/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10843030
No, but I do agree with stripping senile racists of their titles and banning racebait shitposts on /sci/.

>>10843034
true

>>10843030
No. But if your study shows that blacks have much lower average IQs than white, i do believe you need to be sensitive about how you talk about that.

>>10843030
If public interest is getting rich richer, then it's censored, we noticed.

Maybe blacks just found out that they don't have to perform that much on the paper, it took me some time to realize, that more is on the paper, more is expected from you and your reward remains disproportional to your efford by folds every time you perform.

You spend time to perform on paper, and then they mine your ideas like a fucking dogge coin.

>>10843034
heh, does he even care? you can strip his meme titles given to him by some sjw, but its impossible to strip him of his discoveries in science no matter how bad you dont like him. This cis straight man is a science God whose contributions will dwarf anything trannys and sjws have ever produced in 1000 years.

>>10843034
He held those views when he was much younger too

>>10843034
But the racism is correct. Africans have a demonstrably lower cognitive capacity than whites.

>>10843135
He’s also mentioned that Chinese have an advantage in IQ as well compared to himself.

>>10843039
Shut the fuck up you fucking faggot. The good thing about third world rule coming to the western world in the next 50 years is that retards like you might get your heads sawed off with a dull knife by the state.

>>10843030
Lel but nigs being retarded being exposed is pertinent information for the public to hear and is in the public interest to know. Blacks constantly make less money because of their differing cognitive capacities, but people pretend that it's some sort of pervasive, systemic white racism. Not releasing IQ data results scapegoating whites and stoking rape and revenge narratives that are based on lies. Whites are totally, unbelievably fucked in the next 50-75 years ROFL. It's fucking over.

>>10843135
That is not entirely correct. Whites can derive more informations from the same amount of data, but with significantly increased risk of errors.

Whites are hghly susceptioble to fatal errors in thinking, like aswering incorrectly to the (relatively trivial) task on the left.

>>10843030
Fuck nigger

>>10843030
You can't accurately measure the intelligence of a group as large and widespread as a race without the collaboration of all the world's nations in a global census. Anything smaller scale than that is inherently cherrypicked.

>>10843154
A and 7?

>>10843157
you can look at the level of economical and social development of different countries and determine accurately enough which ones have higher iq and higher ability to learn and advance and which ones have lower

>>10843162
Yes, but most whites asnwer A and 3. Only a tiny minority can solve it correctly.

What he said is clear to everyone, it's just that certain shadowy authorities don't want the public to do anything about those facts

>>10843030
How do you determine when science goes against the interest of the public?

I've seen no convincing evidence to even make a conclusion on this subject.

>>10843183
>compared to only Natives
surely Canada and the United States should be about +40 from the Europeans from the Natives before them

>>10843183
>tfw from Singapore going to Russia

>>10843030
Aging is a horrible disease

>>10843197
read my mind :(

>>10843183
who exactly is emigrating to south America, and specifically French Guyana ?

>>10843183
Just to make things clear, Qatar and UAE are wealthy nations, nobody's likely to emmigrate from them, in fact the majority of their populations are immigrants.

>>10843197
>>10843198
Take magnesium, manganese and copper.

Avoid too much calcium, iron and zinc.

>>10843204
>Qatar and UAE
Qatar and UAE dont take in "doctors and engineers" from africa despite them having similar culture and religion, they all go to sweden, france and uk, thats why qatar is doing so bad and sweden is.. oh wait..

>>10843030
>his statements are reprehensible to our mission and values
Of what relevance are their "mission and values" to scientific inquiry?

>>10843034
fuck you nigger

>>10843054
truth

>>10843171
Do you have a source for white people being especially bad at this task?
I would assume it's correlated with g, and that blacks and other NAMs would be even worse at the task.

>>10843167
again, countries are too small of a group to represent an entire race.

>>10843199
French Guyana probably counts as France.

>>10843030

Do you agree with using science as a tool for dehumanizing groups of people so you can justify segregation and discrimination again?

>>10843639
Does answering a question with a question make you more comfortable with disturbing results?
I don't know why anybody is at all surprised that there are IQ differences between groups, it's not like there's a celestial entity with his thumb on the scale making sure all of his creations are equal.

>>10843139
?
>I don’t like that you think people should discuss sensitive topics with sensitivity
>i hope you die for holding your opinion
Hmm

>>10843197
>>10843198
He had the same views when he was young.

>>10843030
no i believe in free speech

>>10843034
fpbp

>>10843183
third worlder here, this is true. I left my country to pursue a master degree abroad because if i stayed where I am it would've been impossible for me to get a job. and if i got a job i will have to suck my bosse's dick day and night and i won't be able to do anything outside the box at all which will lead me to suicide. i prefer serving our white overlords rather than those fuckers back home.

>>10843639
>Do you agree with using science as a tool for dehumanizing groups of people so you can justify segregation and discrimination again?
That's not ever going to realistically happen in the future of the developed world.
That said I would definitely be in favor of segregation here in the US. Blacks were never really meant to just be turned into regular citizens and mixed in with everyone else. You get the impression that's normal because that's how everyone's raised and taught to think now, but originally it was clear the situation involved a nation and its citizens and trying to figure out how to handle an entire different people post-emancipation.
Would have made a lot more sense to go through with the original emigration plan where freed blacks would all relocate to colonies where they could manage their own affairs freely and independently from the US. But most didn't want to leave and Lincoln was shot before he could follow up on the idea any further.
I don't think any intellectually honest person actually believes the US would be worse off if it were still the more generally homogeneous nation of people from European descent it started out as. The race based crime statistics alone make that pretty clear.

>>10843154
at least you acknowledging that there are racial differences in cognition is a start

>>10843030
He should publish a rigorous study to demonstrate his claims. That would be the scientific thing to do.

There's a difference between not giving a racist a platform, and censoring science. If he had actually done any science to back up his racism you might have an argument but instead he literally just said things like "if you've ever had to work with a black person you know how dumb they are."

>>10843030
The best interest of public/society is what produces the most benefits. If that means going back to the dark ages, thats what public will get.

