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>>10760619
http://www.because-science.org/ask-a-scientist

>>10760619
grad school, biochemistry.
>wake up at 9
>walk to work, be in by 9:30
>get coffee, dick around until 10
>experiments if I have them
>if not check for new publications, skim them, note which I should read more in depth later
>lunch
>more experiments or reading or writing
>somewhere in the day is a meeting with either my advisor or an undergrad or some fellowship shit
>if experiment day, experiment runs until around 6-9 (mine have set time durations)
>go home, eat dinner, read more, play video games for final 1-2 hours.
>sleep at 12-1
>repeat.

Biochem grad student here, schedule varies based on day and is usually 10-6 but here’s what I did today.
>9:00-9:30: come in, eat breakfast
>9:30-11:00: get bacteria ready for centrifuge
>11:00-12:30: wait, have lunch
>12:30-5:00: use chromatography to purify protein
>5:00-6:20: concentrate protein, store it, lock up if last to leave

Mind that the work schedule varies a lot based on the lab that you’re in. I have some friends that come in on Sunday 10-3 and some with the same schedule as I do.

>>10760619
OBSERVE
HYPOTHESIZE
METHODIZE
EXACT

>fuck around for days/weeks
>sometimes read about the subject I'm supposed to work with
>sometimes have nice ideas but don't actually work on them
>sometimes prepare presentations about things I have done weeks ago and pretend I have been working hard on it until recently
>realize soon I have to present new results or something
>spend a few days coding and running some simulations
>present some results
>repeat

>>10760619
Earth scientist here
>Show up at work between 8 and 12
>No one really cares
>Have coffee, sit down at computer
>Do science on computer
>Leave somewhere between 4pm and 8pm
Repeat Mon-Fri

>>10760619
I am just an undergrad but work in a synthetic chemistry laboratory. I usually arrive around 9am and run reactions and workup until 7pm or 8pm. Then I eat dinner and drink myself to sleep with friends

>>10761976
I miss the lab so much, such a comfy work environment.

Jesus government jobs are pathetic

>>10762161
It really is, but it also feels to me like life is on standstill to a degree.
Does the feeling of living in a bubble ever go away?

>>10760619
Literally look up any grant. It depends on whether you’re a theorist or experimentalist, but the answer is usually that you make lots of efforts to communicate with your partners/peers while making sure the process goes smoothly, whether that’s making sure that a piece of technology is giving you reasonable readings or finding the paper that gives you a technique to deal with a problem you’ve been brainstorming on all week

>>10762161
>>10762194
seriously speaking id like you to also expand on this. I am terrified that after grad school I wont know what to do, or acclimate. Im a fucking kid still, albeit in my late twenties, but still, im an immature fuck who loves drugs and the uni lifestyle. How the fuck can i transition after grad school...?

>>10762598
>Im a fucking kid still
>albeit in my late twenties
Lol you’re not a kid then, that’s literally the age you are a man. Mentally you may be a child though
> How the fuck can i transition after grad school...?
And this, undergrads who are reading, is why you do internships - lest you end up a pathetic man child who went to school for many years because he couldn’t figure out how to apply his skills in a real world environment

>>10762598
Honestly the transition comes pretty naturally. I started my first "real" job after grad school at the start of the year, and I realized that "real" jobs are piss easy compared to the amount of time you put into grad school. I was used to working the weird hours, occasional 12 hour work days, weekends, and everything from grad school, so transition to a 9-6 was weird just because it felt like I wasn't doing anything or working that hard.

>>10760619
Industry R&D scientist here. Working in a chem lab for a medical device manufacturer.
>around 08:20 arrive at work
>grab a coffee, check emails and nature/relevant news sources
>around 08:45 make a rough to-do list if there's anything I need to get done
>0900 head down to the lab usually doing experiments or other labwork until 1200
>1200 head back up and work on any documentation that needs to be done/check emails
>1230 head out for lunch
>1300-1330 head back to the office/lab to work on whatever I had to do, otherwise if nothing urgent just think a while about our processes/experiments/upcoming projects
>1400 start testing out whatever random things I/colleagues came up with
>1600 go home
Also a lot of random things that come up with people asking for help from other departments.

