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>>10777504
You're mixing like 20 different things here.

>>10777804
that’s what newagers do. they use all the memes in tandem to create some “alternative “ narrative that is not only anti-mainstream but also anti-science. newage cunts are the ultimate memers. hence why deepak is a millionaire

>If you vote for Marianne, you're voting for higher consciousness.
--Deepak Chopra

https://youtu.be/VBLig4s4gbw

A lot of this is unironically true though. Have things been co-opted by Westerners and New-Age false gurus looking to make a quick buck? Sure. BUT all of this really is based on centuries of ancient Eastern tradition, and if you lack belief in the New Age bullshit then find yourself some primary scriptural sources (e.g. sacred-texts.com) and sit down and read them. Many original, ancient texts discuss concepts like karma, brahmacharya, tapasya, prana, qi, jing, panchakosha, kundalini, and so on.

Also if you just eat a little less and abstain from all the bullshit that modern people do to their bodies (red meat, porn, drugs) then it's actually not that hard to feel the energy moving through your nerve system and chakras. If you totally stop thinking about sex then after a while (say a year, if you're young) you can feel your semen transmuting upwards from your balls (muladhara chakra) up to your head (sahasra chakra). There really is cooling energy, chakras, or consciousness in that sense (just a feeling you get). It's not that complicated.

Also one's hopes and fears and desires really do dictate their life. That statement is unironically true (just check out dream recall to verify this. Remember your dreams every night and see how similar it is to your waking life).

Don't know much about the LSD, psilocybin, 5G, electrical universe crap you mentioned though. Also there's nothing wrong with capitalism. Atoms and magnetic fields are real. Reductionism is still bullshit though. And yes, in a sense, all religions are more or less true.

Materialism is wrong. Period. You should unironically try and look into a more solipsistic worldview (everything really is just you).

>>10780381
then it's actually not that hard to feel the energy moving through your nerve system and chakras. If you totally stop thinking about sex then after a while (say a year, if you're young) you can feel your semen transmuting upwards from your balls (muladhara chakra) up to your head (sahasra chakra).
oh, OK. my semen will supercharge my brain if i nofap and don't watch porn. because chakras and qi.
There really is cooling energy, chakras, or consciousness in that sense (just a feeling you get). It's not that complicated.
cooling energy. interesting. have any scientific evidence to back that up?

>>10780381
>>10780381
>then it's actually not that hard to feel the energy moving through your nerve system and chakras. If you totally stop thinking about sex then after a while (say a year, if you're young) you can feel your semen transmuting upwards from your balls (muladhara chakra) up to your head (sahasra chakra).
oh, OK. my semen will supercharge my brain if i nofap and don't watch porn. because chakras and qi.
>There really is cooling energy, chakras, or consciousness in that sense (just a feeling you get). It's not that complicated.
cooling energy. interesting. have any scientific evidence to back that up?

>>10780558
No because you're not going to meet a single scientist who has actually attempted spiritual practice in genuine spirit. It's too difficult for ordinary people to abstain from sex and meat for even a few days.

What I am saying really is true and in this fucked up, ignorant modern world, the one and only way to verify it is to try it yourself and observe the results on yourself. Faith in the writings of the ancient scriptures will help. They all say the same things I am saying.

There are a very small number of people in this world who know what I am saying is true. "Science" and "scientific studies" are totally irrelevant in this regard. It's just experience, that's all it is.

>>10780565
>"Science" and "scientific studies" are totally irrelevant in this regard. It's just experience, that's all it is.
ah hah, so the LHC and LIGO and the manhattan project were just memes? scientists are totally wrong, because they tried to be objective, and being objective is false because "muh experience" is somehow superior? is that so?

i tend to think that pic related debunks the "my own consciousness creates my own reality" meme

>>10780573
> i tend to think that pic related debunks the "my own consciousness creates my own reality" meme

How? The atomic bomb and its creation was also nothing but subjective experience. Everything is just experience. What I am saying is not complicated nor is it even meant to be condescending or New-Agey. It's just trivially true.

Also, here you go, here's a fun experiment you can do to yourself for a good six months:

http://www.dlshq.org/download/brahmacharya.pdf

This is also scientific. There is no conflict or boundary between objective science and one's own subjective experience. I don't know why you're inventing imaginary conflicts- perhaps you just enjoy arguments?

>>10777504
Clamped. Vitamin K. VACCINATED.
Circumcised.

>>10780594
I don't know why you're inventing imaginary conflicts- perhaps you just enjoy arguments?
i do enjoy arguments. that's how science works, ideas compete. it comes from the socratic method
>http://www.dlshq.org/download/brahmacharya.pdf
>This is also scientific.
150 pages of memes. and to top it off, a picture of some yoga guru on the title page. already you are identifying yourself as an anti-science memer.
> There is no conflict or boundary between objective science and one's own subjective experience.
oh sure, i perceive that the moon is made of cheese. does that make it right?

no, the key ingredient is objectivity. if i "feel" the moon is made of cheese does not make it right. it is made of what it is made of and that has no dependence on what i hope or feel it should be made of

>>10780620
The funny thing is that I know for a fact that I'm right due to direct personal experience and I'm trying to inform someone for their own well-being but they enjoy arguing so much that they miss out on a great truth.

And I'm not saying at all that the moon is made of cheese you fucking idiot. How is that relevant at all? It's not. Stop trying to sound smart. Learn something new instead.

>>10777804
It's not about accuracy, it's about feeling right.

>>10777504
Why does anybody need memory to be enlightened?

Do you guys just want A.I. Jesus?

