/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10814999
>considering a lot of other mammals whose males and females are a lot more difficult to distinguish from a casual glance?
Well anon if you're a dog or field mouse its probably obvious to them what the opposite sex looks like.
Not to mention people have shitty noses (for mammals) so secondary sexual characteristics are more important since you can't just smell that shes a lady in estrus.

>>10814999
They aren't. Humans have low sexual dimorphism. You're just more conditioned towards noticing little differences in your own species and less conditioned to notice differences in other species.
>why is it that men are usually (not always, obviously) taller and more muscular than women are, and not the other way around?
Pregnancy is long lasting and crippling which makes women the sexual selectors. They mostly reproduce just by existing while men have to compete with a smallerer number of men reproducing with multiple different women each and other men not reproducing at all. It has the effect of a eugenics program for men where extremes like greater height, strength, and intelligence are selected for.

>>10814999 (OP) #
They aren't. Humans have low sexual dimorphism. You're just more conditioned towards noticing little differences in your own species and less conditioned to notice differences in other species.
>why is it that men are usually (not always, obviously) taller and more muscular than women are, and not the other way around?
Pregnancy is long lasting and crippling which makes women the sexual selectors. They mostly reproduce just by existing while men have to compete with a smaller number of men reproducing with multiple different women each and other men not reproducing at all. It has the effect of a eugenics program for men where extremes like greater height, strength, and intelligence are selected for.

it depends where you are in the world and what population
some are much more dimorphic than others

>>10815018

This, and if I might add, men must protect women while women are pregnant. That means fortifying and hunting. This naturally turns men into a protector, warrior, hunter class... this was all in the Optimum Theory video at around 1:20:00 or so, cannot remember where exactly.

Meanwhile, like you said, women are sexual selectors. They must be more choosy because they can only spread their DNA once every 9 months or so.

Women are judges. Men are doers. Both are necessary.

Its a huge mistake to think that men and women think the same, rookie mistake that a lot of young guys make. But always remember the first principles and things will be a lot easier, Red Pill theory is actually really helpful with a lot of this. Essentially, to attract women you simply need to prove that you can create a "nest of safety", you must display the ability to provide for yourself and others, and then just be healthy & fit. Being a "nice guy" or "asshole" has nothing to do with it. Then it is up to the woman to decide. You might not like her decision, and that can hurt, but move along. The number of women out there are practically infinite.

>>10814999
Any people named after sky in any language are low dimorphic. The biggest difference in sexual dimorphism in humans is brow ridge and and cheek bones. Besides curves.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050121100142.htm

>>10815214

6.5X more grey matter. Holy shit. Figured the difference would be closer to our muscle differences, 2x at most. 6.5????

No wonder we always have to simplify shit and water it down for them.

>>10815214
I want to thank you again for this, bro. Something just clicked for me. We are 6.5x smarter than then. I just called up this girl who is always getting mad at me and talked to her as simple as possible, not like a retard, but just smallest words and simplest sentences, and it worked! First time in months she hasnt gotten schizo trying to keep up with me. They cannot keep up! Its not their fault! Its impossible! Do not test them on this, they will always fail our "intelligence shit tests", so dont do it!

>>10815214
>>10815239
>>10815274
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811904006822?via%3Dihub

>>10814999

Differential reproductive success between the sexes.

That's what happens when 80% of one gender manages to reproduce but only 40% of the other does. Also why the Y chromosome is a mutated X chromosome.

There probably was a time when it was matched in a hermaphroditic species, then one of those hermaphrodites had alleles that made it spend more energy on being the "male" while spending less on bearing offspring and selection took off. Eventually those that had both male and female structures just couldn't compete against those that focused exclusively on impregnating others and individuals that then put all their eggs in one basket focusing on birthing offspring were preferred.

>>10815274
>We are 6.5x smarter than then
You aren't smarter than anyone.

>>10815239
>our muscle differences, 2x
I can't build muscle, men who can't build muscle and women have about the same muscle mass

>>10815887

How sad do you have to be to hassel me because my thumb touched n instead of m? Sure, I'll play along. Youre superior buddy. Good buddy.

>>10815900

The average woman has the grip strength of average 90 year old man.

>>10815274
>than then

>>10814999
Sexual dimorphism means males are in competition with each other for breeding rights

>>10815874
Is it just me or is 40% a really common number?

>>10816367
Nah. 13% and 50% are more common for some reason.

I like the numbers 2% and 44% more

>>10816370
I mean with regard to human reproductive success
I was listening to that michael woodley of menie guy talking about 40% historical child mortality and how the richer 50% of the population having 40% more kids surviving to adulthood than the lower 50%
so if only 40% of males were reproducing that's a third

>>10816443
Why?

>>10814999
The Sentinelese look gender neutral so i assume beings like Erectus had women that were men with just vaginas, as for why women look do different from us it could be that the mutations that made them look cute and beautiful were selected by men over the ones who kept the gorilla male with vagina look.

>>10815274
>>10815214
>>10815239
>The study shows women having more white matter and men more gray matter related to intellectual skill, revealing that no single neuroanatomical structure determines general intelligence and that different types of brain designs are capable of producing equivalent intellectual performance.
>“These findings suggest that human evolution has created two different types of brains designed for equally intelligent behavior,” said Richard Haier, professor of psychology in the Department of Pediatrics and longtime human intelligence researcher, who led the study with colleagues at UCI and the University of New Mexico. “In addition, by pinpointing these gender-based intelligence areas, the study has the potential to aid research on dementia and other cognitive-impairment diseases in the brain.”
Nice try but it's not that simple dumbass. The brain has many functions. When you say shit like "smarter" or "intellectual" you mean executive functions of the frontal lobes(the part of our brains that make us logical and able to plan). Also, YOU'RE not smarter than anyone seeing as you don't even know the meaning of the terms grey and white matter yet you open your mouth.
White matter=more myelinated neurons(myelin helps speed up conduction for transmission between neurons and are generally found more peripherally and in greater numbers in the spinal cord.
http://www.indiana.edu/~p1013447/dictionary/greywhit.htm
here is baby's 1st neuroantomy for you.
I guess here they are saying despite this general anatomic tendency of the brain, women tend to still have more white matter even in the cerebrum compared to men. Thus they make more connections between different parts of the brain.
Men have more centers for information processing but fewer connections between them.
This is why lay people shouldn't attempt to interpret scientific literature.
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>t. female neuroscientist.