>>10843030
>Do you agree with the censorship of science when it goes against the interest of the public?

The liberal progressives will destroy anyone for even Questioning their core belief that "everyone is born exactly the same"

>>10843241
>>10843171
So, why is it A and 7?

>>10843822
What I mean to say is, it's A and 7 because the rules won't be violated by there not being a non-A on the backside of 3, only by there being a A on the backside of 7, or a non-3 on the backside of A, right?

>>10843034
>no, but yes
What did the mongoloid mean by this?

>>10843822
A, because when the other side is not 3, the rule is violated. (and you kwno it is false) 7, because then the other side is A, the rule is violated and you know it is false. Whatever there is on the other side of 3 has no effect on the rule - either there is A, and the rule is not violated, or there is another letter and the rule is not violated.

>>10843030
Yes.

>>10843030
>science in 2019

kek

>>10843139
>haha my country is in ruins and we're experiencing a brain drain
>but at least I showed those anons who talked about iq on /sci/

There are people out there that think places like this are filled with doctors and engineers and the only thing that prevents them from building skyscrapers and airliners is a endless series of bad luck.

It's fuckin funny.

>>10843639
Have you ever considered that segregation is better for humanity on the whole?

>>10843912
That’s a good point, but barely feasible anymore

>>10843914
If it's pheasible technologically, I was thinking of sending terraforming equipment to a prospective planet and then sending white colonists to the planet afterwards.

>>10843914
>>10843941
For some reason I got it in my head that feasible was spelled with a ph, I'm fucking retarded

>>10843912
>segregation is better for humanity on the whole
[citation needed]

>>10843034
based and redpilled

>>10843951
Why wouldn't you want to concentrate and ensure that good genes are kept?

>>10843914
>That’s a good point, but barely feasible anymore
the only thing standing in the way of it is politics

>>10843135
>But the racism is correct.
No it isn't.

>>10843951
>citation for a subjective political opinion

Not possible. You can make a good argument that flooding first world with third worlders will result in thirdworldization, tough.

>>10843978
>thirdworldization
Not a thing.

>>10843976
It is a plausible hypothesis at least.

>>10843960
>>10843978
Ah okay so you don’t really have arguments, it’s just more feels over reals, got it.

>>10843986
>hey we need to make sure that good genes are preserved because they're so rare
>HURRR YOURE UPSET
I'm a conservationist not a supremacist

>>10843981
It is happening in western Europe as we speak. Turns out there is no magical mechanism that will turn Arabs into Europeans just by the virtue of moving into Europe.

>>10843989
Okay anon, so what do you feel are the good genes?

>>10843986
I have plenty of arguments, but not many scientific citations, because this is not a scientific matter.

> feels over reals

welcome to politics

>>10843996
Genes coding for high average intelligence would be a good start.

>>10843981
Please go visit a "fully integrated" refugee town in Europe.

>>10843997
>this is not a scientific matter
then go peddle your bullshit somewhere other than the science board, faggot

>>10843996
Any gene that increases fitness. So genes that promote intelligence, resistance to diseases, those that increase the dietary capacity, etc., etc..
I get the sense that you don't actually have much scientific knowledge and are just here to leftypol astroturf.

>>10844000
Why would it be a good start? Because you feel it? How are you going to measure such a thing? Let me guess, the good genes just happen to be the ones associated with your specific ethnic group?

>>10843982
>It is a plausible hypothesis at least.
Goalposts successfully in orbit.

>>10843992
>It is happening in western Europe as we speak.
Nope.

>>10844004
Ah okay so let’s breed all the fit people together of various races and make a super race.

>>10844010
Have you ever heard the phrase "everything but the kitchen sink"? You can't just throw shit together and expect it to work. You need careful planning. You clearly have never taken a biology course, so why are you here?

>>10844014
>Have you ever heard the phrase
Have you? Because it doesn't mean what you seem to imply it means.

>>10844019
Oh you're just baiting

>>10844021
Whether I am baiting or not the answer is a google search away.

>>10844023
(You)

You had your time already so if you're eager to turn US into some LA creatura de americano infested marxist shithole led by jews and their thralls then I am okay with this. It doesn't matter so much tho because chinks will surpass you in few years anyway. Mi

>>10844014
Why can’t we plan carefully then? You seem to be really against racemixing, even though you claim to want to save all the best genes. Why can’t we pull the best genes from all the races? Just admit that you want to save your own race and that this whole “best gene” thing is pseudoscientific bullshit

>>10844006
>Let me guess, the good genes just happen to be the ones associated with your specific ethnic group?
Nope, more so with east Asians. Not everyone is as selfish as you, advocating only what benefits their own ethnic group.

>>10844026
Thanks, (You) too.

>>10844028
I didn't say we couldn't, I said that we should, and I'm not against racemixing. I just think that random indiscriminate crossbreeding won't produce a better mixture of genes.

>>10844010
>Ah okay so let’s breed all the fit people together of various races and make a super race.
Okay. Would be better than current dysgenics for sure.

>>10844037
>I just think that random indiscriminate crossbreeding won't produce a better mixture of genes.
Survival of the fittest.

>>10844037
>random indiscriminate crossbreeding
When did I ever say that?

>>10844040
That only works in an environment that has evolutionary pressure. Humans lack that in most first world nations

>>10844041
I didn't say that you said that, I was saying that that is what I am against

>>10844040
>Survival of the fittest.
Does not apply in modern civilization.

>>10844031
>Not everyone is as selfish as you, advocating only what benefits their own ethnic group.
kek now you’re just shitposting at this point

What makes me so fucking mad about this is that there was no hatred behind his comments
He was genuinely trying to help, trying to come to a solution for everyone, but in doing so we have to realize some hard truths

God, this make me so mad

>>10844047
Convenient lies > inconvenient truths

>>10844042
>That only works in an environment that has evolutionary pressure.

>>10844043
>Does not apply in modern civilization.

Imagine thinking evolutionary pressures just disappear when the environment changes.

>>10844053
Humans don't live in an environment, we live in a glorified zoo that we built for ourselves

>>10844047
>trying to come to a solution for everyone
Would you say it would be a final solution?

