/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10735436
l

>>10735436

Forget global warming, what are we going to do about the heat death of the universe?

It's obvious these people are in denial

But forcing reality and facts in their face? Not the way to get someone out of denial, it'll just push them further. Global warming denialists is a wide spread and systematic mental illness that should be treated as such.

>>10735436
those doggos probably had fun splashing around

>>10735436
>greenland will actually be green within your lifetime
>you can buy land in greenland for almost nothing today that will be idyllic coastal property when you are ready to retire

>inb4 denialtard posts gb2 /x/

>>10735461
it's ice water

>oh the ice is covered with 0C water
>the dogs legs wont by insulated once their fur is wet
>fuck it lets just have them pull us anyway
are Danes fucking cunts?

>>10736134
damb

>>10735436
It looks like a good place to live. wtf i love climate change now

>>10735436
>surface water melts
>Ice underneath is covered by ice cold water
>stops ice from melting

>>10736234
but water will runoff into the ocean, you must be drinking that dumb-fuck juice.

>>10736234
>water is colder than ice

>>10735436
>another global warming hoax thread
omfg ice is melting at summer! Let's call it "global warming"!

>>10735436
Aluminum, "mitochondrial collapse", geoengineering, and radiofrequency radiation. Synergistic activity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ0hjejI420

>/sci/ denies climate change despite obvious evidence
May as well just call this place /feel/

Looking forward to the inevitable WWIII when this shit gets serious and people have to be forced to act on it.

>>10736373
/sci/ is not /pol/ we predominantly believe in AGW. All /pol/shit usually get swatted down with hard science

>>10735436
Oh shit, better take in a hundred million niggers!

>>10736427
Well, if they believe in climate change, which they probably do, then actually that might be a way to get fucking moving on this issue.
Good idea.

>third world floods
>everything continues on as normal

>>10735436
>staged photo
>published in newspapers and on tv worldwide
>"""viral image"""

>>10735436
if global warming is real, why is real state in the San Francisco Bay Area expensive?

>>10736477
Beat as much cash out of it as long as it is possible. Even properties that fall victim to natural coastal erosion are pricy as fuck.

>>10736365
i hope you die trampled by the hordes of refugees from costal cities

>>10735477
Can you really but land in Greenland? Had the same thought a few months ago and when I looked it up sloppily it seemed like you couldn't.

>>10736186
You are literally too retarded to either insult or educate you

>>10736373
Its not /sci/ who denies it. Pretty much everyone here is in agreement, The /pol/ retards come here to deny it and to "troll"

>>10736365
Fucking kill yourself.

>>10736373

What people deny is humans being responsible for all of it.

>>10736256
It will if the surface is convex. It will not if the surface is concave.

>>10736263
>Water has no insulating properties.

>>10736423
>believe in
>hard science

Do you see the problem here?

>>10739729
Some of us also question whether it is a huge emergency, or just a gradual change that will cause minimal problems and will sort itself out without everybody going batshit crazy as the inevitable transition to energy sources that do not release CO2 occurs over time.

>>10736423
>AGW
>Hard science
Cults are fun.

>>10739752
>gradual change
Wew, lad

>>10736445
There was a refugee crisis because Syria had a civil war. Europe will have fun in the next 50 years.

>>10736365
based

>>10736263
>>10739746
Also
>anomaly of water doesn't exist

>>10739729
Exactly, you deny the evidence.
>>10739752
That's why it's a problem. The rate of temperature change is extremely fast relative to all known natural events. What is needed is a strong effort to decarbonize energy sources, starting immediately and mostly finishing over a couple of decades. Denialists want to drag feet or ignore the issue, but immediate action is what is needed to avoid a large temperature change.

>>10739994
And we can do what? You will never force India or China to follow eco standards. It's simply impossible.

Not to mention average Joe's trust in what scientists say is pretty much at all time's low due to all the retarded political shit many "scientists" say.

Refusing to use plastic forks won't save the planet.

>>10739994
It doesn't matter anymore, retard. Even if we completely stopped all emissions today we're still fucked.