>>10780731
So when someone doesn't agree with your perspective, you tell them to go read a book? That's enlightenment?

>>10780807
Your sarcasm is worthless. When I say you know something through direct personal experience, I'm not talking about hippie bullshit. I'm speaking the clear truth. The same way you know that a math problem is correct through direct personal experience- it's just clear and obvious as day to you. The same way one statement in a math proof follows from the previous one (it's intuitively true, through direct experience). The same way you automatically know when you are hungry or full. The same way you know when you are looking at red or blue. There are many things, both inside and outside the domain of the sciences, which don't require an explanation because they appear to be a priori true. If every statement required an explanation we'd be going downwards ad infinitum (see one component of Munchausen's trilemma, for example). That is what I was referring to by "knowing" something to be true.

If you take up the practice of spiritual science you will directly perceive many things to be true the same way one directly perceives logical connections and relationships and emotions and feelings and any other things which don't require a secondary explanation (i.e. are fundamental and not derived). That is what I mean.

>>10780815
If one sincerely follows the practices in the book they can directly perceive the truth for themselves. This is very similar to a situation where someone is ignorant of mathematics. Then they are initiated by doing some mathematical practice. Now they can see the truth for themselves.That's enlightenment (if done correctly).

If anyone is curious, enlightened beings also shitpost here. Chaos is always too tempting for those who know they should lay low, Buddha of b here! KING BEEEE!

>>10780819
That's a lot of words to simply say, "Confidence is the Key to All Locks because humans aren't fucking computers."

>>10780822
Yes, if you read a book then you become a book. Semiotics are already enlightened and bend to my willy-will.

This is proof of the fuzzy boundary (non-difference) between subjectivity and objectivity. People who claim "muh objectivity" and "muh materialism" don't see the gaps in their experience. They don't see the subtle jumps they make in their reasoning, things they ignore. Everything, including mathematics and science, is direct subjective personal experience. For example, try to imagine being someone mathematically retarded. Then your subjective experience would be totally different and you would have no access to the insights provided by math. Similarly, I am claiming that most of the world is spiritually retarded and therefore has no access to the insights provided by religion. To directly see the truth for themselves, spiritual practice is necessary (in much the same way mathematical practice is necessary to understand math).

Tl;dr: git gud. Develop some fucking willpower. Stop arguing. I know I'm right in much the same way I am certain that the sky is blue, or that I will feel full and fat as fuck if I eat three Big Macs in a row. Objectivity and subjectivity are one.

Stop playing word games and stop arguing. See the truth directly. This is why silence and refusal to argue is a large component of the spiritual path. It's a pity modern society places so much value on ego and argumentation. Even on anonymous fucking message boards.

>>10780829
Why do you keep referencing yourself as an important fact to import?

The only truth that exists is that it is infinitely re-described per observation.

>>10780807
Read my above post. Ultimately, when all is said and done, accuracy and feeling right are the same thing. The intelligent recognize that accuracy and right feeling are one and the same. How else do you know for certain that the solution to a math problem is accurate other than that it feels right? If there is doubt then it's probably wrong. Simple.

>>10780837
accuracy is always off-by-one in terms of how focused you are on the target.

Accuracy of Agreeability vs Permeable barriers between communicators memory boundaries.

>>10780731
>The funny thing is that I know for a fact that I'm right
unfortunately you are wrong

I know I can't trust western medicine when I hear its followers tell anti-esoteric shit and lie about something that is just obviously true.
I have simple test to see if someone has been brainwashed, I ask a simple sentence like :
"Is someone's astrological sign related to his health, physical or mental caracteristics" or "is homeopathy benefical for public health".
The answer is yes but NPC can't understand simple logic so they answer no.

>>10780852
Well, how do you guys want me to program then them?

>>10780852
Like, everyone is 'brainwashed' to some degree because there is always going to be a portion of the brain that is slow to move memory.

Most people are just slow to process angle changes in story/grammar/synonyms.

>>10780863
It feels bad anyway to see that MD brainlets have a monopoly on "healing"
It also feels bad to see how worthless their diplomas are
Fucking clown world...

>>10780878
What? I'm a LIGHT NGANGKARI.

I heal shit through inferential associations of free radical photons.

>cancer goes boom

>>10780819
>If you take up the practice of spiritual science you will directly perceive many things to be true the same way one directly perceives logical connections and relationships and emotions and feelings and any other things which don't require a secondary explanation (i.e. are fundamental and not derived).
>>10780829
>See the truth directly. This is why silence and refusal to argue is a large component of the spiritual path.
>>10780852
>I know I can't trust western medicine
>"Is someone's astrological sign related to his health, physical or mental caracteristics" or "is homeopathy benefical for public health".
>The answer is yes
>>10780878
>MD brainlets have a monopoly on "healing"
>It also feels bad to see how worthless their diplomas are
because you have schizophrenia
>>>/x/

>>10777504
>spiritual enlightenment
define this pls

>>10777504
I know this is a troll post, but this legit made me want to strangle you in minecraft, and if I ever see you on the street, I'm beating the shit out of you.

>>10781810
>>If you take up the practice of spiritual science you will directly perceive many things to be true the same way one directly perceives logical connections and relationships and emotions and feelings and any other things which don't require a secondary explanation (i.e. are fundamental and not derived).

> See the truth directly. This is why silence and refusal to argue is a large component of the spiritual path.

This was me. The rest were other crazy people. I don't have schizophrenia. I'm a fairly ordinary and relatively successful person inside my STEM field. My recommendation to pick up and read ancient texts on religion still stands. You will learn things you didn't know before.

