/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10813142
Looks like a successful static fire for Starship. Minor fire on the body frame, but that might be expected or irrelevant.

>>10813152
Elon just loves the "scorched rocket" look so much he's decided to start burning them before they even fly.

>>10813152
There was a rather dramatic post-fire conflagration, but it did not cause any obvious-from-a-distance damage.

https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1151334185702965250

>>10813188
Jesus christ, who are those people? "AH MAH GAWD"

yo what the fuck happened exactly?

>>10813198
Drama sells clicks

>>10813198
that's LabPadre
he's either a methhead texan white trash or a nigger, I haven't figured it out yet, but either way he's low class

>>10813199
Static fire with bit of fire. Not certain if that was expected or not. Nothing seems damaged.

>>10813213
elon, please can your neurashit for the night and explain

https://twitter.com/austinbarnard45/status/1151337955275001856
somebody make some webms

LMAO at all these pussies freaking out about a sixty foot tall fireball

someone post the fireball you faggots

>>10813307
this is a clip from Tim's stream
https://twitter.com/TeamShortBusBIR/status/1151335022068035585
he freaks out and mashes the elevator music button

timestamps for Tim's VOD
Raptor start: https://youtu.be/ACYW4RDCS90?t=2833
big fireball: https://youtu.be/ACYW4RDCS90?t=3079
I'm sure we'll get higher quality later tonight when he gets back to civilization

it's like you pussies have never seen a Delta 4 Heavy launch; you call that a fireball?!

>>10813340
hopper is like 30 m tall and it was twice the height of hopper, that was a big fucking fireball
luckily in my experience fireballs like that pose absolutely no danger to large stainless steel structures like Starhopper
hopefully there wasn't a whole lot of exposed wiring, lol

>>10813378
This is why you use firesleeve

>>10813378
Hi Tim.
Stop crying, take your soimilk dose

>>10813320
You can see it's burning at new connection point

Elon is LIVE on Neuralink

https://youtu.be/r-vbh3t7WVI

Damn what an absolute unit

HOP WHEN

Wake the fuck up, eurocuck neets

AAAAAAAAAAAA
IT'S GONNA BLOW

>>10813492
why it's midnight what the fuck elon

>>10813142
Earth is flat

https://youtu.be/JKyZ_7ZjabU
we give him a lot of shit for being a fag but Tim does good work

>>10813741
great quality video with synced sound

I wonder how he got this footage? shouldnt the entire area around hopper be closed during firings? Why do we bother with shitty LabPadre stream if you can just waltz there and set up camera nearby?

>>10813796
he was outside of the closure zone. It's a single-engine static fire, not an N-1 being launched

LabPadre hopper livestream link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhl6KJnj1yE

>>10813796
he was visiting this guy who calls himself Nomadd, who lives inside the exclusion zone.
They were on his roof.

>>10813811
Oh really? Cool

Yeah especially from the LabPadre angle, you can see the secondary boom happened when the water stream made contact with the burning area.
Honestly I doubt much was damaged. Just seemed like a big hot ball of flame, no conflagration

>>10813811
Nomadd lives in Boca Chica village right? That is only 1.7 miles from the pad, as opposed to over 5 miles for South Padre Island.

We should convince this guy to set up a livestream camera on the roof.

>>10813824
LabPadre has his setup on BocaChicaGal's roof, and she's Nomadd's neighbor
she's the source of all the really juicy Texas pics in the thread, btw
I think Nomadd does have a camera on a pole pointing at Hopper and the Starship yard but I don't think he has the internet connection to be livestreaming.

I may be almost blind but why are people saying the raptor blow up ???
Fireball =/= engine explosion ???

>>10814122
Seems like more of a Delta 4 situation to me e.g. unburnt Methane igniting.

>>10814122
Oldspace setting.

>>10814122
The oldspace sniper didn't realize that Elon secretly has already installed the quantum metaphasic shields on Starhopper and so his incendiary bullet only ignited some leftover methane.

>>10814226
The same sniper last time said that he saw the center core of FH breaking in half from the SX stream...
The reason he gave was that F9 is at the edge of its structural strength... I'm starting to doubt if my eyes are real or not...

>>10813829
>but I don't think he has the internet connection to be livestreaming.
Hurry up Starlink!

Good news:

5 second Static Fire for SN6 Raptor.
Two fires. One on pad and one on vehicle.
Discharge of Methane caused a large fireball.
Vehicle survived and was detanked and powered down.
Waiting for clearance for pad inspections and will then create a forward plan.

>>10814329
What if this shit happens on Mars and they’re forced to dump their propellant? Are they going to have to wait months to refuel it again?

>>10814351
"This is why we test."

>>10814329
>Vehicle
It's a trash can.

On the other hand, at least they are not going to spend 10mill and 3 months on 'official' investigation.

>>10814421
It’s a very robust trash can!

>>10814442
Methane can't melt steel trash cans.