Back at uni my life was similar to this
>>10761976 a lot of waiting for small prep bacteria cultures to be ready to put into the big shaker flasks, waiting for columns, waiting for centrifuge, waiting to spike cultures, waiting to introduce isotopes, heaps of waiting.

Industry is great, I walk out the door and instantly stop thinking about my work projects. At uni it was always on my mind.

>>10762598
Honestly working is a lot easier than uni. Worst case scenario you have shitty coworkers/manager and you might hate it. If they aren't total shits they'll be great and help you do anything/everything, 90% of your training will happen on the job.

>>10762694
This too. I went bachelors with research year -> casual contract lab technician -> research assistant -> research scientist because I took the job at an expanding research company not an established pharmaceutical one (even though that was more inline with my degree). Now I'm in a position which technically requires a postgrad but I was already in the company and knew the most in the department about these factors of the project so I was a shoe-in, not to mention being one of maybe 10 people in the country (4 of which who work for us) who know/care at all about the esoteric cross-discipline field of science we're using in this product.

>>10761953
Do you at least shower or brush your teeth?

50% paperwork regarding vaguely lab related bullshit I never asked for like (((QM))) things or ordering equipment and stocks

25% lame ass meetings to talk over experiments that rarely happen and never work

25% pipetting a thing into another thing

This thread is precious to me.
I aspire to have a workday like yours sooner or later.
I have a few questions though.
Am I a brainlet if, in the ending of my 2 undergrad year, I still think I don't know anything about my field (biology)? I feel so ignorant. Every exams I pass just exit my mind, I can't rember 95% of what I studied. It's all so tiring, I want to be an expert in what I study but I find myself getting bored on books. I hate myself for that, because I really enjoy working in the lab as I do with my thesis professor, I really like the manuality and the thought process behind research, finding related papers, elaborating ideas, getting samples, doing experiments... All thing I really enjoy doing, spend hours doing then for free. But studying, I don't like studying, force myself to do it in order to get the best possible grade for an exam but it's not much fun.
Am I not suited to be a researcher?

>>10763204
You're not

>>10763204
If you're doing alright academically and more importantly you're getting along with people who can give you references/networking then you'll be fine.
I still feel like I have no idea about anything I'm doing and I'm basically an authority at my work. Just be prepared to learn and correct yourself when new information replaces old and you'll be fine.

>>10763204
dont worry about it dude they will literally teach you everything you need for your job again once you actually need it or at the very least pass you a few papers/textbook chapters to get back up to speed. they KNOW that people learn jack shit in uni. thats why employers like (out-of-uni) internships and such on your resume so much, because it reflects you actually knowing what youre doing as opposed to participating in some pointless 2 week lab practical and writing an exam about it and actually having understood nothing.
the biggest retards become researchers so dont worry. youll make it too of you want to. uni is mostly a social experience anyway (both in terms of cooling your autism a little and actually networking), the studies are just an afterthought. they are supposed to make you say "oh ive heard of pcr before" and not prepare you to hit the ground running day one at your first job.

You know how a cashier goes to work and uses the cash register all day. This is what most "scientists" do all day too except the machine may (or may not) be more complicated than a cash register.

>>10763216
>>10763232
Thanks guys, I feel a bit more motivated.
I guess networking is one of the few things I'm doing well, weirdly enough almost no one else in my course is doing it, it seems everyone wants to be a nutritionist lol.

Is it worth to get a master degree in a general subject like molecular bio in order to stay close to one professor you are working with and could provide you with connections and opportunities? If it was for me I would go somewhere else and get a more specific master degree but this professor will let me keep publishing with him if I stay in that uni, do you think it's worth it?

>>10763290
Will you get paid for the master's? Are you looking for a career in academia or industry?

>>10760619
watch porn

>>10763292
No it's not like American phds, it's just 2 years of university courses I'll have to pay, like an extension of undergrad, which should make you more employable and is required if you want to get a PhD or a job inherent to your degree.
I would like to work in academia. If things don't work out that way I guess I will try and get into industry, I won't have many other options will I?

i can spend the day slacking off and nobody will notice or care

>>10763371
based!

