/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10656665
>Daily reminder that climate change is good.
It would be good if it were real.

Africa being destroyed means billions of refugees flooding into Eurasia, retard.

> russia and Canada experience significant gains while the burgers get to starve
I approve

>implying that anyone can predict what will happen when the global temperature raises a couple degrees with enough accuracy to make a reasonable prediction to the economic future of all countries on the planet

>>10656665
>mass-death
>good
Cringe desu

>>10656685
>mass death of Africans
>had
>>>/reddit/

Why are all you shills shitting up the science board?

Sage

>>10656887
Online article that was published in Nature showing that global warming=GDP growth for most Northern Hemisphere, deal with it

https://web.stanford.edu/~mburke/climate/map.php

>>10656665
>>10656955
economy is not science or math.

>>10656955
Do you understand that GDP has historically increased at an exponential rate and that doubling over 100 years is considered abysmal growth?

Daily reminder that the Tick population and Lyme disease are increasing because of climate change and will cripple the health infrastructure.

>>10656665
>There are no other consequences

Retard

>>10656722
>lol xD I’m cool edgy racist sociopath trying to make severe mental illness cool

>>10656665
So, like 90% of the world population is worse off?

>>10657014
LOL BUT OBLY BROWN PEOPLE XD LOL

>>10657014
Yep, and instead of migrating en masse to any remotely habitable country they're just going to lay down and die quietly. Isn't that nice?

>>10657022
The year is 2130. The New Chinese Empire and their allies in the East Africa Federation and the Neo-Mauryan Commonwealth have declared war on the Slavic Confederacy to annex fertile Siberian territory to feed their collective populations of 4.5 billion. Little did they know that the resulting war would trigger a nuclear conflict which would destroy any ability Gaia had left to sustain humanity, and we began a slow crawl into extinction. The last humans died in 2280 on the island of Cuba due to complications from severe inbreeding.

>>10656665
no way does it harm the US too, thats overly pessimistic, the northeast and midwest IE real America will be better off

>>10656665
the highest calorie density crop, maize, is expected to see universally lower crop yields at all latitudes and the soil quality in northern europe, siberia and northern canada is atrocious and all of these regions are extremely underdeveloped, unsuited for being made use of as bread baskets for even just north america and europe. Bringing up the countless constrains this will cause just on the global financial and international security networks is meaningless when the fundamental argument you present is retarded and based in not understanding regional variance in farming productivity or capacity for supporting large scale export of staples to huge populations.

>>10657048
>Droughts in the place we grow all the food

>>10657048
North America, if you actually bothered to read the gov reports from this past year, is not expected to benefit at all from climate change even in the early-mid 21st century; canada and northern europe are for a short period sometime between 2040-2070 and then the returns diminish to negligibly small marginal gains by 2100 as temperature continues to climb well into the 22nd centuy

>>10657049
>So, like 90% of the world population is worse off?
they don’t contribute much to civilization anyway

>>10657049
>is expected to see universally lower crop
maybe in your shitty third world country

>>10657049
>the soil quality in northern europe, siberia and northern canada is atrocious and all of these regions are extremely underdeveloped

Actually soil in places like Poland,Belarus,Germany is quite good, these are huge food producers and their crop yields are expected to rise by 30-50%, cattle and poultry production is going to rise too

>>10657063
The top of that image literally says global crop yields will decrease. Do you get paid to post here or are you just afraid of change?

>>10657070
>says global crop yields will decrease
and nobody gives rats ass about India, Poojet
that’s the point

>>10657072
You will when they come to take your shit, moron

>>10657074
good luck crossing 6000 miles when you are starving kek,
also we will just give more machine guns to the border guards

It gets better kek


https://www.climate.gov/news-features/featured-images/mild-weather-losses-climate-change-wont-be-shared-equally
>Due to rising heat and humidity from climate change, large areas of Africa, Asia, and Latin America could see their mild days fall anywhere from 15 to more than 50 days per year by 2100. Of all the cities the scientists looked at, Lima, Peru—situated directly West of the Andes Mountains—was projected to have the highest loss. The South American city could see 114 fewer mild days by end of century.

Meanwhile, higher latitudes of North America, Europe, and Asia may gain up to 15 days of mild weather per year.

