/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10703918
How harmful is 4G though

the entire human population dying of smartphone induced brain cancer that would be a bad thing.

>>10703923
very
after reading the literature im starting to lean towards microwaves causing the vast majority of male disabilities such as autism and ADHD due to how very very low levels severely affect Y sperm cells

>>10703918
This doesn't make enemy sense though. The radiation from cell signals is non-ionizing.

>>10703928
go read the $30 million NTP study that just came out

>>10703926
If you couple this to the damage that pesticides and other drugs are doing to the human body. I don't think this race is gonna live very long unless everyone slows down and takes it sustainably.

>>10703932
But it's non-ionizing. Microwaves can't hurt you no matter how many there are.

>>10703965

>>10703965
They still affect the conformations of proteins. With sufficient radiation I bet you can activate certain receptors. Or even make the polymerase make mistakes

>>10703932
Link?

>>10703974
vgccs are affected by very low levels
we're talking .1 uw/m2 causing significant changes to cell function, ergo stress and damage over time

>>10703976
https://www.niehs.nih.gov/news/newsroom/releases/2018/november1/index.cfm
should be somewhere around this page

>>10703965
>believing industry propaganda

Goodest goy

>>10703918
INB4 this thread turns into another /pol/ shitstravaganza.

>>10703982
>>10703985
Fuck I was too late. Reminder 5G threads are >>>/pol/ threads. Tictac threads are >>>/x/ threads.

So is this a right wing issue or a left wing issue?
Depending on that we'll see if 4chan gives a shit.

I guess most people would treat this as conspiracy theories. My professor says that this stuff is not a joke. And he's a top scientist at a hospital so he's unaffiliated with the industry. Only government scientists would take this seriously. But we are so used to dismissing this shit as conspiracy theories. I think we'll be destroyed

>>10703991
>>10703993
stop trying to derail

recent studies are showing the effects of microwave radiation are overall negative

check out some of these research summaries to learn more: https://bioinitiative.org/research-summaries/

>>10703980
>“The exposures used in the studies cannot be compared directly to the exposure that humans experience when using a cell phone,” said John Bucher, Ph.D., NTP senior scientist. “In our studies, rats and mice received radio frequency radiation across their whole bodies. By contrast, people are mostly exposed in specific local tissues close to where they hold the phone. In addition, the exposure levels and durations in our studies were greater than what people experience.”
>The lowest exposure level used in the studies was equal to the maximum local tissue exposure currently allowed for cell phone users. This power level rarely occurs with typical cell phone use. The highest exposure level in the studies was four times higher than the maximum power level permitted.
>For female rats, and male and female mice, it was unclear if tumors observed in the studies were associated with RFR used by cell phones

>>10704000
there are literally dozens of cases of people getting localized tumors close to where they've held or stored their phones near their bodies

sorry but the study is significant and relevant to human health

>>10704002
Source?

>>10704004
>The Hardell-group conducted two case control studies on brain tumors during 1997-2003 with cases being reported from the Swedish Cancer Registries. Consistent pattern of the increased risk of glioma and acoustic neuroma associated was seen with use of mobile phones and cordless phones. Supportive evidence came from anatomical localization of the tumor to the most exposed area of the brain, cumulative exposure, and latency time that all add to the biological relevance of an increased risk.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4922278/

>>10704002
>there are literally dozens of cases
So 0.000000005% of the world population?

>>10704004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoI5sJaVGi4

>>10704006
>Overall evaluations show that the current evidence for a causal association between cancer and exposure to mobile radiation is weak and unconvincing.

>>10704007
>adults are getting tumors and brain damage from using phones
>better give them to kids and upgrade to 5G for collimated death beams!

>>10704014
>adults are getting tumors and brain damage from using phones
Your own link said:
>Overall evaluations show that the current evidence for a causal association between cancer and exposure to mobile radiation is weak and unconvincing.

>>10704012
>current evidence
the NTP study wasnt out by then
and the NTP study only used 2G and 3G signals, not the ultra modulated 4G LTE and 5G signals which are significantly more carcinogenic

>>10704012
Thanks for debunking it, I was worried for a second there. Back to shoving my phone up my ass.

>>10704018
I took that quote from YOUR link you idiot. If you don't like it post a different one.

>>10704017
>>10704021
see
>>10704018

>>10704022
>>10704018
>the NTP study
Yeah, which was posted here:
>>10703980
>https://www.niehs.nih.gov/news/newsroom/releases/2018/november1/index.cfm
>should be somewhere around this page
Which got this response:
>>10704000
>>The lowest exposure level used in the studies was equal to the maximum local tissue exposure currently allowed for cell phone users. This power level rarely occurs with typical cell phone use. The highest exposure level in the studies was four times higher than the maximum power level permitted.
>For female rats, and male and female mice, it was unclear if tumors observed in the studies were associated with RFR used by cell phones
Which in turn got THIS response:
>>10704002
>there are literally dozens of cases of people getting localized tumors close to where they've held or stored their phones near their bodies
Which brought us to the exact link you're now pretending doesn't count even though it was introduced by one of you conspiracyfags in the first place:
>>10704006
>>10704012
>>Overall evaluations show that the current evidence for a causal association between cancer and exposure to mobile radiation is weak and unconvincing.
How many times do we need to complete this loop here?

>>10704035
why are phone industry shills always mentally retarded? they got test masts in your offices or something?

>>10704009
>Leaked Motorola memo revealed they "wargamed" the science

Like their shills are wargaming this thread right now

>>10704044
Welcome to the adhom portion of our thread this evening. Feel free to work out your anger with a few swears and maybe a little racism if you are peckish.

The shill does not want you to read this image. Do not click on it or anything at all.