I work in an applications lab. There is naturally no set order to the things I do; the work is varied and flexible. In a day, I usually have a bunch of measurements running, evaluate and write up reports, have meetings with customers to discuss the best machine for them and possible modifications we could try to fit their requirements. I also talk with the design and service teams a lot to improve our machines, or just tinker with them myself and come up with new methods and jury-rigs for special applicaitons. During times when there's a bottleneck (no pressing tasks, inability to proceed with evaluation/writeups while waiting for tests to complete) I fuck around and read books.

>>10762866
i shower and brush my teeth in the shower from 9-9:30 yea

>>10760619
mathing coding writing articles reading articles thinking drinking coffee talking to supervisor

that's about it

>>10762128
This is how I got my master's in chemistry

>>10761953
Do you just hold all that poo in everday?

>>10762141
How did you get a a chem lab gig when you're still in undergrad?

This is very much an aside, but I hate how no one is passionate about Science nowadays. We should be pushing everything to its limits and experimenting with every idea that comes to our minds. Ethics be damned.

>>10764679
>I hate how no one is passionate about Science nowadays
In a few years you won't be either.

>>10764689
If you're talking about lab procedures, articles, all the boring shit, then no. I've always hated that.

Science itself, however, unconstrained by everything else... that is what I love.

lmao look at the biochem posts, they do what is basically the job of a lab technician but with a title
how fucking miserable do you have to be to repeat the same shit for the rest of your life and not break out of the pattern

>>10764692
>Science itself, however, unconstrained by everything else
Have fun doing science in your garage.

>>10764689
It's because amateur science is dead. Industry sucked all the soul out of research, so your choices are:
1) babby-tier routines with hyper expensive equipment
2) being verbally abused for not knowing more than the leading experts, or
3) pretending to do something useful and science-like for grant bux
Nobody does crazy shit for fun anymore

>>10764695
>how fucking miserable do you have to be to repeat the same shit for the rest of your life and not break out of the pattern
life is gonna hit you hard kid. i enjoy that "shit", so it is never boring.

>>10764697
>>10764822
you CAN do this shit. You just need money. Thanks capitalism. Vote Andrew Yang 2020 btw

>>10764695
>how fucking miserable do you have to be to repeat the same shit for the rest of your life
Just program an AI bot to do it FFS, how hard is it for you retards to figure this out?

>>10764600
removed asshole with science long ago

>>10764849
Woah your the real deal then...

>>10764692
Yeah it seems you are going to hate your job if you here get one which doesn't seem likely.

>>10760619
I work in a machine learning lab...
Wake up
Go to work
Read some papers, do some thinking and design, maybe some coding
Got for lunch
Usually have some meetings with supervisor or high up technical officers/managers (I do research at a major tech company)
More design/thinking/coding
Go home
Study Algebraic Topology or some other field of math
Drink vodka
Fuck
Sleep
(I'm a physics and CS 4th year student btw)

>>10764695
What do you then big boy? I'm curious about this branch of science which doesn't repeat experiments.

>>10760619
>read
>experiment
>fuck up experiment
>worry about impending end of grant

I work remotely as a research scientist for a fairly famous (in our field) medium-sized lab at a mid-tier university. My work is primarily designing software tools to support our field work, designing procedures, and writing up the technical analyses of data (lab does mostly social 'science')

6:30am, rise, prepare+consume coffee and light breakfast (toast or a pastry, some fruit), see girlfriend off to work
7am: consume amphetamines, power nap for an hour or so
8am: brisk calisthenics, walk around the neighborhood, maybe pick up a fifth of cheap Irish whiskey at the package shop, maybe stop in at the diner nearby for a coffee and pie,
9am: shower
9:30am: review my journal, calendar, emails, skim preprints and new proceedings and journal issues, etc, and plan the days work
10am: do the work, consume whiskey
4pm: any errands outside the house, after that shitpost until gf arrives home
5:30pm: gf makes dinner, I eat
7pm: we listen to a radio drama
8pm: have sex
8:30pm: shitpost or do more work
11pm: shitpost in bed until asleep

>>10767700
Of course, during the summer I attend at least one conference, typically more. Our field has several conferences for subfields/regions that all coordinate schedules, so a prolific researcher may be presenting at a conference each week for a month or more, in a solid block of travel. One week of such a conference looks something like this for me:

Tuesday
>Arrive
>Usually the night/afternoon before main conference a large portion of people have already arrived for workshops
>Chat up and befriend some people I haven't met before, probably go out for dinner and light cocktails. Be back in bed before midnight

