>10817087
>people like Warren Buffet live fine by it
...but if you are not a person like Warren Buffet, perhaps you should not eat it.

>>10821031
Are you memeing? 5k calories is 5k calories you dingus.

>>10826805
No it isn't. Energy IN = Energy OUT is an equation for stupid fucks who have never seen an entropy balance or mass tranfer in their entire life.

>>10826743
trace nutrients are present in small amounts, they are no less important than the macronutrients. The amounts of minerals are decreasing and they are absolutely essential for health.
>>10826749
What can't I read? You wrote the food pyramid is the result of some kind of malicous lobby, I'm saying that's a total tinfoil hat the theory. Yes, it works as long as you also limit the fats as instructed. When you eat cruchy snacks soaked in oil it will not work.

>>10826743
>>10826752
>>10826757
>>10826766
>>10826772
>>10826777

The problem with fast food is usually the high amount of fat and very often poor quality ingredients, which may be low on essential minerals, as that depends mainly on the fertilizer used, not the crop itself. "Organic" may prevent this somewhat by forcing the use of more complete fertilizers.

>>10826820
>Fat is bad

No, it isn't.

>>10826834
Yes it is. Not only just historic evidence confirms it - the way you make rats fat is that you feed them a lot of fat.

>>10826834
This. It's about the type of fat, when it's consumed, and various individual and incidental factors. Some fats are just simple poison whether intrinsically or for modern reasons, like basedbean, cottonseed, canola (tweaked around rapeseed). Cocoa butter, coconut oil, sunflower seed to an extent (if cold pressed / not roasted), avocado are better.

In general you should be eating protein and saturated fat in the morning. Starches and so on later on. Saturated fat in particular upregulates lypolytic processes, are thermogenic, and so on. Saturated fat doesn't make you fat... I'm not sure if there are synergisms where it can contribute though. In general it's a net positive.

>>10826848
I ate pretty decent amounts of cacao and chocolate chips for a year or two, it was a central part of my diet. I lost 40 lbs, and wasn't even overweight to start with. Became somewhat skeleton.

I eat two selenium nuts a day and a bowl of blueberries. What else should I get in my diet every day?

>>10826870
*two Brazil nuts

>>10826881
Your typo made me lol for some reason.

Definitely agree on the Brazil nuts. A good source of copper is helpful as well, required cofactor for thyroid hormone,s manufacture of superoxide dismutase, etc.

>>10826864
>cacao
fat free

I ate a diet that contained basically of a ridiculous amount of sugary tea, fruit and some tofu or a simila small meal a day as an experiment. (It was inspured by the superfat vs superslim show and the participants usual diets) I started losing wieght so rapidly that people thought I was ill.

>>10826864
>cacao
fat free

I ate a diet that consisted basically of a ridiculous amount of sugary tea, fruit and some tofu or a similar small meal a day as an experiment. (It was inspired by the superfat vs superskinny show and the participants' usual diets) I started losing wieght so rapidly that people thought I was ill.

>>10826895
>superfat vs superskinny
*Supersize vs. superskinny

>>10817087
Nutritionfacts.org and the DailyDozen app is a good guide on what to eat.
Don’t eat the Standard American Diet

>>10826892
Cacao has a decent amount of saturated fat. Especially as chocolate liquor. The pure butter is such a hardcore stimulant it makes me sick if I eat very much. No idea what ends up in there, but it's definitely a novel stimulant.

I've heard sucrose is an anti-nutrient where long term you net lose resources, superfically makes sense but I haven't bothered to look into it.

How much were you eating?

>>10826902

sorry, obviously an answer to this>>10826895

Cacao, as the powder that is called cacao on most countries, contains no fat. Cocoa beans do, but cacao is specifically with the fats separated from it.

As much as I could basically. Didn't help I was still losing weight. That's how I learned that the "sugar makes you fat" mantra is complete and utter bullshit.

>>10817087
Cooked meat, any type of meat should be eaten raw or steamed.

>>10826918
>That's how I learned that the "sugar makes you fat" mantra is complete and utter bullshit.
Everybody have an unique gut flora of bacteria affecting cravings and uptake. Sugar is quick energy, some have bacteria that stores others burn it or just pass it. Either way it's very harmful for the body (pancreas) to always have sugar to process, just look up how diabetics are damaged when their pancreas begin to fail.
Poop transplants are very easy procedures and show huge bnefits for IBS to diabetes sufferers. Poop soup was an old chinese remedy for stomach problems.

>>10826963
Oh, so I have somehow some weird gut flora that makes me react opposite to everybody else? Nonsense. Watch the show, it's almost a rule - too skinny = lot of sugars, lots of carbs, basically no fat, often outright cannot stomach greasy foods; too fat = a lot of fatty, savory, foods, lots of meat, etc. There are almost no exceptions to that pattern. Simply the advice we are usually given is completely wrong.

No reason why it should damage the pancreas or cause diabetes either.

>>10826963
Oh, so I have somehow some weird gut flora that makes me respond to sugar opposite to everybody else? Nonsense. Watch the show, it's almost a rule - too skinny = lot of sugars, lots of carbs, basically no fat, often outright cannot stomach greasy foods; too fat = a lot of fatty, savory foods, lots of meat, etc. There are almost no exceptions to that pattern. Simply the advice we are usually given is completely wrong.