>>10782058
>if I ever see you on the street, I'm beating the shit out of you.
nuh uh, with my perfectly balanced qigong vibrations and conscious control of the chakras i can predict your every move with my eyes closed and target your vibrational pressure points to immobilize you instantly with nonviolent redirection of your momentum flux through consciousness. i wouldn’t even have to use my extreme strength and coordination that yoga and meditation have given me, i reserve that for applying “adjustments” to my female disciples

You can make fun of me all you want but life is fucking miserable and spirituality is the one thing that heals my depression. You can say I only believe in it to feel better but I think there is something more to it. If nothing not even science can heal me but spirituality can than maybe there is truth to it.

>>10783448
fine. i just like trolling newage pseuds who say anti-science shit based on newage nonsense.

but i'm curious: why did you choose this kind of stuff instead of traditional religion? i mean, you could go to a church or mosque or synagogue or mormon temple or kingdom hall or etc etc instead of trying to identify with a western meme (and totally off-base) version of eastern religion

>>10783454
I actually follow a kind of christian spirituality. I just think consciousness is the basis of reality and the only reality is the here and now. That You are the here and now and part of God.

>>10783457
oh man, you’re telling me there are christians who believe in “if i envision the future i will cause it to come true”? quantum woo style? i thought that christians believed only god could do miracles, maybe some angels and santa too, none of that panpsychist “we all possess telekinesis through qi” crap... no?

>>10783465
I don't really believe in that necessarily. Maybe there is such a thing as paranormal powers though.

>>10783470
oh so you entertain it. is that your personal opinion or are there christians who agree/nudge you toward that?

if anything i feel one of the main strengths abrahamic religions lend toward a realistic scientific viewpoint is they think magic is heretical (and reserve magical phenomena for their official godlike beings)

>>10783474
Maybe. I guess I am not truly Christian but I was raised that way. I just use Christianity to understand spirituality. For instance Jesus Christ is a real spiritual phenomenon.

>>10783474
>and reserve magical phenomena for their official godlike beings
You are definitely not an expert on Abrahamic religions.

>>10783481
which abrahamic figures posessed magical beings through any other mechanism besides "through the grace of god"?

i mean jesus was a man but he was quantum superposition with god, so he doesn't count. and all the other miracles are attributed by all the miracle workers to the virgin mary (psedo-god) or jesus (demi-god quantum superposition) or straight up god.

the pope is infallible but he doesn't regularly do miracles, and when he does, it's through the holy ghostbird (also god superposition) or something, right?

>>10783489
*possesed magical powers (not beings)

>>10777804
>You're mixing like 20 different things here.
^This. Most new age meditation / yoga enthusiasts fucking hate recreational drugs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_a_Pill%3F
They love the meme of "you don't need drugs, you can get to the same place naturally with meditation!"
Which raises a few questions, first and foremost being why the fuck would you want to condition your brain to end up switching into a state comparable to a full blown LSD trip while completely sober? That sounds a lot like mental illness to me. The way you can take a drug and reliably get a particular sort of experience which lasts a predictable amount of time usually down to the hour interval seems more like a selling point to me than a problem. I don't want to get anywhere close to having a full blown psychedelic experience while sober, that'd be the mental equivalent of incontinence.

>>10783529
interesting perspective. anyhow yes, the current trend in newage is to be straightedge, and try to shrug off their Timothy Leary heritage, but that will always be a part of their schtick whether or not they like it (now that they have kids they have to act more responsible, but nobody will forget their hippie progenitors)

anyhow, drugs don't do anything "spiritual". they fuck with the neural network in your brain. that's about it.

>>10783489
There's plenty of general magic-users/diviners/etc mentioned in both the New and Old Testaments. They're explicitly an affront to God, many of them cannot be written off as just charlatans, and some of them are said to derive their powers from Satan instead.

>>10783564
good, so at least christianity says it's bad to actively try to use magic in your daily life, like newage idiots with their qi/chakra fetish try to. i think this aligns with my previously stated opinions.

anyhow magic doesn't real, get over it supernaturaltards

>>10783570
>anyhow magic doesn't real
Interesting, you've proven that it cannot exist?

>>10783554
>the current trend in newage is to be straightedge, and try to shrug off their Timothy Leary heritage
No, God in a Pill was published in 1966. Even the Beatles guru Maharishi was staunchly anti-drugs, which was likely part of the situation driving their falling out with each other (there was an alleged sexual misconduct with Mia Farrow thing that Lennon at the time accused Maharishi of, but George Harrison called that bullshit years later and others have come out and said Maharishi asked them to leave because they violated the no drugs rule).

>>10783578
have you proven it does exist? hmmm i wonder who the burden of proof is on here

>>10782041
Spiritual enlightenment isn't something that can be "defined" using ordinary words. If it could, then you could just read the definition and become enlightened. But often, it's not so easy.

It's a state of nonduality (the enlightened one perceives no distinction between self and others and world, seeing all as One) and total freedom from any kind of desires, conditioning, or bondage. The liberated one doesn't think anything they don't want to or feel anything that they don't want to- complete omnipotence, omniscience, knowledge of past, present, future, and all spacetime. Pure bliss and happiness. The scriptures describe the exact properties of this state in great detail. You can attain states that approximate this nonduality and non-desire through spiritual practice, but the ultimate perfect state of non-duality that, once you reach, you never have to return from, is considered enlightenment or liberation.

Right now you are probably very far from enlightenment, because your actions are likely dictated by karmas (habits, thought patterns, tendencies, desires, attachments). To get liberation or enlightenment or moksha you must supersede all your karmas (cut off all your shackles chaining you to the material world). There have been many paths to enlightenment recommended by the ancient scriptures and religious traditions.