>>10815927
I dated a rock climber in college.
>dat kung fu grip
Would highly reccomend.

>>10816998
>Oversimplifying everyone of one sex or the other is stupid
>I'm a girl by the way ;)
Why would you mention you're female? That really serves no purpose except to undercut your own argument.
Also there's a difference between data vs. interpretation.
The numbers on those particular sorts of grey and white matter is the data. The assertion these significantly different brain structures / compositions result in equivalent cognitive performance is more of an interpretative opinion than an actual finding.
Just because those anons didn't subscribe to the interpretation doesn't mean they necessarily misunderstood it. It's possible to find data of interest without agreeing with the source's opinion of what that data implies.

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>>10816998
>>10815274
>>10815214
>>10815239
Also, please try to understand the difference between cognition and brain processing/function.
Cognition relates to psychology: which is executive functions you think of when you imagine a smart logical human capable of well.. thought.
Brain processing includes all functions, such as sensation, movement, coordination.
>The study also identified regional differences with intelligence. For example, 84 percent of gray-matter regions and 86 percent of white-matter regions involved with intellectual performance in women were found in the brain’s frontal lobes, compared to 45 percent and zero percent for males, respectively. The gray matter driving male intellectual performance is distributed throughout more of the brain.
this was the most interesting part of the article to me, but it ways a lot about the differences in how men and women think. women are very "intellectual" in the sense that nearly all their brain function is them thinking/planning...about anything and everything. Everything they do is more intellectual;
Women are more likely to think in a more nuanced when way, combining multiple areas and concepts at once(good multitaskers, good memory, good at synthesizing many ideas or concepts at once.

Men compartmentalize more and have to do everything in a more stepwise fashion. The multiple centers or foci for integration(grey matter a.k.a. nucleus the cerebrum, ganglion in the peripheral nervous stem) may explain why men also have this "instinct" to easily pick up muscle memory/manipulating objects in space (coordination/spatial reasoning). Rather than intellectualize (men still think obviously, i'm not calling them hotheaded) they tend to just do.

tldr: both ways are perfectly fine ways of thinking. No gender is smarter than the other. They just accomplish the same tasks differently. Men tend to be better at navigating/directions and women at multitasking though.

>t. female neuroscientist

>>10817025
>women are very "intellectual" in the sense that nearly all their brain function is them thinking/planning...about anything and everything. Everything they do is more intellectual
Why do so few women go into stereotypically intellectual STEM careers if they're "more intellectual?"

>>10817032
did u read the post my man

>>10817015
>just because anon replied to an article about brain differences between genders with a completely ignorant and and logically erroneous conclusion about men being smarter than women that showed an obvious serious lack of even basic college neuroscience/anatomy knowledge(hell even biology 101) doesn't mean he has no idea what he's talking about.
No.

I mentioned I'm a girl just to show how ridiculous it is for him to think that just by virtue of being a guy that he's smarter than me when he's obviously a complete idiot.
Sorry, if I get a bit "emotional" when people are intellectually dishonest or obviously have no idea what they are talking about, even if it's a small chance that it could be bait. I guess, that's just my estrogen kicking in.
It's definitely not the most reactionary post I've seen on this shit site though. You, need only go to /pol/ for that one.

>>10817036
Yes.
Why do so few women go into stereotypically intellectual STEM careers if they're "more intellectual?"

>>10816998
I reposted the link here because it seemed interesting but I seriously question the reading comprehension of the majority of posters on this board
I just thought it was an interesting finding that there was that great a difference between the tissue make up of male a female brains, actually I'm now curious what gay brains look like?

>>10817056
My main takeaway from the article was how the symptoms of brain injury differ between the sexes.

>>10816926
cops have 40% domestic abuse rates despite making up less than 2% of the population

>>10817032
Given the similarities I just explained, I guess upbringing(gender roles), societal barriers, and sexism. You know, all the things feminists say it seems.

What does intellectual mean to you? I just gave you the definition of cognition. Debate about what's the highest form of study/subject aside, a philosopher, scientist, mathematician, and literature analyst are all academic intellectuals, no? They all think of theories and reason constantly; employ logic.
By saying "intellectual," I'm concerned with thinking...about "everything." This can be good but also has it's draw backs.
Good: multitasking, memory, high nuanced thinking, perhaps greater use of empathy(all humans are capable of this, but more USE)

Bad: people who think a lot are also more likely to be depressed; they ruminate more. Sometimes even overthinking.
Who has the highest rates of depression consistently? Women.
The only thing that prevents women from committing suicide more is probably lack of gun ownership and the tenancy to talk about their feels more with others.
Also remember, women have this tendency to want to help people directly. If they don't see engineering or computer science as a way to do that, they will not be that interested.
I think the way to get more women in STEM if you really want to know is attempt to foster interest by helping them see that engineering is super important for all our daily needs these days from operating a school to better teach, to operating a hospital/healtcare system to better heal. But really, it could be that lack of human interaction/connection that pushes many away from it. Most of the smart girls who AP out of science and math in H.S. still rather be doctors or work in business. That or math teachers, usually for kids(that's probably more gender roles).

I'll stand by the first statement, men and women both think fine, they just accomplish a given task in different ways.

>>10814999
They aren’t. Humans are not particularly sexually dimorphic. If you want a more standard example, look at gorillas or deer.