>>10844055
>Humans don't live in an environment

>>10844055
A zoo is an environment

>>10844064
Okay retard, compare infant mortality rates, the population, rates of different diseases, the average lifespan, the cancer rate, almost every single metric. Can you not see that we have undergone a drastic change from any kind of natural order?

>>10844070
>Can you not see that we have undergone a drastic change
Can you not see that any drastic change doesn't make us not in an environment?

>>10844070
What’s “natural”? An unnatural environment is still an environment.

>>10844073
>>10844076
I should have said "natural environment" in my initial post.

>>10844078
No shit.

>>10844081
So can we go back to the initial discussion now that this semantics autism is done?

>>10844082
What was your point?

>>10844078
You should have said "I'm sorry you are correct evolution does still take place but the selective pressures are not the same ones that would exist without modern technology."

>>10844086
You're right, I'll concede that

>>10844085
My point was that in modern, civilized environment, 'survival of the fittest' breaks down

>>10844088
>My point was that in modern, civilized environment, 'survival of the fittest' breaks down
But it doesn't, The modern environment just changes the definition of fittest.

>>10844091
In what way?

>>10844091
So poor people who depend on government hand outs are “the fittest” in some definition?

>>10844092

>>10844096
That is one niche that some fit into. But on the other hand they are unlikely to actually spread their genetics very far. The fittest person would probably be a rich (playboy/serial rapist) who impregnates many women all over the country. Also before you say "that's immoral" research duck sex.

>>10844053
>Imagine thinking evolutionary pressures just disappear when the environment changes.

They dont disappear, but they do change, and current evolutionary pressures are such that humanity is genetically dumbing down, instead of the opposite before modernity.

>>10844106
>But on the other hand they are unlikely to actually spread their genetics very far.

But they are. Poor people depending on government are by far the most evolutionary succesful major group in modern times. Your dumb argument about a rapist does not change this.

>>10844106
Poor and stupid people have higher birth rates . though. There's a correlation between both of those factors and a higher birthrate.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/
https://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/SSR2014.pdf

>>10844109
>current evolutionary pressures are such that
>humanity is genetically dumbing down
I have yet to see evidence that this is true in parts or in whole.

>>10844106
How many women these days do you think carry their rape babies to term?

That definition of “fittest” is retarded.

The problem is the people most likely to breed these days are ones who don’t actually net contribute to the society that enabled them to breed. Literally parasitic behaviour.

>>10844117
They also have a higher rates of death.

>>10844124
No they don’t. Everyone has a 100% death rate.

>>10844124
The point is that people with undesirable traits are outbreeding those with desirable traits. Which contradicts the claim that "survival of the fittest" applies in a civilized environment

>>10844128
Ok, smart guy. Death before having children.

>>10844130
>undesirable traits are outbreeding those with desirable traits
That is your opinion. Evolution doesn't care about your opinion.

>>10844124
Not a high enough one to offset their increased birthrate. More survive than would have before.

They have a relavtively higher deathrate, doesnt mean it still isnt lower taking into account modern life.

>>10844131
Source?

>>10844131
>>10844124
So why per capita don't they produce more offspring?

>>10844132
And the data doesn't care about yours

>>10844124
marginally so, and fertility rate already accounts for that, it is just number of children per couple

>>10844136
>do they produce more offspring
typo

>>10844132
>Evolution doesn't care about your opinion.
not an argument

>>10844142
It's literally the only argument I need.

>>10844155
So how do you reconcile the fact that the data goes against your argument? Wishful thinking?

>>10843030
Only the elite should have access to science. It is much too hazardous to be left in the hands of normal people.

>>10844156
He used the higher deathrate argument without taking into account its relative to the other data sets. Do you really think he's smart enough to admit when data doesnt support his arguement?

>>10844158
I agree, the dark ages were kind of based in that regard.
>ywn be a monk solely tasked with the greatest facts humans have ever unearthed

>>10843030
this wasn’t censorship. you have the freedom to say what you want (even if it’s untrue) and people have the right to respond. James is a faggot and nothing of value has been lost

>>10844156
being poor isn't a genetic condition.

>>10844170
Being poor is partially the result of intelligence. A stupid person is no more capable of succeeding than a cripple of climbing a ladder

>>10844170
Genetic will influence weather or not you end up poor or not.

>>10844171
>Being poor is partially the result of intelligence
utter horseshit

>>10844177
Elaborate, I need a good laugh

>>10844170
there is a correlation

https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/Intelligence-and-socioeconomic-success-A-meta-analytic-review-of-longitudinal-research.pdf
Oops, I dropped this by accident

>>10844177
ok, what the actual fuck, now you are just trolling us

>>10844177
There’s a very strong correlation with IQ an income levels. Pretty easy thing to study.

>>10844188
and even stronger correlation between IQ and academic achievements

>>10844180
I go to USC, and the amount of rich, well connected students that don’t know jack shit is staggering. I’m baffled as to how they got in ( though with the college admission scandal that broke a few months ago, I’m not really that baffled). also, not to mention the thousands of millennials across the country that are financially struggling despite good grades and going to college. it’s about how rich your family is, and who do you know.

>>10844031
>Not everyone is as selfish as you, advocating only what benefits their own ethnic grou
it's way more people than is popular to admit, and there's a tipping point where you're just choosing to lose on principle when every other race of people is willing to work collectively.

>>10844201

>>10844201
being the child of a rich person is not the same as generating a high income.

>>10844201
Your personal anecdote does not discount 100s of studies on the broader population.

>>10844201
Nice anecdotal evidence.

>also, not to mention the thousands of millennials across the country that are financially struggling despite good grades and going to college

Their birth rate is very low, too. It is those that never get into college that have high birth rates.

>>10844208
he says, despite citing zero sources on poverty being correlated with iq

>>10844216
I posted it 7 minutes ago: >>10844184

>>10844177
Wrong, Im from a poor part of the UK. Most of those who were smart in school have gained wealth and have a better standard of living, whilst most who were retarded have either remained poor or have a worse quality of life than before. for instance I myself was about typical average working class descent same as the rest of family. Ive just finished my BSc and have good career prospects, and my cousin in a similar field has become rich due to her being smarter. If I was retarded then I would remain in the same shithole as Im in now.