No reason why it should damage the pancreas or cause diabetes either.

rate my daily breakfast
>oats
>pea juice (Ripple)
>chia seeds
>flax powder
>pinch of salt
>wild frozen blueberries
>vanilla extract and a tiny bit of maple syrup

What should else does it need for maximum modern nutritional knowledge memeness or whatever?

>>10827009
>Mostly sugar

Well I'm not gonna lie it's pretty fucking bad Anon. You might be better off eating KFC even.

>>10826768
That is a scientific reason, brainlet. People have always eaten a lot of grains and they were not obese. In fact eating too much grain only was associated with getting too thin, not the other way round so obviously it must be something else than grains that is making people ill.

>>10826805
Try it. Not possible.

>>10826690
>Nonsense, the primary food have always been grains.
No, that was only after our ancestors invented agriculture. Before that it was hunting and gathering.

>>10827299
>That is a scientific reason,
No it's not.

>>10827349
It's very likely that the gathering part involved grains. In any case we he been eating grains in all known history and never become very obese until last several decades.
>>10827363
Yes it is. Define scientific reason if you disagree.

>>10817087

Don’t snack. Sit down, eat your meal, then get on with your day.

I notice all the fatasses I know love to snack as a recreational activity. Biscuits with tea, chips in front of the tv and so on.

It’s a bad habit that teaches you to over-eat. Also, most snack foods are processed garbage.

>>10827394
>It's very likely that the gathering part involved grains.
Is it? Wheat was a random result of two plants cross breeding, and agriculture followed soon after that. Agriculture came about 3 times, roughly at the same time: wheat in Mesopotamia, millet in one part of China, and rice in another art of China. The amounts of grains you could pick before agriculture mus have been rather insignificant and if so, only for a very short period of time in a year.

General rule of thumb: eat food that took a minimal path to get from the farm to your table. Stay away from processed shit and keep it natural.

>>10829474
>Stay away from processed shit and keep it natural.
Given that "processing" varies widely, including curing, drying, salting, smoking, fermenting, boiling, canning and more, it is hard to understand why these are supposed all to be unhealthy. What can go wrong with plain drying?

>>10821075

Grains are terrible for humans

>>10817087
Anything that accumulates pollutants in your body. Lead and stuff like that.

Did you know excessively drinking Mountain Dew causes Bromine poisoning? lmao

>>10827005
Sorry to burst your bubble, but yeah either you have some very weird guy flora or you're simply lying (to us, or yourself). The link between high sugar intake and diabetes has been rigorously established and proven time after time after time. Sugar causes diabetes by either making the body immune to its own insulin (through overproduction after thousands of meals that were too high in sugars) or simply stopping the insulin production altogether. Every other variable has been controlled for. Sugar causes this.

Now, depending on your lifestyle, sugar may not make you fat (if you do a lot of exercising, you'll just burn the fat off, before it ever becomes noticeable). But if you overeat sugar, your risk for developing diabetes is orders of magnitudes higher than if you ate more healthily.

>>10827005
>>10830638
If you want to educate yourself on the issue, I'd suggest reading How Not to Die by Dr Greger

>>10826690
The only reason grains were at the bottom was due to extensive lobbying on behalf of the wheat industry.
This is what a non-lobbied nutritional recommendation looks like: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-eating-plate/

>>10827005
And that's why there's a whole cult of super cut crossfit people who eat keto diets with almost zero carbs and high animal protein/fat, right?
The absolute state of brainlets of /sci/, jesus christ.

>>10827394
Grains throughout much of human history =\= highly processed industrial empty carb shit that is what most people eat nowadays in embarassingly high quantities, which is what causes the diabetes and obesity epidemic that so much countries experience.
Also, we have been eating grains for little more than ten thousand years. But for more than a hundred thousand most humans lived as hunter-gatherers. We have been eating animal protein and fat for way longer than we have had the ability to cultivate and process grain. Highly processed/refined carbohydrates have been the worst thing that have happened to humanity nutritionally speaking. They don't even have the fibre and nutrients of unprocessed grain.

>>10827564
Snacking is fine if you work out religiously

Why do vegetables have to be so healthy and taste so uninteresting.
I know they taste good too but vegetable flavour objectively pales in comparison to less healthy shit.

>>10830941
because if there was less healthy shit that didn't taste as good as vegetable no one would eat or even think about it.

You shouldn't eat usual amounts of food that is high in saturated fat, trans fat, total fat or salt. You should also tightly limit meat and egg intake, intake of animal protein in general, and intake of anything fried or processed at a high temperature above the boiling point of water..

>>10830669
>This is what a non-lobbied nutritional recommendation looks like
This is particularly comedic given that Harvard has immense conflicts of interest with the vegetable oil industry (Harvard-Bunge fellowship, as well as Unilever), and just happens to promote daily oil consumption for 20+ years, despite lack of evidence that oil consumption has any benefits at all (in fact, the clinical trial data suggest that oil consumption promotes weight gain through passive overeating, just as any other refined fat)

the amount of broscience in this thread

Halal and Kosher

>>10827707
More times than that. It's extremely unlikely people would decide to domesticate a plant they have never eaten before and there is evidence of it being collected way earlier.

