/sci/ - Science & Math

I heard a myth that this old guy did it. He named him "dog" or something funny like that

>>10752641
I actually have no idea what you mean since wolves being domesticated is what made dogs.

>>10752641
>was there ever an attempt to domesticate wolves?

You seem to think that dogs and wolves are different species. They are the same

>>10752694
I don't get what OP is asking for, but I also don't get why you think anyone doesn't know wolves and dogs are the same species when no one has even mentioned the concept of species.

OP here

ok what I'm asking is if there was an attempt to domesticate wolves...again, from scratch

>>10752709
>attempt to domesticate wolves

Are you mentally retarded?!
Dogs ARE domesticated wolves!

>>10752641
Quit trying to distract us, the real question is has science found an explanation why some dogs are smarter than others

>>10752694
Why are some breeds smarter than others?

>>10752709
>ok what I'm asking is if there was an attempt to domesticate wolves...again
Then you'd get dogs... again?
I'm absolutely baffled as to what you're getting at here, OP.

>>10752641
Right click with bones until dog has hearts above its head. You can then right click it to command it to sit, and you can feed him cooked chicken to make him happy.

>>10752736
purely environmental factors

>>10752736
>Why are some breeds smarter than others?

Economic Factors

>>10752963
>Economic Factors

If this is not your answer they will take your Nobel Prize away.

>>10752694
Well they at least spring from the same ancestor
https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(15)00432-7
Who knows how many other sub species there have been that are lost to history, like the denisovans are to humans

>>10752641
It doesn't work unless you're willing to kill hundreds of thousands like that Russian guy did with his foxes.

Modern dogs are not brothers to wolves, but cousins. The ancestors to dogs was not a wolf but a proto-dog brother of the wolf family.

>>10753005
You beat me to mentioning the Russian foxes. It is fascinating how breeding them for friendlyness to humans also resulted in all sorts physical changes, like differnt fur patterns & floppy ears on some of them.

>>10752641
let my ask my beagle

>>10752736
Some breeds are niggers of dogkind

>>10753005

thank you. so my question was absolutely legit and everyone being a smartass about it with "LOL dogs are domesticated wolves retard" was wrong.

wolves are not the ancestors of dogs.

wolves and the proto-dog have a common ancestor though.

>>10755238
>so my question was absolutely legit
It really wasn't though. It still makes no sense. You were asking what would happen if wolves were domesticated when wolves were already domesticated. The fact ancient wolves were slightly different from modern wolves doesn't change that. They're all still the same species.
Also you didn't even see that post before you asked what would happen if wolves were domesticated "again." Why would you ask what would happen if the same thing happened a second time? Seriously, what was the intention in asking that? I legitimately cannot understand what you were thinking.

>>10755247

well, it would be useful to validate the whole theory

>>10752970
>brainlet lab monkey talking about fields he doesn't understand
old fart deserved everything he got. daily reminder that this is why you don't reward menial labourers with nobel prizes, it gets in their head

>>10752736
We humans trained their ancestors for certain jobs which made them "smarter". That is the actual answer, and not the dunning-kruger /pol/ circlejerk stonetoss answer.
They are smarter because we made them that way, not because of some intrinsic factor that they themselves improved upon. We did it, and we do it with humans too, through enriched environments.

>>10752736
Because we wanted them to be

>>10755415
The main problem is keeping them inside a secure enclosure if you plan to do this on a commercial scale. My friends aunty used to run a zoo until she sold it and moved to a better neighborhood. I drove by the site last year and not sure who bought the land but it looked pretty run down. There were holes in the fence and it looked like immigrants had made repairs using tarps and wood and whatever else they could put together from community resources

>>10752641
You could have just asked, has anyone ever tried to recreate or simulate the processes that lead to the gradual domestication of wolves into dogs. But to answer your question, I have no idea. If you want a point in the right direction though, probably make some dog breed that dies in a day and a half and has strictly limited mating processes.

>>10755415
do you think stupid people enrich their environments?

>imagine believing dogs are real
lmao dogs are fake, everybody knows that

>>10752641
>was there ever an attempt to domesticate wolves?

Domesticated wolves are called dogs now.

>>10752709
Yes dogs were created multiple times

>>10755415
Ironically dogs are stupider than wolves no matter how hard we tried because we also have to keep them being obedient brainlets.

>>10752641
>Not just absolutely BEATING THE EVERLOVING SHIT OUT OF A WOLF IN HAND TO HAND COMBAT to ESTABLISH DOMINANCE and OBEDIENCE.

Not gonna make it.

>>10755415
You're not intelligent

so, no one mentions the canis lupus variabilis hypothesis?
dogs aren't domesticated wolves.

>>10759851
>so, no one mentions the canis lupus variabilis hypothesis?
>dogs aren't domesticated wolves
A) It's not like everyone agrees modern dogs came from canis variabilis B) canis variabilis is itself just an extinct kind of wolf and C) people did mention that idea already you fucking retard:
>>10752988
>Well they at least spring from the same ancestor
>https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(15)00432-7
>Who knows how many other sub species there have been that are lost to history, like the denisovans are to humans
>>10753005
>Modern dogs are not brothers to wolves, but cousins. The ancestors to dogs was not a wolf but a proto-dog brother of the wolf family.

Another thing that makes this question useless, wolves are being redomesticated all the time.
Every time a wolf breeds with a stray dog, and some redneck sells the spawn to hipsters as trendy hybrids... those hybrids get interbred with more dogs diluting the wild wolf DNA down to the point where a few generations later the result is just... dog.

>>10752641
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQHBmY6LbiA

>>10752641
>I fundamentally misunderstand what I'm asking, so don't give me the actual answer
You got it OP. The answer is yes, you can train wolves, but you have to have a special license to do it.

>>10758319
[citation needed]

>>10760526
“In what sense are dogs special? Canine cognition in comparative context“
-Learning and Behavior
Stephen E. G. Lea
Britta Osthaus

>>10760545
>First, except for some (sometimes contested) details of the way dogs use the behavior of humans as cues, we have found no evidence of substantial differences in cognition between dogs in general and wolves.
>we have found no evidence of substantial differences in cognition between dogs in general and wolves
>no evidence of substantial differences in cognition between dogs in general and wolves
>no evidence

>>10760559
https://www.vetmeduni.ac.at/en/infoservice/presseinformation/press-releases-2017/wolves-understand-cause-and-effect-better-than-dogs/

Dogs are retards. Hope they all get killed.

>>10760572
I wonder if domesticating humans also made them more retarded.

>>10760597
Yeah probably. Selection pressures have changed dramatically over the last ten thousand years for us.

>>10753056
Not really, you're indirectly selecting for neoteny.