/sci/ - Science & Math

>>10637622
>noy man vs air douche

>>10637622
I dislike such bait threads but I would go with Neumann because Erdos, despite being famously acclaimed, achieved most of his results only in collaboration with others.

>>10637622
Erdos of course. The prosocial Chad sperg. A true hero.

>>10637622
Problem with Von Memeian was that he very strongly advocated for the cultural extinction/genocide of the Japanese people during WWII, a particularily barbaric position that even US generals at the time discarded as too extreme. For example there was some kind of holy city in Japan that Von Memeian had calculated would absolutely erase the Jap cultural identity should it be nuked as it contained most of their history, scholars, shinto shrines etc. If you read his letters and history in WWII he goes from likeable genius to /pol/ Jewish stereotype thirsting for genocide in a few paragraphs.

>>10638252
>holy city in Japan that Von Memeian had calculated would absolutely erase the Jap cultural identity should it be nuked

>Destroy 1 city
>wtf I have no culture now

>>10638279
>>10638252

>>10637649
And? Erdos was a genius who could figure most of anything out by himself, but the reason he collaborated with people is because it was the only way he knew how to socialize. That man lived and breathed mathematics, and he was willing to share authorship with anyone provided they indulged in his fantasies.

>>10638252
Source? I honestly remember reading von Neumann like most at Los Alamos did not have good insight into the targets for the bombs.

>>10638279
Look up his reasoning yourself, Neumann didn't just willy nilly advocate for nuking the cultural capital Kyoto, he argued with complex reasonsing in meetings with US generals about it how it would eventually lead to genocide of Jap culture as we know it. Keep in mind Neumann is a genius who thinks in multiple steps and you're a brainlet so you may not understand.

>>10638279
>>10638279
Look up his reasoning yourself, Neumann didn't just willy nilly advocate for nuking the cultural capital Kyoto, he argued with strong propositions in meetings with US generals about it how it would eventually lead to genocide of Jap culture as we know it. Keep in mind Neumann is a genius who thinks in multiple steps and you're a brainlet so you may not understand.

>>10638332
It's indicated on his wikipedia page. Can't find the letters though.

Agreed with the others talking about von Neumann, I don't remember the details but I recently read Turing's Cathedral (which really is about von Neumann way more than Turing) and he comes across as a scientific genius but one who was really politically brainwashed. I got the feeling he just wanted to be American so badly that he jumped into the propaganda wholeheartedly.

>>10638252
If this is true it would make me love Von Neumann even more.

It's one of the biggest regrets that we didn't annihilate both Japan and China from the face of the planet.

Von neumann being a true AMERICAN just makes him better.

>>10639799
any examples that made you come to this conclusion?

I don't think you can compare geniuses like this.
I suspect there are some problems at which either of them would be better than the other.

>>10638252
Not that I think Von Neumann was right, but maybe he was just disgusted by the Japanese culture of the time, which, by our moral standards, was extremely barbaric, itself.

>>10637622
It's like unstoppable force vs unmovable object. But if we take into account the relevance, applicability, usability then overall Neumann probably wins. This is in no way saying Erdős wasn't a savant and a huge deal though. I'm just considering which would cause bigger misery to live without, so due to the importance of computation Neumann has the edge.

>>10638252
>implying he's wrong

>>10638252
It gets worse lol

The math community looked to him as a figurehead. He was expected to be the next Hilbert. At ICM 1954 he was invited to give a historical lecture on the list of unsolved problems to guide the development of mathematics for the second half of the 20th century. Everyone expected to hear a brilliant lecture about unsolved problems in mathematics and the advent of computers (something von Neumann had spent a lot of time on). The title of the talk was literally "Unsolved Problems in Mathematics: Address by Invitation of the Organizing Committee".

Instead von Neumann gave a lecture about rings of operators, a subject that he talked about 20 years earlier, and got laughed out of the auditorium. He probably spent too much time thinking about how to nuke the Soviets. Or maybe he just genuinely couldn't see mathematics from a higher perspective like Hilbert, and could only solve specific problems in specific fields.

>>10638252

> 'If you say why not bomb them tomorrow, I say why not today? If you say today at five o' clock, I say why not one o' clock?'

>>10642394
Worse how? Abstract autismathematics was just another diversion in his life among many others, he did that debacle you described just to spite the autists. Von Neumann used his brainpower to do something that actually had relevance outside the insular circlejerk of pure mathematics, and the fact that he did that despite unarguably being a master of pure mathematics generated a lot of envy from the autismathematician community toward him.

>>10637622
they both have SHIT TIER phenotypes, litteraly zika infected brainlets - which explains why they're mathcels.

>>10642494
Erdos was a mathcel, sure. Von Neumann? Hardly.

>>10642471

It's worse in the sense that he always considered himself a mathematician first and foremost regardless of what his fans in modern day (most of whom don't even understand any of his work) believe. His groupie are often a hybrid of autistic brainlet laymen and posers

Erdos cuz he’s a methhead

>>10638252

God he sounds so awesome, based Neumann,

>>10642394
>The math community looked to him as a figurehead. He was expected to be the next Hilbert.

I'm glad that he didn't encourage this disgusting behaviour.

you should leave this wholesome place...
erdős... erdős is sacred...

>>10643670
>Proofs from THE BOOK is a book of mathematical proofs by Martin Aigner and Günter M. Ziegler. The book is dedicated to the mathematician Paul Erdős, who often referred to "The Book" in which God keeps the most elegant proof of each mathematical theorem. During a lecture in 1985, Erdős said, "You don't have to believe in God, but you should believe in The Book."

>>10637622
You got a fat fetish or something?
>>10638233
Erdos is the math messiah

>>10643670
Are those any good?

>>10643761
Holy shit, this man was red pilled.

>>10643761
> To be considered a hack was to be a "Newton".
What did he mean by this? That to come around and systematize all the stuff currently going on is less impressive than inventing new fields from scratch?

>>10642961

Touché :)