/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10730365
Haven't seen the video but I'm guessing you use them to insult certain groups.
If so present them as facts instead to not hurt the dumb crackers feelings

>>10730366
You can visit this board all you want, but you'll still be a dumb nigger

>>10730365
>school is inclusive
>student acts like a fedora-tipping cunt
What did the teacher do wrong?

>>10730365
wow, the teacher handled that kid really well. not too disciplinary but very stern at the same time. the kid was trolling him HARD (what a tool) and he managed to not get thrown off at all or lose face on hidden camera (i know plenty of male teachers who would be like "alright, alright, just between you and me, there are just two, just play along")

anyhow pic related is genetically male but has androgen insensitivity disorder, so clearly troll-zoomer is fuzzy on the science

who was in the wrong here

>>10730365
In all fairness, gender is a social construct - biologically there are two sexes for sure

unironically

>>>r/jordanpeterson

also, what evidence do you have he was a humanities teacher?

none?

>>10730365
Gender and sex are two different things. They are forcing you to tap out on this technicallity.

>>10730410
>gender is a social construct
Gender is a social construct that stems from biology. Men are physically bigger, so hunting is associated with the male gender which is derived from male sexual dimorphism.

>>10730372
>>10730410
>>10730415
>reddit spacing
>pseudoscientific view of gender
dilate

>>10730365
I mean it's clear that in most cases, there are two sexes, but what you're arguing is that there are only two corresponding genders (the expression and self realization of masculine identity traits and feminine identity traits). I get that it's the easier, more cynical, more "hurr take that libs" position to say that there are only two genders, but in truth this is an argument about sociology, not biology. Even as a hard scientist/engineer, you have to realize that these things aren't so easily solved through a biological argument because not everything we do is reducible to basic biology. It's as irresponsible as saying we're only chemical reactions, because that sort of misses the point of the systems that govern thought.

>>10730416
>Gender and sex are two different things.
Gender is derived from sex though. Women are biologically hardwired to be more nurturing, which is why they tend to pursue careers in primary education and nursing.

>>10730417
Indeed, my understanding is that it includes behaviours which may or may not be associated with physical characteristics

>>10730401
penises are a social construct

>>10730417
As a social construct, it isn't really something that comes from biology directly, but it's a part of how people interact together. People keep giving out simple examples about MEN BIG, WOMEN SMALL, but the fact is that we don't really live in that sort of society anymore. It's based on specialized work, on complex progression of different stages of maturity throughout ones life, etc. That means something like sexuality and gender have a lot more room to develop in society at large since life is no longer really like those base directives. This is why socialization is a big topic.

>>10730423
'biologically hardwired' hard to differentiate this from socialisation. Even more shaky ground when you use biology as explaining a tendency to be employed in education etc

>>10730421
>ree reddit spacing
>ree dilate
>>>/pol/

>>10730422
>not everything we do is reducible to basic biology
It can be, but Boasian Anthropology has infected the social sciences like a virus. It's taboo to acknowledge biological differences between different races, for example. You'll probably say "well, race is a social construct," which may be true, but there are undeniable genetic factors especially in terms of susceptibility to different illnesses for example.

>>10730401
Facts

>>10730365
>STAND STILL, LADDIE

>>10730431
t. tranny

>>10730428
>MEN BIG, WOMEN SMALL
>we don't really live in that sort of society anymore
I mean, come on. Just look at male/female athletic divide. Literally nobody watches women's sports like the WNBA because they simply cannot compete with the physical prowess of men.

>>10730435
Race really refers to a collection of attributes - perhaps its the fact that we arbitrarily label that as race X etc which is the construction part - it's that choice which is socially constructed perhaps

>>10730435
>It's taboo to acknowledge biological differences between different races
To what capacity? I believe you're probably referring to something like IQ differences, which is its own can of worms, but I have a strong feeling you and I will disagree to hell about the causes.
>undeniable genetic factors especially in terms of susceptibility to different illnesses for example.
nobody denies this, but that informs a relationship with your doctor more than your place in society. I know you'll probably fire back with something like "oh, so you're saying racial differences end in the head?" My point is that even as we look at IQ, IQ is the story about people, on average, aren't very different when it comes to base intelligence. The differences among races have some clear biological lines like skin color, risk for disease, etc., but it's easy to see within, say, your major, people who have specific (usually similar to yourself) life experiences and socialization. I went to a pretty diverse school in undergrad, and while they weren't as represented, black people, latino people, etc., generally performed as well as an average to above average math student would in my program. This to me, suggests harder evidence not that biology doesn't matter, but that biology is far from being the deciding factor, and that socialization and life experiences are what more directly impact one's path in life.

