/sci/ - Science & Math

What do you mean by ‘prove’?

>>10706633
Concrete mathematical proofs what don’t you understand, Mr. Anon

>>10706633
Time is ticking Mr. Anon, you do want that A, right?

a waste of human time. kill yourself fo being this retarded.

only a moron would waste their time on god and only a greater moron would attempt to disprove a belief something that doesn't require evidence or approval.

this is why you shouldn't study philosophy, because it makes you a retard.

>>10706649
here is my proof

OP=a dumbass

proof:

OP is a philosopher.

>>10706630
Define "God".

>>10706630
Why do you have 5 eyebrows?

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>>10706653
*puts a big fat zero on your assignment*

>>10706659
I was born in Chernobyl and worked in the nuclear power plant before getting my degree in scientific theology.

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>>10706630
Return God == Real;

>>10706741
A+, wonderful and saved!

>>10706630
>prove or disprove to me the existence of an imaginary being
L0Lno fgt pls

>>10706630
>prove imaginary thing is true
lol no. its not even possible.

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>>10706876
Hope you’re happy with your wageslavin jobs, studentcucks, cuz you ain’t gettin this A+ for your would-be future career in STEM. This is, by the way, 100% of your whole entire grade for the whole 4 years at this college you paid a big loan for.

>>10706888
jokes on you christfag, i already make more money than you with my fancy stem degree. get licenced as an engineer and write your own paychecks. its like being in a trade except actually needing brains.

>>10706899
Who said I was a christfag, edgelord?Your egotistical arrogance and know-it-all assumptions will certainly be your downfall.

>>10706910
lmfao christ cuck you came here from /pol hoping to dig up something you can pass off as proof from people you hope are smarter than you. the problem is god cant be proved because "god" as a concept is defined in terms which make proving its existence impossible. and the fact it was defined in un-falsifiable terms should make you seriously skeptical about its veracity.

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>>10706923
>seething fedora

>>10706630
There is no evidence of the existence of this being. You are asking for evidence to disprove the existence of a nonexistent being which is a fallacy.

There is no need in our current models (evolution, big bang, etc) of a non anthropomorphic all powerful being to explain everything. We have the pieces, we only need to figure out how to fit them together.

So if there is no need of the existence of this being then there are two possibilities:

>this being is a ilusion to explain things in nature we dont fully understand, just like Zeus was used by the greeks to explain thunder.
>this being is nothing like religions think it is but just a being with no divinity power over our universe. This powerless being would no longer classify as a god.

>>10706951
>You are asking for evidence to disprove the existence of a nonexistent being which is a fallacy.
Wrong on 3 counts:
1) It's an existent being.
2) It IS absolutely possible to disprove the existence of a non-existent being.
3) That's not a "fallacy". Are you retarded?

>>10706923
Explain to me what /pol/ is please

>>10706962
>god exists
(citation needed)
>its possible to disprove something that doesnt exist
god is defined in terms which are not falsifiable. its a supposed being which is in a separate dimension that can not be interactred with, and which left no trace of an effect on the observable universe which can be definitively attributed to its involvement
>you're dumb
no you, christ-cuck, you are the dumb here.

>>10706966
I'm not religious but the trace of God's handywork is the earth itself, or existence itself.

You are also religious because you believe in the big bang, which was made up by a Catholic/Jesuit priest (Georges Lemaitre).

>>10706962
Prove to me the nonexistence of sirens. (you cant)

It seems to me you didnt understand me.

>>10706966
This anon gets it.

>>10706982
>the trace of God's handy work is
there is literally nothing ever observed, or discovered which can be explained only through the existence of a god. saying an explanation doesn't yet exist, and so therefore its god's doing is not proof that god did it. its just an explanation which has no evidence to support the claim.

>>10706991
Define "God".

>>10707005
>Define "God".
a fantasy to make people feel better about the apparent pointlessness of their existence, and an explanation for things not understood. also sometimes the excuse used to coerce social behavior out of people.

