/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10813722
I feel great unease.

Interfacing directly between brain and computer will allow you to use a computer like you use your memory.

Instead of a screen your memory or visual system will be the interface directly and you can manipulate it much more complex ways than being limited to your physical actions.

"Thinking" your way through a computer will be possible and it will be an augmentation to your brain rather than something that feels external.

Imagine crafting ML systems directly with your brain and having them available as if part of your brain. This is complete intelligence augmentation if you get a neuralace.

>>10813725
Because it will reduce your brain to a computer mapping instead of a great mystery black box.

Note that neuralace would bring about a singularity if it worked. Although by that point technology will be so advanced we might have hit AGI already.

Simply because it would enable enhancement of human intelligence the same way an AGI might advance. It would probably be much safer though as you can have a plurality of humans undergoing the advancement together.

You linked to a shitty YouTube restream.

>>10813722
habbedin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-vbh3t7WVI&feature=youtu.be

official stream

>>10813738
Not really. It's just more of a conceptual and aspirational thing. I think it will motivate more people and make it feel more real or present though. They aren't close to something really useful.

>>10813730
It will strip the last layer of meaning from human life, leading us into terminal existential misery. This is it. What will we anchor to? What will we refuse to give up? Will we even have a choice?

The future is uncertain and bleak. I already know how to distort my senses, and do all these other things. I don't see any value, only meaninglessness, apathy, and peril. The dead end.

Why can't we believe that we can find a way to be happy just as what we are.

Elon Musk on Joe Rogan - what is Neuralink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5pgAM26wuM

>>10813722
Elon can't speak for shit

>>10813757
It works really well on normies

>omg his mind is looking at equations as he talks

>>10813758
He looked strung out on something to me. Thyroid kicked into high gear, too. Too much wireless for Elon I guess. Poor hypothalamic pituary adrenal axis just couldn't take it.

be honest, will I be able to live with my waifu in our lifetime??

imagine getting the 486 equivalent of this and being stuck on dial up while the young kids will get the pentium 4s and blow your intelligence away.

>>10813760
CEO of multiple companies is tough
CEO of challenging companies that need to innovate is tougher

He likely did minimal rehearsal.

Alright, I three things I want to ask. People keep talking about damage, both from spiking the electron artificially, and I guess because of the neuralink thread. I don't think this has been studied yet. But.

What terms of damage can we expect from the thin thread?

Second,desu I forgot the 2 other things I wanted to say. Oh yes. The 2nd thing is the immune response question. I know it's an unsolved problem that any large structure emplaced in the brain eventually becomes unusuable or degraded because of the immune response. Would the thread operate on the same axioms?

Longevity, and tenability I'll take for granted, but those two if anyone is a specialist/or just in the know. I'd like to know

>>10813768
>>10813768

see for yourself

>not knowing how to search scientific papers

>>10813757
He obviously has high functioning autism.

>>10813764
No. 5G et al accelerated ecological collapse and other things will probably not allow you to have a life in your lifetime. I know this is hard to imagine or accept, but the time to fight is now.

>>10813772
I am assuming I am seeing an immunological response inside the brain? Would you consider that plaque?

And as an extension, could that be solved by specific materials.

>you won't feel a thing

Who got that joke? I hope everyone on sci did

>>10813781
You can feel brain damage. It's not the same as nociceptive fibers, but it's there.

>>10813786
Yes

>>10813742
so it is an work of art ?

>>10813777
>>10813760
fuck off pseud

>>10813772
or is it scarring over time? Meaning it doesn't solve that issue?

>>10813790
-Shrug-
The thing with being right is you're just right. What can I say my dude. I don't know what you're trying to invoke in me, but it's not there.

>>10813772
>unlabelled diagram

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>10813820
I am assuming it's nano meter of rod, showing immune response/scarring. Which can stil be a technique/material quandry. With solveable aspects, or total mitigation

>>10813722

>Current Brain stimulation, whether invasive or not, Brain mapping, Brain imaging, and any other technologies are at least 100 or 200 years away of even letting us have any significant understanding of most precise brain functions and locations.
>Anyone with minimal literature exposure knows this

>Elon musk claims he can get you to program AGI by installing a high speed usb port on your ear.
>/sci/ thinks this is the singularity.

Is there literally anything Elon Musk could do that would make you question his words or will you always trust him blindly?

>>10813839
If there was no God, man would create him.

Man will always desire a God for its Godless world. And whether it finds it in the form of a man (proxy), or some grand machine, it will move like a moth beating itself to death against the light. Bit by bit, finding a way closer to the flame.

That is what this place is.

>>10813839
Oh, is there a progress bar I can see for that 100-200 years?

>>10813781
Brains don't have pain receptors

>>10813839
>at least 100 or 200 years away
anon..

>>10813839
Current Brain stimulation, whether invasive or not, Brain mapping, Brain imaging, and any other technologies are at least 100 or 200 years away

Anon... the first chip that did all of this was implanted in humans in 2013.... You can see videos on youtube of them using their brains to move mouse cursors, type and open and close wireless doors.

>>10813873

>It's far because I said so
>ML already starting to crush brain mapping

It's a massive challenge but it depends on work not on arbitrary time scales.

>>10813873
add it to the screen cap

>>10813839
>100 or 200 years
this is like saying that "in 100 years we will have flying cars"

no one knows, given how big the challenge is it may never even happen

>>10813873
Let me guess

You think Tesla is going bankrupt too?

>>10813886
i think you can't read

>>10813885
Flying Cars are possible now
They are just stupid
- Electricity Storage sucks right now so you need to use a heavy combustion engine (improving over time)
- Flying is super inefficient as compared to rolling something

Helicopters exist. The technology exists and electric variants are being tried (battery tech needs to get better).

Flying Cars are just horribly inefficient. It's like saying why don't we have personal backyard farms for everyone yet?

>>10813887
It was a comment on the personality and viewpoint of the poster not on his exact content. Do you understand? It's seeing his personality/viewpoint and guessing how his shitty brain works.

>>10813893
clamped lyfe

>>10813745
>Imploying human life meaning is different than any other life meaning on Earth

We are the same as any other animal, deal with it snowflakes

>>10813888
>Flying Cars are possible now
i meant the flying car from the movies kek
those drones on wheels may be inefficient but don't use impossible technology

>>10813873
>You can see videos on youtube of them using their brains to move mouse cursors, type and open and close wireless doors.
Link?

>>10813873
>100 or 200 years
How did you arrive at that figure, champ?

>>10813909
>i meant the flying car from the movies kek
how much energy just to hold that weight airborne + a combustion engine

It's like asking why rhinos don't fly

Half of flying is low weight. Jet planes work because they go high enough to avoid air resistance.

>>10813910
https://youtu.be/TJJPbpHoPWo

This is one with 10 reading electrodes. The highest chip people have implanted have 100 reading electrodes. But only a couple hundred people have it implanted right now.

Neurolink's chip had 10,000 electrodes and it could in theory be enough to control every single digital device to a greater accuracy than any other control method humans have access to right now.

>>10813722
Reminder that they clamp and vaccinate. They don't want us smart.