>>10730428
it also ignores the capacity for humans to alter such biological differences

>there are no physical differences betw-
https://youtu.be/sHqiG_hrbsc

>>10730452
It's an interesting point. I don't know why watching women's sports is so uninteresting, perhaps cause i'm a guy. Socialisation plays a role in sports too though and I would imagine women are not interested in sports not due to a biological reason right?

>>10730458
>biology is far from being the deciding factor
>socialization and life experiences are what more directly impact one's path in life
Do you think biology might have an influence on socialization and life experiences? For example, what are some of the differences you might see in a predominantly African society versus a Japanese society?

>>10730478
Not OP but I was having this conversation today with a linguist on language differences between different races due to physical differences but couldn't find any. One would expect language would have a role in social development - i.e the lack of the first person singular in Japanese (only being created in the early Modern period). But even so geography, environment, pure chance etc would play a role.

>>10730369
I'm asian you fucking breadslice

>>10730401
Durham University is wrong, because Durham University is a fucking shithole that is always wrong. Actual content is irrelevant.

>>10730493
someone was rejected from Durham

>>10730487
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAoNhacojmM
Prof. Eugene Valberg would probably disagree with that linguist.

>>10730487

oh shit I lied - *they lack a personal pronoun in general speech.

>>10730365
Tell him that they clamped his umbilical cord.

>>10730423
>Gender is derived from sex though
Gender is derived from sex in your society. There are other societies where the idea of "there are two genders and those genders are derived from two sexes" is not accepted. And we will never be able to empirically prove that we are right or they are wrong or vice versa, so it's hard to conclude that it isn't a culture specific social construct.

>>10730496
No, I would never willingly attend an English university in the first place so I would never apply to one in the first place.

>>10730504
>There are other societies where the idea of
Name them.

Gender is a Kinsey/Tavistock social engineering tool. It was created to separate behavioral identity from physical identity.

Suddenly we have tomboys being "oh no, really male, when do we start transitioning?!" and all the rest of it. The trans agenda is retarded and pure evil.

>>10730511
>Name them.
I'm just going to Google "third gender" and link the first result I get.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender

>>10730497
>WAoNhacojmM
He seems to be basing his analysis only on Bantu as representative of the 'African Mind'

>Africans have no words therefore no notions for precise or abstract concepts from African language
>wat

>>10730504
I would say that Western Culture is by far the greatest culture the world has seen, and the creation myth of Genesis establishes the dichotomy between men and women pretty obviously. Nothing in between.

Inferior societies and cultures who don't accept that the two genders are derived from the two sexes shouldn't matter.

>>10730478
>For example, what are some of the differences you might see in a predominantly African society versus a Japanese society?
What "biological differences" are we talking about? At this point, I believe you're using biological difference as a stand in mostly for IQ. Second, "African society" can possibly refer to an entire continent of different communities that all grew at different rates vs. a homogenous set of people on a small island (excluding Okinawa) who decided they shared a common destiny and identity. Finally, it's hard to address a "what if" since the way they interacted with other world powers throughout history was wildly different and left dramatically different effects upon the respective "communities."

This idea of nation or identity or whatever is only something you can really interject into history after the fact or looking back at it; the three Korean kingdoms in pre modern times definitely didn't think of themselves as Korean, and they regularly fought each other as foreign nations and ethnic peoples. Racial nationalist identities are something that act on history after it's happened and claim it as always having been there, though any historian worth their salt disagrees with the claim.

>>10730520
Maybe calling it the "Sub-Saharan African Mind" would be more apt.