>>10740089
>Refusing to use plastic forks won't save the planet
It unironically will

>You will never force India or China to follow eco standards. It's simply impossible.
Suddenly the USA and Europe are getting unlimited energy for dirt cheap and no need to import that energy, leading to technological advance and unprecedented national well-being. Nah I’m sure China will want to stay behind the curve, it’s not like they copy the USA or anything

>>10736134
This graph doesn't really show a trend.
It just shows that 2019 is a year in which a lot of melting occurred.
Just like 2002 for example is a year in which a lot of melting occurred (pic related)

>>10739994
It's laughable when people like you talk about saving the world by "decarbonizing" but intentionally ignore rampant development.

>>10735436
Give it to me straight. What would the effects of the projected global temperature increase be?

>>10740170
You won't get clean energy until we have fusion.

>>10739752
>the inevitable transition to energy sources that do not release CO2 occurs over time.

Trust me, if the plebs aren't up in arms and considering this to be an emergency this will never happen. Energy policy is dictated by the firstly electorate and secondly big oil who will defer to the first on the basis of not alienating their customer base.

>>10740235
It's always like that with this shit. If we believed climate change shills we should be underwater for 20 years.

>>10740089
>>10740107
>it's hopeless so better do nothing
You don't get to decide how hopeless it is when you're still denying the problem even exists. The more hopeless it seems, the more important it is to take strong action.
>>10740241
You know what's more laughable? Denying basic facts, or acknowledging them whilr refusing to do anything to address the threat they represent.

>>10735436
Climate deniers suck. New York City will be underwater by 2014 because of those dumbfucks.

>>10740472
NYC was underwater in 2012, dumbass

>>10740356
>>10740235
If you dig through the years one by one, you'll see that basically not a single year had a spike as high as 2019 (or 2002) since the start of the 2000s, but it's been a regular occurrence since then.

>>10740391
>Denying basic facts, or acknowledging them whilr refusing to do anything to address the threat
Like refusing to address the fact that there would be no threat if it weren't for rampant development?
That was true 30 years ago, and it will be true 30 years from now.
You're just another and altogether more dangerous type of "denier".

>>10736373
nobody denies climate change
it’s just that doomcultists deny its benefits to civilized world

>>10740574
Who said I'm denying that? Refusing to address what? Are you an idiot? Decarbonization of energy sources will enable decarbonized development. Of course carbon-energy industrialization is bad as far as global warming goes. It's one more that will need to be negotiated.
>you're a denier too
Yeah, you're a fucking retard. Denying scientific facts is not the same thing as not addressing a point you've made.

>>10740624
>ecologists and biologists say it will probably have negative impacts on natural ecosystems, in some cases leading to extinctions
>some fucking retard on /sci/ says it will be a good thing

>>10740960
>extinctions BAD

>>10740566
>since the start of the 2000s

Which is nothing on geological scale.

>>10740960
things are looking great for many countries.What are you? Some kind of third worlder?

>>10740988
damn, why is climate change so racist

>>10735451
It’s going to take a major costal city drowning to get them to admit global warming is real. And even then they’ll deny it’s caused by humans.

>>10736134
this graph is the most asinine thing i've seen in a long time

>>10735442
Is than an L or a capital I?

>>10735436
The climate crisis is REAL and can only be fixed by giving more money to the government

>>10740998
Miami is already half underwater. Not to mention Venice Beach which got swallowed up 10 years ago.

>>10740960
The weak shall fear the strong

>>10740988
>we use how GDP responded historically to temperature
>we use temperature projections
>we use population changes
Fucking kek, you have to be some kind of total brainlet to take this map seriously. It completely ignores countless issues that will have extreme negative effects on things like future food production, even in Canada and Russia

>>10740971
>>10741013
Extinctions are objectively bad.
>>10740988
>muh economy
>muh short-term
Denialists are a cancer. Species take hundreds of thousands or millions of years to evolve.

>>10735436
i just love when they use pictures and video footage of the solstace to fool morons into thinking global warming is real.

>>10741066
>they
The only thing needed to confirm global warming is occurring is the measurement evidence.