Sure some people live in poor conditions that dont allow them to make use of the higher intelligence to become richer/gain a better standard of living. But its relative and there exists outliers when they will gain a better life due to their greater intelligence. Poor people on average will have a lower intelligence.

>>10844188
>>10844196
It's almost as if being wealthy allows you to go to better schools and devote more of your time to education.

>>10844216
should we source that water is wet, too?

>>10844224
Which would imply there was no correlation between IQ and income levels.

But that’s not the case.

>>10844224
It's almost like being intelligent allows you to become wealthy.

Nurturefags are being btfo today, feels good

>>10844230
>>10844231
It's almost as if education makes you intelligent.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797618774253

>>10844208
>>10844214
>>10844215
it’s not anecdotal though. dumb rich kids getting into prestigious universities is such an epidemic, that the fbi has to go undercover to bust the whole operation. and this is probably just a small portion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_college_admissions_bribery_scandal

>>10844232
Nurturefags are one thing, but to outright deny correlation between intelligence and income? He is a total retard.

>>10844224
As much as IQ is a meme it takes that into account as intellect and knowledge two different things. You can know jackshit yet be smart enough to find out and complete complex stuff. You can be know loads of shit by having a good memory but if you cant use it well then you wont (most likely) get a good job and succeed in life.

>>10844236
Stop trying to distract from the fact that the data indicates otherwise. You've shown yourself to be motivated by personal biases more than actual information

>>10844234
It is almost as if intelligence allows you to get an education.

>>10844242
>I didn't even read the abstract.
We know.

>>10844236
Those "dumb rich kids" are still above population average.

>>10843951
>segregation is worse for humanity on the whole
[citation needed]

Besides, he clearly asked if you considered it, he didn’t state that it was so.
>other peoples political beliefs are subjective opinion but mine is not.

>>10844236
Wow a few rich cunts in the US and other countires get free passes into unis. Im sure this will negate the data where thousands of other students who get in fairly, and that simply going to college doesnt mean you are smart as you could still work a shit job after getting a meme degree, which most of the rich cunts do.

>>10844245
I did, does not contradict aything I said at all. Education raises intelligence, and yet intelligence allows you to get an education. Those tow statements are not in conflict.

>>10844247
>are still above population average
>have to higher a high iq jew to inflate your test scores they’re so low.
>are still above population average

>>10844254
Those high IQ babies are so smart to birth themselves into top school districts. I wish I was smart enough to do that.

>>10843034
Cringe and bluepilled.

>>10844254
>yet intelligence allows you to get an education
factually incorrect

>>10844254
>intelligence allows you to get an education
how?

>>10844259
Their parents are smart enough indeed, and the babies inherit those qualities.

>>10843981
Burger education everyone

I’ve been in europe for the past three weeks and everyone acknowledges the effect immigration has had on germany and sweden, but burgers literally think it’s right wing propaganda, while simultaneously believing that europe is far more progressive than the united states.

>he's still posting
>he still hasn't acknowledged the sources provided that contradict him
>he's still using isolated events and anecdotes
Why are you even here? You clearly are not someone with any kind of scientific training. Anyone with that training and a shred of integrity would have admitted that they're wrong at this point

>>10844263
[citation needed]

>>10844256
*hire*

>>10844264
>>intelligence allows you to get an education
>how?

Someone please explain it to him, I am at a loss of words.

>>10844224
you cant be educated into having a higher IQ

>>10844278
see>>10844234

>>10844276
>Someone please explain it to him, I am at a loss of words
Thanks for proving you don't have an argument.

>>10844271
I know it's one anon because of the timestamps on his posts too

>>10844268
>inherit
Indeed, environment is a heritable trait. And part of that 50-80% figure that gets thrown around.

>>10844236
their parents bribing them into elite degree programs wouldnt necessarily mean they could actually perform the high value work that would generate a high income. Are these kids becoming petroleum engineers or going back home to work in their parent's business?

>>10844288
>environment is a heritable trait
I am unironically confused about the definition of heritable in the scientific literature. Is this actually true?

>>10844289
A child bribed into a degree program with money is more likely to complete that degree than a child with no money that can't even go to college.

>>10844278
wrong

>>10844264
if youre not smart enough to master some level of education then you cannot advance to the next level even if (supposedly) you could afford to attend the program.

Wow a whole 1-5 points! That surely will bridge a standard deviation!

>>10844296
>even if (supposedly) you could afford to attend the program
This is where the problem originates.

>>10844300
Per year idiot.

>>10844289
>their parents bribing them into elite degree programs wouldnt necessarily mean they could actually perform the high value work that would generate a high income
yes, it does. they would just be incompetent at it. why do you think their are so many incompetent businessmen, politicians, executives etc. not to make this political, but just look at trump.

>>10844264
>>10844263
I’m not that guy but isn’t it obvious that your quality of education is a function of your intelligence, that’s why brainlets study communication, faggots like me who can’t into math study bio, and autistic jews study math and physics

I guess he could have phrased it as quality instead of being so black and white

>>10844305
And poor people don't study anything because college costs money.

>>10844234
>we found consistent evidence for beneficial effects of education on cognitive abilities of approximately 1 to 5 IQ points for an additional year of education.
So what are the IQ gains for additional years? Is there a limit? Do high IQ students get more gains than students starting off at a lower IQ, or the other way around?

>>10844291
Yes, heritable often includes common environment

>>10844288
Environment is heritable, but not all that is inherited. Genetics also plays a significant role.

>>10844303
I posted this to try and bait this reply out of you. You actually think the effects are going to follow some linear function. That's not how nature works.

>>10844294
Not if they are dumb.

>>10844312
The study literally says otherwise.

>>10844313
If you can't go to college you can't get a degree dumbass.

>>10844313
see>>10844304

>>10844320
Dude, why are you even here? You're clearly too dumb for /sci/

>>10844313
And there's the point.