>>10730511
I'm for gender as a social construction but I do think that gender dysmorphia comes from a misunderstanding of the separation between sex and gender. "I was born a man but I like to play with ponies - oh I must be a girl then."
Ideally there would be no 'boys things' or 'girls things' just 'things'. The 'trans agenda' as you call it comes from conflating sex and gender - biology with behaviour

>>10730531
Doesn't explain the people that didn't play with ponies but still ended up trans. Doesn't explain the people who desire the physical attributes of the other sex without regard to ponies. Doesn't explain the existence of trans people in other cultures with less rigid gender norms.

>>10730524
>Finally, it's hard to address a "what if" since the way they interacted with other world powers throughout history was wildly different and left dramatically different effects upon the respective "communities."
This is where your entire argument starts to fall apart. The "world powers" you're referring to all came from Europe. Why was Europe able to create world powers, but not Asia or Africa?

>>10730524
>homogenous
nikkei, ainu etc

>>10730531
>"I was born a man but I like to play with ponies - oh I must be a girl then."
It's really not that obtuse. That example is a very simplified toy case (though a bad one) to try and explain that the initial stages of actually understanding one's gender identity come from questioning (or reaffirming) one's performance of gender norms. It's totally fine to like "girl things" yet still feel strongly like you are a guy, but people are now comfortably admitting if this to being the first step to suspecting that they identify more as a woman than as a man. Obviously, it's more complicated, and nothing so superficial can really "decide" for you, but that's why you generally have to take people on faith when they say it, because as fucking stupid as teenagers are, they at the very least spend a ridiculous amount of time deliberating on what type of person they are. The sort of conflating of language you're referring to isn't some explicit agenda as much as it's a simplification / attempt to meet non trans people where they are in order to try and explain the motivation to being identifying as trans in the first place. Sort of how people said "you're born gay" to try and explain that you don't have control on whether you are gay or not, but really it's more like "sexuality is a complex situation informed by my experiences, my biology, and my self reflection, but that doesn't mean I was born with it innately. It took time to develop and understand, but it's not an on off button I can switch." After all, if you were gay and saw what shit happened to you when you were gay (people calling you fag, etc etc), wouldn't you just wanna stop being it immediately?

>>10730534
Of course it is more than just ponies but everything attached to the nuance of the term 'girl' or 'boy'. People may desire other physical attributes and that does not make them trans. Surely if they identify with being the opposite sex (which they conflate with gender) then that would be enough?

>>10730490
Even worse, you fucking insect.

>>10730519
I only skimmed the first few sentences, but I imagine these other genders aren't necessarily tied to biological sex.

>>10730531
Gender both is and is not a social construction. Across cultures there are clear hard behavioral biases, which are sex based, but there's a bit of high level malleability. As in put a kid in a dress in the US and suddenly you have to consider whether he'll need to have his balls cut off, in Scotland etc it's merely a man wearing traditional garb. Stockings were worn by men in Germany and so on.

Also western cultures are artificially over gendered to a point of braindead retardation. That's why I didn't bother to learn gendered languages like Spanish or French, it has unnecessary garbage encoded into it.

The hard fact is that you cannot become the other sex. Leave kids alone, they'll figure their shit out. The possibility of bodily mutilation shouldn't be there or socially accepted. There is a trans agenda, it needs to be destroyed completely. Trannies are victims, not visionaries.

>>10730535
>Why was Europe able to create world powers, but not Asia or Africa?
Asia *did* create a world power..
They created multiple world powers across pre modern and modern civilization, and China is a world power now. The difference between these two societies comes from the isolationist practices that East Asia enacted despite the Europeans trying to open trading borders because they wanted access to other goods. Did you never learn about the Silk Road? The point is that the "world powers" I was referring to were more about how their open trade policies led to colonial and imperialist rules. East Asia took an isolationist stance which guarded them from the protectorate game from the outside (though internally, countries like Japan performed the same behavior with Korea), while the rest of the world openly traded with them. That's not a feat of "domination" or "superiority" of European powers; it's a consequence of historical developments and trade interests that led to massive wars and the exploitation of resources into those wars. WWI is all about this.
As for Africa, I don't have enough background knowledge to argue for or against their case.

>>10730559
>China is a world power now
Because of Western technological achievement

>>10730559
>As for Africa, I don't have enough background knowledge to argue for or against their case.
Just read Hear of Darkness. There is absolutely nothing worthwhile in the entirety of that godforsaken continent.