>>10817101
according to the figures I've seen women have a higher attempted suicide rate than men but seem significantly less successful than men at actually going through with it
gun ownership is a non issue since tall building, buses, knives and sleeping pills are all readily available, and the figures are consistent in countries without guns

>>10817115
It's easier to save a person who is injured from a fall, motor vehicle accident, knives, or sleeping pills than a bullet to the head or any vital organ really. A Bullet is a combination of high momentum and explosive injury.
Source? If it is truly consistent across countries even with gun ownership as you say, then I retract my statement and I guess it's women's willing to talk out their problems/express their emotions to others that saves them more.

>>10814999
>a lot of other mammals whose males and females are a lot more difficult to distinguish from a casual glance?

i can distinguish cat's and dogs' genders you faggot.

>>10817204
>I guess it's women's willing to talk out their problems/express their emotions to others that saves them more.
No, how could you conclude that when women try to commit suicide *more* frequently than men? Unless you're saying they fake suicide attempts as a way to get people to talk to them.

>>10817632
rabbits?

>>10817796
Perhaps sometimes. Suicide can be a cry for help when a person with depression or even bipolar disorder, that has no/lacks emotional support from family and friends. I have seen both men and women do this. It's not "just a way to get people to talk to them" (as if for fun or simple attention) when they are truly suffering emotionally and mentally.

>>10817796
Perhaps sometimes. Suicide can be a cry for help when a person with depression or even bipolar disorder, that has no/lacks emotional support from family and friends. I have seen both men and (though only 2 dudes in my life) and women. It's not "just a way to get people to talk to them" (as if for fun or simple attention) when they are truly suffering emotionally and mentally.

>>10817632
Well not everyone is an animal science/breeder autist like you so relax.

>>10817025
>t. female neuroscientist
More like t. autist

I guess women can be autists too.

>>10818094
Nice cope. Assuming that all neuroscientists are autists. I guess everyone smarter than you is an autist now.
And of course they can. Are you that retarded to not know even that? More so when it's just Asperger's or, Autism Spectrum Disorder, as they are calling it now.. A simple google search would have prevented your retarded comment.

>>10814999
human dimorphism isn't that big

>>10818151
>of course they can
It's comparatively rare, to the point where there's an entire "extreme male brain" model predicated in large part on the frequency of male autists and the paucity of female autists.
Temple Gradin's a good example of one. She's pretty interesting in general. Helped redesign the structure of slaughter house floors to make cattle go along with the process more cooperatively, something she accomplished because according to her own account she relates to farm animals more than people and could imagine what it would be like in their position and what sort of floor would be less disturbing and more acceptable from their perspective.

>>10814999
Why is there one reeeeeaaalllyyy huge difference between the pictures that isn't their face?

>>10818453
It's thought that obsessions being with stereotypical girly things hides the symptoms for females
We're all autists here by the way

[flip] woah great post [/flip]

>>10818453
>extreme male brain in autists
why is there so many autist trap/trans then?

>>10818558
The extreme male brain theory is actually retarded male autists are often shamelessly effeminate even if they are in some ways hyper-masculine E.G. pain tolerance.

>>10818075
t. Can't differentiate genders

hahahaha
I was good at this even before getting into the med college.

>>10814999
>Why are male and female humans so different from each other
because weak women had more children, so the weakness trait dominated. hyenas are on the opposite spectrum, the female hyena is bigger and stronger than the male.

>>10819203
Why would weak women have had more kids?

>>10818514
>It's thought that obsessions being with stereotypical girly things hides the symptoms for females
I think it's a lot more plausible most autists are actually just male. You already see extreme highs and lows of human behavior occupied by men in other contexts while women hang out in the normie average center area. Women are sexual selectors and drive more extreme risk taking from men who either end up complete retards or impressively adept top performers. Nobody's driving women to do the same since long lasting and high mortality pregnancy precludes having many children with many different partners and playing it safe is their better strategy.
>>10818589
>male autists are often shamelessly effeminate even if they are in some ways hyper-masculine E.G. pain tolerance
That's not about being effeminate, that's about the synapse pruning problem. Autistic brains, much like autists themselves, get autistically set in their ways and synapses are left unpruned to an abnormal degree, which is behind the "sensory overload" / low pain tolerance features of autism. If you remember when you were a young child you might recall how foods were way more intense and offensive to you if you didn't like them (a lot of young children hate seafood probably for that reason where they taste and smell too much at that age but learn to appreciate it later in life with far duller adult sensations).

>>10818558
>why is there so many autist trap/trans then?
They aren't actually feminine.
My personal head canon with the "autistic people falling for the transgender meme" phenomenon is that a normal person takes common sense and straightforward gut checks of the world around them as far more reliable than pure abstract arguments which aren't connected to the real world.
So for a normal person, the reaction to the transgender meme is:
>What the fuck? Why would you take female hormones and have yourself castrated and given a mockery of a vagina fashioned out of butchered penis flesh and/or your colon?
While for an autistic person, the reaction isn't to immediately reject it but to consider it on abstract grounds. They don't care (or maybe don't notice to begin with) how bizarre the proposition is in an immediate, visceral way like a normal person would. They evaluate it like someone evaluating what to do with the custom design of their video game character.
I think this way of understanding why they think like this on that topic lines up well with the suicide spike too. It's when they finally have the flash of insight about how what they did to themselves is deathly serious and real that they kill themselves, whereas prior to that it's just not something they're seriously registering.
Chris-chan's a good example of this. He started "identifying as a woman" mostly because he got positive feedback from people in that subculture. Someone talked to him about the transgender meme, he tried it because he's too autistic to immediately dismiss it as retarded, other people at some club he went to were nice to him, and he doubled down and continued on that path.

>>10820590
Anyone?

>>10817101
Yoir guess is wrong. Also you did not mention the differences in standard deviation nor in occupational interests (which mirror object preferences found also in other primates). How can you leave those important findings if you claim intellectual honesty? Also, by you use of the word reactionary, I ~guess~ you have political motives, ka.