>>10740998

>>10741076
image does not have a footnote citation or anything so I figured I would chime in and provide one before some smart ass points it out

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

>>10741004
well the private sector sure as fuck isn't doing enough

>>10741023
>that will have extreme negative effects on things like future food production, even in Canada and Russia

this kills the climate shills

http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/365/1554/2973#ref-62

In mid and high latitudes, the suitability and productivity of crops are projected to increase and extend northwards, especially for cereals and cool season seed crops (Maracchi et al. 2005; Tuck et al. 2006; Olesen et al. 2007). Crops prevalent in southern Europe such as maize, sunflower and soya beans could also become viable further north and at higher altitudes (Hildén et al. 2005; Audsley et al. 2006; Olesen et al. 2007). Here, yields could increase by as much as 30 per cent by the 2050s, dependent on crop (Alexandrov et al. 2002; Ewert et al. 2005; Richter & Semenov 2005; Audsley et al. 2006; Olesen et al. 2007). For the coming century, Fisher et al. (2005) simulated large gains in potential agricultural land for the regions such as the Russian Federation, owing to longer planting windows and generally more favourable growing conditions under warming, amounting to a 64 per cent increase over 245 million hectares by the 2080s. However, technological development could outweigh these effects, resulting in combined wheat yield increases of 37–101% by the 2050s (Ewert et al. 2005)

>>10739713
You are too illiterate to form a coherent sentence.

Fuck glaciers.

>>10741101
so how do the projected improvements in agricultural output for Russia compare to the economic damages caused by worse storm systems year-round?

>>10741101
>this kills the climate shills
What does this even mean?
Also, I'd bet my left nut that these studies don't even take soil quality into account. Good fucking luck with growing anything in muskeg.

>>10741101
I'm a retard who doesn't actually read his own sources
>Sensitivity of cereal ((a,b) maize (mid- to high-latitude and low latitude), (c,d) wheat (mid- to high-latitude and low latitude) and (e,f) rice (mid- to high-latitude)) to climate change as determined from the results of 69 studies, against temperature change. Results with (green), and without (red) adaptation are shown. Reproduced from Easterling et al. (2007), fig. 5.2.

>>10741127
Poland, Ukraine and Russia have some of the best soil in the world

>>10741113
very good I am afraid for doomcultists

>>10735436
Reminder that we're still in an ice age

>>10741066
It's pretty much the definition of cherrypicking.

If we ever regain civilization, "climate change" will become a byword for politically motivated pseudoscience. Lysenko, watch out.

>>10741101
>While change in long-term mean climate will have significance for global food production and may require ongoing adaptation, greater risks to food security may be posed by changes in year-to-year variability and extreme weather events. Historically, many of the largest falls in crop productivity have been attributed to anomalously low precipitation events
>A record crop yield loss of 36 per cent occurred in Italy for corn grown in the Po valley where extremely high temperatures prevailed (Ciais et al. 2005). It is estimated that such summer temperatures in Europe are now 50 per cent more likely to occur as a result of anthropogenic climate change
>As current farming systems are highly adapted to local climate, growing suitable crops and varieties, the definition of what constitutes extreme weather depends on geographical location
>Changes in short-term temperature extremes can be critical, especially if they coincide with key stages of development. Only a few days of extreme temperature (greater that 32°C) at the flowering stage of many crops can drastically reduce yield
>Crop responses to changes in growing conditions can be nonlinear, exhibit threshold responses and are subject to combinations of stress factors that affect their growth, development and eventual yield.
>Ozone is a major secondary air-pollutant, which at current concentrations has been shown to have significant negative impacts on crop yields
>Ozone reduces agricultural yield through several mechanisms...

>>10741145
Ukraine certainly does, that's why it's producing so much food for Russia right now. Too bad climate change actually threatens this.

>>10741161
>>A record crop yield loss of 36 per cent occurred in Italy for corn grown in the Po valley where extremely high temperatures prevailed (Ciais et al. 2005). It is estimated that such summer temperatures in Europe are now 50 per cent more likely to occur as a result of anthropogenic climate change

It's amazing that this counts as science.

