/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10683239
5G

>>10683239
>>10683242
This kinda. We haven't bottomed out on silicon transistor technology quite yet. Got another 20-30 years of growth and data mining to do before you see some serious shit. Basically an entire generation needs to grow up "plugged in" to see the effect.

>>10683239
We went from having big blocky ass phones to slim touchscreens everyone has and uses for all sorts of stuff. The miniturization involved is tremendous.

Oh and we found Higg’s Boson.

>>10683248
Cool, I can now jerk off by looking at facebook on my phone instead of my computer.

Based humans, always innovating

>>10683242
based

>>10683239

Not really. We need to figure out quantum internet.

Science is still advancing. The problem is that it's advancing in ways that are so complex that laymen can't even comprehend it. You need specialized education to even understand the significance of modern developments because they're so far removed from the kind of knowledge you need to just get by in normal day to day life.

Quantum Mechanics is literally a dead end, and is absolutely false. Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle has been proven false experimentally, and the mass and angular momentum of the electron have been solved using the fine structure constant. You'll never read about that in school though, because it upsets the status quo.

>>10683267
>
> .. /x/ worthy drivel ... You'll never read about that in school though
No shit, because none of it is true.

>>10683239
Gravitational wave astronomy as a field is less than a decade old and growing massively

>>10683239
Everything you just described is engineering.

>>10683239
Why are the props folded while it is flying?

>>10683239
Everyone in here is pretty much retarded. I think the discovery of exoplanets is a BFD. Other than that, everyone thought the Higgs was there already and the “information superhighway” ruined our lives instead of making it better.

>>10683347
Engineering is never dead as long as Stacy has chads credit card.

>>10683394
You’re the only retard here. Widespread internet access is the greatest thing ever made.

>>10683239
we discovered gravitational waves.

>>10683419
Predicted by theory. Confirming something is there isn’t really a discovery in the sense of opening up a whole new world.
Scientists legitimately believed there were no exoplanets as late as their discovery and thought Marcy et al. were basically UFO quacks.
Of course in hindsight it’s obvious.

>>10683267
>Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle has been proven false experimentally
Source?

>>10683427
>Scientists legitimately believed there were no exoplanets as late as their discovery
If you mean scientists in the sense of "at least two" and "works at some level in science education" then sure. If dissent existed in any meaningful way anywhere, it was a vanishing minority.

Moving Goalposts: The Thread: The Movie

>>10683452
Show me an astronomy text published before 1990 that takes exoplanets as likely as a comparable physics textbook would have treated gravity waves or the Higgs prior to experimental confirmation. I’ll wait.

>>10683460
I'm pretty sure I have an 80s Readers' Digest Atlas somewhere that talks about exoplanets and star formations (because that's what atlases did for some reason at the time), but also Bound for the Stars by Adelman and Adelman.

I've known about gravity waves for a long long time, and they were not mentioned outside of some very specialised texts for a very long time. You get a fair amount of mentions early on with a few texts in the 50s talking about measuring the resistance across a metal cylinder of all things, then pretty much nothing until the interferometry thing in the 90s and 00s, and some legitimate scientists were still legitimately skeptical of them. For a number of people they're conceptually troubling, and a lot of people lost interest when it first turned out that they were going to be real hard to detect if they did exist.

>>10683427
Confirming a prediction to be true is a discovery.

>>10683512
So, popsci and a housewives’ toilet book.
I win.

>>10683518
That’s vacuously true. We aren’t making paradigm shifting discoveries anymore.

>>10683523
>>10683512
So just in case someone is skim reading this thread and was put off from reading Adelman's book from the dumbass comment, the main one is this guy: https://www.iau.org/administration/membership/individual/1561/

It's a decent "historical" (but contemporary for the time) science book.

>Nothing of importance, scientifically, has happened in the past 20 years.

UAVs are now commonplace military weapons and AI assisted flight controls are rapidly becoming the norm too. This is but one example. You're a retard.

>>10683526
The depth of truth depends on what prediction is confirmed. With Higgs, we should have hoped it'd inform UFTs.

>>10683526
That’s not what a vacuous truth is, moron

>>10683239
All 'science' is is a series of inferences based on observed facts. I think what you mean is: is 'invention' dead, based on your picture. We use 'science' (inferences based on observed facts) to invent things based on models of predictability science can provide.