>>10830638
Nonsense. Why does the prevalence of diabetes keep increasing, when the amount of sugar consumed is decreasing?
>Sugar causes diabetes by either making the body immune to its own insulin
There is absolutely no reason why anything like that should happen.
>>10830669
The reason was that grains have always been the staple food.
>>10830677
Keto works by reducing the burning of glucose. It is not helathy, you get lean, but with none of the benefits. Keto actually makes diabetes worse, it just doesn't show because of the little carbs eaten.
>>10830690
Even hunter gatherers have some kind of starchy staple and eat honey.

>>10831036
>Nonsense. Why does the prevalence of diabetes keep increasing, when the amount of sugar consumed is decreasing?
>>Sugar causes diabetes by either making the body immune to its own insulin
>There is absolutely no reason why anything like that should happen.
Look, I provided my source, a well-respected medical researcher who wrote an entire book on the topic. You're making baseless claims that go counter all the evidence in the world on the subject, it is on you to provide sources for your claims. As of right now, you're on the same level as tinfoil hat conspiracy theory followers who think all the established science is a Jewish conspiracy

>>10831091
>Look, I provided my source, a well-respected medical researcher who wrote an entire book on the topic.
No you didn't, at least not in your post.
>As of right now, you're on the same level as tinfoil hat conspiracy theory followers who think all the established science is a Jewish conspiracy
No, the ones who blame sugar are. The studies show that diabetic people eat more sugar, but they also consume more artificial sweeteners, which means that most likely diabetes just causes sugar cravings.

>>10817250
That is going to get removed from receipts, at least in Europe from next year.
I wonder if is the cause of the worldwide sperm count loss.

>>10817087
Anything produced at a factoy, especially meat, especially red meat, is handled with chemicals that make the food taste and look better, at the cost of increased risk of heart disease. If you want to consume meant without risking it, start hunting and butchering your own prey. Modern food is poison, and contains little to nothing of what you're body needs for peak performance.

>>10821075
kek

>>10826690
>the primary food have always been grains
>only started being cultivated around 12,000 years ago
hmm...

>>10826743
>Fast food in general is pretty healthy.
Based retard

>>10826766
>GMOs = pesticides and herbicides
???

>>10831478
>12,000 years ago

And obesity has been a widespread problem for less than 1% of the time.

Anyway: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/people-and-culture/food/the-plate/2015/09/11/ancient-oat-discovery-may-poke-more-holes-in-paleo-diet/

>>10831395
>No you didn't, at least not in your post.
I provided an entire book of sources here >>10830649

>The studies show that diabetic people eat more sugar, but they also consume more artificial sweeteners, which means that most likely diabetes just causes sugar cravings
You're completely putting the causal relationship between sugar and how the body reacts to it in its head. The studies you claim to have seen are suspiciously absent from any of your post and your claim flies in the face of ~150 years of medical science. You are just wrong on this subject.

>>10817250
"Processed" is an extremely broad term that I don't think means what you think means.

>>10826918
Calories make you fat. Sugar is just a really easy way to get too many calories. It's really not that complicated. Stop trying to find the magic secret.

>>10832376
The idea that we didn't eat grains before agriculture is just absurd on the face of it. Why would cultivate grains unless they were seen as a food source in the first place? Did cavemen say "Hmm, birds eat this shit. I guess we should spend millenia breeding it so we can eat it too someday"?

>>10827299
>not possible
Calorie is a unit of measure, what the fuck are you even trying to say? What am I supposed to be trying?

>>10826815
Yes it is, unless you also think 5kg of bananas weighs more than 5kg of apples. More specifically its calories absorbed - calories out, and given that sugar is readily and easily absorbed by the human body if you eat 5k calories of sugar a day you will gain weight at an incredible rate.

>>10832392
You can safely discard the opinions of anyone who uses the term "processed food".

>>10832391
>>No you didn't, at least not in your post.
I provided an entire book of sources here >>10830649

Wikipedia says he criticizes low carb diets and is vegan, so I assumed it wasn't you.

>You're completely putting the causal relationship between sugar and how the body reacts to it in its head. The studies you claim to have seen are suspiciously absent from any of your post and your claim flies in the face of ~150 years of medical science. You are just wrong on this subject.

No serious secondary source will tell you sugar is the cause. I'm not sure what you're even trying to say by the studies being "absent from my posts".

>>10832395
It is necessary to find the real reason why people started overeating. Are you paid for writing that?

>>10832526
Try to get fat on a high sugar diet. You soon become so sick of it that you won't be able to keep your weight unless you remove the sugar. Even with tea fully saturated with sugar you won't be able to do it.

>>10817250
So having eaten 1000 of these in my 20's probably fucked me up

>>10817087
Dude probably has 6 doctors on standby along with some third world organ mules in his dungeon. But apparently his main vice is having a cheeseburger every once in a while.

>>10817087

Meat and dairy.

>>10817087
Whatever you like to eat

>>10832570
>No serious secondary source will tell you sugar is the cause. I'm not sure what you're even trying to say by the studies being "absent from my posts".
I'm saying that youre not giving sources for your wild claims that are diametrically opposed to established primary sources within medicine, who all say that sugar leads to diabetes. You're saying there is no link, without backing up your statement at all. You don't belong on this board.