>>10740952
Wow, so rude.
>Decarbonization of energy sources will enable decarbonized development.
In theory... in practice they'll just pass on the added costs.
>Inb4 muh scientists are gonna invent carbon free steel and concrete, and carbon free construction equipment
That's a retarded fantasy.
Why not just admit that carbon taxes are your only tool because tackling rampant development (literally the only source of emissions growth) is completely out of the question? You're an even more repulsive kind of denier because you're essentially selling snake oil.

>>10736373
>obvious evidence
There's obvious evidence, but there's also obvious ideological push. More often, the two are mixed thus the evidence can be thrown out the garbage as corrupted.

>>10741165
It's funny how deniers cherry pick the parts they can use for their argument and then shit on the parts that contradict their views

>>10740235
>all the years in the last two decades with melting way below average
>2019 on the way to becoming the worst or second worst year on record
>n-n-nothing is happening 2002 was bad too
Retard

>>10740235
>>10741179

>>10741176
That's the only part that tries to support the idea that the climate is changing significantly and anthopogenically. The rest is about hypothetical repercussions of it.

It's shit because (1) there is no comparison (50% more likely than when?) and (2) it's impossible to make normative statements about the history of the climate from the 50-100 years of accurate, semi-complete data that we have.

>>10739749
science delivers evidence
evidence leads to conclusions
you still have to believe the conclusions or come up with better ones

>>10740089
>You will never force India or China to follow eco standards
the only country that didn‘t agree to them is USA

>>10741193
Why would this paper try to support a notion that's already a given? It's like expecting a paper about the divergent evolution of finches in the Galapagos Archipelago to support the idea that natural selection is the primary mechanism of biological evolution.

>>10741076
i've lived a long time in this location, for over 37 years in fact and the summers are cooler than they used to be. it's obama erra bullshit all over again. it's a tax scam plain and simple and nasa is in on it because they are a government agency that is funded by tax dollars. the irony is it will limit our industries which will reduce how much taxes the government takes it. it's a self defeating scam and its fucking stupid.

>>10740249
weather is complicated. Global temperature increase is easy to follow if you use earth as a blackbody. Energy in = energy out, when energy in increases, energy out will follow, that is only possible with an increase of temperature.

How that increase affects all the codependent subsystems on earth is extremely hard to say even statistcally.

>>10740980
looks like we‘re rather impactful eh? if you have to look at geological scales to compare with the last few decades

>>10740992
why is Africa red in every fucking graphic!?

>>10741229
cause it's covered in the blood of civil wars

>>10741229
Africa's GDP will always go down, no matter what

>>10741208
>My subjective opionion completely invalidates any statistic you could bring up, try again sweetie

>>10741161
thanks for the highlights

>where extremely high temperatures prevailed
why don‘t they just throw in a number, this is retarded

>>10741259
Read the actual paper?

>>10741167
How can someone be so stupid as to point out industrialization exacerbating climate warming before arguing against measures that would discourage further industrialization like carbon taxes? Climate reactionaries like you have no principles. Your only goal is to argue the opposite of whatever non-denialists say.
>you're a denialist
Once again, denialists deny the facts of global warming. Not proposing solutions for one aspect of the problem is not denialism at all, because it doesn't involve denial of facts. I'm not denying that increased industrial activity increases warming, because that would be fucking stupid to deny. You're equivocating and attempting to redefine terms because you don't care about the facts at all, only countering what is said by arguing the opposite.

>>10741229
socioeconomic factors

>>10741229
I wonder why...

>>10741423
>59 average IQ
Common, this can't be real

>>10741366
>measures that would discourage further industrialization like carbon taxes
Politicians point to carbon taxes precisely because they (supposedly) do not discourage further industrialization (eg. they do not affect economic growth). In fact they try to sell them on on the merit that they encourage more industrialization by moving society towards using more and superior forms of energy such as renewable/nuclear.

Politicians are selling taxes on fossil fuels to the public mainly by convincing them that through innovation other sources of energy will eventually become superior anyway (besides saving us from climate change), which I actually doubt is true.

(Also, I thought the term denialist encompassed not only those who deny science but also those who doubt carbon taxes as a solution. Good to see that's not the case at least with some. Anyway, so I turned the word a little to include those who think more industrialization can be part of a solution.)

>>10741003
capital i is just a bit taller than lowercase l.