Also, technological advancements do not necessarily = net gain for humanity. In fact a substantial argument can be made it has made us more lazy, confused, deceived, uninspired, isolated, and stupid than at any other time in human history.

>>10683526
>>10683427
This is how I know you're just some retard sitting in his basement and not a working scientist. Even (good) theorists acknowledge that everything they do is meaningless without experimental confirmation.
t. theor. physics phd student

>>10683571
You’re just stating the obvious. Nothing is a surprise if it’s predicted. That’s the whole point.
Name one person who bet against the Higgs or gravity waves? I’ll wait.

>>10683564
Rad the broader context. At best it’s a tautology. At worst, it’s true only of the (non)-I portante discoveries, which is OP’s point.
But hey, thanks for the you.
You only know you’re main point is winning on /sci/ when people call you a retard.

>>10683441
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/358/6365/893
>It may be argued that the high temporal resolution achieved in attosecond experiments prevents any spectral accuracy and thus may affect the interpretation of experimental results. This is especially true when different processes can be induced simultaneously and lead to photoelectrons with kinetic energies within the bandwidth of the excitation pulse. In fact, the natural trade-off between temporal and spectral resolution may be circumvented, as beautifully shown in the visible spectrum using high-resolution frequency combs based on phase-stable femtosecond pulse trains

>>10683605
So quantum physics is tunnel vision resulting from discomplex experiments in an ill-advised bid to uncover a unified theory of everything.

>>10683612
It's worse than that but I don't want to blackpill you with my impressionistic appraisals and boring opinions. I just want to share this holy tome.
https://brilliantlightpower.com/book-download-and-streaming/

>>10683605
But that doesn't say the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is false. In fact it's saying the exact opposite. The higher resolution you make on the time component the less you have on the energies involved. That is literally the uncertainty relation [math]\Delta E \Delta t \geq \hbar[/math]

>>10683639
>I don't want to blackpill you
GTFO pill-popping /pol/esmoker

>>10684096
Lmao rent free. Post literally had nothing to do with /pol/ and you're driven to hysterics.

I think the JWST and the big terrestrial adaptive optics projects already underway are going to revolutionize our picture of the universe.
I'm certain we will be looking at other earths and will be seeing planets with living biosphere's all over

>>10684105
eh I guess the guy is referring to the blackpill portion of your reply, most of that shit comes from pol nowadays

>>10684165
based realist. i look forward to bottoming out on silicon transistor technology. legit 7nm proliferation, you are going to see some shit.

>>10683239
What are you, a popsci website? Fuck You.

>>10683239
>genetic engineering
>engineer people to be super-intelligent
>more scientific discoveries from these geniuses
It’s so close, but people are brainwashed to believe it’s not (((ethical)))

>>10683239
You got smartphone that has more power than the supercomputers of the 90s and can be bought for under $10 on ebay right now.

>>10683239
Science is fine. It's the scientific establishment that got cancer and then, before it could die naturally, it got kidnapped by the CIA who turned it into a reptilian alien at Dulce base before releasing it back into the public eye disguised as its old pre-cancerous self.

>>10686327
Oy vey

>>10686303
>you are going to see some shit.

what kind of shit?

Most R&D dollars going into increasing architecture efficiency instead of constantly reducing transistor sizes?

yeah, that's going to be a fun race.

I'd imagine that multithreading single processes is going to be the next step.

>>10686473
as in, coming up with a standardized software architecture that steamlines multithreading, and taking advantage of multiple cores.

>>10686475
The chip manufacturers aren't just going to shut up shop at 7nm. Have some faith in human ingenuity

>>10683239
Big inventions get silenced by greed, like these cool robots on youtube videos, where are they?
Nowhere, because somehow they believe the military should be the only ones to use them or they think what's the point if Joe Citizen can't give me a million shekels anyway.
I just used the robots as an example, many inventions are put down by greed IMO

Just like Tesla had ideas that never saw the light of day because of greed by his financiers

>>10683639
damn i was interested until it turned out to just be the shill for this /x/ shit

>>10683394
>I think the discovery of exoplanets is a BFD
>Wow other stars have planets too
>Major breakthrough discovery guise

Fucking retard.