HOP WHEN

>>10813810
someone in a cherry picker now

>>10814351
Possibly, yeah. Of course ideally you send multiple craft with several extra years worth of supplies, it would simply be stupid to send people there at all without accounting for the possibility that they might end up stranded in a worst case scenario, thus you ensure that even if they are stuck they'll have several times more supplies than necessary to survive to either fix their problem or wait for a rescue mission.

>>10814442
R2-D2's shiny big brother

To continue on this.
>10812775
>10812779
Why is it that spaceflight doesn't seem to be popular (at least in the West)? Even during the height of Apollo, that program never got above a 50% approval rating. Is it because spaceflight is such a niche interest? Poor public management? Low launch rate? What do you speculate/sfg/?

>>10814601
Oops. One arrow too few.
>>10812775
>>10812779
My bad.

>>10814601
Average people think more about their day-to-day lives than they think about the future of civilization.
If it doesn't directly affect/benefit them in the immediate, then it's merely a curiosity on TV until they change the channel. These are the people who say "we need to solve our problems down here first!". Gradually, you'll grow to hate them.

>>10814601
In US, 1.9 M degrees(ba/ma/phd included) were awarded in 2014-2015.

Of that, only 6% was engineering science related. Engineering is a not a hot topic. Most people are interested in business majors/health services/education.

>>10813810
No more testing this week

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>10814601
Because rocket launches are routine.

>>10814601
Things are slowly but surely improving.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/260543/first-time-majority-backs-human-mission-mars.aspx

Nerd culture going mainstream may yet turn out to have beneficial effexts on public support for STEM endeavours.

Semis with Roll-Lift equipment are parked across from the Starship Assembly area.
Work continues on the tall structure.
The polishing continues.

Something big scrapped the side of the Hopper during night...

>>10814722
Ayyy

Space alien's

>>10814612
I already don't like the "we need to solve the problems down here before going up there" line. There are growing issues "up there" that will affect "down here" if nothing is done. Such more nations and private companies going into space. There's only so much regulation that can be done on the launch pad, so there needs to be a larger presence in space to keep everyone in check.

Then again, space is "nerdy". I disagree with >>10814666, while some nerdy stuff is being more acceptable its still seen as a bad thing to be nerdy in general. However I may be hanging out with too many boomers.

>>10814722
that has been there for a while.

>>10813152
>it's not a cult

the raptor is in pieces and SX is bankrupt !!!

shills in full damage control mode

>>10814997
>>10815003
>>10815034
I think you're the only one here rn anon, best to try later.

>>10815050
Nobody is replying because it's not even bait, he's just throwing hooks in the water

I can't even dignify it with a fish meme

>>10815050
I don't even understand what's gained by shitposting here. This thread is pretty slow so it doesn't gain much attention. I can understand the anti American shitposter, but not that anti SpaceX one.

>>10815059
I think it's just some bored autist trying to be funny.

>>10815067
Then he should spend that bored energy on making funny memes instead of trying to act like "that one kid" from middle school.

Falcon Heavy-chan is such a dojikko...

>>10815180

>>10815180
>>10815186
Every day we stray further from the light of God

>>10815195
Full-speed, into the breech.

>>10815186
>>10815180
translations?

>>10815195
No, every day we drag ourselves a bit closer to His light. God is extremely uncomfortable, he noticed our massive erection and is trying to move away but we're gaining ground.

>>10815003
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES...

>>10814601
I think big part of the issue is just how ignorant people are on what the government is spending on; most people don't realize that the NASA budget is a pittance compared to any of the major social welfare programs.

>>10815242
This, halve military and welfare, put those halves into border control and space. Get rid of four regulations for every one created, tell NASA to build a moon base in ten years or they'll all be fired.

>>10815242
NASA's budget was huge during cold war due to the necessity of beating Soviets. They had to build something from scratch where nothing exists before. But then afterwards, NASA shrunk its duty. Contractors sought this as a way to milk NASA for all its worth. Now SLS cost more than Apollo's entire launch program, while not inventing anything new and simply updating older Spaceshuttle engines/parts. If SpaceX wasn't a thing, I'd defend NASA's practice of using this shitty contractor method because we don't have any other way to compare NASA to.

>>10815251
The military power of the US is a major economic and social stabilization factor of the world. Yeah, it's corrupt and bloated and inefficient, but it has real purpose that far exceeds just blowing shit up and cock measuring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-it-OH7pxK4

NASA has been getting butt fucked since the 80s because contractors have been shitting in NASA's mouth and costs have only RISEN over the years, not shrunken.