>>10741439
It is very real anon

>>10741076
>120 years

You fags realize that's basically nothing right? We just came out off mini ice age too.

>>10742120
Here's the big picture.
See that red line going straight up at the end? That's us doing it.

All the CO2 we have emitted hasn't fully impacted yet. It's not like flicking a light switch. And we will keep emitting CO2 and adding even more in the meantime.

Now, that CO2 will increase global temperatures by a couple of degrees on its own, but the real danger is that it will trigger several feedback loops that will push temperatures even higher.

As the ice in the poles melts, there will be less albedo = more heat
As the ocean warms it will absorb less CO2 = more heat
Ocean warming up may cause methane deposits at the trenches to thaw out, causing the ocean to begin emitting large quantities of methane = Much more heat
Increased temperatures may also increase the amount of forest fires = less CO2 absortion by the forests = more heat

Deforestation also increases the amount or methane released into the atmosphere, and reduces the amount of absortion by plant life.

Now it is not really certain that all of this will happen, there is some debate on whether the Clathrate Gun Hypotesis will trigger or not, but almost every scientist out there agrees that we are fucking up with natural cycles that take hundreds of thousands of years to happen and that the consequences will be overall extremely negative for Human life.

>>10742147
can’t wait for Third World to burn and die out

>>10742149
1. That map is one projection of many, and doesn't take into account the clathrate gun hypothesis, for instance.
See pic.

2. It will assfuck YOU regardless, you retarded edgelord.

All those thirdworlders will flood North America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Argentina, Korea, Russia, etc. Lowering wages and living conditions.
You think they will just roll up and die?

Large, powerful countries like India or China won't sit back and get assfucked, there will be wars for resources and for control of better land.

3. See those big red spots in Brazil, India? Those are some of the prime agricultural exporting regions in the world. Food prices will skyrocket.

4. New diseases will spread easily thanks to vectors like mosquitoes or rats. Wouldn't surprise me if diseases like chikungunya, ebola, dengue, malaria, and so on make return to America, Europe, or elsewhere.

Only the super rich will be completely insulated from climate change. For everybody else it will be negative. Particularly for some NEET fuck that thinks he has nothing to lose. You will learn suffering.

>>10742149
You mean pick up and move to the first world? Because that’s what’s going to happen.

Have fun!

>>10742171
>>10742182
>Ecofreak doomcultists in charge of understanding what armed Border Guard is

>>10742171
>You think they will just roll up and die?
yup pretty much so, if they try to come in millions they will be shot eventually

>>10742188
>>10742189
India and China outspend most of Eurocuck little states militarily and have nuclear weapons. It will be armies knocking the door not just refugees.

As for the USA it is red on the chart and will be affected by climate change.

>>10742202
India and Pakistan will go to war against each other.Ironically the little cold winter could lower temperatures a bit.
USA will be able to sfford buying food for increased prices, paying in weapons and resources, plus I am sure they will innovate with gmo’s and vertical farming

>>10741179
nice strawman bro
I never claimed there wasn't a trend, just that the graph the other dude posted doesn't show it, so it's not very informative

>>10742188
>Muh border guards

The most fortified borders in history always fail to prevent people entering and leaving, and none have ever had to prevent penetration on such a scale.
They also don’t work against tanks driving through the wall.

>>10741283
can‘t be bothered, I rather do physics

>>10741439
i think this is outdated, the lowest country is at about 65 if i remember that correctly. Still considered retarded in the west, tho

>>10741445
>through innovation other sources of energy will eventually become superior
not depending on resources for energy until the sun explodes is superior.

>>10742215
Your post implies otherwise. Which means you are dishonest as opposed to simply confused. That's even worse.

>>10736373

>>10742218
>The most fortified borders in history always fail to prevent people entering and leaving, and none have ever had to prevent penetration on such a scale.
They also don’t work against tanks driving through the wall.

Nope.
I lived under Soviets and much smaller walls prevented people moving abroad.
Also if a refugee can drive a tank from India to Poland that would be quite a feat, however I doubt it would stand a chance against any army with close supply chain.

>>10742268
>everything I disagree with must be a spambot
Do you honestly believe this?