Self driving cars are on the road and are very safe in most conditions.
If this was 1950s the car would already be for sale, as is safer than a lot of cars released on the market in those days

>>10686732
Its getting pretty close, My parents own a Tesla and I am blown away by the capability of it. I dont think its that far away desu.

>>10686737
It is just ridiculously tech intensive, not up on current specs, but one modal had 12/6 liquid cooled hard drives in the trunk, besides all the lider and cameras.
The hard thing is politiclly, people are retarded sometimes.
If 10 million human drivers get in 20,000 major crashes a year no one will care, but if 10 million computer drivers get in only 10,000 major crashes a year it will be alll over the news, everyone will demand they be taken off the road, Wes will spam "white teenagers killed by google a.i again today!" Never mind we halved the death rate, new is scary and good copy

>>10683239
artificial intelligence maybe?

>>10686732
brainlet answer to problem caused by brainlets

Why don't they just automate rail vehicles like trains ?

Biotechnology is exploding so fast the nucleotide read speed is making moores law look like a joke. You can today self-fund a process that cost like 6 billion dollars back then, mapping your genome. Crispr. Biofuels. Bacterial insulin. You're just an idiot, even the smartphone and internet has transformed society so much old sci-fi novels set in 1000 years look antiquated.

>>10686962
go the fuck away

Science died, get over it

god i can't wait until all easily accessible oil runs out long before renewable tech, alternatives for lubricant etc. catches up and all the technohomos realise it's over.

>>10686966
>Lalala I'm not listening science is dead lol
>look mom i posted my first b8 thread

>>10683239
Keep in mind the public interest in science has declined. If you want to see more innovation then the public interest needs to be there.

>>10686988
Where we're going, we don't need lube

>>10683239
Flying cars exist, they're called helicopters

>>10686329
To do what with?
>you can play Angry Birds on the toilet, that's innovation!

>>10683239
>Nothing of importance, scientifically, has happened in the past 20 years.

Nothing of importance, scientifically, has EVER happened.

>>10687265
Giving smartphones to chimps wont do anything. Give it to a smart chimp and he can rewrite the OS for the smartphone to compute the largest prime numbers.

>>10683239

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBi1h1Lxk3U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aLCWwLdelo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KKIhupUKDw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waMBY3qEA4

>>10683239
No, but any progress is going to require a couple of very painful and embarrassing steps backward.

>>10683401
The internet is the worst thing humans have ever come up with

>>10688847
we have to go back

>>10688847
>>10688891
>>10687514
>>10687006
>>10683554
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>>10683526
>>10683427
>>10686953
Listen here:
As much as social media is a fucking curse, it's honestly the defining factor of the Information Age (for the general public) and our species is just experiencing growing pains as they come to turns with their own stupidity and mortality - never before has such a dialog been possible. They'll figure it out, eventually, especially people who grew up communicating in this manner (20-30 year olds).
The result of the Information age, Human's cringey adolescent years, is basically a fuckton of data. Humans in the 1800's and 1900's were so god damn smart, they were literally ahead of their time. Neural Networks were invented in the 1950's, and only now 70 years later do they come to fruition as a useful tool. Seriously, this is a 70-year-old technology, but without the Information age to provide huge amounts of data, we never had a chance to train our Machine Learning models until know.
Once machine learning takes over everyone's jobs, we can unironically have a utopia where everyone is free to do what they please and make money from Robot's doing their work, 10x better, and for FREE

The AI age is definitely next "age" , and THAT is where we are going to see a fuckton of progress

>>10689055
>Machine Learning

Drones and touchscreens certainly seem like future tech. Add in 3D printing and cheap high efficiency solar and things get crazy.

Even back in 2003 seeing skynet drones in Terminator 3 it was hard to imagine how quickly the tech would arrive. Now it is hard to imagine a war without them.

>>10689087
Yes, being able to identify trends and clusters within unstructured data such as massive amounts of EEGs, medical data, etc. Is going to be critical for understanding the human brain and advancing AI
Machine Learning isn't the AI, it's the tool to parse through enough knowledge to be able to comprehend AI

>>10689087
>fine grained fractal structure
>statistics
Sure.