>>10820628
it's not the gestation length it's the length of childhood

>>10821204
What do you mean?

>>10815018
>>10817111
These anons are right, humans have little sexual dimorphism. All I did was pop some pills and everyone calls me madam now, I don't even look that different.
>>10820638
Where did you get your psych degree anon?

>>10822301
cows also have a gestation length of 9 months but can walk within hours and breed at 12 months old

>>10822458
>everyone calls me madam now
yeah there's no way it's from the threats of legal action, disemployment, internet doxxing and subsequent property damage and physical violence, it's just because they can't tell you're a dude in a dress

>>10816370
nice

>>10822677
>>10816370
Am I missing a joke?

>>10822667
I don't think the local roadmen care about any of this.

>>10822458
>All I did was pop some pills and everyone calls me madam now
Everyone can tell you're a man still. This:
>humans have little sexual dimorphism.
Is true, but it doesn't mean male and female humans aren't very different looking *to other humans*.
Like any other species, we're extremely adept at noticing details relevant to our own species like sex and extremely bad at noticing the same even in a number of the species with objectively more pronounced sexual dimorphism.
Wouldn't work too well if male members of species having low sexual dimorphism couldn't tell their females from their males.

>>10822458
>All I did was pop some pills and everyone calls me madam now, I don't even look that different.
Why would you do this to yourself? There are people with real problems who have to deal with their body getting screwed up through no choice of their own. I don't understand why anyone would voluntarily take their perfectly fine, healthy body and start mutilating it with hormone disruption or genital surgery.
Although to be fair I'm way more disturbed by the psychiatrists and surgeons who facilitate this mind-bogglingly destructive and inane mutilation process than I am by the people who are somehow taken in by this idea.

>>10822848
>blacks and muslims are intolerant!
>they are just being nice to you!
lol make up your mind /pol/
>>10822875
>before the pills
>miserable, suicidal, virgin, neet
>after the pills
>happy, employed, boyfriend
>the pills are bad

>>10822921
>miserable
A lot of people are miserable, doesn't mean it makes any sense at all to start fucking up your 100% healthy and functional endocrine system. That's like responding to an itch by slicing yourself with a box cutter.
>suicidal
Being "suicidal" is deciding it might make sense to solve one or more problems with suicide, not really a problem in itself. Also suicide rates don't go down for people who go through transgender surgical body modifications / hormone disruption.
>virgin
Is it really that much torture to just keep to yourself and not have sex? Plenty of monks and hermits throughout history have done fine with exactly that.
>neet
Deciding not to work isn't a medical problem.
>after the pills
Yeah, no shit. Because you started obsessing over this transgender meme and built it up in your mind as a magical solution for everything unpleasant in your life. Pills didn't make you feel better; enabling your obsession did.
>blacks and muslims are intolerant!
>they are just being nice to you!
What are you talking about? It's not about being nice, it's about not wanting to needlessly put yourself into a confrontation with someone you don't care about at all. Same reason burn victims don't normally get told by strangers "hey, did you realize your face is really disgusting looking and screwed up?"
That's not "/pol/." It's common sense.

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>>10822990
The irony is you're the brainwashed one. Imagine declaring a century of medical research to be "the work of the Jews" all because some edgy kids online told you so.

>>10823062
When did I mention anything about jewish people? Are you honestly trying to suggest the only two options here are:
A) Subscribing to systematic pharmaceutical hormone disruption and genital modification surgery for perfectly healthy and functional people who believe they would rather be women or
B) Being a neo-nazi?
What the fuck?

>>10823074
This place is totally overrun by /pol/ it's not an unreasonable assumption to make. Okay I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not a Nazi but consider the following: We have a trained psychiatrist diagnosing someone with transsexualism and declaring they need treatment. Along you come claiming the patient is perfectly healthy and the psychiatrists treatment plan is quackery. On what basis? Please explain.

>>10823095
>We have a trained psychiatrist diagnosing someone with transsexualism and declaring they need treatment. Along you come claiming the patient is perfectly healthy and the psychiatrists treatment plan is quackery. On what basis?
Well first of all, psychiatry isn't meant to be directly involved in bodily / physical subject matter. It's the entire point of Axis III in the DSM. Psychiatrists are only concerned with physical maladies so they can *rule them out*. If a psychiatrist puts in a request for brain scans and the results come back showing a tumor, the patient will be sent to a neurologist for treatment.
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/diagnostic-brain-imaging-psychiatry-current-uses-and-future-prospects/2012-06
>For these and all other psychiatric illnesses described by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association, findings from brain imaging do not appear among the diagnostic criteria. Aside from its use to rule out potential physical causes of a patient’s condition, for example a brain tumor, neuroimaging is not used in the process of psychiatric diagnosis.
I would oppose hormone disruption and genital surgery for physically health people for the same reason I would oppose lobotomies for physically healthy people. In both cases non-physical psychiatry is being used to try to justify radical and uncalled for mutilations of the body.
Now if someone finds you have a prolactinoma causing you hormone disruption, THEN it would make a lot of sense to have a surgeon go in and excise it or have an endocrinologist prescribe pharmaceuticals to treat it.
The psychiatric industry has gotten seriously out of control in recent years. The antipsychotic Abilify was the best-selling pharmaceutical of ANY sort (not just psychiatric) a few years back. Antipsychotics are heavy duty, severely risky / harmful treatments, yet prescription creep has led to them getting doled out to anyone with mild insomnia or anxiety issues.

>>10823095
>>10823166
Also as someone who apparently identifies with the "LGBT" category of people marginalized over non-standard sexual orientations or roles, I would ask you how you feel about psychiatry's longstanding track record for medicalizing and abusing the human rights of homosexuals for example.
Why have so much faith in the same industry that ordered Alan Turing to be chemically castrated for the crime of being gay? This isn't ancient history. 1950s.