>>10742223
>t. fraud who doesn't care about what's true at all

>>10735477
>seals will be tamed in your lifetime

>>10735477
It will be mostly under water

>>10735446
thats gonna happen long after I die so its not my problem

>>10735436

Professor, Professor! I didn't understand one part of this.
What happens if I don't give a fuck and I actually wish mankind was gone from the planet because we are a cancer of a species?

>>10743211
all species are cancer, you belong to this tumour.

>>10743258
I am a human so of course I belong to it, but I don't agree all species are cancer.
Any species with a sufficiently developed nervous system to feel pain should stop existing, since this world is a cruel joke to them.
But simpler species that just float around not caring and not feeling any discomfort, much like a machine, are not really suffering in any real sense. I don't mind those.

>>10743297
You won't be able to "mind" about anything when you don't exist anymore.

>>10741912
you’re a fuckinf liar

>>10741439
Nah, the dude who made this data literally faked it for African countries

>>10740235
That's the typical trick these faggots do.
"The second hottest day since 200x" or whatever. So it was hot in 200x too? What's the problem then.

>>10740478
That was a movie though. And it was 2004.

>>10745102

>>10735436
I saw this exact thread on /pol/.
>>10735451
Don't you think it's a little strange you are classing everyone who questions the anthropogenic climate change narrative into the same defective group, as a way to blindly dismiss them?
I've seen some good threads on this subject here recently where it wasn't so one sided. Once all the oil companies merged in the 90s they started pumping money into AGW, General Electric even made a website about it back then.

World War III is a much more realistic threat than humanity dying from overheating the earth from farting and driving cars.

>>10745083
Don't all of these 'infographics' originate on /pol/?
I don't even want to comment on the data but a lot of times even the choice of colors is 100% autism.

>>10745118
>/pol/
They are mostly scientists so I am not surprised.
(This thread should be deleted btw)

if global warming is real, why can't i get laid

>>10736373
>obvious evidence
If it were obvious there wouldn't need to be a coordinated effort to promote the theory and spam the graphs every day.
Graphs aren't obvious evidence, they are graphs.
Obvious evidence would be a home built controlled experiment in which you could replicate radiative forcing through a controlled environment at 0.003% co2 vs a control at 0.000 co2 using ultraviolet light.
So far, though it's been attempted, it's never been done successfully.

A home experiment that is a proof-of-concept is "obvious evidence." When you can't provide that and instead spam hockey stick graphs as proof it gets annoying and tiresome.

>>10735436
>greenland
not green

>>10745126
have you tried building muscle

>>10740998
You mean like Vanuatu disappearing?

>>10745138
no can't workout, it is too hot, i am sweating profusely

>>10740998
Guarantee you all the conservatives are going to be blaming God, all the leftists will be blaming Capitalism/Imperialism/Europe, and even at that point, we wont get anything done even at that point because the 10 liberals that actually acknowledge that it's caused by human activities and not "capitalism" or "god" will be drowned out by all the leftists and conservatives.

>>10741179
> 2017 & 2018 have average melt seasons and above average snow seasons
> largest glacier is rapidly rebounding https://watchers.news/2019/06/18/jakobshavn-glacier-growing-greenland/
> 1 week slightly out of the ordinary melt spike happens
> AAAAAHHHH we're all going to die!
kys

>>10742268
Yeah, but there are actually more SJWs on here than poltards, and "have sex" poster are even worse and more prolific than IQ posters and climate chamge denialists.

>>10745176
"have sex" is the latest /tv/ or /v/ meme or wherever the fuck it comes from and is on every board now

>>10745167
>the conservatives are going to be blaming God
lmao are you fucking retarded? Did your mother have an abortion but stopped part-way?

What they'll actually do is blame gays, liberals, and the irreligious because they'll think that God is punishing everybody for their behavior, as they do with other natural disasters.

>>10735436
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>>10740472
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>>10742147
Daily reminder that only measurement that matters is the snow mass balance.
Daily reminder that this has been above normal for two years in a row and no msm dweep has reported on it.

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>>10745199
>>10745199
It's not looking as good this year but these MSM articles that OP shares is nothing but propaganda.
I bet we wont beat the melt record year of 2012.