God, being a reactionary is such an easy racket. All you need to do is be a douchebag IRL.

>>10730569
... said the tranny after losing the argument. (S)he had no arguments or time since the gaping wound needed dilation

>>10730574
*Shudder*

>>10730544
I wasn't claiming it to be an agenda, but I am asserting that this conflation comes out of assuming behaviour to follow biology. At which point I wonder if this conflation is something that came out of Western (broadly) society. There is an overall notion that how one acts directly pertains to who one is - 'identity' if you will. Same applies to social media. My feeling is that in other cultures there is a clearer distinction between self and role that has been eroded away. I'd be curious to learn about the idea of 'transgender' in other societies which I know little about.
What I am also curious about is what is it that a transgender person wants? Do they wish to be seen externally as the opposite sex? Is it for certain physical attributes? Is it a subjective feeling of being the other sex? I suspect the reasons are various.
I agree that teenagers can be stupid and a certain sensitivity is needed with younger people in the process of deliberating who they are though.

>>10730566
China (and India) were world powers much before today. They are just taking the places that they had before.

>>10730552
t.

>>10730586
India isn't becoming anything near a superpower, not in the sense China is.

>>10730586
>They are just taking the places that they had before.
Again, because of Western tech.

>>10730566
Han Dynasty China was possible the world's most advanced country its time

>>10730600
That's a fallacious argument, you could claim that fucking central africa was the most advanced place in 100 000 B.C., although that does not necessarily mean that central africa has the potential to be the most advanced place today.

>>10730603
Oh well if that is the condition then China certainly has the potential

>>10730609
I definitely agree. I suppose it will all depend on how gracefully they transition to a free society (if they even do).

>>10730594
What is it that colonial weapons used?
Oh yeah, gunpowder

>>10730372
Jamie Curtis is not intersex, that's a preinternet rumor.

>>10730612
>free society
Again, a Western idea

>>10730594
>>10730615
These are the stupidest conversations. A lot of things came from a lot of places. A lot of societies have been destroyed over time and net lost technology.

Shut the fuck up.

>>10730615
>muh four great inventions

>>10730612
Doubtful, they're doing too well with the current system correlated with their success

>>10730619
God its always a Western/Eastern dichotomy

>>10730618
There's no doubt that modern civilization is a western concept, just like ancient civilization was a middle eastern concept.

>>10730624
Right but as soon as economic growths starts lagging, things will get complicated. It seems that they're heading into a dystopian mass surveillance "soft totalitarianism", and I really doubt that it's sustainable and would allow for technological and economic innovation.

>>10730617
she is tho. nobody has any proof otherwise, and it's a pretty easy thing to disprove, so the logical conclusion is that she is an AIS subject

>>10730627
Yeah because those are the only two functioning societies. There's no Western/African dichotomy for a reason.

>>10730634
teehee

>>10730365
Deadbeat student acts like a nigger and is surprised when he's kicked out.
Back in my day we'd get kicked out for wearing our fucking hoods. This generation is so thin-skinned, it's incredible.

>>10730634
no lol, it's because it's a well documented phenomenon called occidentalism and orientalism. The idea was the occidental was the familiar while the oriental was the unfamiliar (it included the Middle East and South Asia, not just china, Japan, Korea, etc.). The Eastern western dichotomy is more an oversimplification of history because it is unironically a meme among those who aren't familiar with academic discourse for history. What did I expect, it's /sci/ of all places.

>>10730656
does it feel bad to you guys when being a philosophyfag means you need to argue about east vs. wat and can’t just perform an experiment to settle the disagreement?

>>10730675
*west instead of “wat”

>>10730675
Yeah but these social lenses impact on how experiments are performed and what conclusions are reached.