The rich kid example is an anomaly because the normal rules for success and failure don't apply to them. It doesnt matter what their IQ is. They could be vegetables.

>>10844323
(You)

>>10844304
>why do you think their are so many incompetent businessmen, politicians, executives

You dont really need a degree to do many of those jobs. Also, your average successful businessman, politican or executive is well above average in intelligence. Even Trump. If you deny this, then it is obvious you live in some kind of an ivory tower, not in the real world.

>>10844323
>dude, your arguing against me, you’re clearly dumb

>retardanon is STILL posting
Stop arguing with him, just laugh

>>10844330
>well above average in intelligence. Even Trump.
Has trump ever been fairly tested for IQ?

>>10844326
>It doesnt matter what their IQ is. They could be vegetables.

Wrong. Being rich helps, but intelligence is still a factor. A literal retard is likely going to even get into college, no matter how much money and connections paretns have.

>>10843197

>>10844304
You're really playing semantics here.
It is my intent by saying "they can't" to mean "they would be incompetent at it"
The point I'm making is that the high value jobs are highly valued because of what they produce. A petroleum extracting firm cannot afford to give millions of dollars to osmeone who doesnt produce value in return.

Now I concede, and it is an important point, that there are forces at work which place incompetent people into places of wealth and power because of their identities. A valid concern, but not one which answers the questions about success and IQ.

>>10844330
not anon you’re replying to, but trump is low iq. you honestly think he’s smarter than the average person?

>>10844337
I mean unless what? They buy a college like the Stanfords did? Or all the CEO jobs George W Bush held in rapid succession because he kept destroying the companies.

It's something that happens, but it has it's own explanation. It's a separate phenomena with a different cause.

>>10844344
Donald Trump, sitting US president, is most definitely smarter than the average person, yes. Do you fucking know how dumb the average person is? I dont think so.

Likely he is not smarter than average politician in high politics, tough.

>>10844291
Wikipedia page for heritability:
>Heritability estimates are also inherently limited because they do not convey any information regarding whether genes or environment play a larger role in the development of the trait under study. For this reason, David Moore and David Shenk describe the term "heritability" in the context of behavior genetics as "...one of the most misleading in the history of science" and argue that it has no value except in very rare cases.[29] When studying complex human traits, it is impossible to use heritability analysis to determine the relative contributions of genes and environment, as such traits result from multiple causes interacting.[30]

>>10844344
trump is 73 years old, I think there is mild dementia at this age in most people

>>10843030
>Gloomy about Africa's future
indeed

https://voxeu.org/article/it-s-too-soon-optimism-about-convergence
https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/jel.20181207&&from=f

>>10844374
All but two of the countries that have achieved negative economic growth per capita since 1950 are Sub-Saharan African, the other two are Haiti and Afghanistan

>>10843034
>>10843030

Facts > muh feelings
No matter how many faggots are triggered

>>10844389
You are quoting a narcissist who regularly ignores facts to support his feelings.

>>10844385
Look how many grew though... Also realize they're still heavily in war from decolonization.

And also, who cares? Are you advocating for treating them as sub-humans or something?

>>10844347
>>10844351
>/pol/acks rushing over to defend trumps iq
fucking kek

>>10844385
and if anything there has been divergence, not convergence towards developed industrialized nations

>>10844409

>>10844406
Listen to Trump when he was younger. not an example of an exceptionally bright mind but also not a stupid man

>>10844420
>not an example of an exceptionally bright mind but also not a stupid man
A ringing endorsement.

>do 10% of the work, get 90% of the credit for your major achievement
>spend the rest of your life coasting on your theft not doing anything but taking up spots that could be real scientists
>be senile and rambling, but championed by /pol/ because "HE TRIGGERS DEM' LIBS"
Literally peak boomer

>>10843941
No! You can't send any great minds off the planet to form a new society! You can't do this, you can't! They are obligated to stay here and help feed the niggers!

>>10844420
by /pol/ standards, sure, but being able to speak without drooling is not that well-regarded here (except for people like the OP of this thread, of course)

>>10843641

They aren't disturbing results, the means of using them is.

>>10843669

>That's not ever going to realistically happen in the future of the developed world.

I'm not talking about what's realistically going to happen. I'm talking about but what white supremacists are trying to peddle.

>>10843912

If you're a racist then yeah, I'm sure it is. That's why you are pushing for "race realism".

>>10844202
>looking out for your best interest is a losing strategy
Most people move to the West for their own bebefit, not because they dream of working collectively. Most immigrants also self-segregate and many never assimilate.

African Blacks also don't score that high on international large-scale assessments

>>10843030
>no studies show this racial difference is due to genetics, but he believes it anyways
wow what a great scientist

>>10844494

>>10844487
>race isn't real but we should legislate to help black people
Lmao @ ur life

Someone should plot /pol/ leakage in all the boards as percentage of posts. Its literally a disease board.

>>10843030
Yes, because there would be consequences for the release of controversial evidence.

Depending on the society, consequences can range from benign or lethal.

A good rule of them is: just stay a way from people in general.

>>10844499
Your mind exists in a whole other world steeped in race obsession, goddam.

>>10844505
A few years of ethnic cleansing isn't so bad. The result is a brighter future.

>>10844504
How do you feel about Direct Democracy?

>>10844014
>You can't just throw shit together and expect it to work.
You actually can
>You need careful planning.
You don't. It tends to work far worse than just "throwing shit together", because genetics doesn't work in such a neat, predictable way.
>>10844058
That could be sterilizing everyone who is too easily offended.
>>10844330
>>10844347
The case of Trump is that politicans had been downplaying their intelligence to the point that nobody noticed the candidate was actually retarded.

>>10844509
>The result is a brighter future.
Really? A future where everyone knows that you are a murder. Imagine the pushback

>>10844509
Foreigners or minorities doing graduate studies on decent fields will always and forever be above all /pol/tards. More people like that instead of boomers that keep obsessing about color would lead to a better future.

>>10844494
They also don't have quality public education.

>>10844499

Haven't implied either of that but thanks for the response I guess.

>>10844522
Murder can only happen between humans. It doesn't apply to the beast races.