Are you sitting my cunt right now? There have been endless scientific advances, and science is just getting started. In fact, scientific discovery is accelerating at an insane rate, and the secrets of the universe are bottomless.

>>10689149
>In fact, scientific discovery is accelerating at an insane rate
Source

>>10683260
Despite all the advancements, the people making them, however smart they are, are nonetheless unable to find ways to apply their very specialized findings, due to the specialization that allowed them to make the findings in the first place.

>>10689509
My prediction: science, at least from a practical, mainstream perspective, will continue to stagnate because we’ve already found all the low hanging fruit, so to speak. If we can make it to ai, then innovation will flourish.

>>10683239
>I have been asleep the past 20 years
Welcome back, Rip Van Winkle.

>>10689513
this. I'm glad you found out quantum foam has a 50% probability of bringing my cock into existence 8.9 billion years ago

oh by the way i'm fucking dying of cancer. Oh that one is too hard for you? Seriously, """science""" is a meme except for the people who are actually doing something

>>10687035
Based and going-in-dry pilled

>all these people just talking about engineering advances and not science advances

>>10690780
------> >>10690574

>>10690780
The joke is that they used = instead of ==?

>>10690823
...yes

>>10683239
the people of tesla's time largely didn't know who he was
hell, most of us didn't until the internet got big

>>10683605
attosecond spectroscopy sounds like a meme to me.

>>10683246
>an entire generation needs to grow up "plugged in" to see the effect.
We're seeing the effects already, and they are almost all across-the-board bad

>>10691044
Tesla was known among anyone who wasn't white trash. Speak for yourself.

>>10683239
no, you just have to be part of the worlds black budget science department to get even a slight bit of knowledge of any new tech as its based on compeltely different worldviews and the tech need to be secret now because if literally anyone gets their hands and knowledge on it they can destroy the entire world

but its all a conspiracy myth ofcourse hahah .... haha .. yea

>>10683253
Will it allow me to download gigabytes of porn faster?

The dot-com bubble followed by iphone/social media killed innovation and investing for actual radical products, instead we get now get tiny marginal improvements every year or so but the form or function of the product hasn't really changed that much from the original

>>10683239
Are you fucking kidding me? Have you seen FUCKING SMARTPHONES? Can you even grasp how amazing is infinite information on your pocket and instant ways to share it? Jesus christ these people are spoiled

>>10696294

100% 3D printed pistol. It's a metal printing process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJyf1IrHtcE
The future is atomic assemblers than can fabricate anything. Shame none of us will be around to see it

>>10684096
lol kys faggot

>>10684105
>nothing to do with /pol/
Lrn2blackpill fgt pls

>>10697491
no U

>>10697491
U mad , not dead

Science is on the large criminal behaviour.

>>10697590
Science is completely alive!

>>10683239

>>10697599
Check'em

Don't forget ketchup in a squeeze bottle.

>>10697599
They'll destroy everything if we're not careful.

If you think they can't just use our research and tech to cobble weapons together, then you'd be wrong.

>>10683239
low hanging fruit got snapped up

>>10683347
Engineering is literally the only thing that matters.

>>10694680
>downloading porn

>>10683526
>implying there are more paradigm shifting discoveries to be made

Not saying there isn’t because who knows, but things we have discovered and evidenced are ‘sticky’ in a sense, meaning that now once we know something we know it with a reasonable amount of certainty. All I am implying is that there might be a limited amount of things to know.

>>10690780
Engineering is applied science. OP was talking about facebook/4G and using examples of flying cars. These are all engineering examples.

>>10683239
>>10683239
>Nothing of importance, scientifically, has happened in the past 20 years

internet becoming common, consumer VR, mobile phones, electric cars slowly going mainstream, reusable rocketry, machine learning, discovery of dark energy, higgs boson, gravitational wave observations..

centuries from now, this period will be viewed as when rapid progress was made

OP confirmed for ADHD riddled teen with attention span of a goldfish, sorry that science cannot deliver breakthroughs to you every day

>>10683239
Science, through electronics, has destroyed humanity and the human spirit. God must deploy a permanent EMP across the globe if we are to regain it. Go ahead, crucify me retards.