>>10816104
Lmao this image

>>10823166
Wow an actual well thought out argument, Guess you were telling the truth that you aren't /pol/
It's true that physical intervention for psychological problems is frowned upon with good reason but as far as I know it is used in treating transsexualism because psychotherapy was found to be ineffective. Mandatory surgery has been dropped anyway, Ironically only in right wing places does it continue to be required in order to have your gender legally changed. For most hormone therapy alone is sufficient and it's mostly reversible.
>Antipsychotics are heavy duty, severely risky / harmful treatments
Yet /sci/ wants this instead of relatively harmless hormone replacement therapy.
>>10823182
I don't think the medical establishment was responsible for Turing's fate, the justice system was. I do believe I have a mental illness, this has been downplayed because mental illness is heavily stigmatised.

>>10823491
/sci/ wants anti-psychotics for everyone. Especially you.

>>10818453
yeah...but you made it seem as there are no female autist is my point. Quit moving the goal post.
Asperger, they are finding a bit less rare in girls though.

>>10821193
I left those things out because I don't believe they matter that much more than social influences. I went on the thread that was discussing that study and said something similar.
I'm sure there is some slight propensity for each gender to more easily develop certain traits on average, but that doesn't mean the opposite gender cannot develop them to the same capacity if they try.

>>10823074
Huh, didn't know about this guy.

>>10823649
Autism is less diagnosed in women because it's not as much of a handicap in women. All women have to do is be pretty, their personality doesn't matter whereas a man has to be charismatic and confident so autism means they are fucked. In addition being quiet and withdrawn is seen as a good thing in women, not at all for men.

>>10821175
Because men are naturally inclined to protecting women even more when they are weak

>>10814999
Bumping for the night.

>>10822458
Only out of social pressure. Most people find you disgusting or strongly avoidable, and that's just Westerners, every nonwesterner does practically by definition. Our biology is not tricked by mere words and socially conditioned pieces of cloth, everyone can see clear as day male traits in you, probably stronger than ever due to the contrast.

>>10826251
>>10821175
>>10820590
>>10819203
That's just appearance and social trickery. Weak women can't carry a child to full term and give birth without dying or miscarriaging. Though it is true women are much weaker than men in every sense. You are now aware that everytime a woman appears vulnerable or cries she is naturally and automatically engaging in a primal tactic to control you.

>>10815274
>>10815239
>>10815214
>In general, men have approximately 6.5 times the amount of gray matter related to general intelligence than women, and women have nearly 10 times the amount of white matter related to intelligence than men. Gray matter represents information processing centers in the brain, and white matter represents the networking of – or connections between – these processing centers.
> women have nearly 10 times the amount of white matter related to intelligence than men
Great intellectual honestly guys.

>>10826936
Thanks

>>10826975
Sexist.

>>10818558
Autogynephilia

>>10817040
>>10817101
I wanted to tell you that guy was obviously joking and you're right about women being as smart as men, but now I feel like taking that back since you're spouting environmental nonsense and actually used the commie word "reactionary." "Reactionary" is an inherently anti-scientific word invented to denounce criticisms aimed at the church of egalitarianism when their experiments go awry.
>"black kids do poorly in school and play with white dolls over black dolls"
>"what should we do?"
>"let's integrate the schools!"
>schools are desegregated, by force
>black grades stay the same
>white grades drop
>white kids get bullied into increasing suicide rates
>black kids even more likely yo play with white dolls
>"uh, I think we fucked up, we need to change things back"
>"oh? I didn't realize you were a REACTIONARY!"

>>10817101
Lel the reason women have higher rates of depression now is because they just ride the cock carousel to the point where they have lost the ability to feel "love" any more. Which in turn destroys them mentally

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>>10820638
Let me paraphrase your argument:
>anti-trans people are motivated by knee-jerk emotional reactions
>pro-trans people reach their conclusions through cold, detached logic
That is literally what you said, and this is suppose to be an anti-trans diatribe. You people might gain more ground if you didn't come off as so mind numbingly stupid.

>>10828389
If it's Fry?

>>10828413
>Let me paraphrase your argument
No, but good job demonstrating how autism works.
It's absolutely *not* a normal or healthy behavior to respond to any of the most ridiculously fucked up propositions imaginable with an equal amount of willingness to entertain them as you'd have to the proposition of going for a stroll around your neighborhood or grabbing an ice cream from a convenience store.
You're supposed to have some basic level of visceral front line revulsion that kicks in for ideas like "have you ever tried eating your own fecal matter?" or "maybe I'd feel more comfortable if one of my legs were amputated."
Being detached from reality and requiring abstract logic to navigate through common sense scenarios that wouldn't even register as decisions at all for most non- mentally ill people is a horrible sign.
By analogy people with cerebral ataxia rely on deliberate / conscious attempts to maintain their body posture and shamble along for however much pseudo-walking they can manage through the way their body and movement looks through their eyes. In contrast, normal people without this problem simply rely on automatic balance and don't think about it at all ordinarily when they maintain their posture or walk from one place to another.
The two cases (autism and cerebral ataxia) are super-similar in that both involve impairment to something ordinary automatic and non-thinking (common sense and balance) that necessitates more conscious and less effective workarounds (applying abstract logic to questions that would be obvious for non-autists and applying eyesight and deliberate movement of muscle groups that wouldn't be necessary for non- ataxia sufferers).