>>10704060
Link:
https://www.rfsafe.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/cell-phone-radiation-war-gaming-memo.pdf

>>10704060
I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up being the equivalent of the whole "fossil fuels industry knew about global warming first" thing.

>>10704058
the whole point of the NTP study is that it shows a direct relationship between cancer and mobile phone radiation

sorry I have to spell this out for you. your brain's cooked champ, that's why you lost this argument

>>10703934
Plus what both those things are doing to the environment.

>>10704096
nothing at all haha who needs trees or bees

>>10704098
We'll just have robot bees and robot trees. Pretty much the same if no one goes outside.

>>10703918
what kind of retard presents their data in a figure without even cropping out the rest of their program?

even if it is true, what difference does it make, 4g shit has been everywhere for over a decade, if you live in any major metropolitan area you've been a goner for a long time now

>>10704100
Real scientists don't have time to learn how to crop an image. If you know how to use an image editor, you're not taking things seriously.

>>10704100
>>10704103
cell phones are safe now 5G is based now

>>10704102
LTE is the real killer and what they're going to use as a base to develop 5G modulation on

>>10703965
It is still energy. Enough concentrated into a small enough area can still damage cells. Skin cells, mostly, as they don't penetrate past that very much. Also unless very prolonged, your body can easily repair the damage.

The damage won't be cancer like ionizing radiation, and there won't be radiation sickness from organs failing, but any damage could potentially cause complications. Only time will tell. 5g is probably safe. Should definitely still be continued to experiment with and study, but at this point nothing that says it is dangerous to proceed.

>>10704014
>upgrade to 5G for collimated death beams
>buy a large amount of 5G phones
>start hiding them in the bag of someone you hate
>wait for your untracable revenge
>if it's figured out cell phone companies will fight for you to prove 5g is safe

>>10704002
There are literally billions of people with cell phones. You are going to take a few dozens of cases as proof?

>>10704123
is this the new canned shill response
>there are billions with cell phones its ok who cares about science

>>10704069
>the whole point of the NTP study is that it shows a direct relationship between cancer and mobile phone radiation
Why are you lying?

>“The exposures used in the studies cannot be compared directly to the exposure that humans experience when using a cell phone,” said John Bucher, Ph.D., NTP senior scientist. “In our studies, rats and mice received radio frequency radiation across their whole bodies. By contrast, people are mostly exposed in specific local tissues close to where they hold the phone. In addition, the exposure levels and durations in our studies were greater than what people experience.”
>The lowest exposure level used in the studies was equal to the maximum local tissue exposure currently allowed for cell phone users. This power level rarely occurs with typical cell phone use. The highest exposure level in the studies was four times higher than the maximum power level permitted.
>For female rats, and male and female mice, it was unclear if tumors observed in the studies were associated with RFR used by cell phones

You might as well say that the entire point of the study is that it shows a direct relationship between living longer and mobile phone radiation. But you won't, because the study doesn't show any direct relationship.

>>10704134
>it's rats not humans haha it cant be compared lolol!!!!!
>and only male rats got affected FUCK MEN hahaha!!!!!

I'm not lying at all, read the study fully

>>10704127
12 to 24 people out of 4 to 5 billion is not a valid sample. You would expect MORE than those many people to have tumors in their hands or by their pants pockets just statistically even WITHOUT cell phones. So if anything, the "literally dozens" comment is more proof that cell phones prevent these tumors than they cause it.

>>10704142
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/02/health/brain-tumors-cell-phones-study/index.html

here from your favorite website

>>10704141
>study author directly refutes your claim
>>READ THE STUDY

>>10704144
>did not read the study
>did not understand my claim
I-ICNIRP.... ehhee

>>10704134
>>10704144
what did the NTP study mean by this

>>10704153

>>10704153
>expecting me to believe femnazi study authors who get off on giving males cancer

>>10704153
>>10704156

>>10704157
you're thinking of ICNIRP trannies

>>10704143
>"The paper itself is not about cell phones; it's just about this change in the tumors ... but cell phones seem like really they're the most likely cause," said Alasdair Philips, lead author of the study and a trustee of Children with Cancer UK.
I find it odd that the lead author is a well known anti-cell phone lobbyist who sells radiation meters to the deluded public, yet claims that the study is not about cell phones... what a coincidence!

No, the study is not about cell phones, it was just made with the objective of blaming tumors on cell phones before it even began and the data was analyzed. Hilarious.

>>10703918
The benefits outweigh the fact humans will boil themselves to death.

>>10704165
>a well known anti-cell phone lobbyist
the audacity of this shill is quite entertaining, but the game's up and your cute little cell towers are going away

>>10704166
Humans boiling themselves to death would be a benefit.

>>10704146
>did not read the study
I've already read it. Another lie, wow you're really proving yourself trustworthy.

>did not understand my claim
I understand that you don't know what the study shows.

>>10703918
GROWTH PROSPERITY AND JOBS
GROWTH PROSPERITY AND JOBS
GROWTH PROSPERITY AND JOBS
GROWTH PRSOPERITY AND TUMORS (NOW WAIT ER NOT TUMORS, FORGET THE TUMORS FORGET THE FUCKING TUMORS JOBS)
GROWTH PROSPERITY AND JOBS

This is the mantra of the modern day Consumer, whose religion involves believing unquestionably in the Good Book of Economics

>>10704174
this response is actually ICNIRP tier
>yeah we know we were btfo but actually you are wrong haha

>>10704143
The claim was literally dozens. Going with 36, against the 4+ billion people with phones is .0000009% of phone users who are in the "literally dozens of cases of people getting localized tumors"
That quite a few orders of magnitude lower than 4-5 people per 100 thousand link you posted. My entire issue with the post was the "literally dozens" comment because it was glaringly wrong to anyone who has ever taken even a highschool science class. That comment alone suggests little scientific knowledge. You are probably cherry picking hard on all your links and without even knowing how little they actually support your claims.

