/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10784663
>is it actually harmful to constantly flood your brain with the the largest dose of dopamine possible, over and over again, training your brain you can be happy accomplishing nothing

i don;t know, sounds like nazi propaganda to me

>>10784663
>Is it actually harmful to watch pornography and masturbate?
Why don't you try it and find out?

Excessive porn and masturbation is bad, jack off to your imagination 2-3 times a week to prevent prostate cancer.

https://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/ejaculation-prostate-cancer-risk

in the past if I needed to I'd use my imagination to create my own fantasies
tried porn, boring as hell
found hentai with relatively rich story bases and exploration of themes more interesting
I think over all this easy access to eroticism has been harmful to me. I try to exercise conscious choice where I can now, though there are times when I self control wains

no, sniff caffeine powder, take 4 alcohol shots, sniff more caffeine powder. You are now experiencing reality at 160 'frames' per second. Everything is clearer, soon you will be able to zoom in on objects. After this you should edge to porn, mmd porn preferably. This will make you see, see how reality is just one of many. Then stop, don't cum, look at a wall, stand and look at the corner in the ceiling, you will understand geometry completely afterwards, then go back to the mmd porn. Take another shot, until you're 6 shots down. Then swallow nicotine spray (it has to be nicotine spray) now look at the corner, it is gone, it is inverted.
Unironically trust me on this.

>>10784663
Onions

>>10784685
>muh nofap causes prostate cancer
This hypothesis makes little sense, is supported by a single shit tier study, and is contradicted by other better evidence. In fact, the highest masturbation (and sexual) frequency as a young man is shown to increase disease risk the most.

>Sexual activity and prostate cancer risk in men diagnosed at a younger age
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2008.08030.x

>Whereas frequent overall sexual activity in younger life (20s) increased the disease risk, it appeared to be protective against the disease when older (50s). Alone, frequent masturbation activity was a marker for increased risk in the 20s and 30s

>Prostate cancer mortality among Catholic priests.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7242091/

>>10784663
Very harmful.

>>10785157
Meth confirmed for not that bad

>>10785163
I find sexual urges to exceed those of even opioid or cigarette urges. Nobody wants to quit this so they don't even see it as a problem.

>>10784663
Yes

>>10785317

>>10785319

>>10784663
Fapping isn't the problem as much as the pornography, which uses sexuality as a medium to program and fuck with your mind.

Porn is bad, fapping not so much. Just fap 1 time a week without porn and you will be fine.
I have been pornfree for 2 years now and it really changed my life.

>>10784663
It doesn't mean you can't have sex lol.

>posting doctors from 150 years ago is relevant science now

wew lads. have sex.

>>10784663
This actually brought something up from my childhood that I need an answer to.

When I was younger and first started 'whacking off' I thought that you literally whacked your dick to do it so I would spread all my fingers out on my hand and quickly slap the head of my penis in both directions until I 'came' and couldnt do it anymore, iirc it actually felt amazing but I'd like to know if anyone else did this as a kid. This happened for years before I figured out what you were actually supposed to do mind you.

>>10785337
It's even worse in light of modern neuroscience. See this thread
>>/sci/thread/S10230550#p10232114

>>10785334
/r/nofap cope

I've often wondered if the excessively releasing dopamine through masturbation damages the dopamine receptors in the same way drugs do.

>>10785358
Dopamine pathways are also limited. You devote your motivational resources to one task, you will soon find yourself constrained. That's why most people rely on discipline and not motivation because masturbating and sex saps them of it.

The nofap meme is true. And there is only one way to find out. Prove it to yourself.

Why are you wasting time talking on the Internet? As a human being you are gifted with a fairly long lifespan (~80 years), assuming generously that nothing bad happens to you before then. Why don't you spend 1 or 2 years of it not thinking about sex and see how things are different? It might even be better, more calm and more peaceful, then being on fire all the time. This has been my experience.