>>10832591
you could eat pizza, fries, cheese and burgers all day long and be an athletic machine. its not what it is its how its done.

grains are bad because they block nutrient uptake and convert to sugar.
the nutrient blocking affects our teeth and bone structure. the shift from manual labor (hunting and gathering) to grinding grain has made us weaker. some sci peoples did a study of modern vs existing hunter gatherer populations and their bones and teeth do not have the same problems we do. and then there are modern refined grains which are devoid of nutrients and contain byproducts of processing and preservation.. in some countries mandatory vitamins are added to essentially make up for what goodness was in it was then stripped out. there is no point in eating white rice etc, it is void, use that limited stomach space wisely

>>10817087
My father had leg vein (artery?) clog but when we went to the hospital, I was at home when it happens. Doctors said that internally he was extremely healthy and was deceptively younger and he was saying this in the "wow I am impressed!" manner.

What's funny is that he was born on the government papers 19X8 but in reality he was born 19X0 so it's even more impressive.

>>10817087
onions, and too many vegetables, it'll turn you into a pussy Californian
drink blood

>>10833548
forgot soi turns to onions on 4chan.

>>10833284
You don't belong on this board. There is no legitimate soruce saying so and there is no reason it whould work that way. Post a source if you think there is one.

>>10833284
You don't belong on this board. There is no legitimate soruce saying so and there is no reason why it should work that way. Post a source if you think there is one.

>>10833520
you got to go back

>>10834067
Just saying how healthy eating has a huge effect on QoL.

>>10827009
It's ok, are you vegan?
Now rate mine.
>two cups of whole milk
>two cups of frozen wild blueberries
>blended into a smoothy
>exactly 460 Kcal

>>10832590
This.
Also, the clamp, vaccination, lastly your mothers low iodine intake while you were in the womb.

>>10834022
Fuck off, you're the one making a clain that is so wrong it is hard to grasp. You apparently know nothing about how sugar is processed in the human body, and you flagrantly disregard the fact that I cited an entire book of primary and secondary sources on the topic.
I have established medical science as well as sources on my side, you have your opinion with nothing to back it up except the statement "it doesn't work that way and why should it" (hint: it does, and chemistry).

You do not belong on this board. Go back to /fit/ and eat your sugar. But don't come whining here when you lose your first leg to diabetes at 40.

>>10835254
As I said just from the wikipedia article the person who wrote the book is a vocal critic of low carb diets, so I really doubt the book supports what you say.

I know quite a bit.

Insulin works essentially as a key to the transport that allows glucose to be taken into the cell. There is no reason why too many keys to that door should make it hard to open, on the contrary, it's very likely that the door is failing for an unrelated reason and the body produces insulin as it tries to compentsate. It's also very likely that the affected people crave sugar as the result of glucose being unavailable to the cells (including whatever regulates appetite) as the result of the glucose transporters failing, and not the other way round which would not make any chemical sense. You need to look at the problem from the opposite end than you do as causal chain is obviously the opposite of what you think it is.

>>10835254
>sugar bad
>most of metabolism is based around feeding sugar into the Krebs cycle
maybe you should take an intro to biochemistry class

>>10835254
As I said just from the wikipedia article the person who wrote the book is a vocal critic of low carb diets, so I really doubt the book supports what you say.

I know quite a bit.

Insulin works essentially as a key to the transport that allows glucose to be taken into the cell. There is no reason why too many keys to that door should make it hard to open, on the contrary, it's very likely that the door is failing for an unrelated reason and the body produces insulin as it tries to compentsate. It's also very likely that the affected people crave sugar as the result of glucose being unavailable to the cells (including whatever regulates appetite) as the result of the glucose transporters failing, and not the other way round which would not make any chemical sense. You need to look at the problem from the opposite end than you do as the causal chain is obviously the opposite and it's the glucose transporters failing which leads to the other symptoms.

>>10835283
Read the book, not the Wikipedia page about the author

>>10835286
>sugar is essential
>hurr I'll eat unlimited amounts of sugar because my body is equipped to deal with sugar.
I never said you should stop eating sugar, but the data is in on the fact that overconsumption of sugar and sugary foods is the leading cause of many diseases in the west, such as heart disease, obesity and diabetes. In short, if you want to live healthier, you don't cut the fats, you cut the sugars, especially the added sugars. Yet here you guys come out of the woodwork and pretend like there is no link between sugar and the diseases were we have mountains of evidence that there is a direct relationship. But I guess you're all smarter than the thousands of researchers actually working on those topics.

>>10817087
No studies show any kind of fat have a real effect on cholesterol. The only thing thats conclusive is that simpls carbs and by extension sugars, when chronically over consumed, can decrease youre insulin sensitivity causing diabetes. The only other thing id say is bad is too much salt and any electrolyte really. And also many E numbers which arent really food but included in food

>>10833548
Yet the Japanese who eat a lot of rice and s-o-y products, have a very long life expectancy and excellent health.

>>10835297
>Read the book, not the Wikipedia page about the author
I'm not gonna buy a book just to learn what you mean.

>>10835297
>Read the book, not the Wikipedia page about the author

>>10824815
>if you live in a country where you can pay for a higher quality of medical care the super rich will have access to a quality of medical care that most people wouldn't even know exists
That's why Steve Jobs, one of the richest people ever died of a simple cancer at a tender young age.

>>10835567
Adding page numbers detracts from the purpose of citations and fails to establish the common knowledge base between author and reader.
It is also indeed irrelevant what others have said beforehand, especially when dealing in political theory.
The last one is obviously a joke.