I'm not talking about if cell phones cause cancer, I'm just talking about your shit-tier posts

>>10704176
Since when are modern day consumers smart enough to even think that much?

>>10704153
>>10704156
>>10704161
Ah I forgot that when you put opinions in a powerpoint presentation that makes them facts, you have bested me.

>>10704178
>desperately clinging to a point tangential to the main argument
lol

>>10704178
>literally being literal about literally

>>10704182
>clear evidence is an opinion
ICNIRP levels of mental retardation on display

>>10704178
People already develop cancer by the age of 50 or so randomly.
If we start seeing 30 year olds with cancer more regularly in the next decade or so it'll be proof that technology is killing us.

>>10704171
I don't see a denial... so I'll just take that as you admitting the study is meaningless. Even the shill author admits nothing in the study shows a connection between tumors and cell phones, he just concludes arbitrarily that "cell phones are the most likely cause."

>>10704177
Every post you make with no substance just further proves my point, please do it more.

>>10704193
so you vector of attack in this instance is to desperately cling to a point tangential to the main argument and topic of the thread as i highlighted a few posts back

pathetic and sad, no wonder globalism is on the way out with actual retards like you at the helm

>>10704177
>>10704190
>ICNIRP
I like how you say this like it means anything to anyone except you.

>>10704190
>clear evidence
A powerpoint making baseless claims is not clear evidence of anything. The study author directly refuted your nonsense. You lose.

>>10704197
all the science is on my side anon, read the dozens of studies that come out each month.

dont you fucking love science?

>>10704201
ok ICNIRP

The cumulative effects of small amounts can be significant over time.

>>10704203
>baseless claims
"baseless claims" from the $30 million NTP study

ok shill

>>10704181
The vote for people who say the three magic words
GROWTH PROSPERITY AND JOBS

>>10704198
>so you vector of attack in this instance is to desperately cling to a point tangential to the main argument and topic of the thread as i highlighted a few posts back
So your tactic is to desperately try to ignore that all of your points have been refuted, the evidence you cite doesn't support your claims, etc. by saying that one point is only one point. That won't work, try something else.

>>10704209
it has worked though, every onlooker is on my side, just like in real life when i give presentations on the topic

eat shit and sayonara to your nigger industry kike

>>10704198
It's a distraction, Anon. It's to keep you running around swinging at someone you can't beat, because there's nothing there to beat, instead of doing anything productive for your cause.

>>10704204
>all the science is on my side anon
Another lie. The only science you cited doesn't support your claims.

>>10704215
type 5G into facebook or into youtube
read the comments

that's my work :)

>>10704207
Your powerpoint screenshots are not from the NTP study you delusional nut.

>>10703918
Considering that billions of years of evolution made women's mentrual cycles in sync with the moon, seems pretty obvious that increasing EMF radiation at certain frequencies by 1000x those present naturally will probably have some kind of negative affect.

But as always, greed will override any gut feeling and cold feet.

>>10704217
it overtly does support my claims though, sorry ICNIRP but time is up

>>10704223
they are the conclusions of the study, yikes shill!

>>10704219
>type 5G into youtube
I've got bad news for you.

>>10704213
>it has worked though, every onlooker is on my side, just like in real life when i give presentations on the topic

>>10704227
pray tell

Since everything keeps sounding like a conspiracy theory we need more research on the topics and it needs to be publicly funded and done by neutrals and skeptics.
The electronics industry lobbies really hard against this shit. The public won't care either since nobody can live without phones.

>>10704226
>it overtly does support my claims though
It overtly doesn't.

>they are the conclusions of the study, yikes shill!
They are not. How many lies are we up to?

>>10704233
the NTP study linked earlier is enough, go read it

>>10704235
you are literally taking reality and saying whatever is real or true is actually false

microwave brains everybody

>>10704238
you are literally taking reality and saying whatever is real or true is actually false

>>10704238
I don't really trust American safety standards because America is deregulated to shit compared to Europe when it comes to health and safety

>>10704247
brussels and rome just banned 5G
Trump's residences will also have no 5G
that should tell you (((everything))) you need to know

>>10704233
>The electronics industry lobbies really hard against this shit.
And it's not even a recent thing. >>10704060 is from 1994, and it wasn't even the beginning.

>The public won't care either since nobody can live without phones.
I'm sure there's a way we could have phones and not this mess, but it sounds like it would cost money.

>>10704256
the phone industry is something like a 10 TRILLION dollar industry

nothing costs money to them. they are the vehicle for population reduction so it would seem. silent weapons, quiet wars etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Waeg79cBSY
schmuck but shows they lie 2 u

>Researchers saw lower body weights among newborn rats and their mothers, especially when exposed to high levels of RFR during pregnancy and lactation. Yet, these animals grew to normal size.
This looks vaguely similar to what happens when women abuse drugs during pregnancy too.

>>10704263
How do we make the world a safer place for fetuses so they don't get damaged before they're even born?
Pregnant women should be isolated in natural places with organic food and shit

>>10704269
Gonna go start a line of Faraday cage maternity wear.

>>10703965
Put a frog in a microwave oven and see what happens
It's not about if one photon can ionize, it's also about things like energy density and intensity

>>10704280
>one photon can't do anything
>a billion totally could
Still non-ionizing.

>>10704322
ionization is not the only negative effect that can be caused by radiation

>>10704002
There are also literally dozens of people who get tumours in areas unrelated to their cellphone use without any notable carcinogen exposure.
But let’s ignore those because they’re inconvienient.

>>10704349
there are probably hundreds of millions of preventable diseases that are caused by cellphone radiation, I was just going off of cases of cancer I've seen with a few google searches

keep attacking that tangent though, I'm sure it will reverse the consensus of this thread

>>10703926
Chicken Pox Vaccinations are the only way to stop the damage caused by 4G.