Wednesday
>Spend the day earnestly attending presentations, finding potential collaborators, etc
>typically the conference throw some social event or reception this night, sometimes it's the next night
>My old existing friend group have all done the same thing yesterday, talking to new people and taking them out
>we all invite the more enjoyable companions of last night's outing to another outing after tonight's social event
>Drink heavily, perhaps imbibe in other substances until ~2am

Thursday
>Begrudgingly arrive to the morning keynote session
>Again spend the conference to earnestly doing academic duties, talking to potential collaborators, doing a presentation, whatever it is I need to do
>Make sure to find each of the people from last night and talk to them for at least a few minutes individually
>Invite them out to visit some tourist trap nearby and then similar activities as last night
>hookups might happen
>Back in bed by 2 am

Friday/final day
>Be exhausted after the past few nights
>Skip the majority of the morning sessions
>Come to the afternoon sessions and closing remarks
>Again with the outing, we culminate with one final hurrah
>Out until the bars closed, then off to the suite one of us inevitably figures some clever way to expense to the taxpayers dime

Saturday morning
>Drunkenly limp onto flight home

>>10760662
Meat is murder
>>10764102
>wake up at 9
>get to school by 9:30
>shower and brush teeth WHILE walking to school

>>10763292
>Will you get paid for the master's?
Not him but what? I understand people can sometimes get their master's degree essentially for free, either with scholarships or by helping out as TAs and such (not sure if the latter means you are literally not charged for your classes, or if you're just paid for helping with TAing etc that offsets the cost of tuition)
But how the fuck can you get PAID to get a masters degree?

>>10767752
I'm in the US, my research assistant appointment during my MS had a tuition waiver for 9 hours/semester as well as a stipend of ~1200 monthly

Typically these are only offered for research or thesis option Masters, not coursework Masters

>>10767752
The same way you get paid to do a PhD, since masters are just shorter PhDs. That's not how it works in burgerland?

>>10767742
i live 5 minutes away from my building walking, it's wonderful

>>10767769
>tuition waver for 9 hours/semester
As in you'd get to take up to 9 credits/semester for free or what?
>stipend
So they just paid you 1200 cash? Or 1200 to spend specifically on research/etc costs or what?
>these option masters vs coursework masters
I haven't heard of these concepts before. So universities let you get a masters degree either by doing a thesis like you would for a PhD, or by taking classes as you would in undergrad, and you can do either one?
I presume if going the thesis route, you'd still take some courses, just less courses?
>>10767780
That's basically what I am asking. I understand you can basically get a masters or PhD for free, I didn't know you could get paid for either (and I didn't know exactly how you'd get it for 'free', whether it's truly free or you just get paid for TAing to offset the costs)

>>10767806
>As in you'd get to take up to 9 credits/semester for free or what?
Yes, with some caveats such as: no underwater basket weaving allowed, you must make a B or higher, etc

>So they just paid you 1200 cash?
I'm a regular ass w2 employee of the university. 600 to my checking account biweekly
>Or 1200 to spend specifically on research/etc costs or what?
Research expenses are paid for by your lab/PI/advisor's funding, or reimbursed later if you pay for them yourself. For instance, I just attended a conference. My dept paid for the up-front costs: registration, airfare+hotel reservations. I keep receipts for everything (food, printing charges, taxi fare, etc) and they reimburse me

>I haven't heard of these concepts before. So universities let you get a masters degree either by doing a thesis like you would for a PhD, or by taking classes as you would in undergrad, and you can do either one?
>I presume if going the thesis route, you'd still take some courses, just less courses?

In my program the PhD and MS students can take the same courses (anything 500-700 level). A non-research MS requires 30 hours of courses, and a specific number of hours in various domains, and typically takes 2 years/5 semesters but can be done in 3 or 4. A research MS requires 24 hours of courses, less similar breadth requirements but additional depth requirements in your specialty, along with your proposal, experiments, and thesis. These are also "expected" to take 2 years/5 semesters, but some run longer due to the unpredictability of the experiments.

For comparison, the PhD students here have almost identical requirements as the research MS students, but they are required to pass a comprehensive exam after year 2, get a certain number of publications, and finally complete a full dissertation in the final three years.