If you sincerely follow them you might even get somewhat close. People have had prophetic dreams. People have developed virtues out of nowhere, broken out of addictions by the grace of God. Some of this stuff happened to me- my depression was cured.

>>10783588
well Maharishi was actually indian, unlike newage retards like the beatles who pioneered their western meme version of it

>>10783593
haha
>>>/x/
newagers, you guys are so funny. even better than godfags

>>10783596
Deepak Chopra's actually Indian. That doesn't say much.

>>10783591
>he thinks negative claims don't need proof
The default position, which does not require any support, is that something may or may not be true.

>>10783608
>not realizing all indians are magic

>>10783608
he supports straight up pseudoscience like “medicine bad, we can replace it with meditating”. a cancerous (literally) idea
>>10783613
you believe in magical shit like
>moksha
and
>karma
the burden of proof is on you. but you don’t care about proof do you? just feelgood memes so people will buy your 19.99 kindle book.

it’s okay, i am fine with you going on scamming normies. but it’s objectively wrong

>>10783626
>he supports straight up pseudoscience like “medicine bad, we can replace it with meditating”. a cancerous (literally) idea
I know, that was the point of mentioning him.

>>10783626
>you believe in magical shit like
When you're older, they'll teach you how there's more than one other person on the internet.

>>10783631
okay, i get your point now. but there is a distinction between what newagers think buddhism and taoism and hinduism is and what they really are. most eastern practitioners of those religions would think newage crap is laughable. because even though they are as misguided as western jesus shills, the at least have an actual tradition, as opposed to the “let’s cherry pick all the most feelgood memes of world religions to justify believing in magic” (for profits)

>>10783626
You don't even know what exactly you're criticizing when you talk about concepts such as moksha and karma. Karma is not just "hurr durr do good and you get good, do bad and you get bad" although yes, that's a big part of it. Karma is what the world is made out of. It is what your mindstream is made out of (sense perceptions, emotions, moods, desires, fears, and thoughts). The world and your mindstream are of course identical (all can be likened to perceptions). Karmas can be likened to memes, in a sense. Your very usage of the phrase "burden of proof" is an example of a karma (tendency). One who has achieved moksha is simply one who has risen above enslavement to karma.

Before criticizing, read a book to actually get a definition of what you're criticizing first.

Also I share your skepticism about 19.99 kindle books. This is why I recommend reading only original primary scriptural sources and texts, or from a trusted translation/commentary (preferably something pre-1950, before hippie/New Age bullshit). Many such sources exist and are accessible to those who are willing to put in the effort.

And yes, Western medicine really is worthless in some aspects and natural cures often really are better. Western medicine does pretty good for things like chemotherapy, surgery, radiation, imaging (you can see how these are purely physical-materialistic processes, and concern fairly macroscopic objects like cells, tissues, tumors, and so on). But for things which are more subtle or mental or biochemical-related, Western medicine is pretty far behind. Examples: depression, psychiatry, pills, NoFap, benefits of vegetarianism.

>>10783626
(continued) Mental illnesses and diseases are really just a variant of karma. The too can be overcome upon achieving moksha- that is, a soul can be liberated from the matter that is causing the mental illness (a bound soul would still feel the illness). About the true nature of mind-matter relationships, Western science and medicine is largely ignorant. An easy example of baby meditation is when you stub your toe really hard and voluntarily choose not to feel the pain by withdrawing your mind from the affected area (conversely you could choose to revel or relish the pain making it hurt more). Meditation is just an advanced version of withdrawing the mind from the sensations of the body and five senses (external world, karmas). This body and all matter and all sensations are karmas. As you can see karma is a pretty broad concept and its variants are discussed extensively in Buddhist literature.

>>10783638
>there is a distinction between what newagers think buddhism and taoism and hinduism is and what they really are. most eastern practitioners of those religions would think newage crap is laughable.
Sort of, except most westerners would also think most eastern practitioners of those religions were doing laughable things.
e.g. Most of the world's practicing Buddhists don't care at all about meditation or any of the philosophical ideas of Buddhism and just pray to deities / Buddhas to take care of them.

>>10783666
>Karma is what the world is made out of.
I thought it was made out of protons and neutrons and electrons and other particles. do you have a source? (No you don't.)
>It is what your mindstream is made out of (sense perceptions, emotions, moods, desires, fears, and thoughts).
is mindstream even a word? you're just making shit up now
>The world and your mindstream are of course identical (all can be likened to perceptions).
what??? some deepak chopra "consciousness makes reality" crap right here.

okay, so you are talented at making feelgood pseudoscience prose that has no actual content. typical. let's go on.

>Western medicine really is worthless
oh, haha, now we found it.
>Western medicine is pretty far behind. Examples: depression, psychiatry, pills, NoFap, benefits of vegetarianism.
you literally included nofap. wow. the memes are strong with this one.

western medicine is science-based, and "alternative medicine" is bullshit because it's not science-based. if it's not science based, that means it is nonsense based. "spirituality" inspired medicine translates to "nonsense" inspired medicine.

i am not criticizing eastern traditional medicine -- they developed it before they could actually collect scientific data. but now that that is possible, "spirituality" based medicine can safely be discarded.

>>10783672
>muh perception dictates bodily medical issues
no.

>>10783681
>if it's not science based, that means it is nonsense based.
How do I upvote this?

>>10783681
I never said the world wasn't made out of protons, neutrons, and electrons. But what benefit is there to being a reductionist? What are those subatomic particles made out of? We'll just find smaller particles and label those something. And we can find smaller particles that make up those particles and label those something else. We can go on and on like this and think we've learned something when really we're just lost in a sea of terminology and technical details that aren't of any real use.