>>10704127
For contrast with an actual carcinogen, around 15% of male smokers get lung cancer, with this getting raised to 25% for heavy smokers.
Dozens out of billions is pathetic in comparison, and you are pathetic for thinking that it proves anything.

>>10704374
>>10704375
butthurt

>>10704375
There's bad effects either way. Which will be amplified with increasing intensity of signals like 6G and 7G

>>10704375
there are probably hundreds of millions of preventable diseases that are caused by cellphone radiation, I was just going off of cases of cancer I've seen with a few google searches

keep attacking that tangent though, I'm sure it will reverse the consensus of this thread

>>10704389
B-but you said "dozens"

>>10703918
Oh wow a big and scary ultracomplex waveform! How the fuck are 'complex' waveforms gonna do a damn thing at all? Looks like fucking noise to me. Why the hell does the complexity even matter at fucking all? I'll bet you're gonna shit BRICKS over this scary waveform. Hey what if 4g is even safer because all that wave stuff is spread out over more frequencies than traditional radio which is like just one or two.

>>10704224
>Gut feeling

>>10704411
>actively "war-game" the science to deny any results that go against industry dogma and confirm sane gut feelings
very high IQ

>>10704410
http://www.wi-cancer.info/antenna_sickness.aspx

ctrl+F modulation

sources at the bottom of the page

>>10704223
>What did the studies find?
The NTP studies found that high exposure to RFR used by cell phones was associated with:

>Clear evidence of tumors in the hearts of male rats. The tumors were malignant schwannomas.
>Some evidence of tumors in the brains of male rats. The tumors were malignant gliomas.
Some evidence of tumors in the adrenal glands of male rats. The tumors were benign, malignant, or complex combined pheochromocytoma.

https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/results/areas/cellphones/index.html

>but... but those aren't the conclusions of the study?
Are you actually a paid shill?

>>10704422
>Someone alleges that something you use is harmful
>Plan how you debunk the shit science so that you get the best outcome instead of a half-baked response
This proves nothing other than the fact that their corporate managers aren’t retarded. It’s a matter of public confidence as well, and so of course they were going to wargame a response.

>>10704444
>I am a shill.
>AND THAT'S A GOOD THING!

>>10704444
>debunk the shit science
Weird that their plan didn't seem to involve that. Their strategy was to quietly dismiss it and hope people forget.

>>10704389
>I know it causes cancer because of my gut feeling and google

>>10704449
>I don’t understand how businesses work
>They planned a response to harmful allegations, and so must be in the wrong

>>10704459
>intentionally obfuscate findings that can prevent harm
if you cause mass illness and death like this, you should also be caused illness and death

in minecraft

>>10703918
This faggot spamming this shit is yet another example of how the faggot mods on this board don’t do shit.

>>10704466
And it's unironically a good thing.

>>10703924
No it wouldn’t.

>>10704452
Their plan was to get independent experts in relevant fields to point out the flaws in the research and the application of it to communications RF.
They didn’t want to put Motorola specifically at the front of this because it wasn’t an issue specific to Motorola, but to the industry.
Did you even read it?

>>10704466
oy vey shut it down

>>10704475
>independent experts like ICNIRP who are all industry transplants

>>10704224
>menstrual cycle
>EMF
>not gravity
Stop posting.

>>10704494
it's widely recognized that EMFs of all frequencies affect hormones enough to induce aberrations in the menstrual cycle

>>10704526
>of all frequencies
Maybe ionizing ones.

>>10704548
>please ignore the NTP study please ignore the NTP study please ignore the NTP study please ignore the NTP study please ignore the NTP study

>>10704548
Sorry fren, I can't hear you with your head buried so deep in the sand

>>10703918
I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE!

>>10704526
In what magical fucking world is there a physical explanation for how the fuck EMF has anything to fucking do with the fucking moon you insufferable fuck.

>>10703918
lol you have no idea what else uncle sam is doing lol
>he doesn't know
> HAHA HE DOESN'T FUCKING KNOW

>>10704554
>please don't actually read the study
>please don't actually read the study
>please don't actually read the study

>For female rats, and male and female mice, it was unclear if tumors observed in the studies were associated with RFR used by cell phones.
>The lowest exposure level used in the studies was equal to the maximum local tissue exposure currently allowed for cell phone users.

anyone else notice the 2G/3G graphs are shown in the time domain, but the 4G graph is shown in the frequency domain.... Sus af

>>10704280
It's literally just heat. You can put yourself into a microwave and live, hell there's a type of sauna that does just that.

>>10704723
does
>clear evidence
mean something different to phone industry shills

>>10704763
you can convert between the two, not sure why the guy had two diff formats but they show the same thing

>>10704995
>hell there's a type of sauna that does just that.
infrared saunas are not microwave saunas you fucking moron

>>10704713
>the moon is the only thing that can affect the menstrual cycle
you are brain damaged

>>10705062
You keep telling people to read the study when you didn't even read it. Or if you did you ignored it, looked at some of the data, and decided to interpret your on conclusions the better fit your motive.

Sorry but the studies don't support your argument as much as you think they do

>>10704763
Frequency is wave speed / wavelength. Which is just the inverse of time (period). It is still a function of time and can be scaled together

>>10703918
Schizo!!!

>>10705091
They say it's unclear. So more controls are required. But it doesn't exonerate 3G

>>10705091
>clear evidence

>>10705091
>>10705102
https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/lt_rpts/tr595_508.pdf

>In males for both GSM- and CDMA-modulated RFR, we conclude that exposures increased the number of animals
with tumors in the heart. Tumors of the brain were also considered to be related to exposure; and increased numbers
of male rats with tumors of the adrenal gland were also related to exposure.