Axiom: God exists

>>10707013
Try again. What are the properties of the "God" you are arguing against?

>>10706630
Unironically this question is the same as saying prove P = NP

I'm a panthiest a nd an epistimelogical anarchist. I find science to be a useful tool in understanding the universe, but the scientific method to itself is not the only tool to gain enlightenment.

By God, I mean a being absolutely infinite-that is, a substance consisting in infinite attributes, of which each expresses eternal and infinite essentiality.

I find god to be synonymous with everything that exists within the universe. The most divine substance is everything.

Prove everything doesnt exist after all I guess.

>>10707025
as my god is a pink unicorn which lives in a pocket dimension hidden in the moon. it only comes out while invisible and makes causes everything that it does to look like it wasnt the unicorn's doing. and your a racist biggot if you dont believe in the great pink moon unicorn. prove my pink unicorn god doesnt exist or else you must agree its real.

>>10706649
Y-you're retarded !!!

>>10707060
So you're applying physical properties to this "God"? Nice straw man.

>>10707030
Yo, that's kind of true I think. But Godel's proof is already rock steady solid. How would you go about changing it into the form of P vs NP to solve that?

>>10707117
the pink pocket dimension moon unicorn god has extradimensional properties which vibrate on a higher dimension and cause rainbow fractal future past influences which are undetectable because thats the way the unicorn likes it. the pink unicorn god will make you go to hell if you dont worship it.

>>10707175
but will the pink unicorn moon pocket dimension god loves you and will forgive you for being bad if you give me your money and promise not to be bad anymore.

>>10707060
That's your God, but I am tasked with proving the Islamic God. The Islamic God is any necessary being. Let's do the following proof, which will contradict your unicorn in the process.

Assumption: Contingent entities exist i.e. ideas which could be conceptualized some other way for example matter in a room could be rearranged. I can set objects in a room in a certain configuration or another to my liking. Therefore the matter in an ordinary room is contingent. In particular, it is contingent on my will of arrangement.

Theorem: There exists a necessary being

Proof: If contingent beings exist we have by definition that they must depend on something else. Contingent entities like a glass cup requires the concept of glass to be what they are. Carry the process forward and we find all entities we observe are contingent. There must be one necessary being which is fundamental. Everything is contingent upon one necessary being, so there must be a necessary being for our world to exist! Therefore there exists some necessary being.

Corollary: a unicorn God can not be necessary as it could be some other way. The unicorn could have a complex number of horns for example. It relies on the concept of the standard real number unit 1 to define itself. Therefore it is contingent.

Anyways, my job is done. The Islamic definition of God is exactly a necessary being. Again is a necessary being is anything which does not depend upon anything else. The only way out of this is to deny existence itself from the assumption.

>>10707175
So your "God" is separate to its creation?

>>10707205
>So your "God" is separate to its creation?
no because of the past future influences through its extra dimensional rainbow fractal waves which directly influence things in a way that no one can ever detect because its like that on purpose. prove me wrong you atheist fedora tipper

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>>10707181
I've noticed that fedoras have such a strange obsession with unicorns. Are they, dare I say it, disgusting closet bronies?

>>10707217
You claim it is a pink unicorn, which implies it is a separate entity with unique physical features.

>>10706630
Choose it as an axiom
QED

>>10707226
the pink unicorn moon pocket dimension god can choose to manifest in any way it chooses, or it can choose to merge with the universal higher dimensional matrix of the universe and mind meld with all of everything at all points in the time continuum simultaneously.

>>10707224
you are going to hell because you're an atheist bigot for not worshiping the self evidently powerful god of the universe, the pink unicorn.

>>10706966
>god is defined in terms which are not falsifiable
Wrong.
>its a supposed being which is in a separate dimension that can not be interactred with
Wrong.
>which left no trace of an effect on the observable universe which can be definitively attributed to its involvement
Wrong.