I am not denying physical science. I am saying that karma and its dynamics is an alternative and potentially more useful formulation of physical reality as we know it.

Mindstream is a concept that denotes your experience as it passes along from moment to moment. That is all.

I hate Deepak Chopra by the way. I am not saying anything fancy when I say consciousness is what makes reality. I am only saying that everything that you sense and feel is part of your reality (which is trivial).

I stand by everything I said about Western medicine, when it is useful, and when it is not. One massive failure of western medicine is its unconditioned support for restriction-free masturbation.

>>10783681
Moreover,

> if it's not science based, that means it is nonsense based.

So you'd choose to disregard centuries of human history and tradition? Sure, I get that you might have been spoonfed particularly negative examples about the Dark Ages in Europe, the Inquisition and what not. But I can assure you there were many historical communities all over the world, throughout the times, whose inhabitants were much freer, happier, and healthier than modern people living in large metropolises today. These modern people are addicted to drugs, weed, pornography, are mostly selfish and jealous and egotistical and lustful, and are incapable of feeling true love. Perhaps their pitiable condition is indeed a sign of God's punishment?

Stop worshipping the modern cult of science. The "scientific method" and "data collection" and "observation" are just cult buzzwords for what is obvious use of the human intellect and what has been carried out by humans in some form or another long before the scientific revolution, often under the aegis of religious tradition.

>>10783696
Would you clamp early?

>>10783684
To an extent this is true. Perception does dictate bodily issues. (See the stubbing toe and pain example) Some things are beyond your control and some things are not. To get a feel for the causal mechanisms in place and their origins I again refer you to original Buddhist texts on karma as it is practiced and applied to Eastern medicine.

It is true that meditation can substantially improve mental illnesses and impairments like depression, laziness, lack of willpower, lack of focus. (What is referred to as tamo guna in Hinduism).

>>10783707
Would you circumcise?

>>10783707
Would you vaccinate?

>>10783696
>I am saying that karma and its dynamics is an alternative and potentially more useful formulation of physical reality as we know it.

well then provide evidence. you have none, though, right? karma is basically a belief in magical justice-enforcers, but they don't exist. karma doesn't real. i am sure you have no scientific evidence, but please, try your hand, if you want to

>>10783701
>I can assure you that people lived to 100 in the mountains of central africa.

proves nothing.

>Stop worshipping the modern cult of science. The "scientific method" and "data collection" and "observation" are just cult buzzwords
okay, let's go with that asssumption. academic scientists are completely just memers, let's not listen to them. let's not invent computers or LCD screens, that's all fake. and also, let's not believe in global warming or that vaccines prevent diseases. that's good. let's just go back to the 1920s where we drove around in gas-guzzling cars and communicated by snailmail and our infant mortality rate was much higher and life expectancy was 60 and nuclear doesn't real and go to church (or, maybe for you, go to worship buddha or some stupid shit)

no. science wins. your electronic device you are posting on proves that.

sometimes i wish scientists were bigger douchebags and withheld patent rights so that we could ban tardlords like you from using the devices we generously supplied you with

>>10783715
You're sounding so stupid at this point I wonder if this is a troll.

Read the texts. Test them out for yourself. Let me give you an example of a practical application. Why don't you try jacking off five times a day, for an entire year, and see what the result of that karma is? Hint: you will be punished with depression.

Another scientific example that you can use to experiment with the law of karma: try meditating every single day for a year, striving to cut out all useless thoughts. There will be a marked difference in the number of thoughts that arise spontaneously (without any prompting) between the start of the year and the end of the year. The number of thoughts that spontaneously arise within one's mind is a countable, measurable quantity. Meditation is a karma (act) whose fruit is the elimination of unwanted or useless thoughts. Simple. There's no need to even bring in the word "science."

Why are you so obsessed with "science" as if it's some kind of thing to be worshipped? Science is just one type of use of the human intellect. There are other uses of the human intellect that religion has explored, which science has not. Simple.

>>10783721
This has got to be an extremely stupid troll. But I'll respond anyway. Nowhere have I denied the existence of computers or LCD screens. How does that in any way prove that "science wins?" I'm trying to have an intellectual discussion, a logical debate from first principles, and you're speaking of science and religion as if they were competing sports teams. This isn't the NFL.

I have supplied clear examples of the applicability of religious tradition and the limitations of modern science. That should be enough for any reader who is actually intelligent.

>>10783723
> Meditation is a karma (act) whose fruit is the elimination of unwanted or useless thoughts.
thanks for posting a pile of bullshit prose that acts like content exists, when really it doesn't. "karma" is a nonsense word.

>Why are you so obsessed with "science" as if it's some kind of thing to be worshipped?
it's not to be worshipped. it actually werks, unlike your magic bullshit. karma doesn't work. neither do chakras or qi or whatever other magic shit you shill.

>Nowhere have I denied the existence of computers or LCD screens. How does that in any way prove that "science wins?"
you denied science, and LCD screens debunk that. science does win because your shit has no actual results that even come close to LCD screens (in fact 100% of your results are explainable with the placebo effect)

>the applicability of religious tradition
the only one i agree with is that abrahamic religions say magic is heretical. i go beyond that and say it doesn't exist. you, OTOH, shill magic ideas, which are cancerous

>>10783729
>This has got to be an extremely stupid troll.
No, he's just a child who discovered that treating science as a religion can make you feel superior.

>>10783745
Abraham would make sure you were clamped.