>>10823140
You came out of a vagina

>>10817087
olives
>>10817091
say that again and i kill you

>>10817087
>it seems like people like Warren Buffet live fine by it.
anyone born without subhuman genes should live fine by it

>>10835297
Dear friend, the notion that sugar causes diabetes, obesity or heart disease doesn't even pass the sniff test due to lack of correlation both across time (only minor changes in sugar intake over 100 years, paralleled by major changes in lifestyle-induced diseases, as well as decreases in sugar intake paralleled by increases in lifestyle-induced diseases in countries other than the United States) and place (lifestyle-induced diseases occur in countries with either low or high sugar intake). Of course the science itself also does not support the assertion, and this view of the science is shared by international scientific authorities (WHO, FDA, EU etc.) who have not found convincing evidence that refined sugar has negative cardiometabolic effects (though there is clear evidence that it is particularly harmful to dental health)

>>10835875
>though there is clear evidence that it is particularly harmful to dental health
only if you abuse of it
you need abuse & neglect

Warren Buffet probably get expiremental stem cell therapy and cybernetic organs.

>>10817250
What food ISN'T packed with plastic nowadays? Fresh vegetables, yes, but almost everything else I can think of (meat, dry pasta, rice etc) is packed in plastic at some moment before it gets to your hand.

>>10821001
Isn't Asian diet mostly s o y based though? They're usually the healthiest peoples.

itt: conjecture

>>10835902
Yeah he's memeing. S o y decreases testosterone which increases your lifespan. I mean, so does green tea, so if you're okay with that then you'll live longer.

>>10835875
It is correlated with the lack of copper. It was labelled as harmful in error and the prevalence a lot of diseases has increased since then. Other minerals like magnesium or manganese may also be missing; only iron abd calcium are being supplied in enormous amounts, but they cannot replace the other minerals, they can in fact make their deficiencies worse.

>>10835567
If I cited the book pages, you wouldn't read them anyway, as they'd just prove that your entire argument has been baseless. The entire book deals with sugars time and again, and I could at best give you epub page numbers anyway as I don't own a physical copy.

>>10835875
This is a nice wall of text, but you absolutely have to be kidding me. Literally any decent, peer-reviewed or replicated study in the field shows a clear direct correlation between lifetime sugar consumption and prevalence of diabetes, even when controlling for many other variables.
Not only is that link plausible as hell, no other cause has yet been found that correlates even slightly as high as sugar(s). Dietary fat is a side remark in the discussion about diabetes for a reason.

And before we get too sidetracked into the diabetes issue: there is no medical professional that would suggest you add sugar to your diet in any other form than the typical five servings if fruit/vegs a day. This is because added sugar is the leading cause of many more diseases besides diabetes, for example coronary heart disease, obesity, among many more. Of course it is not a direct cause, but blood sugar levels are the strongest predictor for many western diseases.

>>10836183
This is a great example why correlation doesn't equal causation. As I wrote, the causation is very likely the opposite and among the first signs of the disease is craving sugar. It makes sense, since it prevents glucose from being available to cells.

Rising blood sugar levels are another sign of the disease, not its cause.

>>10817087
Anything with added sugar.

Spotted the mentally ill >>10821038

>>10836183
>there is no medical professional that would suggest you add sugar to your diet in any other form than the typical five servings if fruit/vegs a day
Refined sugar has been used in the treatment of diabetes for over a hundred years at various points, beginning in late 19th century France. Walter Kempner was also famously using refined sugar in large amounts in treating diabetic patients and inducing weight loss. The importance of sugar in the prevention and treatment of diabetes is still recognized by many experts today (most medical professionals aren't experts though, they understand about as much as any other person) [e.g. https://www.hindawi.com/journals/omcl/2018/4757893/]

>blood sugar levels are the strongest predictor for many western diseases
Starches produce greater elevations in blood glucose than sugar so if anything you should be opposed to starches and favoring honey (though this assumes, likely incorrectly, that you're not a generic low-carber scared of "insulin spikes" and other momscience)

>>10836183
>there is no medical professional that would suggest you add sugar to your diet in any other form than the typical five servings if fruit/vegs a day
Refined sugar has been used in the treatment of diabetes for over a hundred years at various points, beginning in late 19th century France. Walter Kempner was also famously using refined sugar in large amounts in treating diabetic patients and inducing weight loss. The importance of sugar in the prevention and treatment of diabetes is still recognized by many experts today (most medical professionals aren't experts though, they understand about as much as any other person) [e.g. https://www.hindawi.com/journals/omcl/2018/4757893/]

>blood sugar levels are the strongest predictor for many western diseases
Starches produce greater elevations in blood glucose than sugar so if anything you should be opposed to starches and favoring sugar (though this assumes, likely incorrectly, that you're not a generic low-carber scared of "insulin spikes" and other momscience)

>>10817087
>what is some F O O D that we absolutely should not eat
PUFA, too much tryptophan/methionine, vegetables/starches can be problematic for many, too much refined sugar can be bad if nutrient intake is insufficient.