US primatology finds that chimpanzees are inherently competitive

Japanese primatology finds chimpanzees as inherently cooperative

>>10730675
I'm not a philosophyfag. I'm a math grad.
>can’t just perform an experiment to settle the disagreement
Economics is the poster child about how these systems are complex enough that experimental results tell us something incredibly muddied and not too insightful. Either way, you can't just "experimentally gauge" something like perspectives on writing. This is speak undergrad stem chuunibyou bullshit. You cannot probe into such systems because they don't follow hard laws nor are they mechanistic like nature is. Also
>means you need to argue about east vs. wat
This whole idea of "east vs west" is exactly what the occidental/oriental divide is supposed to highlight; the fact that we pit these two sort of ambiguous entities in a dichotomy is more academic bias from older times than it is actual tangible differences. Again, oriental referred to east, south, mid, etc. asia.

>>10730682
shut the fuck up retard

>>10730365
gender doesn't exist, there is only sex

>>10730682
What about Japanese primatology done in the US?

Yeah, didn't control for the geomagnetic field and Schumann resonances, now did ya? How do you like me now?

>>10730684
>chuunibyou bullshit.
literally what?
god help me if this is an anime reference

>>10730697
It's 4chan bullshit. You've never heard the word chuuni? You actually are new as fuck/summerfag.

>>10730695
Very interesting question! My understanding from a PhD student at my uni is that they originally took half of the monkeys from Arashiyama in Kyoto (as the troop was getting too large) and sent them to a sanctuary in Texas. Yet they reached the opposite conclusions on the same troop of monkeys

>>10730705
Source: https://www.sunypress.edu/p-1128-the-monkeys-of-arashiyama.aspx

>>10730710
Could well be geomagnetic field or some more local factor. Hence, there will always be East and West.

>>10730372
>has androgen insensitivity disorder
I'm on my laptop sadly so I don't have the reaction image of
>WELL IF THERE ARE 2 GENDERS THEN HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN BIRTH DEFECTS

>>10730712

>>10730716
High quality legitimacy.
Low quality response.

>>10730504
Yes, in much the same way that we'll never prove that sacrificing children to the sun god isn't beneficial.
But maybe we can just leave retarded tribal religions at just that: Retarded tribal religions

>>10730719
>>10730721
shitposting

abandonthread

>>10730365
Gender is cultural, as in not science.

You’re a moron.

>>10730477
It's boring because women's sports is men's sports slowed down to 0.75x speed. People who do watch are usually there just to see the pretty girls. To wit, consider gymnastics. Not how women's meets get tons of onlookers and attention while the men's may as well be chopped liver. Now go watch some videos comparing the two. The athleticism, conditioning, and otherworldly body contortions of the men compared to the best women is like a silverback gorilla vs. a penguin.
>>10730490
>>>r/asianmasculinity
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>>10730727
Gender has become the nom du jour for "personality". The whole discussion around it distills down to that fact, the people arguing about it just haven't figured it out yet. So if somebody claims "non-binary demi-sexual otherkin" as their "gender", hey that's cool li'l buddy, I can work with you while knowing the deeper truth behind the trendy buzzwords.

>>10730452
We've already progressed to the point where actually doing physical work makes you some kind of second class citizen socially. Physical fitness has become an aesthetic rather than having any function.

>>10730759
>doing physical work makes you some kind of second class citizen socially
lol nice cope, weenie

>>10730569
dilate

>>10730371
>>10730372
>>10730410
>>10730422
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>>10730460
>>10730504
>>10730727
If it's "just a social construct", why do people get so mad and work so hard to shut up others who disagree?

>>10730788
It's unironically true. It's almost impossible to be a member of the upper class in western society with physically demanding job (no chasing a ball isn't a job)

Since when are there so many bootlegging faggots on this board who defend leftist bullshit? I'm no /pol/fag, and sure the student is a cunt, but he's right: there are two genders. Gender and sex have always been synonymous in general discussion until maybe 6 years ago. He's right in pointing out that any extension past two genders is a matter of identification, not gender.

>>10730808
When speaking with a social scientist gender will never equal sex. When speaking to your pastor gender will always equal sex. Language has different meanings depending on who is using it. It's not a difficult concept.

>>10730806
Why would you want to be part of the upper class? You don't learn how to create anything of value.

>>10730814
The great question of humanity, can money buy happiness? Maybe not but everyone agrees it's a whole lot better to be rich and miserable than poor and miserable.

>>10730811
>When speaking with a social scientist gender will never equal sex
This never used to be the case until Boasian anthropology infected academia like a virus.