Suprise! SLS flying not before 2022.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/07/nasas-large-sls-rocket-unlikely-to-fly-before-at-least-late-2021/

>>10815297
I think part of that inefficiency and bloat is simply to do with overfunding, and there's simply no other way to address that problem than starting to cut back on the expenditure. Shit there are already parts of the military that actively wish there weren't so much money spent on them, the army has to trash a bunch of tanks every year because chassis keep getting manufactured at such a high rate that the rest of the components take too long and they end up rusting to the point of un-usability in the intervening time, plus there aren't enough storage facilities to hold them or conflicts for them to be used in. I also honestly believe that the whole "we hold the world from flying apart by power projection" mentality is going to fucking kill this country in time, better to give everyone else a heads-up that they better start figuring out how to solve their own problems and then rip that bandaid off now. To keep it topical to space flight and avoid being an ass by cluttering the thread, space itself can act as a release valve for some of those tensions by giving countries a means of non-violent competition with one another, and if it's developed enough it represents the ultimate population release valve as well since if tensions get too high you could try space before war, it allows you to fuck off as far away from people you can't get along with as it's currently possible to get, or it would if there were as much development put into it as we actually could do with our current level of technology.

>>10815328
>I think part of that inefficiency and bloat is simply to do with overfunding
You've got to think about how many jobs and kickbacks are involved in these deals, and how many local economies are tied up in it, which means there's political incentive to protecting them.
Things like tanks, from what I've heard, are constantly being produced because things like welding armor plates is very expensive and specialized, and if you aren't constantly employing those people, there's a chance you could lose the labor pool capable of doing that, so in the long run it's better to just let the tanks rot in a bone yard then to constantly be retraining during sporadic production cycles.

Based Elon telling it like it is. Imagine where we would be if we had something like Google Lunar X-prize, but with endowment in billions..

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1151403783210975233

>>10815367
The issue is that NASA can't just hand out $23B. Congress controls where and how NASA spends it's money, so they would have to be convinced. Unfortunately, Congress is convinced that SLS is the main American way to the moon and beyond.

>>10815309
Who's the king of delay meme: JWST or SLS?

>>10815375
>Unfortunately, Congress is convinced that SLS is the main American way to the moon and beyond.
I should specify that Congress believes that SLS is the main American way to the moon AND the only way to the moon that should get priority funding.

>>10815376
Hopper hop

>>10815375
Congress are retards and they do like a tenth the work of the infamous Do-Nothing Congress. Fuck them, NASA should be cut loose of their stupid bullshit. Not that they shouldn't be overseen, just that they shouldn't be overseen by a congress which couldn't even do something as simple as screw in a lightbulb. Shit these idiots can barely even agree that things which need to be done exist, let alone actually do them.
>>10815376
Slut Launch System.

>>10815407
>Congress are retards
There really aren't a lot of qualifications for the job.

>>10815407
>NASA should be cut loose of their stupid bullshit
Which will never happen. NASA has been closely tied to the political winds from the very beginning. During Apollo, that was necessary to force the high speed development needed to have NASA be the political tool to be used make the US look good against the Soviets. But that political closeness is what's making NASA so vulnerable to shifting political winds.

Is hop happening?

>>10815447
waiting on news

>>10815447
no, road closures have been called off for the week

>>10815458
Neat, I might be able to get down there and see it before I leave town.
Can you see anything from the road?
I tried going yesterday but they were closing the road right as we were going down there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhl6KJnj1yE
Engine still mounted. Looks like they're inspecting the exterior. Last night's fireball maybe caused damage to external pipes/conduits?

>>10815461
yes, the whole complex is right up against the road
note: they can't ask you to leave if you're on the road, but they totally can if you're not on the road

>>10815498
I was rolling with the senpai, and we decided to go to the gun range instead.
He's building a mount for a .50 machine gun, it wasn't set up yet, but a lot of cool shit to look at.

>>10815518
tell your senpai I said desu

>>10815186
Oh god she's so cute

CUT MY SHUTTLE TO PIECES
IT'S MADE OUT OF SPARE PARTS
DETONATION
NO FLYING
DON'T GIVE A FUCK IF MY BUDGET IS BLEEDING!

>>10814351
How's the methane going to catch fire in Mars' atmosphere, dumbass?

>>10815180
>>10815186
Pls gib translations

>>10815375
>>10815378
Congress doesn't believe nor care about shit
they just do what the guy giving them the bribes told them to do

Read Ignition!

Rockets like to spontaneously combust.

>>10815866
Methane is tame compared to some of the shit discussed and tested in that book.

>>10815873
you can tell, because the giant stainless steel object sitting on a concrete pad was merely engulfed in flames, instead of sinking into a toxic burning hole in the ground

>>10815876
The more damage the better the fuel.>>10815876

>>10815704
(warning my japanese is shit)
Side booster separation complete. "Alright, I'll guide everyone!". Falcon Heavy: princess of the rocket kingdom, the most powerful in the modern world.

"Take care everyone!". She can launch 24 satellites in a single mission! Super hi-spec!

Peaceful return to the Earth! Much superiority! "fu...naturally!" *slip*(droneship:) "welcome back!!".

...a superior princess, but a little clumsy

>>10815935
On paper yes, hell there are tripropellants that near or I think even exceed the ISP of conventional hydrogen nuclear rockets, however they're completely impractical to use. The first issue obviously is being that you need three tanks and pumps etc, the other being that most of the tripropelants are hypergols and are so volatile and poisonous that accidents will be both extremely common and extremely violent, any kind of accident would probably total the landing pad, seeing as the fluorine component often included will burn practically everything it comes into contact with.