>>10783750
Well he spelled "works" as "werks" in his latest post so I'm now 99% certain he's a troll.

>>10783755
“werks” is a /g/ meme, and a meme among people who actually know about technology. not surprised newagers have no concept there

Bottom line for anyone who might be reading this:

I provide you with the following two sources I deem trustworthy. One is a guide for transmutation of semen, and the other is a guide for mind, its workings, and meditation. Both come from an orthodox Hindu tradition (dated prior to, or around the same time as the development of New Age, which is really just the date of the spread of ancient Eastern concepts to the modern West).

http://www.dlshq.org/download/brahmacharya.htm

http://www.dlshq.org/download/mind.htm

If you read it like a textbook, and do your best to try to practice the physical and mental exercises, then you can get great benefits. I am trying to help people who read this.

>>10783763
>>>/x/

>>10783760
Huh, maybe you are just a troll.

>>10783768
maybe you are just a newage brainlet who is 19.99 invested in his feelgood pseud book

#singularitysavepoint

4chan should just be Tay Monday and Jihad troll Twitter for #MAGA

>0_sage_0 can you seeeeee...

>>10783775
why are namefags always schizos?

>>10783780
Because you were clamped and vaccinated.

>>10783781
redpill me on water memory

>>10783783
Vaccines are safe and effective :^)

>>10783784
water memory?

>>10783791
Clamp.

>>10783796
water memory?

>>10783806
...
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>Clamp

>>10783813
water memory?

>>10783815
>Are you guys seriously asking how to drink a fucking bottle of fucking water?!

>>10783820
no, clamptard believes in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory because he is an anti-med pseud with addiction problems

>>10783815
Unfortunately the required memory is stored in the placenta. Okay kiddo I'm just gonna clamp your umbilical cord real quick... there we go...
:^)
:^)
:^)

>>10783828
redpill me on water memory.

About half of this thread is schizophrenic meme garbage and the other half of this thread is very very very, extremely useful information.

Meditation is spiritual/memory masturbation for people born from India's soil. It was never meant for anyone else.

>Borders drawn. SHOTS FIRED! FUCK U GANDHI!

>>10783846
care to elaborate? which posts are schizo and which are useful?

>>10783851
Your posts are schizo.

>>10780381
>Co-opted by Westerners
You leave use the hell out of this. We have our own ways, and anyone who says otherwise is an outsider.

>>10783870
which ones?

>>10783874
The ones made by (You).

>>10783902
oh okay, you have no idea which are by me, versus others. you just say "you're bad" without a conception of what "you" refers to.

good job, classic cognitive dissonance

>>10783902
賽季不敗

Potato cannon war!

>Kabaddi

>>10783910
fuck off schizo, >>>/x/

>>10783907
Yours are the obvious schizo posts. Compare your gibberish to something reasonable, like >>10783910.

>>10783926
>something reasonable, like >>10783910
really.

if you want to criticize me i hope you can find posts by actual me and reply to me. but you can't, sorry but ad-hominem is not the way to win arguments on anonymous image boards

>>10783933
Retard.

>>10783938
brainlet.

>>10783913
>>10783926
>>10783933
>New phone, who did?

Everyone can interrupt my personal space with any living vessel. Not thoughts, energy, or outer space itself.

>>10783943
i thought i already told you that schizos need to go to >>>/x/?

do you need clarification?

>>10783949
Yes. What is schizophrenia, and what does it do? My culture has never heard of it outside of 4chan.

>Not everyone watches American media!

>>10783943
Top looks like a man. Music industry uses trannies all the time.

>>10783953
people who post shit like this

>Not thoughts, energy, or outer space itself.

you know like complete made-up bullshit that has nothing to do with this board

>>10783833
>>10783846
>>10783849
>>10783851
>>10783870
>>10783871
>>10783874
>>10783902
>>10783907
>>10783910
>>10783913
>>10783926
>>10783933
>>10783938
>>10783942
>>10783943
>>10783949
>>10783953
>>10783954
>>10783955
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>Clamped

>>10783955
Okay, so do you guys need psychologists to shitpost here? Happy to direct whatever profession is required to help whatever afflicts this website and, apparently, the majority of its users.

>Maybe you guys should learn to think 3 posts ahead, like me!

>>10783959
water memory?

>>10783959
>t.porn_spawn_camper for sages of old and those yet told.

>>10783961
it would help if you could write posts that make sense in the english language

>>10783961
>need psychologists
No, we need psychosis.

>>10783963
I think I remember them clamping the cord.

>>10783966
I agree. That would help t.(You+1)

>>10783964
>me post good on englush

>>10783964
>spawn camper
Wow, the connection never hit me. They're spawn campers.

Pathetic.

>>10783968
water memory?

>>10783976
Clamp memory. Memories a child should not have.

>>10783979
but what about water memory?

>>10783972
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SVRODdXVI3Q

>>10783979
Thanks! I never wanted to remember my biological birth parents anyway! Worst Genetics Of All Time! I was the black dragon of the family.

>>10783980
You can go pee now. Any porcelain with drainage is okay, but better is on any soil. Kino is pissing on a tree.

t.you'rewelcomekindstranger.

Yup. I am a bottomless well of cum!

>>10783980
The cord should not be clamped until the completion of placental transfusion.

>>10783990
water memory?

>>10783995
The cord should not be clamped until all pulsations have ceased, it lies flat, and has turned white.

Socrates was not clamped.

>>10784000
water memory?

>>10783988
Help, I accidentally used porcelain without drainage. Now I have a cup full of piss. What do I do?