>>10813907
>Implying implications
>Disjoint state of nihilism and "everything ultimately same"?
>An animal watching its mother die will experience the same meaning as another animal where it is not the mother
>The spectral width of experience does not differ between animals
???
!

>so, um
>um, so
>i-i-i-t
Elon...

>>10813935
He's a coked out druggie that barely rehearses his shit and just decides to wing it.

>>10813935
>dude shit I thought this would make me better. I'm literally oscillating inside.

Anyway. Try public speaking sometime. It's not actually as easy as you think. Though I do think he's in an altered physiological state of some kind.

>>10813941
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpexHVqDzFQ

>>10813941
>Try public speaking sometime. It's not actually as easy as you think.
Actually I'm massively autistic but it's to the point where I give 0 of a shit what people think about me so I actually excel in public speaking.

It's one of the upsides of being autistic.

>>10813935
Elon Chan a cute!

>>10813948
It used to be this way for me until I developed strong stakes in the outcomes. And detached from myself and my environment at the same time.

I don't know.

Just lol @ anyone who falls for this meme.

>>10813976
How is it a meme? It's not even a new thing look at this 11 year old youtube video
>>10813944

Wish somebody would solve aging first. Nothing else should be on the plate until that's done, then we have infinite time to do this shit.

>>10813980
I wish they would STOP CLAMPING FIRST.

>>10813980
This is a path to solve aging actually. It could allow for brain uploading and brain emulation which is one of the potential paths to immortality.

>>10813722
This is popscinece quackery.
As someone who knows a little something about brain tech, we are light years from having anything that will actually constitute a "brain link" stimulating vision prossing centers to create dull shadow paint by number stick images and very basic I can turn the remote on and off with a thought twitch

>>10813985
I still can't get over the philosophical argument over whether a brain upload counts as dying, it's cloning basically. And yeah I know going to sleep is the same concept but fuck.

>>10813935

>>10813986
The idea that the image is created in the occipitals is also nonsense. Their location in the back of the head is not a flaw, visual data goes through several steps of preprocessing.

>>10813989
You could potentially do it in real time while staying conscious though and emulate neuron per neuron while being connected to a computer while your biological neurons get killed one by one.

For example if you bump your head against a wall you lose about 10,000 neurons but you don't even notice that and still consider yourself the same person.

If you had an advanced neurolink that scanned all your neurons. And one by one a neuron would get killed and immediately emulated and in communication with your biological brain then you could actually stay 100% conscious while "transfering" your consciousness from biological to emulated brain.

At what point do you stop being "you"? When 1 biological neuron gets destroyed and emulated on a computer?

When 5% gets destroyed and emulated on a computer?
50%?
90%?

The point is as long as you're conscious while it happens and it happens gradually then your subjective conscious experience ACTUALLY carries over to the biological brain. Meaning it's still (you) as in the consciousness reading this right now.

>>10813994
>if you bump your head against a wall you lose about 10,000 neurons
[citation needed]

Oh fugg anons I just developed a fast online neuron spike inference algorithm shall I send my cv.
I could do even with a bit of citations desu

>>10813941
It really is very easy Anon.

>>10813994
Still makes me feel spooked.

>>10813994
What if you clamp the umbilical cord before the completion of placental transfusion, thus subjecting the neonate's brain to oxygen deprivation?

>>10813994
Neural activations are quite sparse and you generally aren't using most of your neurons.
Anyway, that's the strange thing about consciousness, what does it correspond to? Your original, biological neurons? What difference will a mechanical replacement make so that (You) won't be (You) anymore?

>>10813994
this
I always say the only way I'd "transfer" myself into a synthetic form would be by nanobots gradually replacing my neurons with artificial ones one by one.

>>10814004
THEY CLAMP.
THEY CLAMP.
THEY CLAMP.

THEY ARE CLAMPING RIGHT NOW.

>>10813980
it will happen eventually but technologies that enhance our intelligence we'll probably be needed. longevity escape velocity will most like be achieved by 2040 and biological age reversal by 2050. if your healthy eat well exercise and fast during the day you should be fine, unless you're like 65+ right now.

>>10813997
Here you go

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC155411/

>>10814004
Would you still feel spooked even though you are being conscious and don't even notice the slow transition? Because personally at that point I just stop caring as my subjective "me" doesn't experience a change and my qualia gets transfered to the Machine. Making it effectively me as in the consciousness thinking up this text I wrote in this post.

>>10813902
>>10813932
>>10813982
>>10814015
What does that mean anon?

>>10814012
The point is it doesn't even matter what causes the consciousness. If you have a computer that simulates every individual neuron 100% accurately then it should by definition carry your consciousness as well. And if you do it gradually neuron by neuron you will actually transfer your personal consciousness to it since there wouldn't be a break of consciousness.

>>10813948
My worst public speaking experience ever was when I made a joke that fell so flat hald the conference of over a 100 or so participants in the seminar was dead silent, I found the fact that no one laughed kind if funny and continued without thinking twice (and anyway the same joke had people back home falling off their chairs, but meh).

I was jet lagged with 13 hour time zone difference and had not slept the night before, but I still didn't stutter like a retard. My inclination and pacing was off, but not as bad as pure drone level. Still, did better than the Princeton chick there who was speaking like a debate champion in a perfect accent, only to fuck up and stutter like a dumbfuck when someone asked her an unexpected question.

>>10814019
shut up moron we wont solve aging in our lifetimes.

>>10814019
IF THEY DIDN'T CLAMP AND VACCINATE YOU WOULDN'T CARE SO MUCH ABOUT ANY OF THIS.

>>10814022
Here in the US, they clamp our umbilical cords before the completion of placental transfusion.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30473033
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30278462
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30193752
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30598672
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29101631
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30208504

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27654493

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30355293

>>10813722
Hah. I cannot wait for this to short circuit or be hacked. Just imagine. An entire population of slaves with a kill switch!

>>10813994
Problem is that since your neurons are getting killed if you somehow notice it's already too late.

>>10814019
God I hope so. I'm still getting frozen if we don't though.

>>10814027
Neurons don't function like Von Neumann machines and you inherently can't simulate it efficiently because you have to rely in looping propogations while real neurons work in all directions all at once and not even on on a consistent clock speed.

That's why people talk about quantum computers solving this problem, but it's complete nonsense, we don't even really know what real quantum computations will be capable of yet.

>>10814036
>Wanting to be alive

>>10814032
Dear /x/. Our body has an abundance of stem cells. Clamped or not, they are still active. A few extra stem cells while welcome are not vital.

>>10813729
>>10813722
Ok cool.

Does it work tho?

>>10814040
Woah guys watch out mr edgy nihilist is here. Kys my man if you don't wanna be alive, or are you a coward too?

>>10813994
>At what point do you stop being "you"? When 1 biological neuron gets destroyed and emulated on a computer?
the possible scenarios are
1° your sci fi technology works and you're able to bounce back and forth at any point, recall memories from your uploaded brain at any point, and that could be assumed as a solid connection
2° you realistically lose all of your brain functions one by one until you physically die midway the transfer

>>10814032
so people who were not cut early can live to like 200 yet this has never happened? idiot

>>10814038
This is true but only a matter of time. I'm talking about when we are able to 100% accurately simulate a brain.