But if we would this would bring the total mass of the greenland sheet back to the same level as in 2016 and we wouldnt here the end of it.

>>10740566
Sure. Translates as if you select your conditions carefully you can prove anything.

>>10741439
Agreed. Why for instance should Argentina and Bhutan differ so much from its neighbours?

>>10741184
Yet no city been flooded yet? Seems legit.

>>10739994
>all known natural events
No it's not you absolute retard. A single release of methane could fucking kill is in ten years. A big volcanic eruption, or a gas releasing earthquake, or any manner of natural phenomenon could dwarf our .001% of .003% of the co2's potion in our atmosphere contribution.
We can't even identify all natural greenhouse release in the first place, not even close, so your conclusion is like jumping to "it's aliens!" every time you see a UFO.
>>10741217
>weather is complicated
Fuck off.
>global temperature increase is easy to follow
No it's not, there are still admittedly huge sections of the earth that remain unmeasured to this day.
>energy in = energy out
co2 is .003% of the atmosphere.
Show a home experiment in which radiative forcing from ultraviolet light can be measured from three thousandths of a percent vs zero thousandths of a percent. Also do one at 0.0026%, for comparison to earth's atmosphere without any human contribution.
Get fucked. Green Energy is a Snake Oil racket.

>>10745280
Once the prediction is wrong, it's not falsified, it's moved back and the push for a world regulatory body beyond the UN and IMF continues.

>>10741184
>New shipping routes opened.
Based

>>10741423
>>10745267
Environmental conditions like income, literacy and nutrition explain all IQ differences.

Africa has stunted IQs due to poor nutrition.

>>10745410
...low literacy...

>>10745186
What's with the hostility low iq poster? Why are you on a "science" board if you're not good at math or science?

>>10745413
...and in general an overall lower level of development

tl;dr - Colonialism and the Cold War assfucked Africa and it's not a meme

Ok I'll pretend to believe in global warming for a second. Now you show my this picture, that global warming is creating a shallow pool to the dogs plays that otherwise would be freezing in hard ice? Seems like an overall improvment.

>>10745450
I see you've never had to deal with a freezing lake of icewater before

>>10745421
That was just banter, but really your point was wrong, for the reason that I said.

>>10745423
Yes, africa was a vibrant continent in 1800.
Its all wypipo's fault.

Greenland is melting slowly and wont affect sea levels in europe all that much, (bigger problem for pacific nations and california faggots.
Antartica is cold as shit and colder than normal.
Trees are growing faster than ever.
Hurricanes are not on the rise.

Anthropogenic warming is most likely saving us from a real catastrophe. Ice age.
Without a bit of global warming, this cycle of ultra low solar activity would have probably started the accumulation of an ice sheet on canada again.
Then we would have been really fucked.
Source: my ass
But seriously it's been snowing like mental.
Just snowed in Colorado yesterday:
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/summer-snow-where-were-seeing-the-highest-snowfall-estimates-in-colorado

This is because the jet streams are lumpy and are allowing bursts of cold arctic wind to travel deep inland.

Why are the jet streams lumpy? Solar minimum.
Why are there noctilucent clouds over the northern hemisphere?
Solar minimum.
Do these clouds reflect sunlight like normal clouds?
You bet dummy.
Are these effects accurately modeled by super intelligent climate scientist who know it all.
Off course not, moron. Everyone is just pulling shit out of their ass and you just eat it all up.

If global temperature was 1.5 degrees lower right now these kind of things would be even more extreme, there would be larger parts of the northern hemisphere that would still have snow by the time winter arrives and you'd just see snow accumulate, season after season.
Reflecting more and more light and plunging the globe into an ice age, which would only be able to accommodate a couple of hundred million people.

Thank god for CO2 that makes our crops grow faster and is out last line of defense against the ice age that should be coming.

Thank god for global warming.
You idiots are trying to ruin it all.
Utter retards.

>>10745465
Ethiopia is one of the oldest civilizations on Earth while wypipo were living in mud huts, so I don't see your point.

>>10745410
>Environmental conditions like income, literacy and nutrition explain all IQ differences.
How do you know you are not mixing cause and effect?