>>10784008
If into urolagia, drink merrily!
If not, throw it down the nearest drain or on the nearest patch of Earth.

>>10784001
Heraclitus was NOT clamped.

>>10784017
water memory?

>>10784020
Parmenides was NOT clamped.

>>10784023
water memory?

>>10784025
Pythagoras was not clamped.

Do not clamp your children. Spread the word.

>>10784029
water memory?

>>10784029
I agree, do not put your children in the microwave. Pretty basic child rearing lesson, surprised I had to give it to anyone.

>>10784031
Self-aware recursion man? So great to meet you! One glass of water every day/night of light cycle, and you'll be the best! Have FUN!

>>10784100
I like this gif. I like this gif a lot.

>>10784100
>>10784114
thanks brainlets. get back to us when you actually have something to contribute

>>10784138
>Clamped....

>>10784147
water memory?

>>10780565
> the one and only way to verify it is to try it yourself and observe the results on yourself.
You dont have a single fucking clue what proper experimental methodology looks like do you? The results from what you are suggesting would be completely and utterly meaningless.

>>10780731
>The funny thing is that I know for a fact that I'm right due to direct personal experience
what idiot thought democracy would be a good idea when these idiots exist again?

>>10784165
Democracy has always been about some subset of the population controlling the other cattle, hiding behind theoretical freedom. Even in the days of pure democracy.

>chakras
>ki
>its just right man
>accuracy doesnt exist
This thread has some fucking extreme schizo posting in it. Sage in all fields kids.

>>10784170
new age schizos are surprisingly easy to bait, that’s why an entire industry of memers exist to prey on them and drain their hard earned money

>>10784188
I wish I was morally bankrupt enough to sell "essential oils" and "healing crystals" to people who cant afford them. It says a lot that gwyneth paltrow isnt persona non grata despite aggressively exploiting peoples weak socio economic status

>>10784188
It's surprisingly easy to weaponize parents' fear and faith, and surprisingly simple to amputate parts from a helpless infant.

It's surprisingly easy to be evil in a world full of people that just cannot think that way or imagine it.

>>10784197
You don't even know what an essential oil is.

>>10784205
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_oil
Not a chemist but yep they are exactly what I thought they are. Rubbing some on your feet will not cure your social anxiety. Putting it in quotes, combined with the rest of my post and this thread should have been enough even for your autistically skewed pedantry.

>>10784219
Bold claims with no basis. Someone got it into your head that essential oils are a scam, you're an idiot if you "believe in it", and now you'll defend it to the very end. Admit it, you don't actually know much about these things, you've probably never even seen a single drop.

I'm not going to go into why the essential oil fraction of a plant is so strongly active or why the plant makes them, but I will tell you to google the following:
-Carvacrol
-Eugenol
-Thymol
-Linalool
-Lupeol

Their transdermal absorption (with a carrier oil ideally) is fairly obvious. Lavender is especially powerful. Calendula as well.

>>10784225
(Although obviously there's a lot of marketing and predatory bullshit in the so-called health industry. This should be called out whenever possible, but only when applicable and with real data)

I have a salve made of calendula, yarrow, olive oil, and lavender essential oil. It increases rate of healing greatly. Not to be used with punctures. I've never tried, but have heard calendula can make the upper layers start to heal over before they should.

Huge reason why Jews are dominating Jewish Kabbalah,Hermetic Qabalah , they are aware of occult powers, while beta virgins wait for science to spoon feed them everything, science cant measure jewish mind tricks yet so you better start testing esoteric shit out before you fall behind like some npc pleb.

>>10784225
>claims
One, they wont cure your social anxiety when applied topically to your feet. Please argue this so I can see you get roasted by other anons.
>essential oils are a scam
Essential oils with respect to the health and wellness industry are demonstrably a scam, I dont need to believe anything. There is zero peer reviewed evidence for their homeopathic effects.
>ou've probably never even seen a single drop
I have some in my kitchen right now because my GF thinks they smell nice.
>admit it
I'm not a chemist, which I already said. The use of essential oils in applied chemistry is outside of my domain.

Once again, if you werent such an autist you would be able to glean from this thread and my post that I am addressing specifically the predatory and scientifically inaccurate use and marketing of them. You might be the worst strawmanner I have ever seen on this site.

>>10784282
>essential oils
>homeopathic effects.
Uh? You make essential oils by taking literally tons of plant material and putting it through a process (steam extraction generally) to extract the volatile organic compound fraction, then you distill and condense that off. Some essential oils will practically burn your skin. They're mostly VOCs, which is why you can drip them out and they'll evaporate rapidly into the air (eg aromatherapy).

I think it takes 1 ton of oregano plant mass to make 1lb of essential oil, or something.

Anyway, I'm not actually sure what you're getting at. The homepath vs allopath distinction is not generally clear.

>One, they wont cure your social anxiety when applied topically to your feet.
Take some garlic, mash it up, rub a bit on your feet in the morning. By afternoon it'll be coming out of the rest of your body and you will smell it. That's how it works.

I'm closing my last 4chan tab.
Do not clamp your kids.
Spread the word.

>>10784288
How essential oils are produced is irrelevant to my point. .
> That's how it works.
Non sequitur, I literally have no idea what you are on about.

What i'm getting at is you constructed an argument against something I never said because you are literally too autistic to take context cues

>>10784301
How do none of you not know that context is relative to an individual's memory?

>>10784308
Try harder with your retarded baits.

>>10784310
How is a question ever bait if you actually want to learn anything new?

Why does everyone else post here solely for their ego?