>>10730817
Yes the social sciences were very different in the 19th century. I'm sure convincing you there's a good reason for this is completely impossible so I won't even try.

>>10730816
lol who said anything about happiness? You're always gonna be disappointed if that's your endgame.

>>10730820
>I'm sure convincing you there's a good reason for this is completely impossible so I won't even try.
What's the good reason?

>>10730814
>Why would you want to be part of the upper class? You don't learn how to create anything of value.
How is the upper class unique in this regard?

>>10730808
>Gender and sex have always been synonymous in general discussion until maybe 6 years ago.
"no"
http://www.sojourngsd.org/blog/sixgenders

>>10730828
The upper class doesn't know how to work with its own hands

>>10730811
>When speaking with a social scientist gender will never equal sex. When speaking to your pastor gender will always equal sex. Language has different meanings depending on who is using it. It's not a difficult concept.
Then saying "there are only two genders" is a non-issue since it is understood one is not using the word as social science jargon.

>>10730823
I doubt it's right but most people prefer being rich and disappointed than poor and disappointed

>>10730827
Either it's a vast Jewish conspiracy in academia to destroy the white race through lies, or it provides explanations that allow for a better understanding of human social activity. I'd say they're about equally likely.

>>10730865
Or maybe it isn't a conspiracy and doesn't explain much of anything but is merely emergent dogma in a positive feedback loop.

>>10730870
A loop imitated and selectively biased by Jews, who control academia and the media.

>>10730870
Well start writing papers that provide more accurate explanations and predictions utilizing your hypothesis. I'm not big on social sciences so I won't pretend like you're just instantly wrong but it definitely differs from consensus at the moment so go get em tiger.

>>10730874
You don't have to be a baker to know the bread is stale.

>>10730861
If you're talking with your fellow conservative friends absolutely, in an academic context like the video probably not.

>>10730875
Well convincing me isn't going to change anything, if you're right getting published shouldn't be hard.

>>10730875
You don't have to be a doctor to know not to clamp the umbilical cord early. Could it be that doctors have the common sense trained right out of them?

Could it be that this is the role of modern... education? To, dare I say, brainwash and control?

>>10730886
If you could convince as many young people of this as possible that would be great. My field is kind of saturated so that would really help me out.

>>10730890
This gets into importing of intelligence and the brain drain, which is beyond the scope I care to talk about. Beyond to say, we aren't saturating our own institutions of higher learning because of more than just local economics.

Now the internet has provided most any book ever written, digitized, for free. Which is why they're moving to sterilize, dumb down, and or kill us all. It's always the same logic.
Contain->quantify->control

Believe it or not, that's how it's happening. Time to start thinking about something bigger than yourself.

>>10730899
hey as long as I'm making 300k at 30 I really don't care so please weed out the competition

>>10730905
And so it begins to end. Oh, the relief.

>>10730447
Vall Halla is actually a good game tho.

>>10730800
Being a social construct isn't a "just" type of deal. Social construction doesn't imply some artifice. The whole idea is that social construction is both a lens we use to look at the people around us and an identity we use to tell people about ourselves. When people point out "it's a social construct," what they mean to say is that such a subject/object is something that can't really be understood through some deterministic, mechanistic, mathematical method (i.e. biological mechanisms alone, physics, formulae, etc). Rather, it's a complicated phenomenon shaped by years of historical context, by the community it appears in and their situation, by sociopolitical factors, etc. It's very much "real," and it takes a lot of background to understand, which is why it is in fact a humanity worth studying. The whole "working hard to shut people up" is a consequence of young people seeing those on the other side do more than disagree; they deny the actual existence of such things, they mock and make fun of them, and they label them by hyperbole. It doesn't take a genius to see the motivation to be more than a little abrasive when the world calls you tranny, fag, degenerate, etc. People get mad because what you've insulted them for is something very real and something that is part of their lives. Regardless of your political affiliations, this much must be obvious.

>>10730919
It is likely that everything can be understood through a mechanistic lens, it's simply a matter of scale. Constructivism is just reductionism that ignores scale.

