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I really feel like math competitions harmed my life trajectory. I'm currently in a PhD program (although in a different field), so it didn't end up that badly, but it still makes me angry.
I finished high school at 17, and had finished Calc 1-3 (single variable, series-y stuff, and multivariable) + linear algebra and differential equations at a local community college by the time I graduated high school, and so if I had gone on to major in math, I could have taken an "Intro to Proofs" class first semester, then jumped into actual upper level theory classes from my second semester onwards. So overall it would have been a good trajectory.

Instead... I discovered math competitions. Looking at the IMO problems made me realize how vastly behind the best 18 yos in math I was, and that this difference was only likely to widen in undergrad, and that if I found the high school competition this hard, that I definitely wasn't in the ballpark of ability to be a good PhD student at a good school in math.

...so I bailed and went into a less technical field.
Now I'm making the effort of climbing the technical hill to do more quantitative stuff, and it makes me angry at how much I could have learned in college if I had just... majored in math instead of biology.
I feel like I did develop some valuable skills from contests, but overall the effect on my life was extremely negative.
Wasn't sure if I was the only one.

>> No.10629198

>>10629183
You were right though. You're a brainlet pseud impostor who should have killed himself back then. Everyone knows you publish a great work by 19 or it's not worth it. Total impossibility

>> No.10629228

>>10629183
You shouldn't worry about that. Most IMO students have trained years and years to get there, learning new theorems and practicing how to approach X type of problems. I know it because, even though I wasn't in the IMO team of my country, I was pretty close, and I was doing competitions since fucking 3rd grade.
It's not like it wasn't something you couldn't learn in 1 or 2 months or during your career. You are in less disadvantage than you think.
Math competitions do not create geniuses, they already were before them.

>> No.10629246

>>10629183
>over 12 y/o
>hasn't published in Nature yet
Never gonna make it

>> No.10629250

>>10629183
These people have been training for years and years in math competitions, and you joined late in the game. Thing is, if you have the natural ability (which is seems that you do), you can at least somewhat catch up. I was similar in CS instead of math (yeah, I know). I'd never done much coding before, but I had a natural ability and I'm already ahead of most people in my classes after a few semesters.

But there's not too much that you can do about it now, except maybe study math in your free time and try to get into mathematical biology if you can.

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10629270

>>10629198
This is 100% the correct answer.
Look at Andres for example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS5igkOvduo
See how fucking based he is? Andres is a chad, anon. If Andres doesn't make you feel the teensiest bit suicidal, glance over the rest of his videos.
Life isn't fair, anon.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjxxTcoPJ_s
I just think it's time to get realistic, anon.

>> No.10629449
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as a wise mathematician once surmised...

>> No.10629472

>>10629449
thanks, it's my wallpaper now

>> No.10629545

>>10629183
Lynch really fucked this one up didn't he

>> No.10629675

>>10629270
>>10629284
How is that even possible?
Which is more probable? Is this kid is the real deal? Or have his parents been staging these videos for years on end, forcing Andres to perform a unique script per video?
I am 99% completely convinced he's legit, but I refuse to believe he exists.

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>>10629675
You underestimate how fast kids can get stuff. This is why I support the /sci/ Education Reform™.

>> No.10629693

>>10629675
>but I refuse to believe he exists
To elaborate, a long time ago jacob barnett unironically put me on suicide watch, not kidding. I know how stupid it sounds, but I was hospitalized at my lowest point. My parents got me the help I needed, and I saw a therapist, and I've since made peace with my situation.
Or so I fucking thought, but why do I feel like I'm suddenly on the verge of a fucking panic attack. In my thoughts I feel numb/normal, but I just felt minutes ago like there was a wrench in my gut like the worst anxiety I've ever felt.
Is anyone /med/ here?

>> No.10629694

>>10629545

On the exact contrary, it always was a fine film, faithful to the source material.

Imagery from '84 Dune has been used regularly in internet memes for well over a decade. If it were really such a god-awful film, then its content wouldn't have been so lovingly and regularly plundered for nerd humor. People claim to hate '84 Dune because Dune is one of the top nerd books and people feel a need to sperg out over something.

>> No.10629716

>>10629693
Stop comparing yourself with exceptional people. Only when you do that you'll truly be in peace with yourself. That's what I did.

>> No.10629725

>>10629183

>Solving timed challenge questions means something regarding your future as an academic.

Not gonna make it.

>> No.10629729

>>10629675
Small kids learn extremely quickly, there's a decent chance that he is the real deal.
The problem isn't intelligence, it's the fact that he was raised doing this shit and therefore adapted immediately and learnt it really quickly.

>> No.10629732

>>10629693

You are probably exceptional at some other meaningless task, but because it's meaningless you never put your effort into it.
You're putting your effort into comparing yourself to exceptional people in arbitrary tasks you ascribe value to.
There are young kids who play the violin exceptionally well, does that make you suicidal too?
There is someone in the world with the actual most efficient nose picking technique, and it could be a child? Does that make you suicidal?

You are creating this sea you're drowning in.

>> No.10629772

Just compete against yourself, bro. You get rid of that nasty feeling of always wanting to be the very best like no one ever was. Competition is a thorny path with no happy end for the 99.9% of people who aren't prodigies.

>> No.10629788

>>10629732
Not him, but kids like this don't make me suicidal. In fact they impress me a lot, but I get huge anxiety knowing that I wasted my childhood doing meaningless shit on the internet and I'm wasting my adulthood doing the same shit.

>> No.10629813

>>10629788

I feel like those kinds of worries are instilled on us by others. There is no right unique way to live life. You can strive to do more meaningful things with your life if this is what you want, but if you want to spend your entire life playing videogames and living on your mother's basement, the idea that his is somehow wrong is just a societal thing.
Probably to the average zulu hunter all of us are living wrong because we can't kill a wild beast to feed our family.
Probably to the average innuit fisher we are all a bunch of pansies, or to the average monk we are all a bunch of hedonists. The more you look for people who think you are living your life wrong, the more you will find it.
I think the best you can do is just willingly remove yourself from that game and just live life whatever way you want, knowing there is no specifically correct way to do it.

>> No.10630202

>>10629813
Damn I did not expect to get such good advice on /sci/ of all places.