>>10815233
>>10815207
>>10815186
>>10815180
God bless Japan

So the hop is delayed again? Fucks sake.

>>10816066
I mean it sucks that is not gonna be in time for the Apollo 11 anniversary, but it's a week or so delay while they replace some melted wires and get their software working, chillax

Starship is still gonna fly before SLS

>>10816066
Will take few days to analyze the anomaly and check for damages, if any. Chances are nothing major and should resume testing shorter after.

>>10815376
Berlin airport.

>>10816071
Good chance it goes orbital before sls. SLS flies next summer right. In terms of engines firing, they have shown at max thrust they got 80s right? We don't know if they break at this point, but if we suggest iteration increases it. By next summer they'll likely have enough umpf and burn time for orbital or sub orbital.

It also helps that it's basicly a junker

>>10816066
Fuck are you talking about. Do u think someone here has a song with Hop coming out?

Filter and ignore tripfags

apollo 11 live is very comfy listening rn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbW3Nn134OM

>>10816386
I'm wagecucking right now.
Pls no bully

When is the grain silo doing an actual fucking hop?

>>10816437
Next week I hope.

HOP WHEN

>>10816463
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>10815376
Russian Nauka module

>>10815407
>Fuck them, NASA should be cut loose of their stupid bullshit.

The best way to cut them off is to reduce NASA to a mere purse that divides fixed sums of funding among private companies based on achieved results. Basically what Elon says here. Sadly not very politically realistic in the near term, but one can dream...

>>10815367

>>10816639
they do good work in space probe design and research

>>10816313
>SLS flies next summer
Kek.

>>10816643
Meh, for all the billions spent on space exploration, we ought to have solar system dotted with probes around and on every larger body by now. So that shit should be outsourced to private companies, too.

There may be still place for NASA in developing advanced, one-off scientific payloads or nuclear propulsion, but that is about it.

>>10816655
agreed, NASA does bad work on space probe manufacturing

not enough ISS photos in these generals

>>10816690
tin cans got kind of boring in the 80s after they let skylab burn up

LabPadre livestream is up at new url

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHL3v4_w1WY

>>10816714
I can't believe the flare stack is STILL burning

Please update me on the starhopper status, guys. Do we know anything?

>>10816736
The limited evidence available to us points to a ground support equipment malfunction and a conflagration caused by spraying a leaked pool of methane with water in the presence of an ignition source. There's no obvious signs of damage to the Hopper, but further testing has been postponed for at least a week; all planned closures have been rescinded.

>>10816736
they're having a look at it after it was engulfed by a huge fireball
they might need to rerun some wiring or something, and they'll need to address whatever caused such a huge leak in the first place, but that's small-time issues

Soyuz Rollout and installation on the launchpad for the expedition 60 mission to the ISS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UP7nxnUjMI

Launch scheduled for saturday the 20th of july. One of the last launches of the Soyuz-FG and on august the 22nd, an unmanned Soyuz capsule will be sent up by the FG's replacement; the Soyuz 2.1a which is currently being used for the Progress cargo capsules as an example.

First manned mission by Soyuz 2.1a is scheduled for 15th of april 2020.

>>10816742
>>10816746
Thx, anons.

... and it's a good thing - unplanned reentry heat resistance test.

>>10817156
Hopper doesn't have the TUFROC or dual-skin perspiration cooling though

>>10817172
where the fuck did the TUFROC meme come into play for Starship again?

>>10817172
We do what we must because we can

>>10816402
comfortcucked by apollo 11, from 50 years ago lmao

>>10817054
eat shit amerikants

>>10817281

No, fuck off. I dont want (You)'s from morons like you.

>>10817281
What an asshole. I like when you guys launch rockets, why don't you like when we launch rockets?

>>10815233
>>10815207
More space girls pls

>>10817313
>>10817307
spend some nasa funds on learning to take a joke, jesus

>>10817343
$340 million please

Earth Blue, Rocket Red and Lunar Silver: A New Identity for Artemis Program to the Moon

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/artemis-program-identity

>>10817343
We'll laugh when you make one.

>>10813152
Looks to be the case now that insiders are confirming it.

Raptor static fire is a success. The large flame ball was after the engine was shutdown and they were venting out methane. Pics related, day after shot.

>>10817381
short and big fires like that are a bad place to have wiring, but they're not an issue for big stainless tanks like Starhopper
anybody spouting doom for something tiny like that is obviously an alarmist

>>10817360
all graphic designers should hang

"new identity" jesus fuck

remember when Gordo just fucking drew a Conestoga wagon by hand and that was the logo? hey we could actually get people into space back then

MIT space issue is cool

>>10817360
who the fuck cares about identities
just launch some damn humans to the space already
these beautiful logos worth jack shit on earth

>>10817421
That Artemis logo does look pretty generic. Although it does invoke the Apollo logos. The gradients look bad though.