>>10657084
That's not going to be effective

>>10657063
>red
>mostly food producing regions
>green
>mostly not food producing regions
>between present and 2050
what a fucking awful outlook for the future.

>>10657104
Yep. Apparently lower crop yields, lower GDP growth, and massive immigration are all good things

>>10657104
>>red
>mostly food producing regions
Poland, Canada, Germany and Belarus produce more food than whole Africa.

>>10657135
And all of those combined produce less food than America which is going to take a significant hit

Why are these shills so desperate?

>>10657004
>severe mental illness
there’s nothing cool about reddit

>>10656665
this would matter if we weren’t all going to be dead by the time it was really a problem.

>>10656672
>Africa being destroyed means billions of refugees flooding into Eurasia, retard.
All we have to do is not let them in, duh. Kill all liberal-left, set up gun turrets on borders, voila.

Please let's not engage with the boomer. He won't go away. The best way to piss him off is ignore him. If you want to engage, do it with other scientifically literate anons.

>>10657150
I don't think you understand how large of a border that is or the magnitude of the resources that would take. You literally can't do it

>>10657156
We ware able to do it for hundreds of years and now we cant, even with robots & satelites? Please. Also, minefields are cheap.

>>10657162
Ideally we would reduce our GHG emissions and eventually reverse climate change.
In the short term we can only do the first one and prepare for the already changing climate.

>>10657162
Illegal immigration has not been stopped last I checked and those immigrants are a small fraction of their countries population. You'll be defending hundreds of thousands of miles from thousands of refugees on a daily basis.

Can you even do the math to estimate how much fuel that just the logistics would require?

>>10657172
And then if we ever manage to revert our climate, we might have to re-engineer all the flora and fauna and basically all the whole wilderness that got fucked up because of it.

>>10657173
What fuel. You put patroll ships on the paths of smugglers, and soldiers on borders.
Illegal immigrants cannot enter Poland, Hungary, and few other countries. Turkey lets them in only to send them to EU and to blackmail EU for money.
Seriously, stopping people from crossing border is very easy.
They flood Europe not because of technical problems, but political decisions.

>Russia
>profiting off anything but oil
Fake and gay

>>10657188
>He doesn't think vehicles need fuel to move
What a fucking moron. What possessed you to come to a science board?

>>10657193
...your argument literally boils down to, “the border patrol vans need gas”...don’t you see how silly that sounds

>>10657192
http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/365/1554/2973#ref-62

In mid and high latitudes, the suitability and productivity of crops are projected to increase and extend northwards, especially for cereals and cool season seed crops (Maracchi et al. 2005; Tuck et al. 2006; Olesen et al. 2007). Crops prevalent in southern Europe such as maize, sunflower and soya beans could also become viable further north and at higher altitudes (Hildén et al. 2005; Audsley et al. 2006; Olesen et al. 2007). Here, yields could increase by as much as 30 per cent by the 2050s, dependent on crop (Alexandrov et al. 2002; Ewert et al. 2005; Richter & Semenov 2005; Audsley et al. 2006; Olesen et al. 2007). For the coming century, Fisher et al. (2005) simulated large gains in potential agricultural land for the regions such as the Russian Federation, owing to longer planting windows and generally more favourable growing conditions under warming, amounting to a 64 per cent increase over 245 million hectares by the 2080s. However, technological development could outweigh these effects, resulting in combined wheat yield increases of 37–101% by the 2050s (Ewert et al. 2005)

>>10657173
>You'll be defending hundreds of thousands of miles from thousands of refugees on a daily basis.
How are starving Poojets going to
A-cross 5000 miles to get to Poland
B-fight off armed drone swarms and machine wielding border guards?

>>10657193
I said transporting soldiers & equipment to defend the borders is the least of my problems when preping for mass-immigration wave. And stopping smugglers by seavcan be done with already existing forces.
Ok lets just stop, this is /sci/ not /pol/

>>10657198
You're argument either boils down to "ships and transport vehicles don't need fuel" or "fuel doesn't cost anything". You are pants on head retarded.

>>10657201
1. They won't be starving yet
2. They also have guns and vehicles
3. You can't patrol every point of a border that large. They will get through.

>>10657202
Then you clearly have not done the math.

>>10657201
If you have to resort to racism you don't really have an argument.