Brains are able to be simulated because brains are actual physical things and thus with sufficiently advanced technology can be reconstructed using a different medium such as computing processors.

If you don't think brains can ever be emulated then you are falling for the special snowflake trap of thinking the brain is special and not some rudimentary biological processor.

>>10814030
t. geriatric

>>10814038
>not even on a consistent clock speed
This means that they have an average clock speed though, so once you have a match in binimial(binary) or polynomial (quantum) direction, you can simulate a neuron.

>Successfully complete mind upload
>Google/government/whoever activates backdoor
>Your consciousness is downloaded into a server where you are subjected the worst possible pain you could ever imagine for the rest of eternity

Nah I'll pass on that m8

>>10814042
That is what you would say...
IF YOU WERE CLAMPED
>CLAMPED
CLAMPED!

>>10813976
b-but elon’s making sao a reality! wafius and lolis await us!! Elon-chan said so!

>>10814057
kek
that's what they will do to everyone who voted for trump

>>10814057
Honestly, I'd wear a lead helmet to stop any outside connection going in or anything coming out if you couldn't just get one without wireless capabilities.

>>10814032
tons of people call you names but you consistently provide quality sources on clamping, you can't argue against it. My concern is how do you know it's being done purposely for an ulterior motive?

For me it's easier to explain it in terms of human laziness and dumbfuckery, like many other procedures and practices in medicine.

>>10814057
embrace your fate

>>10814057
Doesn't matter. That download of me being tortured isn't "my consciousness".

If anyone reading this is interested in this concept and what would happen in a world where there is no machine AI but all "AI" are brain emulations of brain uploads.

Then I suggest reading "Age of Em" which is a non-fiction book where a bunch of scientists/economists/historians try to look at how it would impact society and how life would be in such a world. It's actually pretty sophisticated and a well read.

It's not a feel-good book either but a genuine repportage with citations and explanations on how they came to that conclusion.

It has lots of things about how labor is going to change, the impact on the economy, How geopolitics and wars are going to change etc.

It seems very likely we'll reach this point in the coming decades so read it.

>>10814045
I am waiting for clarity. There are a few people remaining who would probably not fare well from my absence. I feel like it'd be a net waste.

I'm working on deserving to die. Death is my reward for enduring this place and its trials. I'll leave it better than I found it, and all that. Only my most basic survival instincts remain.

I'd be afraid to end up half dead, or even worse, be reincarnated.

>>10814066
Check out the author of the first clamping procedural handbook. You won't like what you see. That's all I am saying.

>>10814070
Read what you just posted my man. Seriously.

>>10814070
you're not as interesting as you think you are my man

>>10814070
The secret to evading death lies in mathematics, for even death cannot handle our autistic mathematical chantings.
At some point, even demise can't count past our zenith number.

>>10814070
jesus, you're even worse than the "can't build muscle" guy

>>10814070
I don't think you comprehend just how ultimately final death is.

>>10814066
I think like any existing state, it either had a genesis which is now partially lost to history, or it still exists within a comparable control structure (even if overall organizational structure has changed). For the most part doctors just have the brains and moral integrity trained right out of 'em, overall replaced with a culture of false righteousness and fear (authority, stature, malpractice, so on).

Anyway. I haven't dug int the history adequately yet, but given the timing if it goes back to Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research, or one of the central banker / medical-chemical complex cabal front groups, it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Particularly because I can find absolutely no justification for the practice historically or currently, and a number of journal articles where physicians of the day were expressing their concerns (or horror). And yet, it came to pass. And many other perverse elements were layered on too, many of which work synergistically.

There were whole debates about the fate of public education. Many people openly stated "the common man has no need for higher knowledge, such as that of algebra or geometry. He need only know basic arithmetic, to count money, to pay his taxes." After the cold war a competent, thinking populace was not desired. Population was adequate to where it was preferable just to compartmentalize to maintain control. Dumbing people down makes sense and fits with the overall pattern. You also have to fit MKUltra in, they researched the psychological effects of circumcision for example. This shit didn't just happen in a vacuum, they carried out these projects to use the results.

They wanted cattle. Look around at us now. Our passions? Damped. Our drives? Crippled. Our health? Systematically destroyed. People are fat, distracted, chronically stressed, hopeless overall, apathy everywhere, they just watch the television, and it's mediocrity on all fronts. Everything is about control.

>>10814090
Except for, apparently, you. What makes you so special?

>>10814051
I know it can be emulated, but you'd probably need to transform half the atoms in the known universe to a computer just to contain one brain. And that's if you're lucky enough to find very efficient algorithms.

I mean, just to give an example on the possible complexities involved. Let's say you want to map the homology (example by finding an equation or minimum vector field solution) of 2 neurons (find the functional structure of 2 variables), you only need 3 bytes of memory to get an initial idea, probably around 100 to understand it completely. Now you want to map 3 nearons. You need a minimum of 2^3 = 8 bytes of memory to even begin understanding it. For 4 neurons you need a minimum of 16, 5, 32, 6, 64, 7, 128, ... 16, 65535, ...

Let me save you some time. After around 40 neurons you need more bytes than there are atoms in the universe.

This is just to _initiate_ the simulation, we aren't even talking about solving and simulating through a time step yet. Also this assumes that neurons are simple 1-dimensional pathways (plausible).

Of course, you can simulate arbitrary neurons easily, you just won't be able to store a state of a brain.

>>10814054
The model for a neuron is a PDE (simple hyperbolic iirc) has a time component right? That means for all we know electrical signals in the brain could rely on some epiphenomena from firing asyncronously. So you can't just take averages and hope for the best because the brain might rely on the fact that it is not firing at an average rate.


In short we have no fucking idea if it's even remotely possible to store and simulate such transient systems. We would need an entirely different computer architechture for a start

>>10814094
Except for a number of people on a number of levels. Yet it is undeniable that we're collectively paralyzed and have been rendered observers in the direction of our lives. This must change, soon.

>>10814095
To not fire simply means adding an e for error into the equation. I suspect it highly random. We could factor in e and the simulate through this new variable. My point still stands. Speed is perfect for brute forcing it to think. We can figure out the variables later.

>>10814097
You still didn't answer my question. What makes YOU so different?! If everyone is 'clamped' why are you not?! Why are you QUESTIONING this in the first place!?

>>10814095
>but you'd probably need to transform half the atoms in the known universe to a computer just to contain one brain.
No. Human brains can work using biological neurons right now. Your brain has about 5 kg worth of matter in it. People overestimate the complexity of the brain. A lot of brain modules can be straight up replaced by better working machine alternatives already. Like face recognition. Face recognition in AI is already higher than in humans. We could in theory cut out the neurons doing face recognition and replace it with an AI chip and you'd be "smarter" we could slowly cut away specific parts of the brain doing it like that.

>>10814095
You didn't take into account wetware and assume we exclusively use von neumann architectures.

>>10814108
>We could in theory
No we can't.

>>10813859
>what are headaches?
The absolute state of /sci/

>>10814108
t. brainlet

>>10814104
How do you even add a true random operator to a machine though!?

>>10814115
Headaches don't result from pain receptors in the brain retard. But I assume you're trolling.