>>10817428
nice, where'd you get it

>>10817445
It's a magazine you can subscribe to

>>10817436
It's probably a habit picked up by NASA during the early Shuttle era, when NASA wanted to do more but was shackled to LEO. Coming up with cool plans and logos for moon bases is all you can do if you can only barely get to low orbit.

>>10817449
is there anything else good in it

>>10817428
SARGE did a spinlaunch just recently

>>10817458
ccdev sooooooon

>>10817458
These numbers are wrong.

The Saturn V only ever had 30 seats manifested for launch.

>>10817497
Saturn I and IB, anon

RD-180 1/2

Musk tweeting about hopper

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/with_replies

>Yeah, big advantage of being made of high strength stainless steel: not bothered by a little heat!

>Aiming for hover test next week

>Post test fuel leak, but no major damage

>>10817514
2/2

>>10817508
Sure, but only one of those was for the Moon effort - Apollo 7. Three of the remaining four launches were for Skylab and the last was the Apollo-Soyuz project.

>>10817516
From L2:

Reason for the "fireball" was because a CH4 vent line came loose, causing fuel to leak.

So very minor reason for the event. Explains why Elon just tweeted Hover next week.

>>10817360
Looks like it leaked. Link 404s now. Anyone got a cached version?

>>10817538
yeah, how you want it

let's see if a straight screenshot is small eough

>>10817544
Screenshots will do.

>>10817548
fug
>>10817549
sure

>>10817548
Hmm. Not really digging the gradients. Think flat colors would work better, IMO.

Kinda neat though. Makes me wonder that now that the program and mission names have been de-bureacratized, if we're going to get a proper name for the SLS.

>>10817550
Imagine firing everyone who was involved with this article and hiring engineers.

>>10817559
>Imagine firing everyone who was involved with this article and hiring engineers.

You can't maintain an organization without paper pushers, and they have too many engineers filling that role as it is.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=B9eYCGOlr5Y
Space X Dragon 2 parachutes video.

>>10817550
I'll say it again, the gradients look bad in my opinion.

>>10816386
This site is pretty awesome : https://apolloinrealtime.org/11/
Must have been a shitload of work

>>10817654
they fucked up timezone vs summer time/daylight time

>>10817666
Of your browser identifier is fucked

>>10817675
There's no time zone setting in my browser, it uses my computer's time.

>>10817428
>tethers
Can someone elaborate on this? It's the first I've seen of it and I'm not sure I grasp the concept yet.

>>10817686
it's like a space elevator but instead of hanging down from Geostationary with a counterweight out beyond that, it's a bit of string in low orbit that's spinning
the rate it's spinning is such that as the end moves back along the ground track it is moving significantly slower than orbital velocity
you grab the hook as it does this, and whoosh off you go, drawing the energy to bring you up to orbital velocity from the momentum of the tether and its counterweight
it's probably the most realistic of the stupid sci-fi orbital ideas, and can also be used to decelerate payloads from orbit to the surface
if you're very careful about it, you could even have one grab something off of the surface of an airless body (luna's gravity is too uneven for that, I think)

it's stupid and I love it

>>10817699
Fucking hell, sounds like a ski-lift into orbit. I wanna see a demonstration just to better visualize this, has anyone made an animation or anything, even a back-of-napkin sketch?

>>10817699
How do you think that orbital momentum transfer thingy got up there? There is no free lunch.

>>10817725
obviously you used a big rocket, duh
once you've got it up there you can use your tether to deliver boost propellant up, and then have it climb to the counterweight/propulsion unit, increasing your angular momentum. If that's a thing that gets lost (I think it is?)
anyway it's self-sustaining once it's up there, but is extremely limited in destination orbits it can deliver to, and is also really fucking huge and therefore vulnerable to MMD damage
it's pretty much the stupidest idea of all time, which doesn't stop me from loving it

y'all niggers see the elon interview where he says he might just send starship to the moon directly rather than spend years convincing NASA he can do it
https://time.com/5628572/elon-musk-moon-landing/

>>10817753
yeah it's good shit

>>10817753
That's probably the best way to do it. Trying to convince NASA would require years of testing and paperwork and by then it may be too late to be of use. That is, even if SpaceX could convince NASA to look into Starship considering that Congress is sold on "SLS or no lunar access."

>>10817830
This, sending without asking NASA would trigger a cracking down on SpaceX

>>10817830
It'll be rather fucking hard for Congress to keep beating the "SLS or Bust" drum when there's literally a Starship on the Moon. I like this plan.

>>10817837
>sending without asking NASA would trigger a cracking down on SpaceX
How? SpaceX is separate from NASA. The worst that NASA could do is cancel all contracts that it had with SpaceX.

>>10817838
The SLS would have at least a couple of launches before Starship reaches the moon, so Congress may decide to keep SLS around out of momentum.