>>10843034
Remember to dilate

>>10844563
> Murder can only happen between humans. It doesn't apply to the beast races.
Regardless of what you call you're victims is not going to change the fact that murdering them will piss them off. If I throw a stone at a wasp's nest, and say "don't worry. They're not human" is not going to change the consequence that I will wind up in the hospital.

>>10843883
But this is retarded. The picture says that the rule is either true or false for all 4 cards, so all you need to turn is A.

I wish retards abstained from making "IQ puzzles" if they don't even have a basic mastery over the english language.

If you censor information than it's no longer science.

>>10844156
Source for this data?

>>10843154
wouldn't it have to be A, 3 & 7?

Just because A has a 3 on the back doesn't necessarily mean the 3 has an A on the back, and vice versa.

>>10843822
You can reword the same logic puzzle and people perform a lot better at it:
There are four people in a bar, each one has an age, and each one has a drink. You only know either their age or their drink:

Age | Drink
?? | Whiskey
28 | ??
17 | ??
?? | Coffee

The rule is: You can only drink alcohol if you're over 18. Which people do you need to query to see if the rule is being followed?
Obviously you need to check the one drinking whiskey and the one under 21.

The most common mistake in that puzzle is people turning over the '3' card, but that'd like asking the 28yo what they're drinking, whatever is one the other size isn't relevant to the rule

>>10843034
Based, only person with an IQ that makes a starved, lobotomized San bushman actually thinks these threads and this discussion is actually about science.
Every single negative reply to this post is just a /pol/tard upset someone is wise to their bullshit, they're just attaching to science because it's trendy not because they actually care about anything related to the freedom of information.

>>10844816
Read it again, it doesn't claim A is behind 3, only that 3 is behind A, you only need to flip A

>>10843171
And niggers can solve it better? lel

>>10844876
Ah, I see. Me thinks I need to order some reading comprehension books

>>10844876
you still need to flip 7 to see if there is an A

>>10844854
>their bullshit
What part is bullshit?

>>10844042
>That only works in an environment that has evolutionary pressure. Humans lack that in most first world nations
When will this brainlet-tier meme die? There's tons of evolutionary pressures. Being a libtard or worse a feminist is hugely evolutionarily disadvantageous for instance, and yes such behaviour is based in genes. There are huge pressures for behavioural selection going on. Being predisposed towards fatness is another evolutionary disadvantage, and so does anything that might cause you to die early more often or fail to reproduce or attract a mate, like being a manlet (although apparently people above 6'1" also have less children than people of normal height, so it kind of balances out).

Only brainlets like David Attenborough say things like "hurr evolution stopped because child mortality is gone", when all that changed is increasing genetic load. I'm more and more convinced that only a handful of people actually understand how evolution works.

>>10843154
A and 3 need to be flipped
and I would rather overthink shit than be incapable of complex thought

>>10844922
Every single thing attached to their politics, unless you think this actually is concerned with the science and freedom of information.

It's really amusing when /pol/tards degenerate into "nuh uh I'm just a concerned person interesting in fact" mode when their actual politics is just "kill non-whites".

>>10844120
Wat? Lower IQ people and poorer people (and therefore also lower IQ) have been reproducing more at least in the UK for 200 years (there's a graph of that somewhere but I don't have it).

>>10844053
People's lower fertility is itself a sign of changed selection pressure and strong selection pressures, the main selection pressure having to do with the usage of contraception. Evolution is selecting for people who are disinclined towards using contraception, that means people with a more innate inclination towards religiousness and dumb people who are too dumb to use contraception. That means that within a few century if this goes one fertility rates will go back up because all the low TFR people will have bred themselves out of existence while the high TFR types will have taken over.

>>10844070
The problem is that you clearly don't know what the word "environment" means in this context.

>>10844106
When the people who derive their current evolutionary advantage from being parasites (welfare queens and so on) will outnumber the childless taxpayers then the whole thing will collapse and we'll go back to poor dumdums dying of starvation while the smart and capable get theirs and thrive. That is if they can stop sterilising themselves.

>>10844922
You are a clown and every non-/pol/tard here can see it. Just do as you do when called out; wait for the thread to die and try again in a few minutes hoping most people are too tired to disprove you.

Keywords to show its bullshit:
Blacks in America have the IQ of whites from the 60's and growing.
White IQ has remained, for the first time, constant, making it reasonable to believe they will catch up.

>>10844956
>Wat? Lower IQ people and poorer people (and therefore also lower IQ) have been reproducing more
Not genetic not verified until you actually have a citation.

>>10844956
>welfare queens
Not real.

>>10844938
>Every single thing attached to their politics.
If you say "every single thing [people with X political affiliation] say" is bullshit, I know you're full of shit. So cut the crap and say something specific.
>You are a clown and every non-/pol/tard here can see it.
I'm not a "pol-tard" but it's very interesting how you call me a "clown" for asking a question, you unhinged jackass.

>>10845004
Last one meant for this retard >>10844962

>>10844177
I've always found it funny that everybody understands that if you have two brothers, one with an IQ of 120 and one with an IQ of 80 then one is clearly more likely to make 6 figures than the other, but if you say that poor people are poorer partly because they're less smart then you get denials and shocked reactions. People are rather bad at connecting the dots.

>>10844237
>but to outright deny correlation between intelligence and income? He is a total retard
It almost sounds like we're talking about NN Taleb

>>10844344
Trump suffers from American retardation. White Americans have a normal IQ, but you wouldn't know it by listening to them speak because they're ignorant and believe dumb things.

>>10844409
How could they converge when all their people with an IQ over 90 are bailing to other continents?

>>10844541
Why do Indians and Koreans born and raised in Uganda or Kenya, getting the same education as everybody else, still beat all the niggers in tests and math contests? I love how people who claim to believe in evolution basically don't believe that thousands of generations of separate evolution with different selection pressures and give different results in the brain, when most of the genes that do anything do things in the brain. Like they don't believe that there's any way a breed could be less smart than another on a genetic level due to evolution, like that's just not possible at all.