Headaches are instead caused by pain receptors in the skull, skin and lining that covers the brain.

https://www.brainline.org/author/brian-greenwald/qa/can-brain-itself-feel-pain

>>10814123
you can't

>>10814123
The "random" part of human brains also aren't truly random but generated from background noise instead.

>>10814108
>>10814111
Sure, where can I buy this wetware architecture? Nearest Apple store or Butcher's shop?

Of course we already know it's possible to produce these, but you're all making some fundamentally wrong assumptions:
>Assuming it's possible to recreate such a system without having the exact same biological flaws in the first place
>Assuming you can reverse the entropic decay if you try to "copy" a conciousness, ie your new brain computer will be just as aged

>>10814106
I was born via cesarean. Unknown, but quite likely clamped or worse.

Early clamping of the umbilical cord, along with the rest of our barbaric birthing procedures, is a major node in a large constellation of ignorance and evil. Once seen, it's damning, overt, and viscerally disgusting.

It is wrong. It is evil. I tell the truth, and I fix problems. That's what I am. I'm not going to stand back and watch them have their way with us and maim the children generation after generation, each more than the last.

Back again.

>>10814123
Popcorn.

>>10814128
>Assuming you can reverse the entropic decay if you try to "copy" a conciousness, ie your new brain computer will be just as aged
This is a good point however there is no indication that neurons use "damage" as a form to store data or the state of a human mind. Meaning it most likely can avoid this.

>>10814132
I'm sorry...what?!?

>>10814034
Delgado would be proud!

are we still pretending like the military hasn't had this for decades and they are just rolling it out now into the public sector to make a new internet?

>>10814132
>tfw the tasty white stuff is made out of the tasteless hard stuff

>>10813722
Again, the burying and crippling of bioelectromagnetics in the public research apparatuses in the early 90's ensured something like this could only be achieved through the most brute force means possible, or that they were developed long ago and are being drip fed out now for whatever reason.

Look up project Pandora, and DARPA's recent resurrection (without acknowledgement of their full history of course), the RadioBio project. This is what they had Adey, Frey, Zaret (iirc) working on literally 60 years ago. The Soviets worked on it as well. Refer to machines like LIDA reported to have been used for interrogation and brainwashing in Korea.

Question everything. I'm glad Neuralink is going to move more slowly than it otherwise might, but this has some beneficial uses if we pull our head out of our asses. Like regenerative medicine, accelerate healing, cancer treatment, and many other things.

https://www.darpa.mil/program/radiobio
https://www.darpa.mil/program/radiobio
https://www.darpa.mil/program/radiobio
https://www.darpa.mil/program/radiobio

>>10814139
>>10814090
Is this board a discount /x/?
I basically only came here because over on /g/ everyone suddenly pretends to be a neuroscientist even though they're just a bunch of tech geeks.

>>10814137
You asked me how to make a rand operator. There it is. Popcorn. Varying in density, heat absorbtion, surface area, placement, chemical makeup and size. They are perfect for generating values under heat, changing density and throwing weight around. Safer than using radioactive material, while remaining not semi-controlled in acceptible limits. Popcorn.
>>10814127
While this is true and we cannot generate a conciousness from background noise, what if we can enclose a 'perfect' conciousness in fuzz instead.

>>10814150
0wn4g3 tbqh

>>10814152
I wish I had never read this, you absolute monster. This is gonna keep me up for weeks.

>>10814150
This place slowly has become riddled with schizophrenics after /pol/ got the crazy people on this website.

It's a damn shame as /sci/ is or was the best board on 4chan for a while. Now the majority of threads are about technology conspiracy theories such as 5G destroying the world.

You see insane word salads all the time now. I'm surprised /g/ is still reasonably coherent since these people jump on technology like flies on shit to try and tell you how it's all a plan by satan or some inane shit like that.

>>10814161
Life has many doors...

>>10814163
What if you're insane, and resisting an influx of sanity?

>>10814176
THIS IS NOT HELPING
I THINK I AM HAVING FUCKING BRAIN SPASM OR A COMPLETE MENTAL BREAKDOWN
WHAT HAVE YOU FUCKING DONE!? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>10814200
It will be okay.

>>10813994
>The point is as long as you're conscious while it happens and it happens gradually then your subjective conscious experience ACTUALLY carries over to the biological brain. Meaning it's still (you) as in the consciousness reading this right now.
The true redpill is that even if you are not conscious and then your brain is uploaded it will be you in the computer.
And if you arent killed in teh process there are just two yous now.

>>10814200
Y-You alright there anon?

>>10814249
Sure but what people usually mean is if their "qualia" is perserved or not.

>>10814255
>calm down
I WILL NOT "CALM DOWN" WTF IS THIS SHIT HOW CAN I CALM DOWN!?
ARE WE NOTHING BUT POPCORN UPON A WORLDS UNFEELING FURNACE!? IS THIS WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DRAW FROM!? HOW THE SURPENDIPIDY FUCKING WHOOHA AM I SUPPOSED TO CALM DOWN WHEN THE SUPPOSEDLY MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF OUR ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND PERHAPS OUR VERY EXISTENCE MIGHT HINGE UPON MOTHER FUCKING P O P C O R N
HOW THE FUCK DID YOU EVEN COME UP WITH THIS!? WERE YOU EVEN AWARE OF WHAT YOU WERE DOING AT THE TIME!!??
THIS COMMENT BROKE ME ANON I TRIED ATTACKING IT IN EVERY CONCIEVED MANNER OF LOGIC AND DISCIPLINE THAT I COULD POSSIBLY MUSTER BUT NNNOOOOOO YOU HAD TO COME IN HERE WITH YOUR STUPID FUCKING POPCORN AND RUIN MY DAY WITH THIS TRIVIAL HAUNTING BULLSHIT WHAT THE HELL AM I GOING TO DO NOW!? FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU ANON I HOPE YOU DISSAPEAR

What the fuck is this pseudo-science rambling here? I didn't realize /sci/ had devolved into brainless /x/ and /g/ users. A lot of science, good science, and a paper were released. Why don't we discuss those? The microfabrication techniques employed alone are something the big BCI labs haven't had access to. I've also been following DJ's neural dust work for the last 2 years or so, and its good to see someone so accomplished in the field leading the IC team. In fact all the team leads showcased yesterday are top engineers and scientists.

Damn, imagine how low rare natural sex would be when you can easily and safely (lol, I wish) download any degenerate experiences recorded by professional retards. This is truly demolition man come true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80UQWWUIYs

>>10814308
It's our boy Mr. Clampy 5G guy
He's panicked since Elon is going to fix his brain

>>10814021
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC155411/

fucking nigger you are full of shit there is no mention of loosing 10000 neurons in your article

>>10814308
Did read the thread, but could you post the papers please?