>>10829601
>It's absolutely *not* a normal or healthy behavior to respond to any of the most ridiculously fucked up propositions imaginable with an equal amount of willingness to entertain them as you'd have to the proposition of going for a stroll around your neighborhood or grabbing an ice cream from a convenience store.
"Normal" behavior is not rational nor is it defacto healthy or optimal behavior. The normal response to being set on fire is to run around screaming till the flames consume you, which is why "stop, drop, and roll" is drilled into your head as a child.
>You're supposed to have some basic level of visceral front line revulsion that kicks in for ideas like "have you ever tried eating your own fecal matter?" or "maybe I'd feel more comfortable if one of my legs were amputated."
There are logical reasons not to partake in coprophagia and self-amputation that can be parsed in less than 30 seconds. Individuals who do these things are acting on same blind emotional impulse you are appealing to. However if you let your normal knee-jerk revulsion to cutting off a limb rule you when it's pinned under a rock in the wilderness with no chance of rescue, your revulsion will get you killed.
>Being detached from reality and requiring abstract logic to navigate through common sense scenarios that wouldn't even register as decisions at all for most non- mentally ill people is a horrible sign.
*Common* sense is only applicable to *common* situations, and even then only sparingly. It fails completely if you're on fire or pinned under a rock and has no value in the situation of an XX man or someone whose brain develops identically to the opposite sex. If you can understand how useless common sense is, you don't belong on this board.
>The two cases (autism and cerebral ataxia) are super-similar in that both involve impairment to something ordinary automatic and non-thinking (common sense and balance)
Autism has nothing to do with "common sense," idiot.

>>10814999
x and y chromosomes physically contain different DNA

>>10823095
Wasn't that long ago we considered lobotomy to be a cure for all violent mental health patients. Just to let you know; high IQ people made these decisions.

>>10829790
Lobotomies were widespread and worked most of time. The practice only fell into disfavor because of a handful of horror stories popularized by the media, not because it was malpractice.

>>10830031
Sauce?

>>10816104
This would have been ebin if the chad/s was/were Christian/and Muslim

>>10814999
Pregnancy takes a lot time

>>10830031
No, they stopped being done because pills did the same thing without turning you into a husk

>>10829694
And there's why you fell for the transgender meme.
You're an equivocating lunatic who can't even bring himself to agree literally eating his own own shit is an abhorrently bad idea.
Serious analysis isn't called for with inane propositions, and when you're mind-blind and autistic with an inability to grok commen sense then horrible but not "logically incorrect" decisions are what follow.
You know what causes the majority of delusional behavior seen in stroke patients? Right hemisphere strokes. As in the *left* hemisphere is untouched and is the one responsible for patients insisting vehemently that their own paralyzed arm doesn't belong to them and/or isn't paralyzed "oh, that's my brother's arm doc, not mine!" / "sure I can move my arm still, I just don't want to because I'm tired."
It does this not out of a lack of logical correctness but an EXCESS* of it. There is nothing logically invalid about the proposition "my arm isn't paralyzed, I'm just not moving it because I'm tired." Yet such a claim is *intuitively* untrue and delusional.
Abstract logic is great for some purposes but absolutely not healthy for all purposes. Kurt Gödel's another great example. Few would accuse him of failing to grasp abstract logic (wouldn't be a stretch to call him one of the greatest logicians of all time). He died of starvation because he didn't have a way of knowing for sure his food wasn't poison. Again, no logical flaw there, only an intuitively obvious act of mental illness to those who have the faculty of common sense as an alternative to pedantic abstract logical analysis.
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https://msktc.org/tbi/factsheets/Understanding-TBI/Brain-Injury-Impact-On-Individuals-Functioning
>For most people, the left half of the brain is responsible for verbal and logical functions including language (listening, reading, speaking, and writing), thought and memory involving words.

>>10829694 #
And there's why you fell for the transgender meme.
You're an equivocating lunatic who can't even bring himself to agree literally eating his own shit is an abhorrently bad idea.
Serious analysis isn't called for with inane propositions, and when you're mind-blind and autistic with an inability to grok commen sense then horrible but not "logically incorrect" decisions are what follow.
You know what causes the majority of delusional behavior seen in stroke patients? Right hemisphere strokes. As in the *left* hemisphere is untouched and is the one responsible for patients insisting vehemently that their own paralyzed arm doesn't belong to them and/or isn't paralyzed "oh, that's my brother's arm doc, not mine!" / "sure I can move my arm still, I just don't want to because I'm tired."
It does this not out of a lack of logical correctness but an EXCESS* of it. There is nothing logically invalid about the proposition "my arm isn't paralyzed, I'm just not moving it because I'm tired." Yet such a claim is *intuitively* untrue and delusional.
Abstract logic is great for some purposes but absolutely not healthy for all purposes. Kurt Gödel's another great example. Few would accuse him of failing to grasp abstract logic (wouldn't be a stretch to call him one of the greatest logicians of all time). He died of starvation because he didn't have a way of knowing for sure his food wasn't poison. Again, no logical flaw there, only an intuitively obvious act of mental illness to those who have the faculty of common sense as an alternative to pedantic abstract logical analysis.
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https://msktc.org/tbi/factsheets/Understanding-TBI/Brain-Injury-Impact-On-Individuals-Functioning
>For most people, the left half of the brain is responsible for verbal and logical functions including language (listening, reading, speaking, and writing), thought and memory involving words.

>>10831438
>You're an equivocating lunatic who can't even bring himself to agree literally eating his own shit is an abhorrently bad idea.
I never disagreed with that proposition, idiot. I said eating shit can easily be discarded on logical grounds, as can every bad idea. There are many ideas that seem "abhorrent" to most people---surgery for instance, someone cutting you open and poking around inside of you---but are decidedly "good ideas."
>Serious analysis isn't called for with inane propositions
wheredoyouthinkyouare.jpg
> when you're mind-blind and autistic with an inability to grok commen sense then horrible but not "logically incorrect" decisions are what follow.
You have yet to produce an example of a horrible, logically correct decision.
>Schizo, off-topic rambling about stroke patients
There is absolutely nothing logical in believing an arm attached to your own body belongs to your brother. It is intuitively untrue because it is logically unsound.
>No logical flaw in starving to death because you assume your food is poisoned for no reason
I'll work this one out for you
>Don't eat poisoned food because I'll die
>Food MIGHT be poisoned, don't eat it
>If I don't eat, I WILL die
If you eat food, there's a chance you will die, but if you don't eat the food there is a guarantee you will die. If the goal is to live, eating is the logical choice, even if you have good reason to think the food is poisoned. Godel went insane in his later years. That you can't work this out for yourself suggest you have a severe cognitive impairment.
>link perpetuating the right-brain left-brain myth
lol

>>10817025
I doubt you or the article have any use to be honest. I teached in a clan for 9 years and applied the same pattern recognitions methods to a (majority) male audience, and said pattern recognition was the easiest way for them to learn something and not a single one has shown preference in compartmentalizing things, just like I rarely saw males being more hotheaded than females, or the reverse, for that matter.
I feel this way of thinking is quite dangerous and foolish to not take into account the ability for brains to adapt, but I suppose the other guy is right, that ship sailed for you the moment you outed as a olitical busybody unable to keep your thoughts in check.