>>10845004
>Every single thing they say is bullshit
I didn't say that at all, I said specifically their politics is bullshit.

>>10845006
>Why do Indians and Koreans born and raised in Uganda or Kenya, getting the same education as everybody else, still beat all the niggers in tests and math contests?
Is this a thing? You would have to provide some sort of citation on a math and science board.

>ITT: seething /pol/tards

>>10843639
Acknowledging that different groups have different levels of intelligence or abilities does not mean you are dehumanizing them, in the same way that animal cruelty is not okay, and treating brainlets badly just because they are brainlets is also wrong.
Maybe you are the bigot. You seem to think that only people and beings that are as mentally capable as you deserve humane treatment.

It also does not mean that extraordinary individuals can't be told apart.

>>10845035
>in the same way that animal cruelty is not okay
But we regularly kill millions of animals.

>>10845041
wew
For food. You don't eat black people.
It is an absurd comparison.
Even then, it's not a binary thing. It's obvious that that a difference between human races is much smaller than between average humans and animals.

>>10845018
>muh citations
See that's the problem when talking to ignorant people, they don't know anything they should know so you have to find "citations" for all the things that you found out years ago so you can spoonfeed them. To satisfy them one would have to autistically keep a list of URLs for every facts they learn.

>>10845054
>i feel this way so you should too
>that's my evidence
go away from /sci/ please, you dont know how this works

>>10845004
very low effort troll or middle schooler that fell for meme propaganda ?

>>10845017
No, you said "every single thing attached to their politics".
>>10845081
no u

>>10845051
>It's obvious that that a difference between human races is much smaller than between average humans and animals.
Tell that to >>>/pol/.

>>10845101
>Every single thing attached to their politics
Yes their fucking politics, can't you fucking read? Everything attached to their POLITICS. Not science their POLITICS.

>>10845054
This is why we try to keep /pol/tards out of /sci/.

>>10843782
No, this is not a liberal belief nor has it ever been a liberal belief. I imagine maybe some whackadoodles have this belief but this is not held by liberals in general by any stretch of the imagination.

What liberals have been asking for since the 1950s is EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY.

The #1 reason why people choose a home is for good public schools. This means that only the wealthiest citizens get access to the best educations. In order to counteract that we ask for increased funding to poor, primarily minority schools and programs such as bussing for children from poor neighborhoods into wealthy ones.

The problem is this shits on the ability for rich people to ensure their wealth is passed to their kids while fucking over the poor and minorities so they make shit up in order to get gullible idiots such as yourself to vote with them.

>>10844903
Or a 3 or another D

>>10845054
LMAO the perfect post to describe /pol/

>>10844820
That's a much better explanation, thanks.

>>10843030
Not serving as a proxy for poorly defined, ill concieved """opinions""" is not censorship and is 100% not science. Crick, who has a history of holding crank beliefs, happens to be a useful figure that can be used to push radical, racist ideas that advance a supremacist snowflake worldview. Getting stripped of awards is merely a way to discipline irresponsible, loose-mouthed behavior and has nothing to do with science or censorship.

>>10843669
>The Holocaust never happened
Don't even bother. I can already see the mental acrobatics you've trained yourself for.

>>10843782
Nobody says or thinks this. You're just parroting /pol/ talking point #478483 without further reference or thought.

>>10845004
No he's right. The average /pol/ automaton merely uses science, happenstance, or anything else as an instrument of their snowflake-identity agenda. Just look at """gamer-gate'''"" and how what should have been an actual discussion on journalism ethics, was actually just a guise to continuously a specific group of women that triggered them. Not surprisingly, the same gamer-gate herd festered and evolved into the modern day shit/pol/ster, peddling the same old identity hang ups of the past in reflavored, meme-current language.

The focus is never content, is their special little ego for which, as dead mediocre people who can barely even interact with mom, desperately relies on group signaling and grandstanding.

>>10844962
>Blacks in America have the IQ of whites from the 60's and growing.
>White IQ has remained, for the first time, constant, making it reasonable to believe they will catch up.
[CITATION NEEDED]

>>10845209
nailed it. a great example of this is alex jones "water turning the frogs gay"
the TINY bit of actual scientific fact around this claim (altrazine turns a certain hermaphroditic frog into the opposite gender, forget which way) is automatically lost when you use it incorrectly as a "fact" for your point.

>>10845444
>nailed it. a great example of this is alex jones
Why do you lefty shills all talk the same? Normal people don't talk like this.

>>10845432
This is probably a huge waste of time since /pol/tards can't even read but whatever...

Nice book on how the gap is narrowing, and how in special cases like black kids raised by white parents result in a dramatic improvement
https://books.google.com.mx/books?hl=en&lr=&id=Ywb7r1oOxJYC&oi=fnd&pg=PA1&dq=black+and+white+IQ+&ots=xqx2SY0bjv&sig=v4DPLayGtRMqA_yAXMci8aXNCfw#v=onepage&q=black%20and%20white%20IQ&f=false
(sorry for the shitty link)

Black IQ growth: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9280.2006.01802.x

The big role of family socioeconomic status in IQ
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0273229706000529

The change in IQ in america of 3 points per decade since the 1930s (so 82-87 IQ for the average male in the 1960s, compared to the 86 of current blacks in america)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4152423/

Showing how in Norway and Denmark whites IQs seem to have stopped, EVEN when controlling by 'race' (refugees and immigrants)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6042097/
http://www.iapsych.com/iqmr/fe/LinkedDocuments/teasdale2008.pdf

Its nice how everyone made fun of all of you in this thread, hopefully someday you will finally fuck off

>>10845556
>86 of current blacks in america
Imagine posting that as a defense of black iq. The average nigger has retard level iq by your own admission.

>>10845547
lol, when nothing else works and everyone keeps calling you out just insult them for whatever reason... pathetic. Specially when everyone at /pol/ can only talk in memes and 1930s propaganda

>>10845565
>1930s propaganda
ah yes i see

>>10845565
>le enlightened lib

>>10845563
They have the average IQ of your father when he was your age.

>>10843054
history is written by kikes and they will almost certainly strip him of his accomplishments.