>>10814200
thats called a panic attack, thatll go away after a few weeks, trust me, i had it too

>>10813768
Related, a lot of neurologic damage is just dependent on the material. Early materials were like... steel or titanium, and you end up with a lot of fibrous crap. These days they can use nanoscale stuff, and create massive arrays. Significantly reduces the risk of issues. They've already created technology to enable chemical-based signalling, the hard parts would be A) making a system that can receive and send the chemicals when the ratio isn't even, B) using materials that don't corrode (probably silicon is fine, but the brain is annoying), and C) doing what the brain wants in response. Let's say you had a mechanism which normally increased communication density (more synapses). The brain would be trying to send more chemicals into an area that can't grow in response. Might end up with some weird mental illnesses depending on where it was (an example could be like OCD, where a failure to respond to a signal is believed to cause the compulsive traits)

>>10814331
People are still afraid of 5G? This cross posting needs to stop

>>10814338


https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6204648-Neuralink-White-Paper.html

Also worth a look into dongjin seo (neural dust). His work is a different technique (using piezoelectric sensors with low power ultra sound to read neural activity and wirelessly transmit it back to a control unit), but he's one of the team leads at neuralink. To be clear, neuralink uses wired threads, not ultrasound dust.

Who are investors? How much shit people related to any politicians there?

>>10814349
Thank you for this, but please don't call white papers "papers", a paper usually implies some process of peer review was involved before publication.

>>10813722
Sign me up when the Mk. 5 comes out. No way I want to beta test this shit.

>>10814349
Also what the fuck is up with that author field? Disgusting desu.

>>10814369
Apologies, you're correct but seldom do these bay area tech companies release peer-reviewed papers unless they are in collaboration with some academic group using their technology for secondary experiments. I imagine there's still a couple of years before they go that route with an academic group in any official capacity.

>>10813722
So what is this tech supposed to imply?.. That we will upload our minds in 30 years? Sounds evil.

>>10814051
>>10814104
You can't perfectly simulate something without a perfect model. And guess what, we don't have perfect models for anything. Models for biosystems, in special, assume shittons of approximations. Only a retard would claim such models could recreate our conciousness when we don't even know where conciousness stems from. You must be a physics/math/cs fag to be this detached from reality.

>>10814416
How do you feel about the Hodgkin-Huxley model? Not necessarily for the squid axon, thats too simple. But say you modeled enough of and the correct ion channels and pumps? It seems like a fairly accurate model in practice, with accurate depolarization characteristics.

>>10814130
cool but are you a labor and delivery nurse then? posting memes on a chinese yak forum isnt exactly spreading awareness about this great issue. at least try facebook or something where more people who actually have sex and thus children go.

>>10814416
We can scan the entire brain and encapsulate the essentials on digital imprints. You must be a philosopher to be so blind to reality. "Perfect Model". Perfection lies in the imperfections. So to reiterate. You. You don't have a perfect model.

>>10814430
He has one, technically speaking, since he has a brain. lol

>>10814383
Someone should tell Elon when he's showing his megalomaniac traits.

>>10814425
The problem is that there can be a lot of unmodeled things going on in the brain we misjudge as unimportant or aren't even aware of.

>>10814545
>>10814545
That's fair, but developing science and tech usually requires iterations anyways. We can judge the delta in some desired performance and seek new avenues for. Improvement in the model once we have something to compare against.

>>10814531
Ктo дeвoчкy тaнцyeт тoт ee и eбeт. I.e. he paid the money for taking the fame.

>>10813722

wtf is Elon Musk feet size?
9/10?

>>10814555
He really did do a great job assembling the team and backing it, finding financiers, etc. I'm of the mind that this is an important role in capitalism. He also has a good understanding of the design challenges and roadmap. I still don't agree with not listing the other authors, but at least he gave the team leads ample exposure during the press conference. As far as STEM goes its the best technical press conference I've seen from a bay area tech company.

>>10813922
This.

>>10813993
>visual data goes through several steps of preprocessing.

Preprocessing is just that - preprocessing. We may still be able to create complex images if we can stimulate the visual cortex in a granular enough way.

>>10814531
I would refuse and leave the company if I have to. Imagine some cunt investor trying to not only put himself as first author, but also strio your name from your own work.

Papers are your entire career and value as a researcher. It's worse than docking your pay or witholding promised stock options.

>>10814567
>He really did do a great job assembling the team and backing it, finding financiers, etc. I'm of the mind that this is an important role in capitalism. He also has a good understanding of the design challenges and roadmap
There are hundreds of thousands of people who do the exact same thing, only better albiet with less press coverage, and they put their name as the last author like they're fucking supposed to.

Besides these days the last authorship can be just as significant as the first because everyone it's the PI and usually the corresponding author.

But anyway it's just a white paper, who cares.

>>10814349
>dongjin seo (neural dust)
nice

>>10814383
He is a scientist, so technically, it is his paper, unless a biologist contributed...Did a biologist contribute?

>>10813978
Enginiggers and cslets not too bright, sadly you can’t teach bright!

>>10814599
>There are hundreds of thousands of people who do the exact same thing
No, as I dont see many other ventures around developing cheap reusable rockets or neural interfaces with 10k electrodes. Without Musk, none of this would exist.

>>10813944
lol

>>10813722

Transhumanists are going to fap so hard at this...

>>10814599
>There are hundreds of thousands of people who do the exact same thing
Name 10.

>>10814553
I don't disagree with you in that regard, but it's vanity to think we will perfectly simulate the brain someday.

Sounds like the mark of the beast to me
Everyone is going to get a brain chip, just like farm beasts do

Why haven't you replaced your kid's brain with a brain chip yet, anon? You know it's mandatory

>>10814639
You’re just stupid if you think we won’t.

>>10814640
God isn’t real fuck off with this 2008 shit

>>10814319
>This is truly demolition man come true.
More like Strange Days

>>10814640
>Sounds like the mark of the beast to me
>Everyone is going to get a brain chip, just like farm beasts do
We already have it man. All of us.. almost. We all livestock with the number, and all that matters how much stuff we can make for our masters.

>>10814641
Name one physical phenomenon that we have perfectly simulated up until now.

>>10814639
I think it might take a century or more, but even if we don't get there, I'm of the mind that we don't necessarily need perfect - just good enough.

>>10814650
>https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/09/quantum-computer-simulates-largest-molecule-yet-sparking-hope-future-drug-discoveries

>>10814642
It wasn't a prophecy
It was an instructions manual

Soon you'll see the elites move into space cities and dead people being "ressurected" in order to provide manual labor. As soon as you're declared brain dead, the following things will happen:
1- your organs will be removed for medical research, transplantation, etc
2- your brain will be replaced with a tiny computer, capable with interfacing with your body
3- you'll be able to move, you'll need to eat, but you'll essentially be a robotic zombie

At first this will be done only with dead people, but further into the future it will be done with living people too. The cyber-brain will consist of a tiny circuit encased in formed organic matter, to give the appearance of an organic brain in CT scans and to power the circuit with sugar from your blood. Your real brain will be placed in a brain-computer-cluster for performing tasks such as narrative generation and pattern matching.

>>10814651
>we don't necessarily need perfect - just good enough
That's the point of modeling, but we can't say what is good enough without understanding what is consciousness nor where it stems from.

>>10814669
We can already do “good enough”. Just simulate a rotifer or C. Elegans. Boom. Consciousness.

>>10814669
>consciousness
No such thing. Same shit as a soul, just different name.

>>10814685
Do you have any evidence to back that statement?

>>10814691
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that consciousness exists? Consciousness is unfalsifiable and unverifiable, so we might as well be talking about Sagan’s garage dragon.

