/sci/ - Science & Math

Nice thread. Let's pick up where we left.

https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10134451/#10134451
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10662933/#10662933

>What, then, are You, O my God — what, I ask, but the Lord God? For who is Lord but the Lord? Or who is God save our God? Most high, most excellent, most potent, most omnipotent; most piteous and most just; most hidden and most near; most beauteous and most strong, stable, yet contained of none; unchangeable, yet changing all things; never new, never old; making all things new, yet bringing old age upon the proud and they know it not; always working, yet ever at rest; gathering, yet needing nothing; sustaining, pervading, and protecting; creating, nourishing, and developing; seeking, and yet possessing all things.
>bringing old age upon the proud and they know it not

>>10666304
thank u

>>10666257
How do I stop aging

>>10666509
freeze yourself

>>10666509
1) Edit our genes
2) Change environment
3) Both

>>10666578
kay brb

>>10666589
>Edit our genes
is there any hope for gene editing prior to early stage development?

why is mtor activation bad in terms of aging?

What part of humans age the slowest

>>10666594
I don't know

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/aubrey-de-grey-getting-more-optimistic-on-life-extension/

>The techies may answer that even if almost all biological species are eliminated eventually, many species survive for thousands or millions of years, so maybe techies too can survive for thousands or millions of years. But when large, rapid changes occur in the environment of biological species, both the rate of appearance of new species and the rate of extinction of existing species are greatly increased. Technological progress constantly accelerates, and techies like Ray Kurzweil insist that it will soon become virtually explosive; consequently, changes come more and more rapidly, everything happens faster and faster, competition among self-prop systems becomes more and more intense, and as the process gathers speed the losers in the struggle for survival will be eliminated ever more quickly. So, on the basis of the techies' own beliefs about the exponential acceleration of technological development, it's safe to say that the life-expectancies of human-derived entities, such as man-machine hybrids and human minds uploaded into machines, will actually be quite short. The seven-hundred-year or thousand-year life-span to which some techies aspire is nothing but a pipe-dream.

Is Ted right?

>>10666671
At large, yes. It very pronounced with social media right now. It makes a big chunk of the males to remove themselves from the gene pool. Relationships are becoming increasingly polygynous, and gradually fewer men reproduce (selection pressure increase and evolution speeds up). Let's hope we are breeding for the right features.

>>10666715
>Let's hope we are breeding for the right features.
We aren't.

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/nor-breeding-their-best/
http://www.unz.com/akarlin/eloi-morlocks/

>>10666671
>Thought the best way of getting message across was the death of people just working their jobs trying to make a living
No

>>10666671
This Ray Kurzweil chimp better be right

I want to be an immortal cyborg NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW

>>10666738
>As for our constitutional rights, consider for example that of freedom of the press. We certainly don’t mean to knock that right; it is very important tool for limiting concentration of political power and for keeping those who do have political power in line by publicly exposing any misbehavior on their part. But freedom of the press is of very little use to the average citizen as an individual. The mass media are mostly under the control of large organizations that are integrated into the system. Anyone who has a little money can have something printed, or can distribute it on the Internet or in some such way, but what he has to say will be swamped by the vast volume of material put out by the media, hence it will have no practical effect. To make an impression on society with words is therefore almost impossible for most individuals and small groups. Take us (FC) for example. If we had never done anything violent and had submitted the present writings to a publisher, they probably would not have been accepted. If they had been been accepted and published, they probably would not have attracted many readers, because it’s more fun to watch the entertainment put out by the media than to read a sober essay. Even if these writings had had many readers, most of these readers would soon have forgotten what they had read as their minds were flooded by the mass of material to which the media expose them. In order to get our message before the public with some chance of making a lasting impression, we’ve had to kill people.

Can you really argue against this?

>>10666750
Yes

>>10666796
Go on

>>10666738
> Disregarding possibly the hottest oomer take in modern times for childish reasons

>>10666918
+b

>>10666509
this won't make you ageless, but it should help
low iron intake
low chloride intake
low calcium/magnesium ratio
may take manganese and copper to prevent oxidative damage and boost the immune system, but there is a considerable risk of overdose
may need some rare earth metals, the research is in infancy

>>10666578
this

>>10666578
kys

Does aging affect the taste of your poop?

>>10667484
kek

>>10666725
>Brazil in a bad situation
As a Brazilian, I'm not suprised at the slightest.

>>10666940
How to obtain sodium then?

>>10666725
>>10668539

Plant based diet

Dont stay too long in the sun (sun screen causes cancer however)

exercise with high intensity

dont drink or smoke

only eat healthy fats (think avocados, seeds, nuts)

ditch animal products

challenge yourself mentally and physically

socialize/have social supports/family etc

>>10666628

the feet because they are closer to the center of gravity.

>>10668691

>Plant based diet

Can't get quality protein from plants. Hard to get available iron too.

Over-consumption of green vegetables can lead to problems such as kidney stones.

>Dont stay too long in the sun

Most people don't spend enough time in the sun. Vitamin D deficiency, unconstrained bacteria growth on skin, and depression are the outcomes of this.

>only eat healthy fats (think avocados, seeds, nuts)

The key factor is omega 3 to omega 6 ratio. Omega 3 good, omega 6 bad. Nuts, etc. have significantly more omega 6 than omega 3, wiping out the benefits. All it's doing is making you fat, and the evidence is pointing towards the fact that high-energy-density foods of which fats are no. 1 are what's making people obese.

>ditch animal products

Animals are the only source of quality protein.

Fish, in particular Salmon, is one of the few sources of omega 3 with little omega 6.

Red meat is the best source of available iron.

>>10666322
What did they mean by this?

>>10668543
There are other sources of sodium besides table salt. glutamate, bicarbonate, etc. and you actually don't need that much.