>>10817838
>>10817859
>2029: "Starship lifts off from Texas, pursued as always by a barrage of billion-dollar NASA anti-aircraft missiles, each defeated by one of Musk's reusable kill-vehicle drones as the tinfoil-silo escapes into LEO. The SpaceX VS NASA conflict is expected to drag on into the late 2030s, when NASA assures us SLS will definitely probably fly"

Japan has had a successful static fire haha

>>10817890
Video?

>>10817890
Are they going to start (island) hopping next?

>>10817896
33 people are dead some animefag got upset his waifu wasn't gay so he torched the studio

>>10817902
Oh. I thought he meant a static fire of some engine Japan has been developing...

>>10817896
sure https://youtu.be/sf8YtVHpE-U

>>10817859
>The worst that NASA could do is cancel all contracts that it had with SpaceX.
Which would be a bad blow by itself, but gaining NASA's enmity will also gain US government enmity, which would be an even nastier blow

I hate this meme

>>10817940
Then why do you post it?

>>10817940
>"wrinkles" look suspiciously like faces of the tortured
>was on fire but wasn't damaged
SpaceX using Satanic powers confirmed.

>>10818000
Musk must've figured that summoning Satan was more cost-effective.

what do you think of this new spacekino? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxi6rtBtBM0

>>10818014
Yeah, probably happened around that one time he threw up some black liquid during a conference. Hopefully he and SpaceX know what they're doing. I've heard rumors that some of the interns are being turned into imps by accident.

>>10818020
looks like a bunch of hollywood drama bullshit
come back when you've got an oniel cylinder and /m/agic robots

>>10818027
>interns are being turned into imps by accident.
>accident
Imps save space and resources, cutting costs for SpaceX. It's a feature, not a bug.

>>10818000
>>10818014
>>10818027
>>10818047
SpaceX? More like Space/x/

>>10818054
You're a good

>>10817594
New test or video of old test?

>>10817859
If SpaceX makes it to moon before NASA and separately, this will be a political nightmare scenario for both SpaceX and NASA.

>>10818080
I understand NASA having some heat to deal with if beaten to the moon by SpaceX (which I highly doubt), but not SpaceX. The US government can be blundering, shortsighted, and sometimes outright corrupt, but I can't see it being petty towards an American company.

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1152007076333277184

BE-7 with a 6 minute test fire. Blue Balls seems to be coming together at a good pace. Wonder when they're gonna start putting together contracts.

>>10818091
If SpaceX makes NASA look bad, then NASA might cancel any agree with SpaceX or reduce it. Ultimately people run these organizations/companies so you do not want animosity between the two.

>>10818020
Looks boring

>>10818097
Great how Blue Origin wants to "one up" SpaceX with their recent test anomaly. But I guess you can't compare because Blue Origin is completely secretive and only releases results they deem as positive in a very secretive manner.

>>10818091
>but I can't see it being petty towards an American company.
Not in the open, but i don't doubt that it will find ways to screw with SpaceX

>>10818097
>>10818109
they need to fuck off until we've got some footage

>>10818119
I agree. I know Blue Origin doesn't care about their public perception because they don't have much income from public sources, but could they at least try to look cool rather than China level of secretive?

>>10818129
The old school industry likes how Blue Origin is playing by their rule book. So maybe they're courting the industry rather than the public perception.

>>10818097
Impressive, but they still haven’t been able to throttle the BE-4 above 80% Maybe they just can’t handle the (chamber) pressure of developing such a big engine?

>>10818134
>So maybe they're courting the industry rather than the public perception.
For sure, they are definitely working to impress old space

>>10817428
>spinlaunch
Whaddsdat

>>10818074
>You're a good
But I'm a better!

>>10818144
imagine somebody trying to launch a rocket out of trebuchet
now imagine it's a centrifuge
now imagine that the upper stage/bullet leaves the launcher at mach 8

>>10818181
>imagine somebody trying to launch a rocket out of trebuchet
Finally! An excuse to post this image!

>>10818047
>>10818027
wait does this mean musk was serious about the catgirls

or, at the very least, demon waifus

>>10817497
Apollo 7 - 17 = 33
Skylab II - IV (aka 1 - 3) = 9
Apollo/Soyuz = 3
...that makes 45
The chart just says "Saturn", not "Saturn V".

>>10818189
Wait, was Warwolf really that...reasonably sized? I imagined it a little more "dramatically huge".

>>10818202
Reusable catgirls are coming down the pipeline with a tentative launch-date of 2025.

>>10818209
I'm fine with single use catgirls if they're low enough cost, I wonder if Electron is interested in this new and exciting market

>>10818204
I'm not sure if it is Warwolf. Since the source where I got that image from never stated so.

http://www.discovermiddleages.co.uk/trebuchet

>>10818216
Expendable catgirls are costly and wasteful, unless you can reallocate them to the production of fertilizer. Meanwhile, NASA's already spent $700mil on a study that concluded "some men like catgirls", stipulating that further study/funding is required.