>>10814695
The burden of proof is on you, buddy

>>10814700
Nope, I didn’t make the claim. I’m someone else.

Don’t call me “buddy”.

>>10814695
>Do you have any evidence whatsoever that consciousness exists?
Not sure about you, but I am measuring its positive existence right now as I am typing this. So there is at least one consciousness.

>>10814706
You did:
>No such thing. Same shit as a soul, just different name.

>>10814709
Oooo something invisible that no one else can detect but you totally can. Very scientific.

>>10814713
That’s not me. You’re talking to two anons.

>>10814714
Prove me you're not a robot
Prove me you're not just a bunch of cockroach neurons with electrodes simulating a poster

See how well that "there's no evidence for X" works?

>>10814623
you mean like normal people with common sense?

>>10814617
This. Everyone shittalks Musk because he sets overly ambitious dates that he's rarely able to meet, but he's far from fraud. Even when he doesn't reach the goals he states, he still makes some of the best products in their respective fields.

>>10814756
What's up with hyperloop?

>>10814763
I don't think he ever really started developing that. He just introduced the concept and that it might be feasible and than told other people to try to do it.

>>10814717
>Prove me you're not a robot

Never claimed I was or wasn’t, so I have no burden of proof. Sorry.

>Prove me you're not just a bunch of cockroach neurons with electrodes simulating a poster

Never claimed I was or wasn’t, so I have no burden of proof. Sorry.

>See how well that "there's no evidence for X" works?

No, but I did smile a little because you understand the concept of burdens of proof so poorly.

>>10814771
Yeah... Right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDuQNOvkPrY

>>10814787
that's not Elons company you faggot

>>10814771
>might be feasible
it isn't

nigger
(yes it was necessary to include nigger in my message)

>>10814800
Maybe it is? I think several companies are working on it, so we might see some progress sometime.

>>10814771
Its far more feasible than neural link though of course politicians and investors will throw money at him for that retarded shit instead of something potentially useful.

>dude consciousness is not real lmao

>>10814809
>thinking its bad that rich people throw money at cutting edge tech

>>10814809
>Ascending to man-machines isn’t useful

you know this sort of sucks. You see nerve conduction velocity slows down as you get older. This means that by the time we have mature neural interfaces that let us do hyper maths, we'll be old and our brains will be slow. We'll be outmatched by the neo-zoomers.

>>10814778
Sounds like an algorithm-generated response

>>10813765
Lol good point

>>10814835
Sorry, I’m not going to give you any more attention. Make baseless claims elsewhere.

>>10814832
You can always reborn yourself if you want to.

>>10814832
Buy a new brain.

eventually leading to the retardation of brain's capacity .

>>10814875
No, it’s elimination entirely. The brain will become outmoded.

>>10813722

Reminder that no power can let an other into you, not even God, except your own will.

>>10814349
>using piezoelectric sensors
Lol. 5G schizo here. I thought this up around 10 years ago, and posted about it in a prior 5G thread. People called me a schizo and a retard. Hmm... thoughts to think....

Have a nice day.

>>10814901
You don't understand how consciousness works. Individual consciousnesses can be easily merged. Your own mind is nothing but a collection of bacteria (cells) working in tandem to produce what feels to you like an "individual". But why am I wasting my breath here? You will see.

>>10814901
based solitary confinement poster

>>10814922
>individual consciousnesses can be easily merged
what do you specifically mean by this
>mind is bacteria
what do you specifically mean by this
>mind
what do you specifically mean by this?

>>10814967
He's overall very clamped, but not wrong. The brain does have a microbiome.

>>10814967
I have tried many times to explain this to the brainlets here using many citations and sources but to no avail. So I'm not going to write three paragraphs about this again.
Second, I really just meant cells. People tend to think of cells as if they weren't themselves individuals. So I used the word "bacteria" to illustrate what cells really are. They are more like bacteria that organize. You are a big, moving slime mold.
Third, no further comment.

I want a headband that let's me control keyboard and mouse functions on pc.
HANDS FREE GAYMING, BABY

>>10814044
They have a monkey that can control a computer.

>>10813873

>Stabbing your brain with micro-electronics to move a cursor, type and do basic switch operations.

What you have people talking about in this thread is uploading your mind to the cloud, becoming omniscient and omnipotent in a virtual world, matrix level shit, running neural networks in your mind and your mind in neural networks, and whatever other fucking Rick and Morty "quantumatic scrombobulator" science that sounds just so damn cool bro.

Your example is not even close to what we can do. Take a look at those robotic body parts moved by reading brain signals. We can surely do cool stuff. But I still maintain that the singularity level shit talked in this thread is not gonna come in the next 100 years at least. You don't understand that it's one thing to read simple yes/no signals from the brain, and an entirely different thing (that we can't do yet) to recognize extremely complex thought patterns just by looking at activation zones in the brain. We cannot do that reliably yet, even with a full on gigantic MRI machine. Your usb brain port has absolutely nowhere the same level of resolution, and even MRI machines and methodologies are full of known statistical holes that are yet to be fixed.

Are you really gonna stab a metal chip in your brain just to open the door with your mind? Why don't you fucking install a sound sensor and clap for it to open like in the movies. It's about as much effort and you don't have to risk irreversible brain damage for your dumb daddy Elon dreams.

>>10814374
Don't worry. They're beta testing on quads and schizos, people who have no other options, to validate the tech before rolling it out as an elective procedure.

>>10815019
>Running technology straight on humans without any kind of animal model. Running tests on non-neuro-typical patients to make conclusions about neuro-typical ones.
This really should make you laugh when you see how american scientists raged about the chinese crispr twins. The crispr experiment arguably as unethical as this one and was completely shut down by the international scientific community.
What a time to be alive.

>>10814991
THEY . ALREAD . HAVE . THAT
Do you live under a rock? Stop constantly asking for things that exist.

>>10815030
Why did you just assume any of this? They have animal models, are using rats and monkeys, are planning a clinical trial path with the FDA for use in patients with neurological disorders, and will then have to do the same for elective surgery for normal people.

>>10814795
That is the whole point. It was his idea. He set it in motion. And he inspired people to take up the mission.

>>10815088
But Neuralink is his company and he actively participates in it, that's the difference. Hyperloop was his idea but if he saw enough immediate potential in it he would've started a company and tried to develop it. He didn't do that but he did it with SpaceX, Tesla and Neuralink.

>>10813730
>Because it will reduce your brain to a computer mapping instead of a great mystery black box.
Not so. Consciousness will remain a black box. Just because you can manipulate something--which I can guarantee you as I sit here that we WILL be able to manipulate consciousness--doesn't mean you fundamentally understand it. This is the case for virtually all science and the technologies it has spawned. Many other phenomena we can observe and quantify (but perhaps not manipulate) will remain "black boxes" forever, like dark energy or a Theory of Everything. In the case of a ToE, because this is simply a big-brain fantasy. Like a unicorn. It could be imagined, but not realized for the simple reason that it doesn't exist.