>>10657209
>. They won't be starving yet
So they will cross 5000 miles not starving? How?
>They also have guns and vehicles
Impoverished refugees fleeing famine 5000 miles have a functioning logistical chain that allows them to keep a full fledged armies on different continent? How?
> You can't patrol every point of a border that large. They will get through.
Of course we can, we did it before under communism and it worked.

>>10657204
It’s not that hard to defend a border dufus. Most countries already pay for militaries that sit around doing nothing most of the time, those forces could be repurposed to defend the border against browns and poos.

>>10657218
>If you have to resort to racism you don't really have an argument.
DAS RAYCIST!

>>10657199
too bad food markets are global

>>10657223
Yes you are racist and your basic racist rhetoric isn't a convincing argument for any sane human being. You can only use it amongst nutjobs on the Internet.

As far as I'm concerned, I would rather kill you than let an Indian suffer because of your ignorance. I bet most people would be on my side.

>>10657219
>Imagine being this retarded
They aren't going to wait until the last second and they'll probably start way before your government can justify the massive expenses that you seem incapable of grasping.

>>10657220
>"Yeah huh"
Do some math and then get back to me.

>>10656665
True, the United States will have plenty of food and the termperature and flooding impacts shouldn’t be too severe. Climate change is literally a third world problem.

>>10657232
>third worlders will easily be able to marshall the military resources necessary to take down technologically superior first world militaries and penetrate their borders
Proofs?

>>10656672
Africa not being destroyed means billions of refugees flooding into Eurasia, retard.

>>10657236
The US is going to be the worst impacted first world country.
Most people already live in borderline inhabitable regions. All those people are going to migrate to the better climate regions. Enjoy all the chimping out that is going to result from that.
Your latitudes are too low. Your agriculture is already suffering today.
You are the only western country which suffers natural disasters on a yearly basis.
Your people are already at each other's throat and your government is corrupt and incompetent an the only way they know how to solve a problem is with violence i.e. boots on the ground.
I could easily see your shithole of a country descend into mass unrest and a state of perpetual emergency like Venezuela is right now.

>>10657240
You don't have to worry about third worlders. If shit gets bad enough I will personally put a bullet in your skull you piece of shit human being.
I don't want to share my

>>10657240
>Imagine being this retarded
They're not going to come in with a military to overthrow your nation, shitwit. It will not be an organized engagement between nations. They will be individuals attempting to survive at any cost. Most of them won't even be violent until food becomes scarce in your country too

>>10657242
It also means the global economy going tits ups plus lots of war everywhere.

>>10657245
At least they get what they deserve. The south is also going to be impacted the worst.
Cannot wait for Trump and his billionaire friends to build a wall around long island to keep out all the retarded Trumpsters that voted for him.

>>10657242
>Africa not being destroyed means billions of refugees flooding into Eurasia, retard.
Most of them will die anyway and if shit hits the fun they will be killed by Turkey and naval patrols anyway.It's not a question of lacking ability, but will.

>>10656665

>there are people in this thread that would turn their "white" countries into a totalitarian dystopias just to keep out migrants.

I will never not laugh at the brainlets who congregate on board

>>10657228
>Yes you are racist and your basic racist rhetoric isn't a convincing argument for any sane human being.
Any sane human being knows that there are differences between races, sorry
>>10657225
>too bad food markets are global
Actually Europe is self-sufficient in terms of food supply.
Africa could literally disappear tomorrow and we would still have enough food to eat ourselves into American obesity levels.

>>10657259
If only there was will to fix climate change instead of being genocidal sociopaths.
If only we could do something that benefits everyone.
But no, we have to be racist nutjobs instead because we are boomers who shart in the mart.

>>10657265
Disgusting excuse for a human being.

>>10657266
>If only there was will to fix climate change instead of being genocidal sociopaths.
Why fix it? It is beneficial to my country.
Also climate always changes and current change can't be stopped anyway.
>If only we could do something that benefits everyone.
Helping Africa, Middle East and India actually harms civilization everywhere.

>>10657265
>Actually Europe is self-sufficient in terms of food supply.
Food markets are still global. If everywhere else the food suddenly becomes very scarce, the food in Europe, self-sufficient or not, will explode in price. All the foreign billionaires will buy up all the food in Europe and you'll be left licking the salt in your tears.