>>10835609
OP played himself. time to an hero
>>10826040
this
>>10826742
>trying to reason with a retard that believes everything that comes from government-funded shitGO's
>>10817125
>doesn't understand the distinction of murder from killing
>>10835567
kek

>>10817091
What about air fryers?

things that make you go hmm

>>10836978
>air fryer
misnomer, it's just an oven

>>10836379
If yiu do not understand the simple difference between natural sugars and added sugars (as well as blopd sugar), there is simply no talking to you. By all means, eat all the sugar you crave. Also, start learning how to walk on only one leg.

>>10837961
There is no difference between "natural" and added sugar.

>>10837986
The difference is in the "packaging", which leads to drastically different timeframes where the sugar goes into the blood.

>>10837996
No, it's literally exactly the same thing. Sugars don't get normally bound to anything and can be freely absorbed regardless of their source.

the scientific answer is that you should only eat plant-based and even then theres a lot thats bad for you (e.g. gluten, basically anything that's processed). If you enjoy junkfood thats cool but youre not living the theoretical healthiest you could be.

>>10838025
should I not make seitan then?

>>10819388

Protein and Fats are more important for brain function than Carbohydrates baka nutritionlets

>>10832570
>Try to get fat on a high sugar diet. You soon become so sick of it that you won't be able to keep your weight unless you remove the sugar.
>I don't like too much sugar so surely nobody does right guys? Right?
Literally every obese and horribly unhealthy person I know puts insane quantities of sugar in their hot drinks and are eating simple carb shit all day. They eat like 20g of protein tops because they are poor and carb addicted.

>>10835288

>>10838483
Not an argument (he is correct by the way)

>>10826074
Well you definitely don't go to the gym

When you see a bunny, do you wanna bite its throat or pet it?

That should tell you what to eat.

>>10839171
I'd love to torture it endlessly
What should I eat? Bonus points if it enables me to build muscle

>>10839192

roadkill. they have suffered a great deal.

>>10839171
What about when you see a braised rabbit on a plate? I think this is the one that tells you if you should eat it.

>>10839256
rabbit is unironically a food you should never consume without fat and carbs when you try to survive in the wild. If you're starving, never eat a rabbit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning

Anyone care to share a basic grocery list for someone that wants to completely overhaul their diet?

>>10817087
>buffet drinking cherry coke

no longer feel like a consumer pleb

>>10821075
>eat more bread

i want to cross post this to /fit/ for bantz

>>10832570
>Try to get fat on a high sugar diet. You soon become so sick of it that you won't be able to keep your weight unless you remove the sugar. Even with tea fully saturated with sugar you won't be able to do it.

>your feelings affect reality
>a starving person wouldnt eat sugar because they are "sick of it"
Fucking lol youre just full on retarded or shitposting.

>>10838477
>Literally every obese and horribly unhealthy person I know puts insane quantities of sugar in their hot drinks and are eating simple carb shit all day.

define "simple carb shit".

>>10839869
There is nothing particular about rabbit meat that makes it unsuitable for human consumption, it's just too lean to provide enough calories. It's still better than nothing, you just can't survive on rabbits alone in long term.

>>10840108
I didn't write anything like that. Of course that your feelings affect reality, if you feel like starving you will get fatter, you will lose weight if you don't want to eat more. Your body also will convert only very little to fat, it burns the rest off even if you over eat quite a bit. You would have to consume something like 6000Cal of sugar a day to trigger any meaningful weight gain.

>>10840232
>You would have to consume something like 6000Cal of sugar a day to trigger any meaningful weight gain.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, Jabba

>>10840375
The rate of lipogenesis is typically 5-10g/day, less in obese people. Look it up.

>>10817087 Processed food including junk foods. Anything sugary except fruit. Anything not organic. Also less meat and no red meat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat_production (it can also be bad for health).
And baked goods that aren't whole grain.

In general a lot more vegetables and foods of the mediterranian diet.

>>10840232
>i didnt right anything like that

>what is an implicit

You are 100% trolling, retarded, or underage.

>>10840611
kill yourself

>>10840738
Isn't there an european island where the population live incredibly long and healthy that basically have this diet?

>>10838014
what about fructose?

>>10840750
the entire west

>>10840661
Yes, your feelings influence how much you eat. Any other implication is in your head. Yes, it used to be "common sense" that people who eat only grain will eat far too little.

>>10840756
It's called "fructose" because it's in fruit. Fructose doesn't use insulin at all. It has been shown to causes some negative effects in rats (i.e. copper depletion) but those have not been confirmed in humans. We may be better adapted to eating it than rats.

>>10840756
>>10840909
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3261305/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30469339

>>10840750
ikaria island. secrets to their longevity:
- no stress
- physical activity
- lots of beans and veggies
- no processed food
- very little meat (but i guess as long as its not processed nothing proves red meat is unhealthy if the rest of your diet is good)
- moderate portions
- they also drink several glasses of their homemade wine per day.

>>10841048
also in terms of fat, only healthy fat:
- olive oil, goat cheese, nuts, fatty fish

>>10817087
Eat locally produced food, buy a wok, it's fast to cook lots of fresh vegetables and meat, then learn to make easy sauces or buy lots of different sauces that are good on meats and veg and serve on rices, potato's and pastas.