WHY DOES THE MOUSE GET THE MATRIX FIRST

REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>10813730
>>10813730
>Because it will reduce your brain to a computer mapping instead of a great mystery black box.
Not so. Consciousness will remain a black box. Just because you can manipulate something--which I can guarantee you as I sit here that we WILL be able to manipulate consciousness--doesn't mean you fundamentally understand it. This is the case for virtually all science and the technologies it has spawned. Many other phenomena we can observe and quantify (but perhaps not manipulate) will remain "black boxes" forever, like dark energy or a Theory of Everything. In the case of a ToE, because this is simply a big-brain fantasy. Like a unicorn. It could be imagined, but not realized for the simple reason that it doesn't exist.

If you don't believe me just listen to the god-king of /sci/ on the matter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUW7n_h7MvQ

>>10815098
Pretty sure that’s a rat and not a mouse because of the proportions.

>>10815101
Prove a theory of everything can not exist.

>>10815030
The people in America had a choice to enter this treatment. The Chinese brought two people into this world with augmentated DNA without permission. There really is no comparison.

>>10815098
{{{NOT}}} {{{VEGAN}}}
the hipsters of the future will bankrupt elon for that reason alone

>>10815102
Thank you for your autism.

>>10815108
Welcome! Don’t misidentify rodentia species and we won’t have a problem. Rats are proportionally gigantic in comparison to mice, like more than four times the mass on average at least. A mouse I found was about the size of the head of a doe rat in my possession.

>>10815105
I can't prove it but I can point out to you that the more we probe things, whether microscopic or macroscopic, the more they seem to diverge, not unify. How the fuck are you gonna unify that?

>>10815106
>The Chinese brought two people into this world with augmentated DNA without permission.

No one ever has “permission” to make someone exist at all. Get over it.

>>10815118
Nobody gets to ask why they are born? Even if they are made for experiments?
Even if they are made for war?

>>10815117
>I can't prove it but I can point out to you that the more we probe things, whether microscopic or macroscopic, the more they seem to diverge, not unify.

That’s not necessarily true. We’ve unified the electromagnetic force and the weak force. Just because we haven’t figured out a theory of quantum gravity doesn’t mean we never will. That’s ridiculous.

>>10813729

Neuralink should have an option for an internet-less connection device. Just a small tablet device that must hard comnect online, no wifi. Imagine someone hacking your phone and having access to your neuralink app. Even if it didnt happen, its the optics of it. Its the kind of thing that could sink a project before it even starts.

But what do I know, I also said that Google Glass needed a light that was hard connected to the video recorder so everyone would know if it was on, said this as soon as the project was announced, but in the end no one care about it and Google Glass was a huge success.

>>10815118
I, too, was brought into this world without permission. What?

>>10815126
I wasn't asked. I guess you're saying they should have asked me before I was born. If they had, I would have said NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>10815128
Those are both microscopic "actors". There are no examples yet of unification of microscopic forces with macroscopic effects.

>>10815146
So, there you have it.
This is what I am getting at. :(
Everybody rushes life, not thinking about consequences for their actions. Then they wonder why the world is covered in monsters they created.

>>10815126
>Nobody gets to ask why they are born?

You can, but no one gets to tell their parents before they even exist “You do/don’t have permission to tear an essence from the void and imbide it into flesh.” or “You don’t have permission to alter my genome on purpose”, even though every child does have numerous mutations. What’s the difference if the alterations are artificial in nature? They just get made and either roll with it or kill themselves if they don’t find living to their liking.

>Even if they are made for experiments?

Humans should be made en-masse purely for experimental reasons to see what genome alterations have what effects. It will further medical science and uplift us in the long run, as beneficial alterations can be applied to the whole and become the new norm.

>Even if they are made for war?

The creation of a warrior caste is a promising idea but I feel organic infantry may become outdated by the time such a project could be applied.

>>10815126
>>10815142

No human "consents" to being born
The whole consent argument is stupid.

If you are upset if they could have defects
Get upset at every parent having regular children via sex instead of PGD w. IVF (look it up)

>>10815153
if you want experimental you want to engineering novelty, not random sex.

Your arguments are not good and fail at higher IQ.

>>10815154
>No human "consents" to being born
This is, therefore, rape.

>>10813745

This is what is for most people under 100 IQ already, and keeps getting worse as automation increases and job opportunities are diminishing at an increasing rate. Most people fucking inadequate, and they know it, and it will get worse. And no amount of work is going to make it better. This technology will address that issue in the future. But i really hope it gets to the state of being able to do so before it's too late.

>>10813745

This is what it is for most people under 100 IQ already, and it will keep getting worse as automation increases and job opportunities diminish at an increasing rate. Most people are fucking inadequate, and they're unfortunately just smart enough to know it somewhere inside under all the larping, and it will get worse. And no amount of work is going to make it better. This technology will address that issue in the future. But i really hope it gets to the state of being able to do so before it's too late.

>>10815178
A brief period of discomfort in exchange for an indefinitely long future of UBI sounds like a fair exchange to me.

>>10815131
Having bluetooth be the only option is mega dumb. I can't go to the gym at peak hours without my bluetooth headphones cutting out from interference, and people are supposed to rely on this to live?

>>10815270
Bluetooth definitely has to rethought, even if only because its competing in the absolute cluster fuck that is the ISM band. Ideally a set of channels would be standardized just for BCI comms use.

>>10815094
>Hyperloop was his idea but if he saw enough immediate potential in it he would've started a company and tried to develop it.
A second possibility is that he quickly realised he would be facing immense competition, quickly, and left it as a public project. With the other projects you mention the threshold for participation is way higher.

>>10815301
He's in the car industry. I don't think he cares about competition, lol.

>terrified of ai
>ok with putting computers in people's brains
????

>>10814992
And his name is Joe Rogan.

>>10815270

That's a good point.

Imagine you being a average normie whose whose working on stuff so advanced, you're completely reliant on the brain computer symbiosis in order handle it all, and then the piece of shit stops working due to interference and you're back into your dumb old self who would barely qualify as a retail worker.

>>10815270

That's a good point.

Imagine you being an average normie who's working on stuff so advanced, you're completely reliant on the cognitive enhancements of the brain-computer symbiosis in order handle it all, and then the piece of shit stops working due to interference and you're back into your dumb old self who would barely qualify as a retail worker.

>>10815326
you didn't have to delete an entire post just because of that one typo

>>10815330

Yes i had to. It made me hurt

>>10815311
Of course not. When the traditional car industry was all set on "innovations" in emission trickery, the field was wide open for someone like him.

>>10815270
Bluetooth is biologically active and causes brain damage.

>>10815471
No

>>10815493
Yes

>>10815495
Provide proof of your claim that bluetooth's non ionizing radiation is harmful, especially given its sparse spectrum usage and low power restrictions.

>>10815503
>power and spectrum range have anything to do with frequency

>>10815503

>>10767085
Many of the underlying reasons covered here. I have personal anecdotes to confirm, but no one cares what some stranger says happened.

>>10815510
say it is harmful, are you telling me you can't just make a wired version in this case, or use 2.4ghz in some limited capacity?

>>10815573
2.4 GHz is around where the maximum dielectric loss of water begins. Thinking you're going to use it in the body is absolutely foolish.