There is a reason the ancient Christians compared fornication to hellfire.

>>10785376
Ascended, redpilled and based.

>>10785376
this but without the dead jew on a stick

Neuroscience now knows that willpower is a function of the prefrontal lobes of the brain. Scientific studies have also confirmed that using porn over and over actually reshapes these areas of the brain, literally eroding our willpower and our moral compass.
Neuroscientists call it hypofrontality. Hypofrontality is a state in which there is decreased blood flow to the prefrontal lobes of the brain. Hypofrontality is observed in schizophrenia patients and is also observed in all manner of addictions.
“Compulsiveness is a good descriptor of hypofrontality. Many porn users feel focused on getting to porn and masturbating even when a big part of them is saying, ‘Don’t do this.’ Even when negative consequences seem imminent, impulse control is too weak to battle the cravings.”
The porn-addicted brain has trouble thinking logically. When impulses and desires come from the midbrain, instead of being moderated, the brain feels these desires as compelling needs. The prefrontal region is supposed to be able to weigh consequences and situations and judiciously shut down cravings, but hypofrontality means the addict’s ability to do this is impaired.
The more one masturbates to porn, the more dopamine is released in the brain. Eventually dopamine receptors and signals in the brain fatigue, leaving the viewer wanting more but unable to reach a level of satisfaction. The viewer becomes numb to things once considered pleasurable. “To escape this desensitization, people, and men especially, expand their pornographic tastes to more novel stimuli,” Black writes. This leads, again, to more fatigue.
to bring the prefrontal lobes back into working order, a two-pronged attack is needed: (1) the old neural pathways must be starved, and (2) new neural pathways must be built and fed, increasing dopamine levels in a way that build up the prefrontal cortex.
http://www.covenanteyes.com/2014/02/28/hypofrontality/

>>10785397
I'm a chronic masturbater and I could literally stop whenever I want. It has no affect on my willpower.

>tge you've getting high and been gasping together online with another cumbrain, sharing pics and fantasies while you jerk off non stop to different kinds of porn and fucked up fantasies that often devolve into self-deprecation and raunchy celebration of being a waste of life
You don't know shit about fuck until you cum after edging for 4 hours, covered in sweat and exhausted

If you have a porn addiction try reading this. Some anonymous guy modified a book about kicking drug and alcohol addiction, and applied the principles to pornography. It's got some insights and perspective that I am confident you haven't seen before. https://sites.google.com/site/hackbookeasypeasy/home

>>10785397
Viewing porn shrinks the brain
For the study, Dr Kuhn and her colleague Jurgen Gallinat from Charite University, also in Berlin, recruited 64 healthy men between the ages of 21 and 45 years and asked them questions about their porn-watching habits.
They also took images of the men’s brains to measure volume and to see how their brains reacted to pornographic pictures, says the study published in JAMA Psychiatry journal (must credit).
They found noticeable differences in the men who abstained compared with those who regularly accessed sexual videos or images.
Dr Kuhn said ‘We found that the volume of the so-called striatum, a brain region that has been associated with reward processing and motivated behaviour was smaller the more pornography consumption the participants reported.
‘Moreover we found that another brain region, that is also part of the striatum that is active when people see sexual stimuli, shows less activation the more pornography participants consumed.’
However other researchers claimed that pornography in moderation was probably not damaging.
Dr Gregory Tau of the Columbia University, said: ‘Everything is going to be bad in excess and it’s probably not terrible in moderation.’
Dr Tau, who was not involved with the study, said more research was needed, in particular longer studies to determine whether porn leads to brain changes.
He said ‘It is possible that there are individuals with a certain kind of brain that are more susceptible to these kinds of behaviours.
‘Or, it’s possible it’s the excessive use (of porn) that’s perpetuating itself to causing brain changes. Or, it could be both.’
Dr Kuhn said other behaviours, such as driving a taxi are linked to changes in brain size and functioning.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2642712/Does-watching-porn-make-LAZY-X-rated-content-shrink-region-brain-linked-motivation-study-claims.html

>>10784678
Makes sense but how much dopa does porn release?