>>10705110
I know. But skeptics won't agree till it says that it's 100% caused by RFR

>>10705114
it's 100% caused by RFR

>>10705068
Infrared radiation has more or less almost the same properties as microwave radiation, dummy

Maybe humans and being are lucky in a way up-to a certain point and there exists some innbeded system that attracts outworldly radiation if it is detected to have increased to a point of being to lethal for overall life on the surface!

Also not concerned about is, humans will be just fine, 5G will not extinct humanity nor lower the number aka killing!

>>10705159
infrared cannot pass through your skull and give you brain cancer like microwaves

>>10705164
Uh, about that...
https://www.laserfocusworld.com/lasers-sources/article/16558020/nearir-light-penetrates-skull-to-aid-traumatic-brain-injury
>inb4 it's just NEAR IR
Skin or bone cancer doesn't sound more pleasant yet here we are

>>10705177
that's very high power IR
low powered microwaves pass right through your skin and skull and literally fry your brain

>>10704213
This is my first post.
Ur gay lmao you and vgccfag should go jerk each other off

>>10705182
+0.01 cents have been deposited in your 5G discord tranny account

>>10704526
>EMFs of all frequencies
Those words don't mean what you think they do

>>10705187
>electromagnetic fields of all frequencies
come on shill try a bit harder

>>10705188
Nobody who knows what they're talking about refers to radio as EMF.

>>10705192
radio waves are electromagnetic fields, as are microwaves, gamma rays, ELF waves

nice try

>>10704357
>every argument presented gets debunked
>that was just a tangent
>that was just a tangent
>that was just a tangent

>>10705205
>get btfo
>"lol debunked"

>>>/x/

>>10705214
>get btfo
>/x/

>>10704430
That's not what your PowerPoint screenshots said though. Nice try shill.

>RFR was associated with male rats living longer
>CELL PHONES CAUSE YOU TO LIVE LONGER THIS STUDY DIRECTLY PROVES IT
Fucking moron.

>>10705216
>clear evidence
say bye bye to your industry!
popular reaction to 5G is not very good is it?

>>10705215
?

Not her

>>10705217
>clear evidence of an association in male rats
>CELL PHONES CAUSE YOU TO LIVE LONGER THIS STUDY DIRECTLY PROVES IT
According to your logic this means the cell phone industry will grow since cell phones are now proven to be medicinal.

>>10705232
>haha bro there were some anomalous findings in the study
>that means microwaves dont cause cancer now 5G is a success now

>>10704444
>This post

Holyyyyyy fuck literally admitting to being a shill

Technology enthusiasts should admit that it has its drawbacks.
No such thing as a free lunch

>>10705237
Uh, duh? If there's even one flaw in it, it's debunked and therefore the opposite of whatever it claimed is true.

>>10705237
>the results I like are true
>the results I don't like are anomalous
Spoken like a true shill.

>>10705256
>if you drink this potion you will live for a few months longer but you will also get heart and brain cancer

>>10705258
Oh so now they're not anomalous results, they're on par with the tumor association? Which is it?

>>10705266
every onlooker ITT can see you are a shill
every onlooker ITT is witnessing your utter humiliation
every onlooker ITT is wondering why you continue to post despite scientific annihilation

why is that, shill? why post when you lose this hard?

>>10705269
I'm an onlooker and I think you're retarded and should stop posting.

>>10705291
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and tell you to read the thread and study the resources linked here

>>10705242
>Le false balance
ur so enlightened

>>10705378
upvoted

>>10705269
Every time your hypocrisy and lies get exposed you revert to delusions of grandeur and paranoia. Take your meds.

>>10705293
I have. Name one study which uses RF radiation below the legally allowed maximum cell exposure limit, and which has been reproduced by at least one other group.

The most powerful cell tower only puts out around 3.6 roentgens/h. Not great, but not terrible. It won't hurt anyone.

>>10705432
>>10705443
>i-is 5G a success yet g-guys?

>>10705443
name one study which takes into account modern 4G+ signals and 24/7 exposure such as that from residential transmitters and the effects on humans over a period of 4+ years and proves they are safe

then you realize that phone companies cant get insured for microwave tech, lmao

>>10705483
>proves they are safe
I don't think product liability works that way.

>>10705486
>hehe i got to pick out one phrase of his post and ignore 99% of it, checkmate conservatards

>>10705489
I'm not the anon you were arguing with, I just noticed you're talking about proving something safe when I don't think that's how product liability works.

>>10705493
why do you think phone companies cant get insurance for their microwave transmitter tech?

russian hackers?

>>10705502
Not getting insurance isn't the same as being liable. I can decide not to sell you insurance without it meaning you were found guilty of selling poisoned baby food or something.

>>10705514
why are swiss re and lloyds of london refusing to insure and issuing warnings to the insurance market?

>If you follow the money, this is HUGE. After all, if these wi-fi techno-toys are so safe, why is Lloyds leaving all this additional money on the table?
>Well, Lloyd’s November 2010 Risk Assessment Team’s Report gives us a solid clue: the report compares these wireless technologies with asbestos, in that the early research on asbestos was “inconclusive” and only later did it become obvious to anyone paying attention that asbestos causes cancer.

>>10705502
>>10705514
PS: I think you're also assuming PR problems related to the perception of health risks are the same as actual health risks. The distinction between those two is important because the general public can and does end up believing things about products that aren't true.
Corn syrup hysteria's a good example of that. Many companies have released cane sugar variants of their products, not because they have a legitimate reason to do so for the sake of mitigating public health risks but because they're aware lots of consumers are terrified of corn syrup or else believe cane sugar versions of soda taste radically different (even though they would almost certainly fail to tell them apart reliably in a proper blind taste test).