>I didn't know you could get paid for either
For an MS it's not typical, but for a PhD if it's not free tuition and you get a paycheck, something is wrong...

>>10767822
Thanks for explaining
>For an MS it's not typical
As in, tuition waver is typical but stipend is atypical or what?

>>10767700
>gf works then cooks dinner
You're one lucky son of a bitch. We alternate who cooks dinner based on who gets home first. How do you distribute doing the dishes?

>>10767752
>>10763356
I'm in Australia and our masters work similarly. 2 years and you need to do it to start a PhD (unless you do an honours year first but those are getting phased out). Here you can cover your course fees with an interest free loan from the government and you'll get an allowance but it's not much.

That said, the place I work has an education policy where they will cover 50% of your course fee and give you flexible hours to let you complete a work relevant degree.
>>10762739

>>10767806
I guess you get some money in exchange for doing original research. But it is usually just enough to cover basic expenses.

>>10760619
apparently shitposting about their dick i mean IQ size

Most common reply:
>Read some papers
So you are just reading each other's papers? Basically circle jerking?

>>10760619
I like how many people here get up around 8-9, it makes me feel less lazy. My schedule as a grad student in bioinformatics/evolutionary biology:

9:30-10 get to work.
10-12 code some junk
12-12:30 lunch
12:30-5 code more

You can also sometimes replacing coding with reading (whether that be papers in my field or reading about fellowships/grants), writing (either in my lab notebook or in prep for a paper or grant proposal), or meeting with my advisor or helping some undergrad out. This is during summer, of course also interject classes I teach or am a student in during the school semester.

>>10768574
Oh yeah and I guess if you're curious about after work. After 5 go home and eat dinner and then play video games the rest of the night or if I feel I didn't do much work during the day, code for another hour or two.

>>10768580
>if you're curious about after work
No one is. You and everyone itt should limit your posts to science related activities.

>>10768121
I always do the breakfast dishes, sometimes she will do the dinner dishes, sometimes they stay in the sink and i do them the next morning

>>10760619
tenure track md/phd

>wake up at 8
>morning bisness light breakfast
>walk to work be there around 9.15
>coffee with prof
>go talk to underlings
>read journals, fuck around in the lab if someone is doing something interesting
>now it's noon
>lunch for 1-2h
>lab meeting, handle official business, ordering materials etc.
>go to a clinical meeting around 3 pm
>offer advice on the cases if I have anything to say, maybe go check on the patients with the other docs
>see patients in private practice to around six or seven
>go home
>poop
>sleep

>>10760619
>get in around 9:30-10:00
>do some experiments, usually this means poor thing stuff and cooking it
>while I'm waiting I'll either analyze data, write simulations, read papers, or talk politics/current events with labmates
>once/twice a week or so have meetings so I'll sometimes prepare presentations for those
>after lunch more experiments
>usually go to a seminar at least once a week, sometimes totally outside of my field
>leave around 5-6
On weekends I'll usually go in from like 1-5pm

>>10760619
>examination gloves

>>10764692
>If you're talking about science, then no. I've always hated that.
>Science itself, however, unconstrained by everything else... that is what I love.
????

>>10769233
well too late now. I just added stuff since most people did and OP's question leaves it open by asking for the day, which could include the literal 24 hour period.

>>10764654
Oh, I should have clarified that it’s an academic lab. In which case I just asked the professor to join

>>10769823
You shouldn't blog here even if other people did or someone asked.

>>10760619
Before I started spending all my time writing my thesis:
>Start a bunch of experiments.in the morning
>Have lunch
>Do some analysis (aka write a bunch of shitty python scripts)
>clean up the reactions I started in the morning and maybe send some samples off for sequencing
>do a little reading
>do a little writing
>have a meeting with the PI
>go home and shitpost on 4chan

The four keys to science are, collaboration, experiment, research, and publication.

If your work doesn't involve all four, you're not doing science.

>>10770009
>phoneposting

>>10769597
My company has purple gloves in the micro lab so that people know if they see you with purple gloves you're contaminating everything and gtfo.

typically something pretty menial like filling pipetts x1000

I mean you're filling pipettes in a way that's never been done before in hopes of a a breakthrough discovery, but those pipettes don't fill themselves, you know?