Masturbation and porn only reinforce the sex drive.
Unless you're a low T cuck, I don't see how anyone can possibly claim their sex drive is lower in their 20s and even 30s compared to teenage years. My sex drive was lower then because I had less access to porn and at best did it once a week. Compared to daily or more frequent later on. It's a product of habit more than anything.

>>10784685
>>10785331
what if what i imagine when fapping is more degenerate than porn

>>10784783

Based Cultist of Ecstasy

>>10785403
>I could literally stop whenever I want.
Never heard that one before lol

>>10784663
If you get addicted to porn it can be "dangerous" I guess... if you only stay inside and fap all day long. "Dangerous" only because you will ruin your life (not spending that time doing better things).

Nofap is BS.... no-porn however, might be the real savior

>>10785408
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/02/porn-less-gray-matter-brain_n_5418607.html
http://www.livescience.com/19755-porn-shut-visual-brain.html
https://www.livescience.com/46006-can-porn-shrink-brain.html
http://www.dw.com/en/pea-brain-watching-porn-online-will-wear-out-your-brain-and-make-it-shrivel/a-17681654
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/10441027/How-porn-is-rewiring-our-brains.html
https://www.webroot.com/us/en/resources/tips-articles/internet-pornography-by-the-numbers
https://www.opednews.com/populum/page.php?f=The-growing-epidemic-of-ch-by-Terrence-Aym-101023-680.html
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/porn-addiction-at-crisis-level
http://www.examiner.com/article/internet-pornography-addiction-is-it-a-social-epidemic-or-something-more

>>10785337
thanks for calling out this pseudoscience

porn is bad for a number of reasons, masturbation in moderation is healthy

>>10785403
Sure, buddy. Just keep telling yourself that.

>>10785403
>It has no affect on my willpower.
> I could literally stop whenever I want
prove it to yourself

>>10785489
>masturbation is healthy
Major wrong and major cope.

>>10785376
based

>>10785408
>Kuhn

>>10784783
You should just get ahold of some DMT, or even Salvia would do.

>>10785495
cope

>>10785148
Just do it occasionally so you don't have wet dreams and so you stay halfway sexually active. Do you really like washing your sheets and boxers every 2 weeks at random because you came all over them? Just jerk off in the toilet and be done with it.

>>10785506
t. ESL that doesn't know how to use cope.

Anime fans are similar to heroin addicts, displaying the same symptoms of addiction: Anxious, always on edge, anti-social, social anxiety, panic attacks, unable to empathize, have difficulty with facial expressions and social cues.
It doesn't actually create autism per se, it creates an addiction that manifests in similar symptoms. People can just tell that you seem like you jacked off to hentai one too many times.
Being addicted to porn, gambling, looking at your cell phone, etc. causes your brain's wiring to only derive pleasure from those things. If you do only one thing for a long time, your brain will optimize itself to only get pleasure from it. Chemical dependency is actually the weakest part of any addiction. The brain goes back to regular chemical regulation within 1-2 weeks. The real problem is the long term neuroplasticity from months/years of constant downregulation and dopamine pathway abuse. With the more fucked up porn you watch, you've trained yourself to derive reward from it, and you're going to want to keep that pathway lit up.
You can say you're not an addict, but I'm sure you've never been without hentai for a couple weeks just to see if you could. You'd start breaking down and begging to get your fix. Ever notice how anime fans and porn fans tend to pick one or another? It affects the same areas in the brain responsible for reward. Jews will fuck you up with porn, japs fuck you up with anime.

>>10785512
copey seethey

>>10785510
Masturbation never served to prevent wet dreams for me. They are better prevented by avoiding sexual arousal and thoughts during the day time.