>>10705521
no no no
5G was supposed to be the future
delete this delete this

>>10705521
Look, is it harmful? Could be. Are you going to stop it? Nope.

>>10705164
>brain cancer
Not enough energy to damage DNA

>>10705565
>Are you going to stop it? Nope.
wanna bet?

>>10705611
see
>>10704156

The salt in this thread

Industry shills absolutely SCREECHING

everyone in this thread needs to have sex

>>10705565
Nobody can escape it. You can't even escape 4G signals even when you're in the countryside. Everyone pays for the pollution of the industrialists.

>>10703918
so what’s the deal? is it harmful or not?

>>10703926
wtf i always turn 4g on

>>10705966
yes, very

>>10703926
>"Very"

Haven't we been using 4g extensively for like the past 5 years now? Where's this supposed harm that should be affecting nearly everyone in a developed nation?

>>10706013
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_(telecommunication)

> LTE is also commonly known as 3.95G. The requirements were originally set forth by the ITU-R organization in the IMT Advanced specification. However, due to marketing pressures and the significant advancements that WiMAX, Evolved High Speed Packet Access and LTE bring to the original 3G technologies, ITU later decided that LTE together with the aforementioned technologies can be called 4G technologies.

the modulation LTE uses is very harmful. it's also what they're going to base initial 5G modulation on

>>10706013
Long term effects.

>>10705978
RIP
I've been using 4G for too long also

>>10706022
>the modulation LTE uses is very harmful
Proof?

>>10706051
read OP image, source is http://www.wi-cancer.info/antenna_sickness.aspx

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2015/607053/

>>10706059
>http://www.wi-cancer.info
You come here with sources like that and expect anything but shitposting?

>>10706087
thousands of citations to peer-reviewed contemporary scientific works?

yeah that's a bit much for icnirp retards

>>10706088
Such as the bio initiative report lel

>>10706089
another work with thousands of citations of contemporary works free of industry bias

if you hate science so much why come here

Nope. It’s harmless.

@10706097
cringe

the real redpill is realizing that severely limiting wireless communication will improve the world just because phoneposting on all websites will cease, basically restoring the internet to a pre-2007 state

by the way can you imagine the shitstorm and generational trauma generated if this becomes the new smoking? Basically 99% of society were running around with chernobyl in their hand

>>10706209
it's already a lot worse than smoking, just look at how 8/10 people's brains are rotting

>>10706214
that has more to do with the society we live in

>>10703973
great argument shitbag

>>10706221
i think it's more than comorbid; the electromagnetic lobotomy allows the so-called elite to pull the wool of clown world

also see post about sperm cells earlier, pretty sure radio waves are why boys get autism at much higher rates than girls

>>10703993
>My professor says that this stuff is not a joke
link his work then

>>10706225
isn't autism a form of hypermasculinity though? meaning it's more likely to apply to males

>>10703928

>>10706231
we're making broad statements here but i'm just suggesting that electromagnetism is a much bigger factor in disease than previously understood

>>10706235
that's very likely if it has biological effects like modifying ion channels. Imagine taking a balanced self-correcting system like the human body and just fudging the numbers on all the components by 5%, problems would quickly start to form

>>10704190
>clear evidence
you have not delivered any yet, only the link to the study which refutes your claim and a shitty powerpoint as the other anon called it...
If you deliver it we can discuss, but if you can really find no evidence, what is your problem with 5g?

>>10704224
>made women's mentrual cycles in sync with the moon
not really faggot, it is in the same order of magnitude, but varies about a week. Besides, why would the tidal forces of the moon only influence the cycles of human females and has no effect on other mammals?

>>10704238
>the NTP study linked earlier is enough, go read it
the one where they conclude no danger for humans?

>>10704332
go on then?

>>10704389
>there are probably hundreds of millions of preventable diseases that are caused by cellphone radiation
source?

>>10704470
i agree, even if op is a fag. Free speech and anonymity make the purest form of humanity

>>10705164
microwaves are absorbed by water, that‘s why it heats up in the first place.

>>10706252
>the other anon
lol ok

>>10706264
that's the opposite of the conclusion im afraid

>>10706268
read the thread

>>10706272
microwave interactions with vgccs and synergies with other EMFs for a start

>>10705269
I‘m an onlooker and conclude that you still have not provided any relevand evidence. Calling shill might be an entertaining meme, but people earning money with stuff doesn‘t make it dangerous.

>>10706300
only the truly indoctrinated would believe the NTP study is not evidence

non ionizing good
ionizing bad

>>10705966
No evidence so far, only a tendency in mice if you bombard them 24/7 with extremely high intensities over their whole bodies. For better results long term studies are needed

>>10706324
ah so you havent read the NTP study

>>10705565
>Look, is it harmful? Could be. Are you going to stop it? Nope.
^This. Don't know why these hysterical 5G posters are so worked up over this when it's definitely happening regardless of how many posts they make.

>>10706310
ionizing good

>>10706328
>ah so I havent read the NTP study
Fixed.
>>10703980
>“The exposures used in the studies cannot be compared directly to the exposure that humans experience when using a cell phone,” said John Bucher, Ph.D., NTP senior scientist. “In our studies, rats and mice received radio frequency radiation across their whole bodies. By contrast, people are mostly exposed in specific local tissues close to where they hold the phone. In addition, the exposure levels and durations in our studies were greater than what people experience.”
>The lowest exposure level used in the studies was equal to the maximum local tissue exposure currently allowed for cell phone users. This power level rarely occurs with typical cell phone use. The highest exposure level in the studies was four times higher than the maximum power level permitted.
>For female rats, and male and female mice, it was unclear if tumors observed in the studies were associated with RFR used by cell phones

>>10706338
you're either an urbanite retard with no friends or a shill

nobody wants 5G and everyone is talking about how dangerous it is

>>10705565
Defeatism is worthless.