>>10814999
Usually animals do have dimorphism that's really obvious just not to humans bc ykno we didn't evolve to fuck them or socialize with them

Also men are taller and stronger because they don't make babies, this makes them the expendable sex, the expendable sex is the better one to throw at bears to protect the pack

>>10831648
>can easily be discarded on logical grounds, as can every bad idea
No. There's a difference between a logical error vs. abhorrently bad ideas or common sense inanity.
If you have programming experience this is analogous to the difference between a syntax error vs. a program not working as intended e.g. A program can have zero syntax errors and run "successfully" while also exposing your entire customer bases credit card information.
>example
Are you old enough to remember the Amelia Bedelia line of children's books (pic related)?
e.g. In this picture's example she believes "weeding the garden" means adding weeds to the garden, and her logically sound but obviously divergent from intention reasoning is:
Garden's existing weeds are too small to shade vegetables.
Shading vegetables would keep them from getting hot.
Miss Emma mentioned weeding garden before it gets hot.
Therefore, planting taller weeds will shade vegetables before it gets hot.
There is no *logical* error here. If you accept the three preceding premises, then the conclusion follows.
The problem isn't logic but rather common sense. Nothing about logic tells you "weeding" means "remove the weeds" and not "add taller weeds," and nothing about logic tells you Miss Emma's intention for mentioning this chore should be done before it gets hot is for Amelia's benefit so she isn't working in the heat rather than for the sake of getting the vegetables in the shade of weeds before *they* get hot.
>right-brain left-brain
I specifically included the TBI link to differentiate that from the popsci right / left brain bullshit. There aren't right brain creative or left brain logical people, but there are cognitive functions that are lateralized. Verbal / reasoning functions are associated with left hemisphere activity in most people, and it has real testable consequences if you look into the Gazzaniga split brain experiments (or the right hemisphere stroke delusion finding I already brought up).
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>>10831648
>>10831648
With the Gazzaniga split brain (subjects whose corpus callosum was severed preventing normal communication between their brain hemispheres) experiments, one finding was how the right hemisphere is nonverbal (for these subjects and for most of the general population; some (mostly left-handed) people have reversed lateralization or more redundant functionality in both hemispheres) but could work in terms of imagery while the left hemisphere was both verbal and has a compulsive tendency to make up bullshit rationalizations to reconcile any gaps in the data it has access to (in this case, the gap would be in how it can see the choice the right hemisphere's respective arm has pointed to but not *why* that choice was made):
https://physics.weber.edu/carroll/honors/split_brain.htm
>The left brain dominates for language, speech, and problem solving
>The right brain dominates for visual-motor tasks
>1. Each hemisphere was presented a picture that related to one of four cards placed in front of the split-brain subject. The right hemisphere saw the picture on the left (a snow scene), and the left hemisphere saw the picture on the right (a chicken foot). Both hemispheres could see all of the cards.
>2. The left and right hemispheres easily picked the card that related to the picture it saw. The left hand pointed to the right hemisphere's choice, and the right hand pointed to the left hemisphere's choice.
>3. The patient was then asked why the left hand was pointing to the shovel. Only the left hemisphere can talk, and it did not know the answer because the decision to point to the shovel was made in the right hemisphere.
>4. Immediately the left hemisphere made up a story about what it could see --- the chicken. It said the right hemisphere chose the shovel to clean out a chicken shed.
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>>10832478
>>10831648
>>10832490
One quick PS:
What you're claiming:
>every bad idea can easily be discarded on logical grounds
Is blatantly untrue per the existence of the word "rationalization:"
>the action of attempting to explain or justify behavior or an attitude with logical reasons, even if these are not appropriate.

>>10815239
One would think larger volume implies greater intelligence but this isn't true. Men and woman have been shown to have the same average IQ.

>>10822990
why can't /pol/ stay in their specially crafted hugbox

>>10834459
That's not /pol/ you dummy. Zero mention of jews. Not even conservative politics.
Transgender meme being a meme is NOT /pol/. It's a completely normal opinion for people who haven't drank your crazy person kool-aid.

>>10815018
Intelligence is not particularly selected for. The traits people select for are usually physical and rarely ever abstract. Intelligence is not sexually attractive.

>>10834657
No. IQ and other assessments of cognition follow the same pattern of greater male variability that the physical (not that intelligence isn't ultimately physical too, but let's make that distinction anyway for the sake of argument here) traits do.
>Throughout the animal kingdom, when the sexes differ from each other in external appearance, it is the male which, with rare exceptions, has been chiefly modified; for the female still remains more like the young of her own species, and more like the other members of the same group" (p. 272, vol 1, chapter VIII)
https://www.gwern.net/docs/iq/2008-machin.pdf
http://www.aei.org/publication/chart-of-the-day-scottish-iq-test-scores-by-gender-reveal-the-greater-variability-of-male-intelligence/

They aren’t necessarily more different, we’re just more adapted to distinguish those differences. Also note that all difference except those that are part of the fundamental definition of a sex (as in their gametes and the role they play in reproduction) are secondary, and subject to change, trannies can go fuck themselves

>>10834459
Why would you think that?

