/sci/ - Science & Math

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>>10785248
Time is like a box of chocolates.

Tonight, I'm gonna have myself a real good time.

>>10785266
Kys namefag

>>10785274
Don't stop me now, I'm having such a good time

>time
>real

>>10786048
berzerkfag, just kys

>>10785248
Time has been clamped.

>>10786054
But not circumcised (pic related)

>>10786048
Why would time not be real

>>10786081
What is time made of?

>A=A
*invents idealism*

>>10786088
That is not the criteria for something to be real. Properties don't exist

>>10786088
Change

>>10786092
Do you believe "time" to have a direction as well as the ability to be bent by mass?

>>10786098
I consider "time" to be another pattern of a collection of monads, and insofar as all other patterns exist, time does as well.
Physical existence also isn't the only type of existence so your whole line of reasoning doesn't work a priori.

>>10786095
Is it made of "change" or rather is it the measurement of "change"?

>>10786098
berzerkfag, just stop

anons replying to this idiot, just see here:
>>10785674
where he is avoiding talking about his schizophrenic fractal hologram theory:
>>/sci/thread/S10557715#p10561315

>>10786103
What is the pattern of time?

>>10786110
I'm not that poster. Can you answer the question?

>>10786106
Its the inner form of contemplation of change

>>10786117
yes you are

the endless rhetorical questions and not actually ever giving your real explanation give it away

>>10786118
Is the change linear?

>>10786112
I can't tell you the pattern of time in the same way I can't tell you the pattern of any computation that is irreducibly complex. That goes for time, proteins folding processes, nonpolytime algorithms, etc.
Everything is just a computation,time and space are the same thing and are computations of different patterns that make up the different "objects" that we see (a tree is different from a rock is different from a cat). In reality there is no difference between these objects and there is no such thing as a property. The only thing that exists are the spacetime monads that rearrange into an infinite amount of patterns.

>>10786124
Interesting question: I would say so, yes. But mostly because our brain thinks that way. I also could think of non-linear change to some degree!

>>10786122
I haven't been on warosu for months. If you don't want to answer the simple question then just say.

>>10786126
Is the pattern linear?
>>10786131
If the change is linear, there must be separation of the change for the change to occur, correct?

>>10786071
Indeed. Time is also unvaccinated.

>>10786150
>If the change is linear, there must be separation of the change for the change to occur, correct?
Yes, for example something is that wasn´t before and something is no longer, i.e. you turn 18 and are no longer 17.

>>10786150
>Is the pattern linear
This is a meaningless question

>>10786162
So time is linear separation of change? If so, is there a first beginning of this change?

>>10786191
>If so, is there a first beginning of this change?
First beginning and change could actually be the same, there has to be change for something to begin

>>10786173
How is the pattern measured?

>>10786137
>I haven't been on warosu for months.
LOL what the fuck are you talking about? It's an archive. And yes that's you.

>>10786201
Is there any point in the linear separation of change where there is no change at all? Surely there must be in order for there to be separation of the change?

>>10786217
>Is there any point in the linear separation of change where there is no change at all?
Dude, maybe you should read the fragments of Parmenides. He argues that there is no change at all, i.e. for something to change it already has to exist beforehand.

>>10786212
My posts haven't brainlet. And even if it was me, who cares?

>>10786228
Well I don't believe the concept of time can be linear, we only treat it as such as we use counting numbers to measure "it", creating the illusion of separation/change.

It is useful to measure what we believe change to be like that, however it shouldn't be confused with linear change actually being real.

>>10786250
>however it shouldn't be confused with linear change actually being real.
yeah, and don´t confuse linear with something moving forward. Change could also happen multi-dimesional, for us unable to envision with our cause-effect-thinking

Time=the passage of nature=the creative force of existence

>>10786260
The concept of multi-dimensions is also linear. Anything we separate, like dimensions, is automatically flawed from the start.

>>10785262
based bubba shrimp Anon
>>10785288
based

>>10786110
>word "fractal" not to be found
>>10786212
>>10786122
>>10786052
>when you're so assblasted from a previous argument that you gaslight anyone with the same ideas thinking they're the same person.
He's not berserkfag, I am. Am I being a good tenant in your rent free head?

Also to stay on topic, he's right. Time does not exist

>>10786228
Also that something that doesn't change persists through the illusion of change. For instance you are still "you" even if you break a bone, get a disease, grow older etc. What subsists in the universe is "being" which is uncreated. Change only occurs in that which is created, that which did not exist beforehand. Whatever that was was not "nothing", it also was "being something". It was not generated because then it would be generated from nothing. So there was no "beginning" whatsoever and therefore no change. It is still very much "the universe", "being the universe" and nothing will change this.

>>10786088
Imagination

>>10786348
samefag

>>10785248
This thread is cursed. I remember trying to make the first post a few hours ago, but I couldn't think of anything so I stopped. It had 0 replies. I swear that was just a few hours ago. Am I being delusional here?

if you want to intuitively understand time better for real life application, learn how play drums at a high level (jazz, progressive rock/metal, gospel)

my two cents...

it also is great exercise physically and mentally, forces you to be in the moment and for me I visualize pretty much everything I'm playing and hearing in some way.

>>10786348
>Also that something that doesn't change persists through the illusion of change. For instance you are still "you" even if you break a bone, get a disease, grow older etc. What subsists in the universe is "being" which is uncreated. Change only occurs in that which is created, that which did not exist beforehand. Whatever that was was not "nothing", it also was "being something". It was not generated because then it would be generated from nothing. So there was no "beginning" whatsoever and therefore no change. It is still very much "the universe", "being the universe" and nothing will change this.
Thats basically what Parmenides said

>>10785248
Is not time capable of being transformed into mass or space?

>>10786348
>Time does not exist
*observes its passage, quantifies it, measures it with immense accurate, experiences it directly, incorporates it into physical laws with success, even children intuitively know about it*
that's fucking amazing for something does exist
>b-but it's an illusion
illusions exist

>>10787708
nothing can convince berzerkfag. he is a schizo. reason cannot infringe on the self-similar hologram theory of everything that consists of this equation:

>>10787406
I know, I was adding onto the fragments of Parmenides that anon was speaking of.

>>10787708
>observes its passage
You would be watching objects with qualities effect other objects with qualities.
>quantifies it
Which is what a human does. They observe, record and translates it into the language known as "math". Counting and arranging the meshing of gears does not make time exist though. Counting hamburgers doesn't make hamburgers exist either.
>measures it with immense accurate
Measures what with immense accuracy? Time? You can't measure time because it has no properties to measure. It's not a show that you can put a ruler to.
>experiences it directly
You orbit around floating bodies of mass that have a direct effect on the body of mass you live on. Those masses variate the state of what you stand on, alters its properties, using nothing but the qualities they posses. It alters you too, the only problem is you think that this resistance/interaction is the "passage of time" when all it is is the "passage of fields". Take the clocks and the measurements away and the masses themselves will become your standard of measure, like they used to be when we were still huntergather tribes.
>incorporates it into physical laws with success
Exactly. WE incorporate it because we're fucking dumb. It is not "incorporeal" to the universe whatsoever.

>that's fucking amazing for something does exist
It truly is fun to imagine.

>illusions exist
"Illusions of what"

>>10787829
>from what
Would convince me. But make it logical at least, don't just conjure up some random thought experiment.

>>10786515
lamefag