>>10668749
plants provide enough protein
too much iron is harmful
too much vitamin d is as bad as too little
depression is usually magnesium deficiency or calcium overload
omegas are a scam.

>>10668749
>Can't get quality protein from plants
Beans dude

>>10668764
>>10669029
Vegan internet defence force right on cue

>>10668543
Food has enough sodium on its own

>>10669029
and lentils and seeds and nuts

>>10668764
>depression is usually magnesium deficiency or calcium overload
Kek! Source?

>>10670522
No it's true, I heard it somewhere.

>>10666509
Ill show you later

I thought ageing was caused by a single type of protein, why cant we just study that for like 10 years and cure ageing ?

>>10671053
>I heard it somewhere.
Sounds legit dude. I mean, nutritional deficiencies often fucks you up, and a certain amount of fucking might make you sad and miserable, but the specific statement that most cases of Major Depressive Disorder in the well-fed west is actually magnesium deficiency is something that I would need to proper source on to believe.

Magnesuim deficiency seems bad though, but I cannot see depression a direct symptom on wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_deficiency#Signs_and_symptoms
However, I know that depression is a direct symptom of deficiency of several other vitamins, for example vitamin D or B12.

> calcium overload
This I can actually verify, as depression is listed as a symptom on wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercalcaemia
But it seems that it's hard to acheive this state in conjunction with magnesium deficiency because mag.def. is often associated with low calcium levels.

>>10671156
Cont.
>This I can actually verify
That doesn't mean I have verified it's one of the main causes of MDD, which is your original statement.

>>10671156
>I cannot see depression a direct symptom on wikipedia
Keep looking, it's there somewhere my dude

>>10671156
>>10671160
Cont.

Reading this page now:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_of_depression

> Factors spanning these causative groups include nutritional deficiencies in magnesium, vitamin D, and tryptophan with situational origin but biological impact.

The page lists a lot of other biological factors too. And there's psychological, societal or situational factors to depression as well. Hence, it seems that the statement
>depression is usually magnesium deficiency or calcium overload
is not easily defended.

Anyways, I've recently started taking magnesium supplements for better sleep (and possble also for depression now?), and I am pretty sure I do not have hypercalcemia. I also take vit D. and B12, but I eat a nontrivial amount of fish/meat/eggs, so I don't think B12 is a problem. Thanks for sharing still if you did not have proper sources.

Important to note that hypervitamintosis D can lead to hypercalcemia, so take vitamin D supplements in moderation.

To return to topic of aging. Both hypo- and hypervitamintosis D is associated with premature aging.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_D#Premature_aging

Studies with mice show that intermittent fasting reduces ischemic injury to the cardiovascular and neurologic body systems (e.g. heart attack and stroke). One study demonstrated increased life span of rats by intermittent fasting, by up to 20% in males, with the optimal regimen being fasting one day out of every three. As far as I know, intermittent fasting is the only method of prolonging lifespan with any actual scientific evidence behind it.

>>10666940
Also, wear a thin layer of sunscreen everyday, moisturize and drink enough water. Also, avoid fast food, booze, smoking, psychological stress (including depression), and do at least 30 minutes of cardio everyday

>>10668764
>too much vitamin d is as bad as too little
the body controls the generation of vit D from sunlight, you can literally never get too much D from the sun
and even when getting it through supplementation you can blast retarded amounts and be pretty okay

>>10671062
aging is caused by literally every process in your body not being calibrated to remain in the okay zone indefinitely
I bet many processes are even evolved to kill you faster, just because they confer an advantage before the negative effects kick in.

>>10666671
Professor Ted is right about pretty much everything. That is why he went mad.

>>10668691
I've been doing good until
>socialize/have social supports/family etc
Fuck.

>>10668691
Even doing all this you only add a few years, and those added years are when you are already very old.

We do not want to live longer in an old body, we want to be old in a young body.

All the diet and nutrition in the world will at most only add a few years (healthier yes, but a health 90 year old is still pathetic compared to the average 30 year old)

>>10668638
As Japanese person I have to laugh at this image. Japan has some of the worst education possible. Everything is memorization. There is no actual thinking skills. I got equivalent of MSc Engineering in Japan and it was invalid internationally. I had to reeducate myself in USA before I could work as an international engineer.

Fuck Japan school system this image is flawed.

>>10668638
if you remove spics and nigs the US would be much closer to other european states

>>10673630
If you remove nigs and arabs from Europe they would then be even higher again so the difference would be the same.

>>10673636
This is true. I think the arabs may contribute with a signiificant decrease in mean IQ throughout Europe. At least in the Northern part, anyways. Without no good Muslims invading us for welfare benefits and a life of absolute slack, there would be less social problems here and a mean IQ of ~10 points higher

>>10666257
drinking 3-4 liters of water a day is absolutely essential.

>>10673656
why?

>>10674591
see, your body is 70 percent water... and daddy's thirsty.

>>10669117
Hahahahaha wow man A+ response lmao no coming back from that one lol

>>10671355
>As far as I know, intermittent fasting is the only method of prolonging lifespan with any actual scientific evidence behind it.
Calorie restriction
Protein restriction

>>10675618
>Protein restriction
No muscle gains then?

>>10675725
Maybe TRU

>>10666509
Your body already knows how to stop aging, it's called cancer.

>>10668638
>Norway, Denmark and Finland all above 500
>Tfw Swedish

>>10668691
worst post so far, this is literally information i get from boomer tier magazines.

>>10668691
>Plant based diet
>*only* eat avocados, seeds, nuts
>ditch animal products

It's like you encourage the chemical castration of men. We don't want to look like this.<<<<

>>10666509
stop eating during the winter.

>>10668691
>sun screen causes cancer however
retard