>>10698929
Humanity is just a transitional phase. Humans are characterized by the desire to go beyond their limitations, their "humanity". You shouldnt think of it as a bad thing, thats all.

>>10698929
I’ll start camping again and thinking about “muh philosophy” once disease is cured, turd. No reason to think about frivolous things until you have eternity to do so

>>10690574
Cancer and HIV not being curable is absurd. I mean compare it to splitting fucking atom. Figuring out the human body is supposed to be the easiest task given the abundance of material and comparative simplicity of the object.

>>10683605

>literally talks about having to find creative ways to circumvent trade-offs in temporal or spectral resolution
lol@thisretard

>>10683239
YOu whiny little BITCH. We're actually making artificial organisms and detecting hitherto purely theoretical particles now.

Not to mention a shitton fo stuff is likely not recognized as significant yet.

>>10699811
>Cancer
Is approaching curability faster than marijuana legalization is advancing in the US.
The main issue is that each cancer needs a slightly different therapy.
>HIV
Meh.
9 years, tops.
Clinical trials have already started.

>>10699811
I don't know how you think the atom is less simple than the human body.

>>10683239
Technology /= science.

>>10700167

Seems to me that if the complexity of an atom is x, then the complexity of two atoms must be 2X, of three atoms you get up to 3X.

Human body us said to have more than three atoms in it...

>>10688847
No the internet is the worlds greatest double edged sword, on the one hand it has helped to decrease government secrecy and has lead to many decent works of culture along with crippling the power the media has over public opinion to a more manageable extent. Right now more than ever different ideas are being toyed with, some ideas of which would have otherwise been foreign to everybody are now being considered by some of the more intelligent people (although that doesn’t mean that some of these otherwise fringe ideas aren’t just as retarded as the ideas of the former status quo). On the other hand technocrats and power structures are using it to further there own end by working to control the internet and the worst part of all is the epidemic that is pornography, whose constant free use is destroying the minds of our youth and retarding their sex drives by introducing otherwise repulsive fetishes and decreasing masculinity in men through the conditioning underlying all pornography and on top of that pornographic use among youth as young as 12 is now somewhat socially acceptable among the educated establishment. (The conditioning is not intentional on the foul creators of such things but simply how such unholy media naturally affects the mind)

Myspace existed before Facebook and was way better.

>>10683239
Empirical sciences went off the rails 80 years ago. What you're experiencing is a world built off of 80 years researching smoke and mirrors.

>>10683239
>What is Human Genome, Higgs Boson, Gravitational Waves, Black hole pic (Inb4 it's not), discovery of countless exoplanets, New Horizons mission, Curiosity...
Faggot

>>10701788
>Faggot
Why the homophobia?

>>10689151
The first light bulb was invented just over 100 years ago. For comparison, humans have been walking the earth for over 300,000 years.

Now almost everybody living in the first world posses a tiny computer in their pocket more powerful than the tech that put humans on the moon (60 years ago btw), which can also access a massive database of human knowledge and culture.

The human technological timescale is incredibly fast compared to basically everything else that has ever happened.

>>10694680
yes, in fact in can download multiple things at the same time without changing download speed

>>10683239
Fucking retard, youre talking about engineering.
we have tons of scientific discoveries all the time.

>>10699811
t. not a biochemist

>>10683239
>I'm uninformed and thus assume nothing has happened, the post.

>>10700393
Those smoke and mirrors sure seem awfully useful.

>>10699839
HIV drugs already suppress the virus to incredible lengths.

>>10699811
Biological organisms aren't simple, you pseud.
Not to mention, organisms, even in the same species can react differently to chemicals, due to the randomness of genetic reproduction and expression.
Which is why you get "rare side effects" that don't impact the majority of people, but do impact some outliers with novel mutations.

>>10683239
>Facebook
>Science
Moron.

>>10700369
>nofap brainlet

>>10683239
we need another paradigm shift

>>10700232
The scaling isn't linear, it's closer to n^2 for a lot of systems since a lot of bullshit is interacting

>>10701791
Nigger

>>10694680
In the quantum realm, you are both gay and not gay for looking at trap porn.