>>10657264
strict immigration policy does not make a country into a totalitarian dystopia at all, as the rights of the citizens do not need to be restricted for it, only so-called rights of the aliens

>>10657270
>bring up facts
>Disgusting excuse for a human being.
don't forget to dilate lol

>>10657273
Keeping you alive harms civilization.

In 2050 I'll be running for office on the platform of confiscating climate deniers property and giving it to immigrants. be sure to vote for me.

>>10657266
>If only there was will to fix climate change
without large scale nuclear deployment, there is not

>>10657278
>All the foreign billionaires will buy up all the food in Europe and you'll be left licking the salt in your tears.
Actually in case of food scarcity/emergency government would introduce safety measures and control prices plus buyouts.
Poland alone produces wheat alone enough to feed 100 million people, deal with it.

>>10657285
You are a disgusting excuse for a human being.
The fact that we are anons on 4chan does not somehow protect you from that fact. We both know how your opinions would be received among the general public.

>>10657286
You seem really upset. The simple fact is that climate change isn’t a big deal for wealthy countries, we have the resources to deal with it.

>>10657287
>In 2050 I'll be running for office on the platform of confiscating climate deniers property and giving it to immigrants. be sure to vote for me.
>implying anyone will immigrate to India

>>10656665
>Keeps Africa in the demographic trap
>Greater Chinese influence in Africa
>Europe loses out to China anyway
>2200 we're all living under Chinese pseudo-Communist rule without a right to vote against the decision to genocide the whites
Sounds great

>>10657292
>beneficial for my country
>AKCTULLY WE"LL HAVE FOOD RATIONING AND EMERGENCY MEASURE
Not very smart, are you?

>>10657293
> We both know how your opinions would be received among the general public.
Have you ever been to Poland? Politicians shit on refugees on national tv.

>>10657265
>>10657273
>>10657292
>>10657294
literal bugperson. do you happen to have chinese ancestry?

>>10657283

lmao is what you think?
that's cute

>>10657299
learn to read with comprehension you dumb fuck

>>10657299
In case of emergency yes.
But there won't be one.Food production will increase by about 30%-40% making farmers rich and population well fed at the same time.

>>10657294
That's not true at all. The best case leaves you with a crippled economy and ignores the massive immigration crisis.

>>10657294
I am not upset because I know you are a singular nutjob with no power.
I am just voicing my opinion of you, as I would if we were talking face to face. Just because I am on 4chan does not mean that I have to pretend that I am a sociopath because of peer pressure for a bunch of nutjob racists.

>>10657308
except that economy of more northern lying countries will not be crippled at all, in fact it may even improve

>>10657245
Imagine thinking this! The great majority of the US is arable land. The only big population centers that aren’t are far Southern California, the Southwest, and parts of South Florida. The US if anything is far better equipped to deal with climate change because our economy is so healthy in comparison to feeble Europe. We have a steady labor supply thanks to the poors and browns congregating at our border. We also have room to raise taxes by a lot to pay for the costs of climate change, whereas places like France are already chimping out because they’re taxed at 90% to pay for dem programs.

>>10657305
>>10657306
You can pretend to be a nutjob racist boomer. That you can do well. But you cannot pretend to be smart, because you aren't.

>>10657309
>>10657303
SEETHING

>>10657312
>except that economy of more northern lying countries will not be crippled at all, in fact it may even improve

EU scientists were forced to come to the same conclusion
https://ec.europa.eu/jrc/sites/jrcsh/files/task_03_agriculture_final_v3.pdf

The response of crops to climate change is more complex for rain-fed agriculture. In this case, yields are dominated by regional water availability. Some regions and crops see increases in yields with climate change, others see decreases(Figure 1). On the one hand, afavourable pattern emergesin Eastern Europefor all crops modelled, both when the CO2 fertilisation effect is excluded, and when it is included. There are some large yield increases relative to now, such as over 30% for wheat and maize.On the other hand, an adverse pattern emerges in Southern Europe.

>>10657315
not an argument, is this the level of discourse we want to cultivate here

>>10657312
>Imagine being this retarded
Every source I've seen has the best economies less than doubling over 100 year. Do you know what the current doubling period is?

>>10656665
>World war 3 will be the vast majority of the world's population vs a bunch of low energy whites.
I guess maybe it won't be that bad.