>>10843030
BLACKS ARE BETTER AT SPRINTING
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>10843054
How are 'trannys' related to this discussion? lmao
Are you fucking retarded?

>>10845571
there being retards on the 'other side' doesn't make you any less stupid

>>10845563
The whole point of the post is to show they are likely to get even in a few generations, do you really not understand that ? holy shit

>>10843030
i am bothered by censorship in itself. it restricts my access to information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z2uzEM0ugY

now regarding this specifically, the problem here is the kneejerk reaction people have to this claim. they conflate someone saying "i think it's genetic" with "we should kill people". it's asinine. people should be able to make claims on the nature of intelligence without this nonsense reaction. imagine being so juvenile to get upset over fucking words. pathetic.

>>10845556

Thank god for them white genes pulling those mulattos out of the proverbial mud.

BLEACHED.

>>10845115

The great society and its entrenchment of poverty in black communities, as it has in poor white ones, has been more disastrous for black standard of living than AIDS, crack, and the drug war combined.

>>10845156
>radical, racist ideas that advance a supremacist snowflake worldview
>OH NOES THAT GUY FEELS SUPERIOR TO SOMEONE REEEE

>>10845115
>What liberals have been asking for since the 1950s is EQUALITY OF OPPORTUNITY.
they won't shut up about how equality of results haven't been reached and their claims about equality of opportunity are completely based on unfalsifiable narratives equating the two.

>>10845629

>reality is racist guys, should we just let honest debate take place and trust in humanity's ability to not want people lynched based on their differences as we've demonstrated in the last 40 years? Or should we tell obvious lies to people and dilute the meaning of accusations of racism through improper and overuse while making actual racists able to declare academic martyr status?

Face it. If ACTUAL klansmen ride through the streets on horses and sheets burning crosses, the world's anti racists would lose their minds over not knowing how to respond.

>>10843157

Literally one of the dumbest statements about data collection ever made.

>>10844938
>their actual politics is just "kill non-whites".
nobody has these politics.

>>10843167
That's actually retarded. It would mean that the Government is always a perfect representation of the people they govern, which in many dictatorships and corruption countries in Africa is just blatantly false; they don't have an alternative.

Same thing can happen in the US with socio-economic influence but you mention that and people always diminish it as having almost no influence. And they don't even make an effort to understand social and economic differences, so they just look at IQ scores and say "niggers stoopd lol xdddd".

>>10843972
No. What stands in the way of every /pol/lutant's dream is their own economic system they love so much. Capitalism seeks to destroy differences between cultures and societies to reduce marketing costs and expanding the market.

>>10843641
>I don't know why anybody is at all surprised that there are IQ differences between groups, it's not like there's a celestial entity with his thumb on the scale making sure all of his creations are equal.
First, we have to assume that IQ is the perfect indicator of intelligence as a whole (with intelligence being a multidisciplinary skill). Then, we have to assume that the low-level IQ creates low-level countries and communities (never the opposite).
And then, we have to assume that the debate is closed and that we should segregate/kill niggers.

That's what bugs me about this /pol/ retardation.

>>10843992
Immigrant crysis happen all the time in all parts of the world. Let 20 years pass and you'll see that practically nothing has changed for the people (especially because the ones who have to make the nation work are the ones at the government, not the normal people).

>>10845721
we don't have to assume any of those things.

>>10844047
There was no hatred, but there was prejudice.
Of course no one is meant to hate him, but we do have the right to ignore what he says.

>>10844937
The conditional has one direction, so only A needs to be flipped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_connective

>>10845728
Yet you do.

>>10844937
3 doesn't need to be flipped, it can either confirm the rule or be irrelevatn to the rule. This si probably the mechanimsl that makes you see meaningful information in random data.
>>10844820
>>10845144
It only seems better because you know it from memory.

>>10845739
You also need to flip 7 to check if it isn't A. (but that is a much less serious error than turning the 3)

>>10844576
If 7 has A on the other side the rule is not true.

>>10845115
>No, this is not a liberal belief nor has it ever been a liberal belief. I imagine maybe some whackadoodles have this belief but this is not held by liberals in general by any stretch of the imagination.

It has never been openly expressed. but they surely behave as if they do believe it.
>>10845006
The IQ 80 brother is still much more likely to make six figures than a IQ 120 person born poor.
>Trump suffers from American retardation. White Americans have a normal IQ, but you wouldn't know it by listening to them speak because they're ignorant and believe dumb things.
If they are so smart then why are they ignorant and believe dumb things?

>>10845571
really makes you think

>>10845664
You are not on reddit retard, everyone can go to /pol/ to see plenty actually do, retarded memes even inspired some shooters and by watching their reaction to the news right here it's clear they aren't joking.

I swear /pol/tards just keep getting dumber...

>>10845728
like 100 people and plenty of links showing the opposite in this very thread, do you see your dishonesty ? or are you so far up your """ideology""" that you just automatically block everything against it ?

cringe.

>>10843030
I don’t believe science ever goes against the interest of the public.

>>10844344
Trump is high iq, he made himself president. Yes good redoric is high in.
Dont fall for his Everyman act, bush jr did the same thing

>>10844201
>>10844214
He is right about school though.
93% of Ivy League admissions are not merit based.
A lot of them are because you had a relative that went.
Almost all of the students come from feeder high schools. A typical feeder prep school costs 30,000 or more a year. That is for high school. A price over half the median wage of average joe. That prices most people out of those schools. Or they go to a public feeder school, which happens to be in a rich district, which means you have to be able to afford a several million dollar+ house to go there.
So most feeder schools, where a super majority of Ivy League students come from, just means you are from a Rich family, not that you are smart. If you are falling behind those schools can provide tutoring and other help. And the education is better to start with.

>>10845889
No, trump won because ppresidents were acting dumb to the point when people elected an actual retard.

>>10845156
>Crick
That's Watson you dumb nigger

>>10845739
>conditional has one direction
the most common core bullshit I've ever heard in my entire life
none of this matters until humans are forced to speak with autistic machines

>inb4 but that's inevitable
yeah and so is civilizational collapse