>>10730876
>If you're talking with your fellow conservative friends absolutely, in an academic context like the video probably not.
Many examples can be found of people arguing the definition of gender outside an academic context with one side claiming the jargon definition as the only valid one. If what the above poster said were true, this wouldn't be so common. The reality is academia has taken a word that connotes something very specific and attempted to broaden it in common discourse to encompass something else, then people like the above try to hide behind the "jargon" argument. It's an attempt at deflection, and the intellectually disingenuous (or legitimately confused) really think they're pulling one over with it. The transparency and simple-mindedness of it amuses me.
Aside from all that, my pet theory is social scientists are confused, simply describing personality with their gender arguments.
>>10730879
>Well convincing me isn't going to change anything
I don't discuss things to convince people, merely to state my beliefs.

>>10730931
Breakdowns in communication between people with polarized political beliefs is neither new nor uncommon.
As for the word gender it's a little interesting as it comes from a latin word meaning kind, species or character, and was then adopted by romance languages to describe the concept grammatical gender. Then it was adopted by English as a replacement for the term sex as it had vulgar connotations. Then it was used starting in the 60s academically to describe social and cultural differences rather than sex, mainly due to the concept of grammatical gender, and it's been widely adopted as this among people with more liberal cultural values most likely due to their greater exposure to social science concepts. You can argue this is confused or some kind of attempt to push an agenda all you want but it doesn't really move the argument anywhere. The fact of the matter is words change considerably over time and depending on who's using them this is just another example of this.

>>10730372
>i know plenty of male teachers who would be like "alright, alright, just between you and me, there are just two, just play along"
They're as much a part of the problem as this guy is. I admit that it is a hard position to be in at this point re: out-of-control political correctness, but kids are being indoctrinated instead of educated now, and someone should be standing up for them.
If not teachers, who??

>>10731018
Oh and it's worth mentioning the word is necessary as many cultures around the globe have more than two genders that aren't perfectly correlated to sexual characteristics. Modern Abrahamic cultures are actually a little unique in only recognizing two.

>>10730531
>Ideally there would be no 'boys things' or 'girls things' just 'things'.
1. Guess how we know that you don't ave children...
2. Why would that be ideal, btw?

>>10730924
>Constructivism is just reductionism that ignores scale.
...not really. It's not like a top down / bottom up construction in something like the naturals and induction. There are formal problems that cannot be understood through physical reducibility, like the mind-body problem.

>>10730586
>China (and India) were world powers much before today.
>world
hmm, you're going to have to define "world"

>>10730618
...your point?

>>10731032
>many cultures around the globe have more than two genders
be specific: which cultures are those, exactly?

The CHAD humanities teacher
vs
the virgin ILOVESCIENCE reddit atheist

>>10731063
Ancient Egypt, ancient Israel, Vedic india, the Inca, Maya, some native American tribes, the Zapotec. Those are just some of them

>teacher says "Not every policy is scientific"
>reddit fedora tippers lose their shit

Guess what you cringe fedora tippers
The scientific method they teach you at school is not scientific
The policy that bullying should not be allowed is not scientific
Mathematics are not scientific

>>10730862
>hasn't read the stoics

>>10731018
You're confusing your talking points for germane rebuttals to things I actually said.
"Gender" has a commonly understood contemporary definition. When you start using the word to mean something else, people are likely to correct you. If you then use the argument, "oh, this is how social scientists use the word", well then, okay but that doesn't invalidate or diminish the colloquial use. Also, words changing meaning over time doesn't equate to social science having the privilege of changing the definition of this particular one by fiat. As to the existence of a conspiracy, some people smell something based on a reading of the facts of which words are being redefined, how they are being redefined, what are the externalities, etc.
>>10731032
>Oh and it's worth mentioning the word is necessary as many cultures around the globe have more than two genders that aren't perfectly correlated to sexual characteristics. Modern Abrahamic cultures are actually a little unique in only recognizing two.
This is a bizarre tangent as there is nothing "necessary" about homogenizing different cultures. I'd argue the opposite actually.