>>10657315
>You can pretend to be a nutjob racist boomer. That you can do well. But you cannot pretend to be smart, because you aren't
>"They don't think it be like it is, but it do

>>10657314
>our economy is so healthy
True, but there needs to be political will and unity, both of which you lack. Europe is rich enough. We will manage because we can understand sacrifice in times of need. You people cannot.

>>10657322
being a racist is not an argument, either

>>10657339
not an argument

>>10657339
Have sex.

>all this sperging out from a Pole
Come back when your economy matters, lol. Your country contributes less than 1%. Farting cows are more relevant than your shithole country.

>>10657251
>>10657259
>>10657266
Do you retards even pay attention to what goes in the world?

>>10657374
pooland superpower by 2050. kek

>"europe becomes a powerhouse again" because it's flooded with literally billions of african refugees

neoliberal economics in action

>>10656975
Do you understand reading?
The map clearly states that it’s compared to a world in 2100 WITHOUT climate change.

>>10657374
Reminds me of small time farmers protesting regulations that they are exempt from (because they are too small to matter) or dumbass retards protesting inheritance taxes that they are also exempt from because they are too poor.

These rightwing nutjobs always have these delusions of grandeur, believing they are more relevant than they actually are.

>>10656665
>implying Europe isn't 90% African by then

>>10657173
Don't need to, nukes exist.

>>10657339
>w-w-w-wayyyycism ;________;

reddit

>>10657409
Seems like you are failing to keep this thread going as you please, Mr. Pathetic Boomer.
What other kind of nutjobbery do you want to peddle. This climate change denier stuff is getting old.
Maybe we can change the subject to something else.

>>10656672
What is wrong with that? Haven’t you heard the brain drain concept?

>>10657420
the US government is purposefully accelerating climate change to create a global catastrophe so devastating that it warrants absolute martial law and mass eugenics

>>10657427
Nice, so we are pro-immigration now?
Good, good, very good.
Open the Gates, Merkel and Macron.

>>10657430
US government is not a thing. Only low IQ boomers believe that the US government is some single minded entity. It's a clusterfuck of corrupt bureaucrats.

>>10657435
>he doesnt know

yikes!

1. Wind all along the coasts.
2. Solar in southern Europe.
3. Use hydro as primarily energy storage.
4. France keeps developing and exporting nuclear plants.
5. Cars banned from city centres everywhere, only public transport in cities.
6. Fossil fuels banned for private use.
7. Carbon tax.
8. HVDC all over Europe and upgrade of the grid everywhere.
9. Energy efficiency is made a priority in every sector of society.
10. Whatever agriculture techniques are mandated to deal with climate change and not risk crop failure.

Cannot wait, bois. It's going to be so fucking exciting.

>>10657453
A lot of manufacturing can also be re-scheduled to better work with intermittent energy sources.

>>10657453
Trains over planes is also a good way to curb emissions.

>>10657453
>literally hundreds of millions die in the great fossil fuel war
>burgers are forced to join halliburton and exxon PMCs to afford to eat

>>10657467
What with Europe? Lol. We will just subvert the country and cause a civil war. Americans are dummies.

>>10657471
As an American, I agree with this being a pretty effective solution. Americans are far too divided in their ideologies to side with one another when things become polarized.

>>10657453
>6. Fossil fuels banned for private use.
>7. Carbon tax.
It will be nice to see you overthrown and hanged on a lamp post by rioters.

>>10657104
>planting new crops is completely impossible and can never be done

>>10656665
See this is a perfect example of information that really needs to be suppressed hard, because if this shit becomes common knowledge there's no way this is going to go even remotely peacefully.
It's not even like literally all hope is lost for the negatively affected regions either. Perfectly good land management and reforestation programs can counter shit like erosion, and it's not like floods or droughts are some kind of apocalypse either. Unless the entire world system breaks down and the world falls into a new wave of fascism there will also be international aid.

>>10657199
Most of Siberia is already arable South of the Arctic Circle. Growing season is short, yeah. But flax, potatoes, and onions(not a filter) grow just fine there. Alongside several wild but edible plants which could easily be domesticated. If Russia wanted to be an agricultural powerhouse, they would be.

>>10657453
>Cars banned from city centres everywhere, only public transport in cities.

Dear god no.

>>10657084
>Muh border guards

India would literally fight a war of annihilation to keep itself alive.

>>10657854
Retards like certain orange people are not interested in helping Somalians not starve to death.