>>10770625
>not ordering the the quick refill packs
You poor bastard.

>>10760619
What people think:
>holding foggy beakers
>shake them to make them changeh colors dude!
>poking glowing buttons
>wave your hands up and down when the printout comes out!
>scientific_progress.mp4
Actually:
>drink too much coffee to brace yourself
>have important project rejected by idiot who doesn't even know what your proposal means
>beg friends and colleagues to help you convince the unscientific idiot who somehow controls funding to do project
>do project after long sleepless hours since barely anyone else knows what the fuck it is about but you
>spend the next two years helping your colleagues do projects you barely know about, >you have to chip in anyway because you owe them
>at least you get to put your name on some of the research
>you get skilled in solving these problems peripheral to your desired field specialization niche
>wash, rinse, repeat
>you can solve all kinds of odd problems in several areas now
>still keep up with your little beloved niche though
>build up a pile of interesting open problems in your actual desired field
>you won't get to do them because your name is on so much weird stuff
>they'll give you plenty of funding for all that weird stuff though
>fucking bastards
>have a respectable career solving problems almost but not really related to the questions that got you into the field
>shove that now massive pile of open problems on your most autistic and focused undergrad
>get drunk and hope it works out
>you fucking know it won't
>foot_up_businessman_ass.png

Don't pretend this shit doesn't happen constantly. This is the area where you guys should be throwing advice, since it is difficult to avoid and isn't discussed in classes.

>>10770625
>there are people who don't buy them prefilled

Jesus

>>10762129
>>Show up at work between 8 and 12
>>No one really cares
LOL

>>10767700
You are the light of the nation.

>>10771490
living the dream

>>10770659
Perhaps throw me the broad term of said 'interesting stuff' and I can pull some strings.

>>10771526
>interesting stuff
_____ engineering that turned into bio-systems computation sums it up pretty well. There's artificial economic restrictions on actually using large scale industrial applications of my beloved field. Nothing else, not practicality or state of the art. Just the artificial economic restrictions. It doesn't even run into the ethical mess of nearby but distinct pharmacological or medical fields.

I had a massive rant detailing exactly why before realizing that I don't have the heart to dissuade others from possibly succeeding or entering the arena. I won't fill in the blank, and have probably said too much, but it wasn't genetic engineering.
>pull strings
I appreciate the thought. But I'm old and out of the game. If you pull some strings for whippersnappers who need it, you're doing your part. Keep the corps from fucking them over. That's what the kids really need. Scientists don't steer the ship of policy anymore, if we ever did. So help out the kids, they'll eventually grow out of the stupid. Damn near every other scientist I met and much more than a few scholars and artists spend massive amounts of time doing so. So as much as I bitch and yell, there's hope yet, fuck if I know how to unwrap it though.

>>10771996
either tell it all or just don't say anything, this teasing is killing me

>>10771996
As someone who works in biology I'd be curious to hear more about the subject. Even if as you say it's not realizable, learning about niche ideas that could potentially have utility is always interesting and useful as a scientist.

>>10760619
I mostly move spam from pajeets wanting to work in my group to the trash and eat lunches.

>>10772006
>>10772009
You're alright kids. I'm tempted, but I spent too much effort in the field to do the equivalent of telling people that going into it industrially is (economically) worthless. I might be able to give enough of a gist without making myself feel like /trash.

The industrial products compete against the established fine chemical manufacturing infrastructure. That current infrastructure uses process chemistry to give the same/similar industrial products in a much more hazardous and expensive way. The suits don't care because they already have that equipment. A competitive process from my field which does the same at room temperature and with very little equipment would make all of their capital goods (expensive machinery) worthless for that purpose. Wide scale industrial engineering in my field would basically destroy large segments of the suits' rent-taking system.

I never met a process chemist who disliked the idea of ramping up applications in my field. I got into it to spare them some of the dangerous processes they're forced to do. No raw Hg or UO2 heat bomb needed anymore. They're good people. My discipline is doing very well in a research oriented sense, lots of useful, inexpensive, and usable results. But somehow the industrial start-ups that would objectively outperform and compete against current manufacturing tend to collapse disproportionally.