>>10815239

>>10823062
you're the first one to bring up the jews but once you start reading up on cultural anthropology it becomes very obvious there has been a group of straight up nationalistic jews using their status as anthropologists to push a political narrative for the last 80 years.

the entire khazari origin hypothesis is tantamount to that because it's pure bullshit science that has been thoroughly debunked with genetic research and still gets repeated to this day because it's still useful to the politics they're pushing. trying to find legitimate and non-politicized information about jewish immigration and jewish anthropology is pretty much impossible which is pretty odd considering franz boas and the entire frankfurt school were jewier than a mikvah after a bar mitzvah

>>10835528
Holy shit, stop legitimizing the psychotic trannies by embodying their /pol/ strawman for them you absolute retard.
>>10835333
>Why would you think that?
By deflecting to /pol/ being a bunch of retards it helps them avoid having to focus on how screwed up their own views where it's somehow considered appropriate for perfectly healthy and functional boys / men and to dose themselves with exogenous female hormones, surgically excise their testicles, and have various highly invasive yet cosmetic and not medically necessary surgeries to embed artificial breast implants, shave down bones in the face, invert penile tissue or re-purpose some length of spare colon tissue to create an artificial orifice (something exceptionally dangerous that can result in them ending up requiring a permanent colostomy bag to drain fecal matter into from a piece of intestine called a stoma pulled through their abdomen because they can no longer defecate like normal), etc.
There is no need to bring up jews or conspiracies to simply acknowledge the craziness here. It's seriously not any better than "helping" the people who believe they'll feel better as an amputee by providing them with a limb identity confirmation surgeon who will saw off their legs for them, or giving anorexics access to liposuction.

>>10835528
source on the khazar genetics theory because every decent report I've seen places the ashkenazi in that caspian sea region

I have a question about male and female math abilities.
I know that men are supposed to have better spatial abilities which helps explain why they perform somewhat better on certain math tests (on average of course.)
But a friend of mine proposed that women are actually better than men at mechanical mathematical tasks, such as simple arithmetic. Hence their utility in the Apollo program as calculators.
Is there actually any evidence that's the case?
I looked for information about it but the search results are swamped with the basic findings that everyone already knows, such as a male spatial reasoning advantage, larger standard deviation in IQ, etc.

>>10814999
Humans have low sexual dimorphism, it's just exaggerated in your eyes because you've evolved to see differences between people more easily than differences between animals.

>>10836738
>A friend of mine proposed that women are actually better than men at mechanical mathematical tasks, such as simple arithmetic. Hence their utility in the Apollo program as calculators.
That's retarded. Women weren't hired for those positions because they were better at doing mindless aritmetic. They were hired because it was a job that required no skill and freed up the actual engineers and scientists to focus on non-menial problems.

>>10836738
>>10836822
By analogy that's like claiming sweat shop workers were hired to sew jeans because they were better at it than everyone else. Your friend is very stupid.

>>10815018
This.

Human sexual dimorphism is pretty basic and honestly average. There are many species out there ( IE Spiders ) with far greater. Our brains are just wired to notice the subtle differences more. Just like cats can tell the difference even though to us male and female cats look mostly the same.

As for why the human differences exist: basically pregnancy. Women go out of commission for almost a full 2 years in order to get pregnant and then care for a <1 year old infant. This means all human society in order to survive ( have a decent fitness score ) would need to have some sort of mandatory protection system for our females otherwise their tribe would fail. So for the first hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution, the hunter-gatherer system was born where males would be the ones taking the greater risks. Over time, this leads to men with greater muscle mass height and strength having a higher fitness score. Women on the other hand, would gain higher fitness scores for looking more childlike ( garnishes higher protection response ) and evolving features that make them both more attractive and better at raising children.

TL;DR Child rearing makes human males and females evolve slightly differently. This is why men are stronger, faster, etc. and why women seem to have such good instincts when it comes to taking care of kids.

All of this is well established and obvious science, retards just deny it for the sake of political correctness.

>>10836822
I was able to find a source that seems to contradict the hypothesis that women are better at arithmetic than men. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223801629_Sex_differences_in_mental_arithmetic_digit_span_and

>Meta-analyses are presented of sex differences in (1) the (mental) arithmetic subtest of the Wechsler intelligence tests for children and adolescents (the WISC and WPPSI tests), showing that boys obtained a mean advantage of .11d; (2) the (mental) arithmetic subtest of the Wechsler intelligence tests for adults (the WAIS tests) showing a mean male advantage of .47d; (3) the digit span subtest of the Wechsler intelligence tests for children and adolescents (the WISC and WPPSI tests), showing that girls obtained a mean advantage of .134d; (4) the digit span subtest of the Wechsler intelligence tests for adults (the WAIS tests) showing a male advantage of .116d among adults.

I don't know if d refers to standard deviations?? If so, a .47 sd difference in favor of men would pretty decisively put my friend's hypothesis to rest.

>>10836954
How did your friend come up with that idea in the first place? It doesn't make any sense at all. The entire point of having "human computers" was to extract out all the unskilled busy work so the scientists could just focus on higher level actual thinking required problems.

>>10836967
I asked him, and he said that this is just based on his general life experience. When he read recently about the important role played by women in the Apollo program, it just reinforced what he had already observed to be true.
Women tend to be very precise, he said, and offered the analogy of pianists - "women tend to be the most precise and technically perfect pianists, although they aren't the best pianists."

He added that he's worked with women, both as employees under him and as his superiors, for decades, and he knows women pretty well.

>>10836994
But

>>10836994
>He added that he's worked with women, both as employees under him and as his superiors, for decades, and he knows women pretty well.
Well that's retarded given even if he knew 1,000 women that'd still only constitute less than 1/3 of 0.00001% of the world population of women.

>>10838894
What percent of the total world population did the studies that reenforce your biases survey?