>>10785514
>If you do only one thing for a long time, your brain will optimize itself to only get pleasure from it.
what absolute twaddle

>>10785510
The more strictly semen retention is practiced, the greater are it's benefits. Also there is a rebound effect for sexual activity for most so one time quickly becomes several over the course of a few days.

>>10784663

Both drug addiction and sexual addiction represent pathological forms of neuroplasticity along with the emergence of aberrant behaviors involving a cascade of neurochemical changes mainly in the brain's rewarding circuitry

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4040958/

"It has been found that deltaFosB gene in the NAc is critical for reinforcing effects of sexual reward. Pitchers and colleagues (2010) reported that sexual experience was shown to cause DeltaFosB accumulation in several limbic brain regions including the NAc, medial pre-frontal cortex, VTA, caudate, and putamen, but not the medial preoptic nucleus. Next, the induction of c-Fos, a downstream (repressed) target of DeltaFosB, was measured in sexually experienced and naive animals. The number of mating-induced c-Fos-IR cells was significantly decreased in sexually experienced animals compared to sexually naive controls. Finally, DeltaFosB levels and its activity in the NAc were manipulated using viral-mediated gene transfer to study its potential role in mediating sexual experience and experience-induced facilitation of sexual performance. Animals with DeltaFosB overexpression displayed enhanced facilitation of sexual performance with sexual experience relative to controls. In contrast, the expression of DeltaJunD, a dominant-negative binding partner of DeltaFosB, attenuated sexual experience-induced facilitation of sexual performance, and stunted long-term maintenance of facilitation compared to DeltaFosB overexpressing group. Together, these findings support a critical role for DeltaFosB expression in the NAc in the reinforcing effects of sexual behavior and sexual experience-induced facilitation of sexual performance. … both drug addiction and sexual addiction represent pathological forms of neuroplasticity along with the emergence of aberrant behaviors involving a cascade of neurochemical changes mainly in the brain's rewarding circuitry."

>>10785451
then don't imagine that lol. Just fantasize about realistic stuff.

>>10785529
Proof the sex drive is a product of habit and can be reinforced.

>>10785531
Double digit /r/nofap post.

i'm sure 4chan addiction is worse than busting a nut a few times a week

>>10785566
Fallacious reasoning. Your own languages shows you don't take the problem seriously in the first place.

>>10785566
Imagine that you quit masturbation for almost three months, but on the very first day of that period you went back to regularly browsing 4chan and haven't stopped since.
Some people must just be defective to not see how poor a decision like that is.

>>10785524
What are the benefits?

>>10785566
both are dangerous to your sanity

>>10785579
Sex drive goes almost completely away and you have extreme motivation and clarity of mind.

>>10784783
I snorted some cacao the other day. Very different experience. Gave me ear blockage a few days later.

Was pretty blazed my dude. I don't drink anymore, but have considered doing so...

>>10785317
>>10785319
>>10785321
quite convincing to be honest.

>>10784663
It is true, I'm a cumbrain, and yes, when I stop gapping I can focus *A LOT* more, also I have more stamina that means my physical performance is better, and I get a lot better in bed (a combination of stamina and more urges to cum since I haven't because I didn't fap) and feel less tired which means I'm more productive, I still can't help it most of the times, but when I make it to 3 or more days I start noticing the improvements.

Jokes on you, due to my opioid addiction I don’t have any libido whatsoever, NoFap is fucking easy :^)

>>10784663
>be me
>uncut
>masturbate once every 7-10 days
>sometimes twice in a row though
>when done to porn, feel sapped of energy and drive
>when done without porn, or with somewhat more tasteful stills / solo / masturbation, this does not occur. no loss is incurred

hhhhhmmmmmmmmm.... i'm beginning to believe all those bible thumpers saying that pornography is a black magic mass spectacle ritual. where attention goes energy flows etc. a "demonic" energy harvesting system. though the possibility of some subconscious aspect where i feel ashamed to be participating in the system, or not having an actual partner of my own, cannot be controlled for.