>>10841060
And tortillas, I forgot those, chicken fajitas are awesome but you have to brine the meat, brine all white meat chicken with appropriate seasoning for your dish

http://www.island-ikaria.com/about-ikaria/Ikarian-Food-Diet

>>10841060
>buy a wok
Wok is a horrible cooking method it's too hot it kills vitamins and burns oil

>>10835842
>Olives
>bad for you
>fried food isn't
hahahahahhaha murrican/10

>>10841093
your pp small lol

>>10841121

>>10841079
use lower heat

I just noticed we actually are a hivemind
I'm slowly getting hungry

>>10833520
What was your father's diet like?

>>10817250
Not all plastics have BPA

>>10817087
You are what you eat. It's literally true. I just try to eat as high quality food as possible because that makes me high quality be default.

>>10841121

>>10817087
The best food is almost always sperm and period.

castor beans, wormwood, certain fungi?

bro they all lied about insects and protein, just gotta get that sweet cockroach farm and unleash yourself a real man meal.

>>10817125
>Meat and any other animal product since it’s produced by murder

>>10843801
also anti termite and hornet

>>10843799
some companies are working to make insect protein powder. it's the protein of the future.

>>10817087
bugs. especially if you're Caucasian. their carapaces have proteins that we don't have the ability to break down and will end up causing damage to your system. don't fall for the leftist bullshit.

>>10835902
they're also the most feminine race. every Asian chick I dated is pretty based, "I don't like Asian men, I'm not racist but I don't like black people"

>>10824710
heroin generally doesn't cause any health problems and has actually been show to increase your lifespan but slowing your internal processes. people can survive their whole life abusing opiates. usually complications arise either from fillers(in pills), cuts and infection (from IV use).

>>10817087
Just moderate your consumption of any type of food and you shouldn't have a problem
It's true that we should avoid everything that is fried or related to red meat, but eating those once in a while won't affect you in the long run

>>10844612
mealworm protein is comparable to bean protein

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/10/10/1357

>>10844629
sure, maybe, but it's got nothing on beef liver.

>>10841048
Seriously I don't buy into this a little bit of wine being healthy myth. I don't see how it could be healthy except maybe for helping socialize (maybe also reducing cortisol in that application?) and minor benefits of minor dosages of resveratrol. Do you have something that shows otherwise?

>>10841197
This thread didn’t make me hungry maybe you’re just highly susceptible to suggestion

>>10817087
>Warren Buffet live fine by it
Nouveau riche as fuck, basically a peasant who got good at investment and made billions, but still a peasant with rube tastes.

>>10844684
I dont know I dont buy it either. I'm sure the wine has nothing to do with the longevity; they could stop drinking it wouldn't change anything. But being a little drunk with your friends when you live in a fucking island where there is nothing to do makes life more pleasant anyway.

>>10837170
this is the dumbest post ive ever seen on 4channel (formerly 4chan)

>>10839914 Start with some vegetables, legumes and pseudocereals only.

>>10817087
High Fructose Corn Syrup
>webmd concludes it's safe

>>10817087
The dose makes the poison.

>>10817091
Maybe, but the only centenarians I ever knew were farm folk who grew up eating fried everything. They also worked their asses off and were in great shape before decrepitude finally got them.

Of course citing a few anecdotal cases does not prove anything, other than it can be done if you do it right.

>>10817121
Or maybe he knows he ain't going to live forever but is going to enjoy what he likes while he is alive. Not a terrible approach to life.

>>10823140
Cloaca is much more disgusting than a vagina.

Cooking is a process.

So is washing.

So is chewing.

>>10839869
You should never eat JUST rabbit. Rabbit is fine with other foods. Refusing to eat a rabbit when you are starving would be stupid.

>>10844885
You might also tend to live longer on a small island with the same people year after year after year if you have a glass of wine and socialize more easily, as opposed to letting tensions build up until somebody shanks you.

>>10817087
Buffet shill McDonalds and Coke because he's heavily invested in that garbage. He's always selling, that's his shtick. That shit is terrible for you. Go plant based. No sugar. No flour. No refined or processed shit. Meat occasionally is healthy but animal suffering is a terrible thing and animal agriculture is a massive contributor to global warming so limit or eliminate it from your diet on those grounds.

Lift weights to increase muscle mass and walk an hour a day.

>>10821075
If you switch veggies and grains and then turn it upside down that's my diet

what's my life expectancy?

>>10821058
Supplement you faggot.

>>10847975
>walk an hour a day.
There's new studies out on walking. "Getting your daily steps" is somewhat of a meme. It's instead better to walk briskly at a pace "where you could hold a conversation but not sing". Walking is fine but if you're looking to lose weight then you'll want to change the quality of the walk itself.

>>10847906
The ones that grew up on farms often got first use soil, rich in nutrition and minerals in a way on virgin soil is not,
But you just don’t see all the people that died. Honestly anyone making it to 100 is 90% genetics.
>>10848257
If you want to lose weight you should lift heavy things in compound movements so your RMR goes up.

>>10847998
90

>>10827009
your kidneys are guaranteed to give out in a couple years tops

>>10848006
>faggot
Why the homophobia?

>>10830649
The medical community doesn't take vegans seriously and views them as quacks cherry picking flawed studies and misinterpreting the results (if they even try to take a nutritionist stance).

Seeing is believing, just check out what these Vegan "nutritionists" look like yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJnPZgLHHWQ

>>10817087

Don't eat gluten. Your health will be better even if you're not intolerant.

>>10848544
Why the homophilia?