Ridiculously high barriers to entry? Those just happen to be there, the current major manufacturers aren't responsible for industry standards that cripple newcomers. Market fluctuations where the price of the product lowers to nothing so that even a more efficient and safer process can't survive the glut? No oligarchs to see here folks.

It is the fucking suits. And I used to wonder why my mentor drank like fish. There's enough cross application, that it is clear that specific areas of medicine and pharmacy are a fucking horror-show too -- subjected to greedy idiots limiting them. Se la vie.

>>10760619
I am a theoretical scientist so i just read, write and shitpost all day

>>10764595
How did you get away without running experiments?

>>10772056
i feel ya buddy

t. biodesulfurization

>>10772056
>We won't invest in this cheaper, more efficient, safer technology because we already have expensive, dangerous, high-maintenance, less efficient technology.
>It's the suits
Yet in every other industry, cheaper and more efficient technologies readily supplant older more expensive ones. Either you're not telling the whole story and your field has yet to conclusively demonstrate that it can meet the same levels of production and purity for less money, or the chemical industry is uniquely stupid. I'm betting on the former.

>>10772265
>gets it
Though break man. If we give the kids enough dope slaps, they might manage to change things. Random shit happens all the time.
>>10772265
>Yet in every other industry, cheaper and more efficient technologies readily supplant older more expensive ones.
I'm tempted to just insult you or agree, but not due to being a bastard. Here's why: That you even believe this is the standard is so hard to square with reality -- unless you're an eager beaver kid just settling in and full of piss and vinegar or are lucky and haven't hit a nonsense policy wall. You're wrong, but damned if I didn't wish you were right.
>I'm betting
I'm not going to get into examples from my field, nor will I be goaded into it. If you take that bet that society is following logic and reason in decision making, you will lose. It is that simple, kid. You think that policy makers and society are based on sensible decisions and are aimed at efficiency. That will get smacked out of you, or you'll bust your head on something deliberately and stupidly immovable for no good reason.

Why would you even believe this? Are the roads and infrastructure around you kept up to snuff in some miraculous ever improving way or is everything held together by spit and prayers? I know the feeling of thinking that at least science will be better. Sometimes it is, and sometimes not.

I hope you don't get more than a bloody nose out of learning how wasteful and assbackwards our species is. I'll tell you what. Why don't you start a thread asking about examples of this sort of thing. Maybe you can take off the blinders the easy way.

>>10770625
made my day holy shit imagine manually refilling your pipet tips in 2019. please be from india or ukraine or something.

>>10771996
Harp has been played.

>>10768196

Where I was, an engineering degree was 4 years and after it you could either do:
-a PhD (~3 years but realistically 4/5/6/20 years long)
-a masters by coursework (sit in the same room with BEng students from another course and do those courses for a year or two)
-a masters by research (sit in the same room with PhD students and shit out a couple of orc-tier technical papers suggested by your supervisor for a year or two)
-find job

>>10773450

I'm a retard and just realised this thread is specifically about scientists but oh well, there's what engineering in Australia looks like if anyone's interested in an adjacent degree field

>>10773456
>>10773450
What's your average day look like?

>>10773462

jack off and play videogames. i looked for engineering work for close to a year after graduating but couldn't find shit so i went back to do a phd since i'd enjoyed my bachelors honours project and easily had the grades for the full stipend etc. Took a break after the first year (with the understanding i was pretty likely to quit during it) and found a job in construction as a site engineer for a year (basically a mix of admin/purchasing + QA on making sure we'd met standards on our roads and buildings + proving this to our client), quit that after i hit the magic number of a year of experience to look for an actual engineering job in my field. found one last month, in aerospace, which i think is subcontracted to JSF stuff but i don't know as i don't start for a few weeks. shitting myself because although it's a grad role, they seem to be expecting me to know way more than i actually do due to my year of phd and year of QA engineering stuff. hoping i can fumble my way through until i pick up the needed skills.

>>10760619
is that sal vulcano?

>>10773432
>Harmonic phase algorithm
Some things improve.

>>10767742
>Meat is murder
So is slaying that pussy but I still did that to your mom.

>>10773481
There'll either be nobody there with that knowledge so they won't be able to notice any issues unless you're completely obvious, or there'll be people there with the knowledge who can help you. I wouldn't worry to much about it, but would still try to learn it quickly.