>>10703918
rip nutsackuchan

>>10706293
>that's the opposite of the conclusion im afraid
Have you read your own study?
>read the thread
I have, there was nothing but assumptions and guesses on the danger of radiation besides ionization, except your powerslide. And I can just make one in a minute that sais the opposite.
>microwave interactions with vgccs and synergies with other EMFs for a start
that is a claim, not a source

>>10706347
It's already happening. I'm not even saying it's NOT dangerous so I don't see how you could think I'm a shill. I think it's completely plausible this will cause at least some people to get really sick and either dead or to a point where they would prefer it if they were dead.

>>10706347
>nobody wants 5G
Corporations and governments want it. It'll open up a lot of new opportunities for data collection.

>>10706328
I have, that is why I said what I did

>>10706349
>Defeatism is worthless.
Incorrect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hx4gdlfamo

>>10706328
link

wtf I didn't know /pol/ knew about /sci/

>>10706343
the study was done on 2G and 3G frequencies and modulation. that those signals were shown to be cancer causing is enough to roll back all 4G and 5G which are much more aggressive and therefore magnitudes more toxic to life

if you read the study, you'd know that they subjected the rats to 10 minutes on, 10 minutes off exposure of a single frequency for 9 hours a day. in real life, people are exposed to dozens of frequencies, many very powerful and with synergistic effects.

of course the study cannot be applied to reality as it's a laboratory and not the field. the study is for doctors to interpret and make recommendations, so the patient can then use the recommendation to file restraint orders against the telecoms companies (which is happening right now and going to happen a lot more in the future)

>>10706351
sorry but you're redditor tier braindead

>>10706356
it will be entertaining to see the fallout in a few months

>>10706357
they won't get it, they are already backing down in certain areas of England because they got caught red handed

>>10706359
you didnt which is why you described the methodology incorrectly

>>10706368
this is it i think https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/05/26/055699.full.pdf

>>10706376
>much more aggressive
What does that even mean in this context?
>magnitudes more toxic to life
I seriously doubt any legitimate source has claimed that because one frequency is possibly harmful that a different frequency is "magnitudes more" harmful. They always say the opposite which is that they don't know if findings for one frequency have anything to do with a different frequency.

>>10706382
>sorry but you're redditor tier braindead
that is an insult, not a source faggot. If you have nothing, why are you so upset about it?

>>10703928
I once read an article that the microwaves don't break the DNA, but instead activate certain enzymes that can manipulate DNA or do other damage.

>>10706393
i'm talking about modulation not frequency
read the thread to get started on this topic

>>10706397
the lack of a downvote button must frustrate you

>>10706400
>i'm talking about modulation not frequency
>read the thread to get started on this topic
Try reading your own posts first, friendo:
>>10706376
>the study was done on 2G and 3G frequencies and modulation.

>>10706406
by much more aggressive i was referring to the modulation methods employed,

>>10706400
>the lack of a downvote button must frustrate you
so you‘re full of bullshit.

>>10706413
no i'm not an industry shill like you

>>10704411 >>10704494 >>10706261
The point is that we really don't know anything about the long term effects. If you were not a shill or had a brain you'd have understood that.

>>10706422
I‘m a university student interested in the other non-speculative ways em radiation is harmful besides ionization and the probable hundreds of millions of diseases that are caused by cellphone radiation.
And the rat study is definetly no conclusive evidence that 5g is dangerous, it only warrants a long term study in humans.

>>10706435
>we really don't know anything about the long term effects
Would we ever know anything about long term effects without implementing it first? I don't think anyone's going to do a study on animals close enough to humans that you'd get meaningful information on anything in long term scope.

>>10706435
I didn‘t attack your point, you just used a really bad analogy

>>10706443
>>10706447
see
>>10705521

i wouldnt give a shit if you zoomer retards got 5G cancer, i only care that you disgusting morons wont be given the opportunity to inflict it on others

the reaction to 5G has been overwhelmingly negative- once people realize all it takes is a note from their doctor saying "the research shows there is a threat" to remove this technofilth you can say goodbye to your industry

relevant document
https://europaem.eu/attachments/article/131/2018-04_EU-EMF2018-5US.pdf

>>10706459
How is it a bad analogy? Seems like quite the coincidence that mentrual cycles are on the lunar cycle. I don't think there is a scientific explanation for this.
Are you one of those people who thinks sonar doesn't affect marine life as well, because
>there is no scientific evidence hurr durr

>>10706464
>i wouldnt give a shit if you zoomer retards got 5G cancer, i only care that you disgusting morons wont be given the opportunity to inflict it on others
I'm in my 30s and probably older than you.
>the reaction to 5G has been overwhelmingly negative- once people realize all it takes is a note from their doctor saying "the research shows there is a threat" to remove this technofilth you can say goodbye to your industry
I would much rather not see new generations of cellular network technology ever happen since I'm a programmer in an industry that uses them and it's a huge hassle having to deal with old generation sunsets. But see them we will.

>>10706477
enjoy the 5G cancer is all i can say lmao
bonus: the signals are collimated so you really will be fucked

>>10706464
this doesn‘t adress any of these >>10706443

>>10706480
his post is wrong there is clear evidence, he just hasnt read the study

>>10706479
>enjoy the 5G cancer is all i can say lmao
Everyone's going to enjoy it.

>>10703918
This is fucked up.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/04/5g-mobile-networks-threat-to-world-weather-forecasting
My gut feeling on this is that it will be very bad for our health over the long term. Yes, I recognize that my and many others' gut feeling is not enough to override greed, but there you have it...

>>10706489
except for the communities that opt out via the doctor

>>10706485
This post is wrong, there isn't clear evidence. He just hasn't read the study.