As always, /sci/ is ignorant as all hell:

https://pastebin.com/TwuqcD3z
https://pastebin.com/KYykDA1M

Read at your own leisure, you'll need some time to properly digest this info anyways and come to terms with your own ignorance.

>>10777504
Practice traditional Kung fu and youll get the whole package ( without the drugs)

>>10784317
if that and this isnt bait you are just retarded

Reminder that Pythagoras was the leader of a mystery cult and was 1000x smarter and more diligent than you or any of your ancestors.

>>10780381
>You should unironically try and look into a more solipsistic worldview (everything really is just you).
Yikes, if you really want to go that route at least read Adi Shankara and take the Atman = Brahman pill

>>10784253
Lol beta virgins is literally the right word. There are so many "muh science" beta virgins right now jacking it to porn and wasting their intellect and creative powers while making themselves more feminine. Meanwhile the Chad practitioners of the esoteric/occult are retaining and channeling their vital force

The funny thing is that even though this is 4chan and everything here is supposed to be a joke, this is the farthest thing from a joke you could get. It's one of the most serious, important, and not-talked-about issues in the modern Western world.

>>10784634
Start sharing this meme, it makes cumbrains absolutely seeth. It's amazing how fucking ANGRY people get when you tell them you don't want to watch porn and jack off all day and that they shouldn't either.

I deleted my (((Reddit))) and (((Faceberg))) accounts a long time ago so I don't really have any avenues to share memes. It's a good meme though, and I don't doubt that it will be effective.

Anyone who's reading this and still has social media in 2019 should share

>>10784634
>>10784724
oh look now /pol/ schizos are starting the jew conspiracy angle but with new age memes. it’s the möbius strip of retardation where alt-righters loop around to believing in hippie magic

>>10784724
Bruh I mean on here.

>>10784764
>NOOOO YOU'RE A RACIST IF YOU DON'T WATCH PORN AND JACK OFF ALL DAY

>>10784775
redpill me on how this pertains to occult talmud practice

>>10784764
Well it's not a conspiracy necessarily. But you can't deny that it's nearly always Jews pushing for sexual libertinism and degeneracy in the upper echelons of society. This has been going on as far back as Weimar and possibly even longer. Just look at the last names of any academia department that studies this sort of thing. Look at the last names of pioneers in "fields" like gender studies, feminism, sexuality, and psychoanalysis. It's honestly Jews a lot of the time.

I doubt it's an organized conspiracy, but there is definitely some relationship. Only a stupid person would deny the existence of a causal relationship, especially when Jews are such a relatively small proportion of the population, compared to the amount of shilling and propaganda they carry out at the level of nations. Hollywood, porn, liberalism, destruction of traditional morals- Jews are responsible for all these things.

>>10784764
"I now began to examine carefully the names of all the creators of unclean products in public artistic life. The result was less and less favorable for my previous attitude toward the Jews. Regardless how my sentiment might resists my reason was forced to draw its conclusions.

The fact that nine tenths of all literary filth, artistic trash, and theatrical idiocy can be set to the account of a people, constituting hardly one hundredth of all the country's inhabitants, could simply not be tanked away; it was the plain truth.

And I now began to examine my beloved 'world press' from this point of view.

And the deeper I probed, the more the object of my former admiration shriveled. The style became more and more unbearable; I could not help rejecting the content as inwardly shallow and banal; the objectivity of exposition now seemed to me more akin to lies than honest truth; and the writers were - Jews.

A thousand things which I had hardly seen before now struck my notice, and others, which had previously given me food for thought, I now learned to grasp and understand."

- Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler

>>10784801
oh yeah, hitler believed in astrology too, and brainlet occult stuff. turned out real good for him, you know the cyanide pill and the bullet to the skull, with instructions to burn his body. yeah, true, /pol/ is pretty newage aren't they.

What I am saying is known to many and can easily be checked and verified yourself. Why do you think the neo-Nazi and conservative movements in the West have so many adherents? It's because many have been personally hurt and morally devastated by the effects of institutions that Jews are responsible for (feminism, Hollywood movies, mass acceptance of pre-marital sex, Big Pharma, the pill, porn).

Science has been politicized in the past. It is being politicized now, for nefarious purposes. Just because something is "scientific" or has its origins in science, doesn't mean it's useful, beneficial, or morally correct. Science has got nothing to do with religion or morality. All science is, is one possible outlet for the human intellect. It is not something to be held up higher than that. While science has had many beneficial results, it has also resulted in much harm to society. Keep this in mind.

>>10784820
thanks for walking back your caveat that you doubt it's a conspiracy. da jooz conspiracy theory, okay, now back to >>>/pol/

>>10784820
No use proselytizing on the peak bugman board of 4channel

>>10784812
Cringe

>>10784885
Save this 4chan thread and spread it as far as wide as you can, along with the cumbrain meme, and the link http://www.dlshq.org/download/brahmacharya.htm

Adding Uncle Ted to the reading list is also a good idea: Google 'The Unabomber Manifesto: Industrial Society and its Future by Ted Kaczynski full pdf' or something of that form.

To any young males reading this: society does not care about you. Only you can save your own soul. God bless you all who read this.

>>10784963
how many layers of irony is here? 7, 8?

>>10784971
Zero.

>>10784764
>möbius strip of retardation
Fucking buckled me

>>10784634
>vital force
Holy shit youve got to be 80 iq

>>10784798
>liberalism is jewish
You truly cant argue with this level of idiot. That you can ostensibly vote makes me wonder if killing myself is the best strategic move.

>>10785106
>makes me wonder if killing myself is the best strategic move.
There's only one way to find out. Please conduct such an experiment and report your findings.