>>10818229
are you telling me I should stop throwing my used catgirls in the ocean

>>10818233
do not abandon your catgirls in the ocean

>>10818233
Yes, their corpses can strangle tiny sea turtles.
If you absolutely must use your catgirl in fully-expendable mode, at least dump them in a disused section of desert under enough dirt to keep the coyotes from digging it up.

hmmmmm
catgirls

>>10817753
That would be a god-tier epic troll. Maximum disruption.

>>10818109
Until they get something into actual orbit, they should probably STFU.

>>10818249
>>10818245
Careful anon, that sort of posting is dangerously offtopic. I only say that because Hayabusa posts got deleted a few weeks back, despite being at least tangentially related.

>>10818112
I can see a day US becomes to small for SpaceX

So the flare stack is burning again in Boca Chica. I find it weirdly wasteful for SpayseX

>>10818293
clearly you've never been in a plane flying over the US. Flare stacks are eeeeeeverywhere. Methane is cheap, anyways. Although SpaceX is using 99.999 high grade stuff

Why hasn't the hopper hopped yet? I thought it was supposed to happen wednesday.

>>10818310
It got a bit toasty

>>10818310
The static-test of the engine the night before made the hopper erupt in flame for a few seconds. Everything seems fine, but hop postponed.

HOP OR RIOT

>>10818319
>>10818318
thanks

>>10818136
Didn't it come out recently that the BE-4 is going for a power pack redesign? Apparently the reason they haven't throttled to 100% yet is because the turbopump assembly they've been working with simply can't handle the forces involved. I'm sure it won't kill the engine but it's still very bad news for BO and for ULA, since they're depending on that engine to get working very soon so they can build Vulcan.

Meanwhile SpaceX's own Raptor had been evidently suffering from some kind of 300 Hz vibration problem at very high chamber pressure levels but they managed to get that worked out in a few months by just making iterations to every new engine they built, and applying those changes to the old engines they already had that weren't figuratively going to the scrap yard.

Finally that one Chinese engine that is going right back to the drawing board because of a fundamental flaw is probably the worst engineering oopsie to happen in space flight technology recently.

It's going to be glorious if SpaceX send Starship to the moon with a bunch of cargo and brings it back while giving the finger to NASA beauracrats.

>>10818204
Warwolf was apparently somewhere between 300 and 400 feet tall when unloaded, which would put it at a similar height as compared to the Saturn V.

>>10818255
Hayabusa was literally spaceflight

>>10818350
>Finally that one Chinese engine that is going right back to the drawing board because of a fundamental flaw is probably the worst engineering oopsie to happen in space flight technology recently.
China is making a methalox engine?

>>10818358
Yeah I know, and I agree, but jannies did not in that thread.

>>10818363
*ting ting ting*
*ahem*
May I have your attention please

FUCK JANNIES

>>10818371
As long as the anime girls are spaceflight-related, we should be able to post them.
I'm not backing down on this, NOT EVER!

>>10813142
Would I be dedicating myself to a life of shitty work trying to work in space industry?

>>10818431
Hard to tell since the industry seems to be shifting lately. Just don't expect to be working on Apollo 2.0. There's still plenty of interesting stuff to do.

Also, be careful when working in the small sat launcher business. I've been told by Jeff Thornburg himself that he see sees a crash coming soon and the amount of companies that say afloat (and thus potential jobs there) will rapidly decrease. You could still work for a company like Rocket Labs or some other start-up, but maybe don't expect a lasting career there.

Hop on wednesday, per L2 you fucking cheap faggots.

>>10818461
Based L2 anon, we appreciate the paypigging.

>>10818416
When Helene is looking at this puff of smoke, I think she is actually looking at a Meatwad-like "nothing burger" torture final state like she likes to turn people into.

>>10818303
You got me. Never been to US.

>>10818472
Not quite the same thing, but I recall my first trip through Texas being shocked that there were open flames across the horizon all over the place, like ground-bound stars in the distance, located over various oil wells I presume. It was strange for sure, as a midwesterner.

>>10818460
Well it certainly feels like ventures into space are being reinvigorated.
Right now it feels like I have two options in my life: study software engineering, attempt to become self employed and live life with relative leisure.
Or try study ME / aerospace and attempt to get employed at SpaceX (which shreds employees to the bone) or NASA to work for someone else for less / same pay and potentially feel fulfillment and purpose.
I'll probably find my answer somewhere along my time.

>>10818479
That's because there isn't always a pipeline to take natural gas away from a well, or maybe there's too much pressure for whatever pipeline is coming out of it, and the excess needs to be burned off.
Also, if it's not that particular red-orange color, that means there's stuff other than methane in it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_flare

>>10818517
study software engineering and focus on embedded systems and C++ and VHDL and such, then work for SpaceX or similar

but they shred their software people hardest of all

>>10818519
That's exactly what I saw. I was camping across Texas for 3 months as I crossed it for the first time, and those flares became a normal fixture of the night for me, at least in certain spots.
It was strange to see, but also kind of awesome.