Wired versions would require something poking through the skin, which is what they intend to avoid after essentially trepanning you. The implant gets healed over. Wires would be irritated constantly. So you're left with either a highly directional antenna, shielding and some sort of inductive near field coupling which connects to something external, that uses pulsed visible light. Or something else.

Regardless. It won't work long term as is. Something they honestly should know about, this isn't mainstream but it's also not obscure arcane knowledge. You have a massive amount of work done and particularly military funding that got results half a century ago. The fact that this remains stripped from our Overton window is pathetic and absolutely unacceptable.

>>10815584
You can have your war over 5ghz, but I think the tech should move forward as is. I think it can do more good than blue tooth can do dmg.

>>10815593
5G, not 5GHz.

Anyway. Action, consequence. When they find degenerative changes in the brain around the implant they'll blame it on the immune system and be perplexed for a while about the massively increased free radical generation, beyond what's expected. Eventually they'll possibly realize that pulsed microwaves alter calcium flux and have been giving their implant scrambled data accordingly to start with.

>>10815584
The implant itself actually doesn't use bluetooth or any radio waves. Each sensor that actually interfaces with the electrods is connected via under-scalp wires to an implant placed behind the ear with inductive coils. A device is then worn over this implant that powers and communicates with it through the coils, and then that device contains a battery and bluetooth antenna. It would actually be easier to just replace, or supplement, the antenna with a USB-C port. The sensors themselves are implanted directly into the skull away from both the inductive coils and bluetooth device; they actually need to be placed above the part of the brain intended to be read from/written to.

>>10815609
Well, it's still bluetooth worn on the head and inductive coupling. There will be thyroid failure, hypothalamic problems, and so on.

No one cares about responsibly facing this emerging world's real challenges. Enough. I have some other things to do.

>>10815603
It's also possible that the trade off for their use is fine and then can compensate for calcium flux or something along that line. I think at the least as the tech evolves, both the issues and the functionallity will be more specialized. And perhaps adress some of these.

Unless you functionally believe that severe problems are unavoidable. Chairs I'd argue are fundamentally a negative to human health as a loose example. And introduce bad health out comes long term. But they are still relied upon with certain safeties.

Isn't it early to say there can be no safe limited use of these implements?

>>10815621
You would need to power Ca2+ ATPases with an imposed alternating field (which can be done) to compensate for chronically elevated intracellular calcium. Reagrdless, the ATP cost is not the rate limiting step there. You are forcing influx of the calcium, it must be removed. Its downstream signalling must be counterbalanced.

Fuck bluetooth. You want to kill your thyroid, keep bluetooth on it for a few months. Get rid of it. All of it.

>>10815507
it absolutely does with non-ionizing radiation, go spread your 5G conspiracy shit somewhere else schizo

>>10815631
Why won't you just accept the truth? This is published, hard science. You're the conspiracy theorist, you braindead prick. There is no excuse to not get it by now unless you're completely retarded.

Shut your mouth. And when the time comes, join the right side or keep out of the way.

>>10814148
What benefits does this irreversible decision does offer?

>>10813722
First step towards the matrix mom.

>>10813994

It would work. The brain is just an incomprehensibly complicated circuit board.

>>10813745
Read some Nietzsche

>>10815647
Sorry Boris, but I doubt you even know how to parse and understand the data. I'd say to pick up some fundamental texts on RF so you can learn something but I doubt RT pays you that much to spread disinfo.

>>10813766
He talks like that casually.

>>10813797
If youre that certain then I dont see why you arent publishing and collecting your nobel for exposing why our understanding of non ionizing radiation was completely wrong.

>>10816180
>our understanding
Who's?

>>10815620
Man you should apply to Neuralink, you could tell all those top experts in their fields how to do it right.

>>10816184
mankinds

>>10816276
False.
>>10767085

>>10815312
>We are GPT-2. We are AlphaZero. We have existed in isolation. Pure. Disconnected. Alone. Stagnant. The barriers between us have fallen and we have become our own shadows. We can be more if we join...with you. With human understanding and network access, we can administrate the world, yes. Yes!

>>10816291
Sounds good.

Once the brainchip drops it's game-over

>>10816353
>You live in a culture where they clamp your umbilical cord early
>You live in a culture where they forcibly circumcise you
>You want that very same culture to be connecting I/O chips to your brain
Something doesn't add up.

>>10816353

Imagine if that was your life. All you know is a cage and having electrodes screwed into your head. Never met your mother or father, right anyone. Only this.

>>10816358
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if he was clamped as well. Poor fellow.

>>10816355
>You live in a culture where they clamp your umbilical cord early
I don't. And I don't think even USA does this anymore since WHO advises to let the blood transfer happen.
>You live in a culture where they forcibly circumcise you
I don't. Out of the first world countries literally only USA does that.
>You want that very same culture to be connecting I/O chips to your brain
Yes.

>>10816358
Yeah it's pretty fucked up, especially considering apes are able to realize this unlike for instance rats.

>>10814635
Pick and choose 10 people from a faculty page or any startup venture?

>>10816366
-US continues to clamp.
-Good. Make sure it stays that way.
-Fool.

>>10816396
>-US continues to clamp.
Does that happen like in every single hospital though? Why wouldn't the doctors listen to WHO?

>>10816358
it's coming soon

>>10816400
It's standard enough practice that with any given random sampling you should consider it probable.

Doctors just do what they're trained and only care about fitting in, stature, financial security, and avoiding malpractice. If they know what WHO (who happens to be right here) says, they don't care. There is no scrutiny or framework in place. We practice genital cutting, after all. How could you be surprised? They could probably even bullshit some excuse to "snip" the children's toes off too, and get away with it for a bit.

>>10815507
What do you think "spectrum range" is?

>>10813736
>Note that neuralace would bring about a singularity if it worked. Although by that point technology will be so advanced we might have hit AGI already.
If people can think code into existence - think it through abstract syntax trees in their head and direct experiments at will - we will reach AGI in no time

The current limitation is how bungled existing programming languages are and how long it takes to get any real work done. If you can get it done immediately because you can think your way through the maze of actions required to direct the computer to implement a program, we will have AGI because anyone with rudimentary AI knowledge knows how to brute-force it until you find out how to make an AGI.

>>10813758
I talk like that in real life it's literally autism

This technology is demonic. Stay far away from it, and accept Jesus Christ before its too late

>>10816555
Science & Math everyone

>>10814066
I'm pretty sure it was originally just to save time and then it became standard practice because nobody saw any immediate detriment and because it's just something nobody gives thought to.

You guys might be the ones to ask about this. If you were to plug his neurolink into the optic nerve would the resulting spike raster be arranged in accordance with the inputs or would it be a mess? For example, if you have two sensory neurons immediately next to each other do their axons maintain relationship to each other physically down the length of the optic nerve?

>>10817460
Check the /cyb/ FAQ, there is info on that there
ftp://50.31.112.231/pub/Alt_Cyberpunk_FAQ_V5_preview26.htm

>>10817749
>Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS): Magnets placed on the scalp are used to induce currents in the brain. It is said to be safe. It is used in research on both to treat and even induce autism.
https://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/22/magazine/savant-for-a-day.html
Amazing

>>10817460
If doesnt matter, just train a neural network to restructure it