>>10785736
Opioid addiction is easier to quit than masturbation and sexual compulsion.

>>10785747
Psychosomatic guilt.
There are physiological consequences for both scenarios.

>>10785567
what problem?

>it's another americans blame the consequences of circumcision on random things thread

>>10785567
*language

>>10784663
Nofap is all propaganda by a few fanatics.

>>10785317
The reality is it's all about nutrition. With a proper diet that gives ample nutrients, there would be virtually no downsides to orgasms in moderation. The other fact to consider is that nutritional guidelines have not been updated in several decades, and the quality of mass produced produce has only slid down to the point where there is no realistic way to achieve necessary levels of micronutrients from diet without additional, calculated use of supplements. Typical multi-vitamins do nothing but further the state of chemical imbalance.

>>10785891
This is Jewish propaganda. They circumcise your penis then surround you with a culture that's all about achieving greater sensual and erotic pleasures. It's to torture and enslave you.

>>10784783
I will never trust a weebshitter.

>>10785924

>>10785609
Yeah, I can definitely see myself in this before and after two years studying physics

>>10785337
ITS THE CURRENT YEAR

>>10785951
Agree with this. Worst time of my life was when I was unemployed. Most chaste was when I was studying all day.

>>10784663
it's a weird form of dissonance when something on 4chan is probably is true, and worse yet, will likely benefit you.

just because you have a problem and feel compelled to watch anal gape cuckold scat gagging gangbangs, doesn't mean everyone else does

>>10786213
>this level of projecting

>>10786233
>responding to an accusation of projection with another accusation of projection
cope dilate

>>10786237
>specifically mentions what he is projecting (the definition of projection),
>gets called out on it
>rages with defensive no-you and uses the "dilate" meme further proving his depravity

>>10786263
crikey

>>10786352
>>10786263
both of you are degenerate faggots kys

>>10784663
I enjoy a good fap occasionally.

>>10786528
So does UR DAD when he faps to me making UR MOM CUM with MY DICK spasms

>>10786534
My parents divorced when I was 3. My father is dead.

>>10786540
(But I do like a good UR MUM/DAD occasionally. Just the cuckoldry thing doesn't strike me as funny.)

>>10786540
They can be rather intense sometimes
we did it in Southern california last night

>>10786528
Lust indulged becomes habit, habit unresisted becomes necessity.

>>10786548
It doesn't become habit.

>>10786552
It will.

>>10786558
When?

>>10786540
>My father is dead
wow good going retard what did you do?

>>10786577
Cancer.

>>10784663
I just deleted several hundred gigs of pornography, collected over the last 10 years. Not all of the porn, but most of it. Just went through and bam, bam, bam, not much thought, got rid of most everything.

Very freeing. Porn is an invisible weight until you recognize it. The weight had long been lifted, but now I've begun to deal with it proper. I don't even masturbate much, I just had it. I was also looking through some of the hentai and it brought back some memories. I was lost and very bored.

I'm not religious in any formal sense, but I thank the bible thumpers for their resolute and accurate portrayal of pornography. It really is degeneracy.

>>10787471
>collecting hundreds of gigs of porn

the most I had was like 1.5 gigs of solo/amateur female images

>>10787482
I just kept adding to it, and have an autistic tendency to store anything and everything that could possibly be useful even in the most remote scenario. eg, as a means of access to memories relating to what was going on in a period of time. I'll attach things to objects.

>>10787490
I meant no hate with my comment, you should be very proud of deleting it. Just know that there are ways to retrieve it if you ever relapse... It was best for me to ensure the files were completely removed with no way to retrieve.

>>10784663
Its basic human conditioning that excessive porn watching and imagination is bad, but from what I've read nofap doesn't have any tangible benefits standalone.

bump

>>10787471
Based

Yes.
>>10784685
Oh look, it's the
>degeneracy prevents cancer
meme!

>>10787471
Based, Now delete the rest, you massive faggot.