>>10735436
>Global warming

Yet the the summer has been very bad for the last few years where I live. Do globalwarmers really think we are that stupid?

Climate change was pretty obvious even just 2 years ago in Washington, it's especially strange this year. It snowed much later than usual earlier in the year, and now it's summer and we still have spring weather.

>>10745902
Because we know low nutrition stuns mental ability.

>>10735436
Ice melts because it's summer, retard.

>>10745196
Why is this statistic more important than all of the ones you replied to and any that could potentially be posted?

>>10747877
Because most are about greenland melt rate and dont take into account the snowfall.
However if you just get higher melt but even higher snowfall, you dont really have a melting ice cap do you?

>>10747877
>Why is this statistic more important than all of the ones you replied to and any that could potentially be posted?

Because denialists will twist logic and try to grasp at any straw that supports their viewpoint, often cherrypicking and stealing graphs from actual scientists that support AGW, taking them out of context.

>>10748123
http://sciencenordic.com/how-greenland-ice-sheet-fared-2018
>It is likely that the relatively high end of season SMB will mean a zero or close-to-zero total mass budget this year, as last year.

>The period 2003-2011 has seen ice sheet losses on Greenland averaging 234bn tonnes each year. The neutral mass change in the last two years does not – and cannot – begin to compensate for these losses. The comparison here does show that in any given year, the mass budget of the ice sheet is highly dependent on regional climate variability and specific weather patterns

>>10748169
I dont deny global warming.
I dont deny that greenland is melting.
I'm just pointing out that the last two years at least the melt has stopped.
Cataclysm is moving along very very slowly.
234bn tonnes / year is VERY VERY slowly!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland_ice_sheet
"Analysis of gravity data from GRACE satellites indicates that the Greenland ice sheet lost approximately 2900 Gt (0.1% of its total mass) between March 2002 and September 2012."

So 1/1000th in 11 summers and 10 winters (conveniently 1 summer more than a winter to pump up their rookie numbers and to try and put fear into the naive masses)

So at this rate it will take 11000 years to melt it completely (likely more due to their manipulation tactic). And yeah yeah it will likely accelerate, but whatever we're nowhere near what I would call 'fast' melt. Call me when we hit 3000 bn tonnes / year.
I for one take greenland melting very very slowly over an ice age, which we would have likely entered by now without anthropogenic forcing.
Thank god, I'm not going to experience an ice age.
Thank god for CO2.
I like it, the plants like it, what is not to like?

>>10748276
>I for one take greenland melting very very slowly over an ice age, which we would have likely entered by now without anthropogenic forcing.
Based on Milankovitch Cycles there would have been another Ice Age but not until at least 12,000 years into the future. This is a non-issue, the idea that CO2 pollution irrevocably fucking up the planet saved us from freezing is a shitty cope promoted by those who wish to keep fucking up things.

http://clivebest.com/blog/?p=7344

>I like it, the plants like it, what is not to like?
It is accelerating, and it may accelerate even faster. Pray that the clathrate gun hypotesis is not true.

There is too much that we do not understand about climate.

>>10746938
It has been obvious since 2011 for anyone with a keen eye. My father is a small time farmer and according to him, 2011 is when weather patterns started being abnormal in perpetuity.

Yeah. No such thing as global warming.
Or if there is, it's not anthropogenic.
Or if it is, we can fix it before it's too late.
Or if we can't, the new climate will be better for the world anyway.
Or if it isn't, we can build domes over cities and regulate the temperature inside.
etc...
showyourstripes.info

>>10748276
>I dont deny that greenland is melting.
>I'm just pointing out that the last two years at least the melt has stopped.

>>10740472
>>10740998
Or they'll cheer on the fact that the most productive cities in the country are being drowned.

>>10749022
>productive
money changers isn't production, anon

>>10735436
>euronews.com
euro news is trash tier, literal eu bbc

>>10745410
How do you explain north korea and argentina?

>>10749125
not him but explain what?

>>10735446
Have a wank

>>10749125
not him but explain what?

argentina is pretty developed and green on the map. (are you thinking of venezuela?)

north korea is a hellhole and i don't think any iq tests there would be reliable anon.

>>10749037
It's real if you believe in it.