>>10731092
most people haven't

>>10731111
It's not about homogenization it's about descriptions of human behavior in English

>>10730919
why are you putting so much effort into explaining obvious shit to literal retards

>>10730552

hmmm i wonder what you would've done to upset the teacher

>>10730365
The teacher is being an authoritarian jackass, and doesn’t know what he’s talking about, but the student is also wrong. Biologically there are intersex people. (I assume that sex is what the student meant in his biological framing of gender.)
With that said, the idea that there are infinite genders doesn’t appear to be born out in reality. I’ve heard of male, female, and then people who consider themselves, or claim to be for attention and status, agender or a combination of each gender, or genderfluid. Which, afaik, are not genders in themselves but identities that fall or float along the spectrum between female and male.

>>10730410
>biologically there are two sexes for sure
Not really. Plenty of people have XXY and XYY chromosomes. That’s probably four at least, depending on where one draws the lines. Socially, we’d call most of those people male or female, which gives credence to the separation of gender from sex, to mean social role and perception (personal and societal).

>>10730415
He’s probably just a cunty authoritarian Brit. They treat each other horribly.
Northern Euros are the most socially conformist, authoritarian people on earth. Everyone has to “agree” to survive the cold winter. This is on the back of their mind all the time. (They’re also super trusting, because they have to be able to cooperate to survive said winter.)

>>10730422
This. Being ignorant to own the Libs (and trust me, the Libs can be pretty insulting and gay and annoying) is still being ignorant.
From what I’ve seen, the left tend to be intelligent and good at verbal deceit, and the right tend to be ignorant and don’t even bother lying.

>>10730458
I think there’s a strong argument to be made that IQ isn’t that great compared with other things like charisma and memory.

>>10730490
Why do you hate white people?

>>10730522
>Jewish fables endorse strict gender roles so fuck my Scythian ancestors

>gender
Literally not science or maths, it's just social construct bullshit pushed by retards and jews.

Gender and sex are the same thing
and there's only male

the others are property

>>10730919
>this much must be obvious
What should be obvious is that you shouldn't shut people up just because they disagree about the nature of a social construct.

>>10731291
dilate

Isn't there some African area where there's a weird syndrome where boys balls and dicks don't form until they hit puberty so they're mistakenly treated as girls for the first part of their life.

>>10730365
Leave class.
Never come back.

>>10730438
>IF YOU DON'T EAT YOUR MEAT, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY PUDDING

>>10730372
>genetic defect is a gender
pls stop

>>10730365
>Get out of the UK
>Wait for the muslims to take over and get rid of the nonsense
>Take the UK back from the muslims

>>10730632
>she
oh boi

>>10730416
Says who? Why do I have to accept this as a fact? There are not even different words for the two in my language.

>>10731071
gay

>>10730365


Had this history teacher in high school take a hand pol of who believed the earth revolved around the sun and who believed the sun revolved around the earth. I think she was legitimately curious to see if any of her student were dumb enough to believe the sun revolved around the earth. She'd also tell us that God isn't real.

>>10731646
>medical abnormalities and genetic errors are additional genders
I guess 6-fingered people are just another breed of human, too.

>>10730919
>People get mad because what you've insulted them for is something very real and something that is part of their lives.
No it's not, they're just deranged.

>>10733148
t. virgin ILOVESCIENCE reddit atheist

>>10733212
just in the same way others who don't understand you view your autism

>>10731071
dilate

>>10733230
You'll never be a real woman, you know.

>>10733238

At least I've banged a real women.

>>10733248
>muh dik
Damn, you sure showed me. His penis being feminine doesn't make it any less gay, btw.

>>10733248
>a real women
Trans women are not real women.

>>10733217
No, you're just a insufferable faggot.

>>10733251
>>10733252
>all this incel virgin cope
yikes

>>10733306
Have children

>>10730365
>using political incident and newspeak semantics to frame the subject of phenotypic expression in political terms, thence trigger idiots.

Back to your board.

>>10733336
should be the limit as x approaches 0, indicating infinite stupidity

>>10732446
>>10731021
>>10730800
>>10730713
>>10730617
>>10730421
jesus christ. /sci/ has been in a depressing state for a long time, but this is seriusly sad.

>>10730365
You're a fucking retard for being unable to make a polite discussion and should drop out

>>10730372
Imagine being arnold

>>10733306
>if you don’t think a tranny is a woman you’re an incel

Guess that makes 90% of the population incels.

Go outside.