>>10706491
Is there already a process for opting out a "community." Also what does "community" mean exactly here?

>>10706497
you seem a little perturbed by my post

just noticing haha ;)

>>10706499
How am I perturbed if I'm asking for how to opt out?

>>10706494
this post is incorrect, there is clear evidence that cell phone microwaves cause cancer

https://youtu.be/XyrdQE503Sc?t=645

>>10706504
This post is incorrect, here's the study this anon's citing and its conclusion:
>>10704000
>>The lowest exposure level used in the studies was equal to the maximum local tissue exposure currently allowed for cell phone users. This power level rarely occurs with typical cell phone use. The highest exposure level in the studies was four times higher than the maximum power level permitted.
>For female rats, and male and female mice, it was unclear if tumors observed in the studies were associated with RFR used by cell phones

>>10706502
like in the ICNIRP and ICNIRP clone guidelines "seek the advice of a medical professional"

doctor says mast and phone bad
mast and phone not allowed on my property any more
bye mast

>>10706035
Oh so I'll die of a brain tumor at 93 instead of a heart attack at 94?

Big shame.

OP did you hit the puberty yet ?

>>10706509
So it's on a house by house basis? Has anyone done this successfully already?

>>10706507
this anon is an industry shill and is disregarding the clear evidence of malignant tumors caused by microwaves from cell phone frequencies in the study

also see >>10706376

>>10706516
yes and yes

>>10706519
Source on specific past successful opt out example?

>>10706521
do your own research, it's out there

>>10706511
It's not just about you. Teenagers will get cancer once they hit 30.

>>10706522
I looked. Doesn't look like you're telling the truth.

>>10706473
>Seems like quite the coincidence
yea it seems that way, but considering that it doesn‘t even really line up and I don‘t think there‘s a correlation between lunar and menstrual cycles of mammals, coincidence is very likely

>>10706524
you didn't look very hard
i dont think the precedent is set in America for it but it will probably work due to property rights

>>10706531
if it's so easy then just give us a link retard

>>10706531
>i dont think the precedent is set in America for it but it will probably work due to property rights
That's completely different from your claim a minute ago that an opt out process already exists and has been used.

>>10706533
no

>>10706535
no it's not
keep looking little buddy

>>10706538
This is why nobody takes /pol/ seriously. Lazy and dishonest.

>>10706542
what rights do you have when you buy property? peaceful and quiet enjoyment

when a doctor substantiates your claim that harmful radiation is contaminating your property, the emitter is forced to stop emitting

>>10706538
>keep looking little buddy
if you make a claim you better back it up. right now you're looking like a shitposter moron. which you are. kindly fuck off.

>>10706545
>what rights do you have when you buy property?
Fucking none. Ever hear of eminent domain?

>>10706548
look up cuck

>>10706549
thanks for conceding

How to avoid this radiation?

>>10706552
Conceding what? That you're wrong?

>>10706557
see
>>10706545

ask your doctor to look at the latest research that the shills in this thread dont want you to know about and give his/her opinion on whether it's harmful or not

then you can use laws in your country to put the emitter corporation on notice

>>10706561
>shills in this thread dont want you to know about
Everyone here is repeatedly asking you for MORE information on this, not suppressing it. If anything you're probably a shill sent to make people concerned about 5G look bad.

>>10706566
remember that the popular reaction to 5G is severely negative

what does this mean for your paycheck?

>>10706567
m8 I do software dev for an alarm company. Again, everyone is asking you for MORE information. You're the one suppressing here.

>>10706572
yeah i believe this one

>>10706223
you've been t-bagged

>>10706572
>>10704444
No shills here sir!

>>10706574
>>10706581

5G IS going to happen because the human race will trade life span for technology

>>10706591
urbanites are not human

>>10706586
it's a pretty easy google champ, you can do it!

>>10706523
I remember EMF anon talking about inherited loss of fertility, meaning that if the entire population is affected it will basically be like in children of men where nobody can have babies anymore. Of course such a thing won't happen to ALL the population, but severe levels of infertility would happen

>>10706598
If it were easy to find this non-existent information you would have posted it already. You can stop trying to save face now, nobody knows who you are here. Your reputation is safe from the discovery that you lied.

>>10706607
haha you want me to post it so bad huh

>>10706608
Well you have a good implied point here which is that it isn't really worthwhile to continue trying to get you to be honest. Kind of annoying but I guess I'll go do something else. I'm sure you're an otherwise good person aside from the lying.

>>10706618
i dont believe you're gonna give up those shillbucks so easily

>>10706603
If that was true we'd notice this effect right now.

We don't.

>>10706698

>>10706698
testosterone levels are like half of what they were 30 years ago, and sperm count is similarly in decline I think

>>10706716
>I think
It doesn't matter what you think It matters what you have evidence for.

>>10706723
you can look it up yourself

>>10706581
this is your only argument. Every time we ask for sources on your claims you go full blown retard with muh shills.

>>10706823
there are tens of thousands of sources in this thread. why are you intentionally looking the other way, ICNIRP-kun?

>>10707935
there is one you posted, shill. and it doesn‘t really support your agenda

>>10708008
posted from ICNIRP offices (where the EMF levels are below bioinitiative recommendations)

>>10708010
>bioinitiative
ok retard

>>10708120
good argument

>>10703982
Believing YouTube Pseudo-Scientists...

so faggots what can we actually do about this. there are thousands of studies showing this shit is dangerous and with 5G its only gonna get worse. but the advice on reducing your EMF exposure are laughable
>turn off your wifi router at night - um yeah but living in an apartment I still get 15 other routers blasting me 24/7
>lol turn phone into airplane mode
this shit is terrifying and I already suffer from depression and a host of psyochosomatic illnesses probably related to EMF. cant do shit about it so what do?