Wrong on all counts. You get a big fat 0. I'm afraid this will have a deleterious effect on your GPA. Better prepare yourself for that burger-flipping job.

>>10707234
atheists are bigots, I agree, but unicorns cannot be god because they're fictional

>>10707235
>god is defined in terms which are falsifiable
list them
>god is a being which is not in a separate dimension and can be interacted with
produce anything that could objectively be called evidence to prove this
>God left traces of an effect on the observable universe which can be definitively attributed to gods involvement
such as?

>>10707234
>the pink unicorn moon pocket dimension god can choose to manifest in any way it chooses, or it can choose to merge with the universal higher dimensional matrix of the universe and mind meld with all of everything at all points in the time continuum simultaneously.
So your "God" chooses?

>>10707237
why havent you accepted the pink pocket dimension mood unicorn god's forgiveness yet and chosen to worship him? if you dont repent and convert to unicornism then you will go to mega super hell, which is like 10 times worse than the bad place all the other gods would send you to, and so thats why you know its really bad and so you better believe in it because you really wont lose anything if you dont believe, its a no loss situation, just believe in the pink unicorn god, seriously are you retarded or something, its common sense.

>>10707195
>There must be one necessary being which is fundamental.
Nothing you said implies a being, so you fail. The universe itself could be fundamental.

Also, you are confusing conceptualizing a fundamental as different with a fundamental being different. Just because you can imagine something to be different doesn't mean it's possible for it to be different.

>The unicorn could have a complex number of horns for example. It relies on the concept of the standard real number unit 1 to define itself.
This is gibberish. Concepts are contingent on reality, not the other way around.

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>>10707234
Feeling euphoric eh? Must be those raging hormones...

>>10707244
>such as?
not him but the extreme fine-tuning seems as good as anything

>>10707249
>So your "God" chooses?
yeah, like when you were doing things on a previous day and a thing which might have been bad or good happened, or didnt happen, in a way you cant for sure say was not because of the pink unicorn moon pocket dimension god. That was totally the pink iunicorn using its fractal recursive past future influences to directly influence your life, because of how you are LOVED! by the unicorn. you atheist fedora tippers are unbearable, its so obviously true. come on!

>>10707260
>a thing which cant be proved isnt because of the pink unicorn happened and therefore its definately true the uncorn is real!

Awesome! you have been baptized by the holy order of unicorn jiz and are now among the ranks of the saved.

>>10707030
I could, but then I'd be the first eternal professor because I'd never need to run any other class for the rest of time.

>>10707272
the fuck are you even saying, retard. take a breath and go outside.

>>10707264
So you're applying human characteristics upon your "God"? A God needs to choose? Your unicorn God is retarded but I guarantee if Einstein and Hawking said it was real you'd believe it.

>>10707260
"Fine tuning" makes no sense. If a designer created the universe for the purpose of creating life then "fine tuning" would not be apparent because the entire universe would be amenable to life. Only a very small part of what we have observed is amenable to life, which indicates that life is an adaption to the universe, not the other way around. The entire line of thinking is fallacious and backwards.

>>10707287
>life is an adaption to the universe
no, because if some of these constants were even slightly different, and we're talking about astronomically small deviations here, chemistry wouldn't even be possible.

>>10707283
no your god is retarded. obviously the pink unicorn god is self evident. how else can you explain anything? didnt you know that the pink unicorn farted the universe and made time because it was bored and it got lonley soand it wanted to help people so it made people that it could take on rides on its back. thats why people look like they do BTW (duh). and also people were kindof dicks and got sorta uppidy so the unicorn made a pocket dimension in the moon to hide out in and wiped out everyones memories about the experience. I mean, it makes so much sense you can not, not believe it is clearly the one true belief system. Did i mention the super mega hell which is 10 times worse than the other bad places of the other gods? yeah you dont want that, so just believe and be saved! serious, you lose nothing and have everything to gain! just accept the unicorns love and forgiveness and be saved!