>>10817125
this but unironically

>>10848539
why???
>>10848567
lie:
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/vegetarian-and-vegan-diets-q-and-a/

>>10848704
The UK's national health service isn't a credible source on academic nutrition - and they not only didn't provide any links to studies which unanimously proved vegan diets were at all suitable for grown adults, let alone children - their advice is tantamount to ensuring "you get all the vitamins and minerals you need", the most common source being supplements, since they aren't found in the nutritionally-absent food that composes almost the entirety of that diet.

Your own source is saying "popping pills" is the answer to not becoming malnourished on a vegan diet, forcing you to take medication for the rest of your life.

Think about that - if you have to take synthetic drugs to keep you alive, maybe you have a debilitating condition that isn't normal.

>>10848704
Why not? You've yet to answer why in terms of social psychology, societal acceptance of homosexuality is in fact more beneficial for men and women, than it is the minority, in terms of archetypes and bonding.

>>10840909
You dont know the difference between an implicit and inference. This combined with your inability to identify implicit conclusions and assumptions in your argument leads me to assume you are retarded.

>>10817125
what's the difference plants die too

>>10848539
Is it the salt in his breakfast?
t. eats oat porridge with milk and sultanas for breakfast and is mildly worried

I'll say anything that raises your dopamine so no carp no sugar also lower your sugar level you don't want to get diabetes or Alzheimer.
all you need to is eat vegetables, fish, meat, and not all the fruit is the same some raise dopamine and high on carp and eating too much of them will do the same and that applies to nuts too.
and you don't need to eat that much you can be fine with 2 meal.
and I didn't mention that almost everything in the supermarket is trash and harmful to you and drink a lot of water.
in short anything that makes you addicted or fatigued or lowers your Testosterone.

>>10848710
You've moved the goalpost so far that I cannot see it anymore.

>>10817087
>what is some F O O D that we absolutely should not eat
Beef.

>>10849172
>demanding reputable longitudinal studies from across both sexes, races, and age groups, to actually prove your diet is suitable to sustain and thrive off of, both in adolescence and adulthood, is "sealioning"
Yeah, I too wish the liberal bias for racial egalitarianism could disprove divergent evolution in homo sapiens but it seems we're both shit out of luck :^)

>>10849172
>"please substantiate your claims with actual evidence"
>mUh GoAl PoStS
Were you recently lobotomized?

>>10850055
I don't need longitudal studies (O wonder if you even know what it means) to refute your claim that the medical community thinks something about vegans, unless you want to claim that the NHS is not medical community.
>sealioning
I see it as an indication you know exactly what you're doing and I will consider you a troll from now on.

>>10850219
>I don't need longitudal studies
No, all you need are books written by quacks that appeal to your confirmation bias - the unification theory of liberal politics and politically correct science

>>10850219
>you a troll
Nice exit strategy - back to your plebbit hugbox with your snake oil and zero fucking studies

>>10817087
Everything is bad for you, at least that's what it seems like.

>>10849387
beef liver is incredibly nutrient dense.

>>10850265
Yea that's because every liver is: eat pig or poultry liver every now and then.

>>10817984
They use this for polyacrylamide electrophoresis gels. It is extremely dangerous to handle the acrylamide. My lab instructor didnt know what acrylamide really was

>>10848907
I accept your rebuttal and answer it by advocating a fruit-only diet.

>>10850407
Fruits die too so I advocate a seed-only diet. It's completely ethical since beings are not alive until they're actually born.

>>10843801
holy throwback old af meme

>>10847910
or maybe he would have lived to be 150 but because of his poor diet he will only live to 100

>>10826848
>the way you make rats fat is that you feed them a lot of fat
That's because fat is more calorically dense.

>>10852129
Yeah, because basically every researcher ever is either so dumb that they can't figure out that they need to feed them isocaloric diets, or they are of course shills for big sugar.

>>10852129
>>10852137
Rats are normally fed ad libitum, unless there is a good reason to do otherwise. They don't get fat except on a high fat diet.

>>10817087
>should not eat

>>10852014
Newfag detected. Get on my level.

>used to drink soda and juice monthly
>friend told me it was diabetes
>now i just have one soda when i'm at a party
>swapped juice to oranges
All those years wasted, oranges are delicious.

>>10835594
he refused treatment and said that fruit would cure him
>>10844620
ozzy wasn't using medical grade opiods or clean needles, my point still stands

>>10852338
uma delicia

>>10817087
Processed food of any kind. Sugar, most oils, even the healthier oils should be moderated. Meat consumption is associated with an increase of all cause mortality, I still eat it, just less of it. Fried food.
GMOs aren't actually bad, they are definitely thousands of times healthier than what has previously been mentioned.
Most of you don't have the same healthcare that the billionaire has, you should stay away from these foods unless you want to end up like the average 600 pounders from the southern US.
Introduce more unprocessed plant foods into your diet. I eat whole oats every morning with a small amount of sugar and some almond milk and it's based. Cheap, easy to prepare, nutritious and tastes good. Sweet potatoes are also cheap, easy and super nutritious but I don't like the taste much.

>>10852798
>he refused treatment and said that fruit would cure him
He did receive conventional treatment. He also lived far past the median survival duration for patients with similar cancers. If anything, refusing to have a whipple procedure performed may have helped him live even longer, as it has a fairly low success rate (only 1/5 survive 5 years) and it is usually accompanied by gastrointestinal issues.