>>10818526
Eh, sounds like the worst possible alternative.

>>10818103
no, it'll just lend ammunition to the pro-SpX factions in NASA's internal power struggle

here's your bulkhead bro

>>10818529
I'm gonna keep rolling with it until my stock vests, then find something where I can go back to a 40 hour week

but it won't be as interesting, and I'll go a little crazy from that. been there already

>>10818534
They're not strong enough and can be crushed if open rebellion takes place. The old space faction is stronger in NASA.

>>10818548
NASA will resort to shooting down SpaceX rockets before admitting defeat.

>>10818548
don't know if you've been watching lately but the knives are coming out

say hi to Gerst for me!

>>10818556
If administration changes, it may be over. The real people in power are those career NASA folks. So it maybe mean much.

>>10818543
This shit is getting fucking

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>>10818358
just posting hayabusa meme images with no discussion of spaceflight isn't

>>10818595
I disagree, the anthropomorphized pics of Hayabusa celebrated the triumph of that mission, while also exposing it to weebs. I'm okay with that.
I wonder how many anons learned of the mission through waifu pics? Probably more than one.

>>10818595
Back to rebbit faggot

>Lori Garver posts op-ed in Washington Posts
>shittalks manned spaceflight
>says NASA's mission should be studying climate change
Commercial crew was the only good thing she ever did. Change my mind.

>>10818663
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/forget-new-manned-missions-in-space-nasa-should-focus-on-saving-earth/2019/07/18/79e55eb8-a995-11e9-9214-246e594de5d5_story.html?noredirect=on

>>10818663
Bezos is right, we gotta get to space first, to offload the major industrial requirements of Earth. Then Earth can be zoned residential and recreation.

Speaking of Bezos, current employee count
SpaceX: >6,000
BO: 2,200

>>10818668
This whore should be raped.

>>10818270
The Elonian Martian Empire(formerly known as Space Exploration Technologies), will not be constrained by the laws of the United States of America!

>>10818718
Do you want Gundam Wing?
Because this is how we get Gundam Wing.

>>10818722

>>10818718
The US would never do that to anyone because that's exactly how the US was formed.
>fuck the British and their taxes

>>10818732
>Inb4 ISS deorbits over Sydney

>>10818668
Forget new manned missions in space, NASA should focus on dropping rockets on Lori Garver and WaPo offices.

>>10818738

>>10818696
>relocating heavy industries to a place where cooling is only possible through radiators
Really looking forward to that 1000 degree orbital blast furnace station, Jeff. Sounds almost as fun to work at as your warehouses.

>>10818752
Bad employees are relocated to the 2g punishment ring.

>>10818755
Kek

>>10818735
>no taxation without representation
Overseas territories like Guam.
Puerto Rico.
Washington DC.

US excels at hypocrisy.

>>10815866
notably absent from that fine work is methane itself. Too boring and tame for the military!

>>10818764
Those are vassal-states, they don't count as real countries anymore because we own their asses.
>hurr durr make them states
No

>>10818777
So taxation without representation is what i'm hearing.

Indian GSLV-III moonshot rescheduled for Monday.

>>10818789
POO ON MOON

>>10818786
Only counts for states.
Suck my dick, vessel-states.
You don't matter.

>>10818353
>crashing the market for moonrocks... WITH NO SURVIVORS

>>10818764>>10818777
>>10818786
>>10818807
Yet Puerto Rico keeps voting against becoming a state.

>>10819023
Nope. The two most recent referendums (2012 and 2017) voted in favor of statehood.

>>10819031
Also nope. They had a plurality for statehood, but not the requisite majority.

>>10819033
Tell that to Brexit pls

>>10818745
>WaPo offices

>>10818764
>>10818786
PR residents don't pay US federal income tax
...but I've heard that they do have some kind of local tax that is required to be as much, so mainlanders can't just go there to avoid taxes

>>10818735
Like the american civil war?

>>10818752
The beautiful thing is, space is plentiful. It doesn't affect anything if you need radiator fields the size of small countries.

>>10819261
The problem with that is that it's currently really expensive to send stuff into space. So while there is room to put a large factory along with the massive radiators necessary to cool it into orbit, the costs to do so would be so high that it wouldn't be worth the investment. Sure, launch costs are gradually going down now, but not enough. And while there are promises of cheaper ways into space being made now, those promises have been made decades ago and had never been filled (ex: Shuttle). The spaceflight industry shouldn't be focusing and advertising on what cool things await in the far future, because to most people that's no different than writing an episode for Star Trek. The industry should be focusing and advertising what cool things can be done now and the near future.

>>10819031
"Too bad"

>>10817360
>>10817550
It's just the Constellation logo again

>>10819261
>brainlet understanding of "space"
Zero g construction is very much limited mechanically. A 100m dish is an engineering marvel at this point. (USA-223) Russians consider using open-loop liquid droplet radiators for a reason.
> the size of small countries
at that scale the self gravity would come into play

new thread
>>10819833